Thread: Wow, I am sorry but this is just really really really lame!

I have been doing the independent crafting thing for a while now.......and with so many restrictions lifted I finally was able to get my woodworker into the crafting guild.

I only have one main and my other three characters are low level alts strictly for crafting purposes and so far there has been no issues...until now!

My woodworker is only level 24 but I have never had any issues at all getting everything up to Black Ash logs on my own...I just make sure I never get too close to monsters and I am fine.

Well, I get all excited about heading into Eregion finally to start getting some Ilex and Mallorn and what happened just floored me.

For one......the monsters here are like picking up my character from the other side of the frickin map and aggro'ing on me so I basically have absolutely no chance of being able to get logs here.

And then I finally actually get to a log were nothing aggro'ed on me and it was taking forever and a day to cut it.

Is this actually working as intended?

I mean this is kind of a lame deceptive business practice if you ask me, your are put under the illusion that all the way up to Master you can do fine then all the sudden you try to get stuff for Supreme and you just get slapped in the face!

This is working as Turbine intends. This does not prevent you from continuing your craft, it only causes you to consider alternative resource acquisition methods.


Edit -- it appears a moderator moved this from general discussion to crafting. This is not a crafting issue and the move was inappropriate. It's a "your level is well beneath the level of the zone" issue.

Originally Posted by vVAnjilaVv

I have been doing the independent crafting thing for a while now.......and with so many restrictions lifted I finally was able to get my woodworker into the crafting guild.

I only have one main and my other three characters are low level alts strictly for crafting purposes and so far there has been no issues...until now!

My woodworker is only level 24 but I have never had any issues at all getting everything up to Black Ash logs on my own...I just make sure I never get too close to monsters and I am fine.

Well, I get all excited about heading into Eregion finally to start getting some Ilex and Mallorn and what happened just floored me.

For one......the monsters here are like picking up my character from the other side of the frickin map and aggro'ing on me so I basically have absolutely no chance of being able to get logs here.

And then I finally actually get to a log were nothing aggro'ed on me and it was taking forever and a day to cut it.

Is this actually working as intended?

I mean this is kind of a lame deceptive business practice if you ask me, your are put under the illusion that all the way up to Master you can do fine then all the sudden you try to get stuff for Supreme and you just get slapped in the face!

You're a level 24 in a level 45-50ish zone...why are you mad at turbine? Who ever gave "the illusion that all the way up to Master you can do fine then all the sudden..."....what made you think that?? It does suck for people who just like to craft, but you gotta level characters, too

.the monsters here are like picking up my character from the other side of the frickin map and aggro'ing on me so I basically have absolutely no chance of being able to get logs here.

When the area name goes red it means it's a Dangerous Area for you. In Dangerous Areas you agro things from a great distance. Had one of my material gathers surrounded and killed by deer in the Trollshaws once Annoying but funny in hindsight. Pun not intended

And then I finally actually get to a log were nothing aggro'ed on me and it was taking forever and a day to cut it.

Higher level tools will cut the time needed to harvest things. Catch is you need to be high enough of a level to use them.

Originally Posted by Ryuc

You're a level 24 in a level 45-50ish zone...why are you mad at turbine? Who ever gave "the illusion that all the way up to Master you can do fine then all the sudden..."....what made you think that?? It does suck for people who just like to craft, but you gotta level characters, too

I'm only playing one character as a main...and that's it, I refuse to get into the leveling a bazillion alt mayhem of MMO's......and it is an illusion because the monsters in places like Evendim and Misty Mountains were way over my Woodworkers level and they did not have any kind of expanded aggro range at all, it was normal just like every place else.

They knew well and good when they lifted all those crafting gates and all this other stuff people were going to be making just crafting alts that they wouldn't level...so it is a little bit deceptive IMO.....and annoying because you spend RL money to buy stuff like the Crafting Guild continuation and now I am going to be stuck at never being able to use Supreme or Westfold pattern pieces to level that faster.

I have no issues at all buying the stuff from the AH, but guess what......sometimes like right now....it's completely empty.

I have no issues at all using the forum server trade section to make trades....but guess what....no on ever responds.

I would have no issues doing skirmishes and handing the stuff to my alt that way, but you can't because it binds to character.

I wouldn't have even had an issue just dropping the independent crafting thing but I already invested a ton of time in it and it worked just fine to this point. Sorry....it's a blatant lead on.

The crafting set up is broken anyways if they will limit it like this. So okay I drop the whole alt crafting thing and just play my one character....who is a jeweller/prospector/cook.......and this concept of the game is broken too...because I have one profession that becomes worthless.......as there is no way for me to get the stuff to even use cooking.

It's broken...the game is so much made to be largely solo-able......so why aren't crafting setup's sensible.....you know and Armourer would have Weapon smith instead of Tailor, a Historian would get Cooking instead of Weaponsmith, a Woodsman getting Tailor instead of Farming.

It's just silly, forcing people to have to associate with each other or level alts to have proper resources is poor development.

Honestly they should have just left the crafting gates in and the rest of the restrictions instead of misleading people.

Wow.. maybe MMOs are not the right kind of game for you.

Evendim and MM weren't high *enough* to trigger this.

The increased aggro (and longened induction times for gathering) are meant to stop gold farmers. Low level farmers gathering mats and not caring when they died. And it's worked. They can't gather high level mats anymore.

The problem isn't with Turbine, it's with your choice of vocation for your main character. Explorer is the perfect vocation for someone like you, because you can gather essentially every resource in the game. With the forestry you can get the wood and with the prospecting you can get the ore. Hides are simply from animal mobs and scholar mats you can get from undead mobs. A little research goes a long way in picking out vocations with the kind of restrictions you put on your play style. Good luck and happy adventures!

Originally Posted by Sibannac

The problem isn't with Turbine, it's with your choice of vocation for your main character. Explorer is the perfect vocation for someone like you, because you can gather essentially every resource in the game. With the forestry you can get the wood and with the prospecting you can get the ore. Hides are simply from animal mobs and scholar mats you can get from undead mobs. A little research goes a long way in picking out vocations with the kind of restrictions you put on your play style. Good luck and happy adventures!

What does his choice of vocation have to do with his problem? As an explorer, he'd have the exactly same problem he has now - that he's too low level to gather the mats he needs to advance. BTW, scholar mats drop from every humanoid, not only undead.

As Nakiami said, it's an anti-goldseller mechanic. OP, you either have to level your char or gather tons of your lower level mats, sell them at the AH and buy higher level wood for the money you earn.

Originally Posted by Nakiami

Wow.. maybe MMOs are not the right kind of game for you.

Evendim and MM weren't high *enough* to trigger this.

The increased aggro (and longened induction times for gathering) are meant to stop gold farmers. Low level farmers gathering mats and not caring when they died. And it's worked. They can't gather high level mats anymore.

LOL...well I am an actual player not a gold farmer.

MMO's are not for me....why because I actually like stimulation?

I mean I have been down the path of making a bunch of alt's in the same game, I did it with DDO for like 4 years and I finally realized that you can only beat a dead horse so many time's and the novelty wears off.

I love when I only play one character. Everything in the game is basically always fresh......if I cap a toon...I will usually only stay with a game if the make more content or to help other people.

I realized a while ago that making alts and replaying the same game is just ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz..............

insanely brain cell killing due to no challenge.

My real issue here is not with the mechanics of the game and how this is working, it's that by removing all the crafting restrictions that they did they are leading people into believing they can go all the way with a non leveling alt and then abruptly halt their progress AFTER they have already invested a ton of time in it.

Honestly I think I am just gonna give up on the crafting thing period, because I am sure I will probably hit a bunch of other snags in the future that are hidden from me and it will just make me frustrated again.

I'll bet I probably won't even be able to keep using my alt farmer for my tinker's cooking supplies because I will have no way to get the Westfold farming recipes right?

So I will have only one crafter and it will only be 2/3 useful on top of it?

ok, so you say that everything that is in conflict with your way of playing this game is actually "broken".

Did you ever think that maybe it was intended that you need other players' products for some recipes or even one branch of your crafting skills ? Why do you think it was intended that low-level characters can actually gather wood or ore from regions which you would not normally do quests in ? To support playing alts for crafting ?

I would assume that crafting is meant to help your character with food, clothes, weapons, other nice things while you are roaming that region pursuing quests and such.

Well, you are obviously one mislead soul thinking that what you mention is all crab and "broken". Surely there are things to complain about crafting but this is about recipes or ingredients and such.

The aggro is as intended, it starts at a certain gap between your level and that of the region you are in. For the fellowship walk late last year, I escorted a level 8 toon to the Fort of Bruinen, and even the rabbits went after this one.

Wait until you gotta go into the latter parts of Moria or Lothlorien to find Mallorn. And Dunland for Birch.

Most people with low level crafting alts have high level characters who do all the harvesting for their lowbies. Or they just buy the materials off the AH/trade.