Thread: Faron Set Rotation?

Hi,

I consider myself pretty well geared- 2156 agil dps build (unbuffed), 1926 agil/6.6k morale raid build (unbuffed), first age 75 bow. I'm just looking to squeeze out more dps, particularly on Shadow T2.

My current rotation in general is:



Before combat:
[focus, improved fleetness, needful haste, focus, burn hot]

In combat:
Spam ips until out of focus, intent concentration, spam ips until out of focus, improved swift bow, barbed arrow, heart seeker, ips until empty, then either quick shot until ips is available or ISB is available.

When fleetness is almost up, I make sure to QS until 6 focus so I can use fleetness again, followed by a focus pot and more IPS/QS/ISB.

Sometimes ill replace an IPS with blood arrow.



As for the shadow boss, the first wave before adds I go endurance and spam quick shot. Then I go precision after the adds come and stay in precision on the following waves. The problematic part is that debuff that slows my inductions down

Any suggestions/critiques on faron set rotation or on Shadow T2?

Thanks!

Originally Posted by molgamic

Hi,

I consider myself pretty well geared- 2156 agil dps build (unbuffed), 1926 agil/6.6k morale raid build (unbuffed), first age 75 bow. I'm just looking to squeeze out more dps, particularly on Shadow T2.

My current rotation in general is:



Before combat:
[focus, improved fleetness, needful haste, focus, burn hot]

In combat:
Spam ips until out of focus, intent concentration, spam ips until out of focus, improved swift bow, barbed arrow, heart seeker, ips until empty, then either quick shot until ips is available or ISB is available.

When fleetness is almost up, I make sure to QS until 6 focus so I can use fleetness again, followed by a focus pot and more IPS/QS/ISB.

Sometimes ill replace an IPS with blood arrow.



As for the shadow boss, the first wave before adds I go endurance and spam quick shot. Then I go precision after the adds come and stay in precision on the following waves. The problematic part is that debuff that slows my inductions down

Any suggestions/critiques on faron set rotation or on Shadow T2?

Thanks!

I've been playing around with this exact thing lately in Shadow. One thing I will say that makes it a little more challenging in that one is you absolutely have to make sure you don't let IF run out and have no focus to hit it again and having to be moving around (makes PS spamming a bad habit of mine) it can be tough. In general I like to make sure I am keeping Blood Arrow and ISW on CD and hitting a Barbed Arrow in whatever I am DPSing first. Also I do try to make sure I don't hit ISW and then Needful Haste because its kind of a waste. In general when traiting 5B I try not to drain all my focus or ever overfill it (use a focus generating skill at max focus). This allows me to get an extra burst when I need it and make sure I have the focus to keep my big skills on CD whenever I need them to be (IF, NH, Blood Arrow). I've also found that it still hold that hitting and induction skill after PS or BA helps alleviate the clunky aftercast animations.

To be honest I personally am not convinced that Faron set is worth it and once i get my second piece of another set I am considering trying a 4/2 armor build with a 4R/3B trait setup. If they moved some traits from Red to Blue I would totally say 5B is king, but some of the blue traits are kinda sucky for single target DPS.

The Faron set would probably be considered a moors set. I believe it is better than the actual moors set tbh.
Raid-wise, I would suggest the debuffing set (the name escapes me) because it adds 2-3% dps to whole raid.
Can't speak for red set as I have never tried spamming BH in a raid setting before, but I would assume it is not worth it because the longer inductions will equal less dps in the long run.

Originally Posted by Jsufka

The Faron set would probably be considered a moors set. I believe it is better than the actual moors set tbh.
Raid-wise, I would suggest the debuffing set (the name escapes me) because it adds 2-3% dps to whole raid.
Can't speak for red set as I have never tried spamming BH in a raid setting before, but I would assume it is not worth it because the longer inductions will equal less dps in the long run.

As PvE hnt i went with the Faron set because i didn't know how the other one worked. Now i do, and if you go with the other set it's known that if you use oils it doesn't increase your damage, since oils go through tactical mitigation from the enemy.

As answer for the OP:
I just try to get max focus with QS+SB and then spam BlA and PS, with first priority on keeping Impr.Fleetness up, then NH, then BlA and then PS. Somewhere in between i keep Barbed Arrow.

The best rotation for Farron set is Pew-Pew-Pew-Pew-Pew-Pew

Forgive me if this is a stupid question, but isn't it better for sustained output to do something like barbed/ps/swift/pen OR blood/qs OR HS/ps ... repeat, and then working your way down to 0 focus, use focus pot or deep conc, fleetness again, repeat, use focus pot, etc? Or does this change a lot when you have a 5-piece Faron bonus so that it becomes much harder to run out of focus?

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Secondly, I have 2 questions that are roughly related to this thread, so I hope you'll forgive me for putting them up here.
Background: I read in another thread that a few people tested the faron and cudur and gonathradir (sp?) sets against each other, and that they were doing comparable dps in each of them, with the gonathradir giving a useful raid bonus.
Second, it seems that 5r is almost impossible to combine with doing AoE (mostly because of less focus generation, but also because traiting AS is a fairly 'costly' choice), whereas with 5b it is possible to choose between AoE and moderately-improved single-target damage.
Given that most power conservation traits are blue, it seems somewhat reasonable to infer that the devs expect blue hunters to run out of power more often than red ones.
I have roughly 1550icpr now, but before, when I had about 1100, I had fairly big problems with power management when using fleetness continuously (our kin is a tad light on LMs). I have not raided yet since upgrading, however, so I don't know how much of an issue this will be from now on.

1. Given that I am interested primarily in 6-man/raidcontent, where AoE tends to be largely useless, especially with the large AoE of RoA, to go for the faron set over cudur? And which red traits would you then recommend? Crit eye/swift bow dmg, or crit eye/barbed, swift bow/barbed (I have +50% leg)?
2. What are the power requirements like for 5r in combination with cudur? Do people find that it is possible to roughly keep going all the time without LM or cappy in your FS, with the mentioned 1550icpr? Or is BH still too costly for that?

One tip that will help your rotation greatly...

Don't

do

back

to

back

induction

shots.

After glacing through the above posts, I agree with others for ex. QS - PS - QS - PS >> PS - PS - QS - QS

There is a hicup when do you back to back inductions. So the above poster is correct.

Originally Posted by SCHawks73

One tip that will help your rotation greatly...

Don't do back to back induction shots.

After glacing through the above posts, I agree with others for ex. QS - PS - QS - PS >> PS - PS - QS - QS

That's the point, now blue traited hunters are so fashionable that many players do not give a try to the red line.
I use my hunter only on raids and instances, I don't play on ettens and I quite hate skirmish raids (I done many of them only for jewelry but I always get bored with them), so my hunter is focused primarly on single target with a 5 red line traits, draigoch set (I love 5 pieces bonus when a captain launch oathbreaker's shame) and legacies focused on that.

I find that many blue traited hunter are focused only on shooting as many PS as they can, and I think that it's a waste of good skills.
I think that a rotation between focus and induction skills grants good dps (I tried Draigoch raid with many blue hunters and I never found one of them that can take my aggro on Draigoch claws) and good results slowing down opponents, putting dots and give you the time to look at the fight and take the right decision.

Originally Posted by Waylen

There is a hicup when do you back to back inductions. So the above poster is correct.

What is it exactly?

Originally Posted by Ameliawen

What is it exactly?

There's a slight aftercast between induction skills, especially Barbed arrow. Using a fast skill such as PS or BlA tends to eliminate the aftercast allowing for a smoother and less choppy rotation.

Originally Posted by Grimred

That's the point, now blue traited hunters are so fashionable that many players do not give a try to the red line.
I use my hunter only on raids and instances, I don't play on ettens and I quite hate skirmish raids (I done many of them only for jewelry but I always get bored with them), so my hunter is focused primarly on single target with a 5 red line traits, draigoch set (I love 5 pieces bonus when a captain launch oathbreaker's shame) and legacies focused on that.

I find that many blue traited hunter are focused only on shooting as many PS as they can, and I think that it's a waste of good skills.
I think that a rotation between focus and induction skills grants good dps (I tried Draigoch raid with many blue hunters and I never found one of them that can take my aggro on Draigoch claws) and good results slowing down opponents, putting dots and give you the time to look at the fight and take the right decision.

I hope you are not assuming that I simply suggested indefinitely repeating PS - QS - PS - QS... I was only posting that as an example. Please see the 3rd post of the Hunter Parse thread to see a youtube of my rotation which includes PS, Blood Arrow, Barbed Arrow, Swift Bow, and Quick Shot...

I was mearly pointing out that doing back to back induction shots will cause a lag between when the animation of the first induction shot is finished, and when the induction of the 2nd induction shot starts, hence why I suggested not using back to back induction shots, with using QS and PS as an example, as those have the shortest CD's and you will most likely find youself in Single Target situations when all 3 Swift Bow, Blood Arrow and Barbed Arrow is on CD (or Barbed Arrow is still bleeded and not worth the reset over a QS and +focus on crit chance), leaving you with a few seconds of alternating QS and PS (as stated in my example above).

Hope I clarified that. As far as Blue hunters being the "fad", more or less, from what you said, I would like to also point out that I have been a "Blue" hunter as far back as Estledin... no fad here, just playing what I like.

Originally Posted by SCHawks73

I hope you are not assuming that I simply suggested indefinitely repeating PS - QS - PS - QS... I was only posting that as an example. Please see the 3rd post of the Hunter Parse thread to see a youtube of my rotation which includes PS, Blood Arrow, Barbed Arrow, Swift Bow, and Quick Shot...

SNIP

I was not referring to your way to play, everyone is free to play as they wish
Sadly I noticed that many new hunters simply ignore red line (like veterans in past ignore yellow line ), they read about how beautiful is the blue line (which is really good in some instances, like PVP or skirmish raids imho) and ignore everything else.

Originally Posted by Waylen

There is a hicup when do you back to back inductions. So the above poster is correct.

This hiccup used to be called Auto Attack but supposedly these now happen without noticing so I guess they introduced a different delay.

IPS is a fast skill and will start even if the animation of the previous skill is not done. For this reason I try to make sure I use IPS after every IQS, IWB and IMS that I use.

Originally Posted by SCHawks73

I hope you are not assuming that I simply suggested indefinitely repeating PS - QS - PS - QS... I was only posting that as an example. Please see the 3rd post of the Hunter Parse thread to see a youtube of my rotation which includes PS, Blood Arrow, Barbed Arrow, Swift Bow, and Quick Shot...

I was mearly pointing out that doing back to back induction shots will cause a lag between when the animation of the first induction shot is finished, and when the induction of the 2nd induction shot starts, hence why I suggested not using back to back induction shots, with using QS and PS as an example, as those have the shortest CD's and you will most likely find youself in Single Target situations when all 3 Swift Bow, Blood Arrow and Barbed Arrow is on CD (or Barbed Arrow is still bleeded and not worth the reset over a QS and +focus on crit chance), leaving you with a few seconds of alternating QS and PS (as stated in my example above).

Hope I clarified that. As far as Blue hunters being the "fad", more or less, from what you said, I would like to also point out that I have been a "Blue" hunter as far back as Estledin... no fad here, just playing what I like.

The saddest point for me is that in my current build, I can IQS/IPS/... for 1500-1600DPS. Kinda disheartening that using all your other skills only amounts to 100-300DPS depending on the parse.

I just got my 5th Faron piece yesterday, and oh is that set bonus worth it. It feels like focus is oozing out of my ears, in a good way. But back to topic, here is what I try do in order of priority. Mind you, this is purely for PvE, and feel free to suggest improvements.

1) Never cap on Focus. That means make sure you bleed off enough focus with PS BEFORE you reach the full nine. With the 4B traitline bonus, Deadly Precision, Precision Stance ticks and IFS ticks that focus meter can make quite the surprising jumps, therefore as a rule of thumb try to have six or less focus before you start any induction shot. Go even lower before ISB. Slightly adjust this rule only if an IFS renewal is coming up soon.

2) Avoid back to back inductions. Squeeze in at least one focus shot between two inductions to bridge the aftercast delay. Without the five piece Faron set bonus on occasion that was not possible, in particular when IFS was about to be renewed and the RNG gave you no crits. But now those problems should be a thing of the past. That is another great advantage of the bonus, the rotation feels much smoother now.
The aftercast delay after Barbed Arrow is particularly long. I noticed that even if I do a focus shot I still have a brief hiccup, so if possible I try to squeeze in two focus shots right after Barbed Arrow. That was noth feasible withot 5 piece Faron, but now it is.

3) Hit Blood Arrow on Cool Down. Hit Barbed Arrow immediately afterwards. Sadly I have found no better way to maximize my barbed arrow uptime yet. Helpful suggestions for a way to track the Barbed Arrow bleed (plugins?) are definitely welcome.

4) Hit ISB on cooldown.

5) Hit Needful Haste on Cooldown. If you have Barbed Arrow/ISB coming off cooldown, make sure you hit Needful Haste first, but only if that does not delay the big induction shots.

6) Forget that Merciless Shot and Heart Seeker exist. They provide single big numbers to show off with, but not good dps.

My best parse so far in Shadow T2 was 2,100 DPS before I died around 4 min 40 ish. Dropped just below 2k before the fight reset. I was traited 4r/3b. I've tried the Faron set, but I didn't like it. I haven't found it superior in any fight especially shadow where burst DPS on lights, roots, adds, and bubbles on boss is everything. The only situation or fight I could see Faron being viable in is Saruman, and even then.

Keep in mind as well that the above parse of me in lights, defilers, roots, and adds duty. Rarley on the boss where the marks are.

I am running around with the Faron set aswell as i like to be quick with the inductions and PS/BA with 2 focus cost makes it quite fast aswell.
I don't relaly have a set rotation for everything, depending on situation. But i usually start with NH, BH and IF before we start the fight ( shadow that is ). I start in endurance then do PS, IQS, PS, Barbed Arrow, PS, BA, IQS, SB, PS, Barbed then make sure i have SB and BA off cd for the light and ofc fleetness on (i keep like 3-4 focus then hit 1 IQS and i cna activate fleetness ). Then i swap to precision and stay in precision for the rest of the fight. My best parse was 2050 after 5mins 15s and 1850 when we killed it HM.

I have pretty decent gear. I mean FA bow, limlight agi set, faron set, draigoch earring, bracelet from lightning and the one from DG skirmishes. I only need the clasp for necklace and another ring cause i am using the rank 6 ettens set ( for the morale mostly ). If anyone has nay suggestions for a good ring i'd appreciate it .