Thread: Reached level 11 without ever being defeated, but I didn't get the title.

Hello there.

I was mildly amused when I reached level 5 and got "The Wary" title. I did a bit of reading and found out that you can get a few more titles up to level 20 if you keep increasing your level without dying.

Now, I didn't die at all. Not in combat, nor by means of falling off a cliff or drowning. I don't even know what happens when you actually get killed, or what do you have to do (retrieve your corpse or suffer a penalty? You get sent somewhere?).

And still, I did not get "The Undefeated" title.

Could this be a bug, or are there any other conditions to be fulfilled?

Thanks in advance.

Originally Posted by Farnham

I don't even know what happens when you actually get killed, or what do you have to do (retrieve your corpse or suffer a penalty? You get sent somewhere?).
Thanks in advance.

Don't know about where that pesky title went, but at least I can answer that question. When you are defeated, you have two choices, revive or retreat. Revive is self-explanatory; revives you in the same spot but triggers a cooldown that ranges from 30 minutes to 2 hours depending on your level, so you can't keep reviving. Retreat sends you to the nearest retreat point, which can be a considerable ways from where you are. Retreat points look like stone circles on the ground, you may have passed a few. Also, either of these options give you "dread" for 10 minutes. You may have had encounters with the nasty stuff before. It decreases your max morale by 5% each point and a few other stats. You can look it up on lotro-wiki. This dread debuff can only be removed by minstrels. You can counter it by using a hope token (Edhelarn Token) though.

Alternatively, you can have a lvl 20+ Minstrel, lvl 20+ Captain, lvl 20+ RK, or lvl 32+ Loremaster revive or 'rez' you. This type of revive does not trigger a cooldown (except on the class that revives you) or give you dread, but all but a high level minstrel rez and the captain rezzes work only outside of combat.

Hope this helped!
Cerridan of Firefoot.

Edit: Also, your armor takes damage if you die due to monsters.

There are 5 undefeated titles

level 5
level 10
level 14
level 17
level 20

A Dying event will trigger a text box in the middle of the screen "You have been defeated Revive or Retreat"
Explanation see above post

Usually upon a death, by whatever means, the screen will also go grey and your character will appear to be in a kneeling position, unable to move. Thats when the death text box comes up

Originally Posted by Farnham

Could this be a bug, or are there any other conditions to be fulfilled?

IIRC the game will view certain actions as an attempt to cheat death (like loging off in the middle of a combat) and count the character as having died.

Also I don't know if being defeated in a spar counts as having died.

I would check your title page to make sure you did not get the second title and just missed the notification since you receive it at 10 not 11. If it turns out you do not the title and you have not died you could attempt to submit a ticket to the GMs(they have been very helpful to some of my low level Characters when silly glitchy stuff has happened).

To submit a ticket bring up the little box where you can go into option, log out, etc (by pressing esc or the appropriate button on your UI) and click the Help button there. Along the bottom of the box that comes up will be a submit ticket button or something like that, click it and fill out the form to the best of your abilities, if a GM is able to help you they will message you(and sometimes when they can't they will message you).

Hopefully that helped and good luck getting to that Coveted title at lvl 20.

Thank you very much for the helpful responses.

I can confirm I did not die at all, and I don't remember logging off in combat either. I also did not "spar" with any other players, or got smacked by a training dummy, or fall off a ledge/cliff. I did not drown, etc etc XD

I checked my profile page here and, while I can see the "The Wary" notification and title, there's no "The Undefeated" title.

I'll upgrade to VIP shortly and submit a ticket ASAP.

Thanks for your help!

Originally Posted by Bewulf_SF

IIRC the game will view certain actions as an attempt to cheat death (like loging off in the middle of a combat) and count the character as having died.

Also I don't know if being defeated in a spar counts as having died.

You don't automatically get defeated. When you log out you are still subject to the ~25 sec logout timer. If you get disconnected it may take longer since the server has to recognize that the client is disconnected. In either case, even if you aren't in combat a mob could come by and aggro on you. Without being able to defend yourself you could get defeated before being logged off. You'll know if it happened if you log back in and find yourself in a rally circle.

And yes, if you are defeated in a spar you are still defeated and are no longer eligible for the title. It does not matter how you are defeated (combat, spar, misadventure, etc), once it happens you can no longer earn the undefeated titles.

Originally Posted by Farnham

Thank you very much for the helpful responses.
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I'll upgrade to VIP shortly and submit a ticket ASAP.

While VIP is something most players should do at one point or another, this isnt something support will help you with. Sorry, your only option to acquire the title is to delete and reroll.

Don't know if this could be your problem but I once "died" at almost level 20 and thought that I could use my revive and still get the undefeated title. No such luck, I still did not get the title.

Originally Posted by Mandragaron

Don't know if this could be your problem but I once "died" at almost level 20 and thought that I could use my revive and still get the undefeated title. No such luck, I still did not get the title.

Actually, it's not. I rolled a Guardian, never tackled more than two or three enemies at once, and so I never ever got below 75% Health for any reason at all, nor I was "revived" or died in any way whatsoever.

Originally Posted by Penter-Kar

And yes, if you are defeated in a spar you are still defeated and are no longer eligible for the title. It does not matter how you are defeated (combat, spar, misadventure, etc), once it happens you can no longer earn the undefeated titles.

Also, as I mentioned, I did not spar either. No duels at all with any player. Nothing.

About logging off in combat, I am positive I didn't do it. I am very careful to log off from a safe position, and in either case I never saw what happens when you actually die.

I am quite, quite sure I should have the title.

Still, no big deal. I'll try to contact Support, but it's nothing crippling. Just a bit annoying :P

Thanks for your help.

Originally Posted by Farnham

I am quite, quite sure I should have the title.

Still, no big deal. I'll try to contact Support, but it's nothing crippling. Just a bit annoying :P

Thanks for your help.

You can also wait till 14 to see if you get 14's title. If so then the lvl 10 one must be glitched for you but if you don't get the 14th either then somehow you lost it (bugged?).

If the title is really something you want, and by 14 you're not getting it, you're still low enough level to re-roll and try fresh.

I can confirm that submitting a ticket and speaking to a GM will not get you the lost undefeated title on your level 11 character. I know this because a similar situation happened to me but I had just reached level 17 without getting the title for not dying at that point. I submitted a ticket but all I got from the GM was that it some rare cases the game can be fooled into thinking that you have died even if you haven't. It is a bug but very hard to track down because you would have to be able to identify the exact moment of game play that caused the error.

But I was also told that the most likely scenario that caused my death without me being aware of it was probably just after i logged and was attacked and defeated before the game actually logged me out. The only issue I have with this is that I don't remember ever logging back in and being at a rez point (all defeats take you there if you choose not to be or cannot be revived). But since I wasn't absolutely sure about this I had to concede the matter and accept the fact that I would never have the undying title on that particular character unless i rerolled. I decided not to reroll since I had already achieved that title on several other alts.

Hope this helps

Welden

I just logged in for some Middle-Earth goodness, and...guess what? The title just popped up immediately after logging in.

Just like that, at level 11.

Maybe it's a bug, or maybe you have to log off for some titles to register.

Well, the thing is that now the title is there, and yesterday it wasn't.

Thanks a lot to all that tried to help!

Originally Posted by Llandor

Also, either of these options give you "dread" for 10 minutes. You may have had encounters with the nasty stuff before. It decreases your max morale by 5% each point and a few other stats. You can look it up on lotro-wiki. This dread debuff can only be removed by minstrels. You can counter it by using a hope token (Edhelarn Token) though.

Other means to remove the dread defeat penalty are
A) A perk purchasable with Destiny Points (applies to VIPs only)
B) The "Remove Dread Penalty" item from the Lotro Store, which also rarely drops in-game.