Thread: Update 6: Commendations Developer Diary

Originally Posted by DanteIL

Ah, okay -- doing this as part of a group/tribe really would make a difference, I guess. As I said, though, I'm completely new to the Moors and don't have that option, though.

Don't listen to him.

Ranking from 0-4 is 5,750 points. And the cost of the R0-R4 skills is OVER 9000 commendations (depends on the class).
You wont get that from "PvEing a couple hours".

Originally Posted by strangebaggins3

By the time a new creep can buy his first R0 skill, he will have ranked a couple times. He will be mid R7 before he has 'caught up' with the available skills, IF he buys nothing else (Audacity, consumables, skins).

See the problem yet?

I see the problem. It's pretty obvious that Turbine wants to funnel creeps into the LOTRO Store, even if that means keeping the pace of new character advancement as slow as possible to a point where a player might get frustrated and finally say "Oh, what the hay. I'll go spend some monies in dat dere Turbine Store."

That is the one and only reason for the way advancement is currently set up on creepside. You can do it all if you want through your own efforts, but it'll just take a long time. Or... If you just want to open up your wallet, look what we have for you right here: EVERYTHING!!

LOTRO is a business first and a player's game second.

I am horribly disappointed of the moors current pve grind for comms (it's okish for inf so lowbies can rank somehow) and even more disappointed by the lack of Turbine communication about the subject.

Come on Kelson speak to us, be not afraid.

Originally Posted by Beleg-Of-Doriath

Come on Kelson speak to us, be not afraid.

What do you want him to say exactly? Would you believe it ?

Seriously, biggest problem with commendations right now is creep skills. None of them below rank 8 should cost more than 500 comms... and if they do, it's pretty obvious what the moors is being turned into: a money dump. As it is right now, it's impossible for new creeps to get skills besides paying to win with the turbine store...

EDIT: better yet, make all creep skills cost silver to buy, like freep skills... or bring back the DoF currency.

Originally Posted by Spacmanbobr

Seriously, biggest problem with commendations right now is creep skills. None of them below rank 8 should cost more than 500 comms... and if they do, it's pretty obvious what the moors is being turned into: a money dump. As it is right now, it's impossible for new creeps to get skills besides paying to win with the turbine store...

It’s a VIP zone and most of the creep side skills are purchasable in the store.

It’s not being turned into a money dump, it was and is one.

How’s your stock pile of DP BTW? You know those buffs you get with them can be purchased in the store too. I know, it’s a shocker

Originally Posted by Thorgrum

What do you want him to say exactly? Would you believe it ?

That Commendation costs for creep skills/audacity will be lowered/scaled accordingly in the next patch. I wouldn't have a reason to doubt him if he said that.

This really isn't a big issue. The costs just need lowering/scaling, by alot in some cases. I'm amazed we haven't had a single word on this in weeks when it is such a simple thing to do.

I get the impression Turbine is hoping this will go away if they ignore it long enough. Sadly they are probably right.

BUT...

If we don't get some time of reply I'll probably try to convince a friend of mine (an ex kinmate who left when it started trending this way with Relic Removal Scrolls in the store) who works for a certain game review site to write an article on the topic. I'll probably stop recommending the game to my friends and maybe even start making social media posts about how I am unhappy with the situation.

*shrugs* that's just how I feel about it of course. Convince me to change my mind Turbine!

So I finally head to the Moors, and just got one thing to say..who came up with this! Really Turbine...
You earn about 20-30 commendations per quest..quests that has a 21H cool down, even I don't hate creeps that much lol.
Then it takes 2000 commendations just for rank 1 stuff..are you kidding me and top of all this, ya remove DP from game...turbine ya really fail with this one.

Is there any word on what is going to be replacing Destiny Points? My stockpile won't last forever!

Originally Posted by Ceremony

So I finally head to the Moors, and just got one thing to say..who came up with this! Really Turbine...
You earn about 20-30 commendations per quest..quests that has a 21H cool down, even I don't hate creeps that much lol.
Then it takes 2000 commendations just for rank 1 stuff..are you kidding me and top of all this, ya remove DP from game...turbine ya really fail with this one.

Do the math on how much PVE grind you need as a new player, in order to obtain 1 skill, 1 corruption, 1 audacity and 1 cosmetic skin.

Originally Posted by dietlbomb

Is there any word on what is going to be replacing Destiny Points? My stockpile won't last forever!

Look in the Store,there is already...

On the Subject of Turbine beeing pretty stupid and making r1 skills and corruptions cost so much... Well,guys lets be honest...you all know why they do this dont you ?

If not,il help : So you buy the skills etc from the Store ! They wont change the cost,not on lowrank stuff,and not on Skins that cost more then an actual armor Piece for Freeps... Sooner or later you will see new Creep Skins in the Store too,wich i dont mind,but it shows what Turbine is going to do with the moors.

Originally Posted by Cillion

it shows what Turbine is going to do with the moors.

Originally Posted by strangebaggins3

i hate to think it, but gone are the days of a kinship 'moors night' fun event with audacity as it is. Casual play in the moors is ruined by the latest changes.

And still not a single bit of feedback from turbine

you know this is a realy huge issue...my kin nolonger comes out for pvp night..

Originally Posted by Ceremony

So I finally head to the Moors, and just got one thing to say..who came up with this! Really Turbine...
You earn about 20-30 commendations per quest..quests that has a 21H cool down, even I don't hate creeps that much lol.
Then it takes 2000 commendations just for rank 1 stuff..are you kidding me and top of all this, ya remove DP from game...turbine ya really fail with this one.

The Moors are a PvMP zone mostly, you can do easy 1k/day only killing creeps.
If you want to farm comms doing PvE you should do it questing with 2 or 3 creeps in the same acount your freep is, but doing it killing creeps or freeps is easier and funnier.

Originally Posted by TiNdA-LoS

The Moors are a PvMP zone mostly, you can do easy 1k/day only killing creeps.
If you want to farm comms doing PvE you should do it questing with 2 or 3 creeps in the same acount your freep is, but doing it killing creeps or freeps is easier and funnier.

Sure 1k / day if you are DPS class freep playing for a good few hours. Lol good luck if you are a creep or say a captain who has to work for a living.

Sadly I continue to be unsurprised by Turbines lack of comments, since clearly there is no planned replacement to Destiny at this time, so no customer service for VIPs that have lost a benefit of subscription but hey, the store is there for you guys!

Originally Posted by aardnebby

Sure 1k / day if you are DPS class freep playing for a good few hours. Lol good luck if you are a creep or say a captain who has to work for a living.

Sadly I continue to be unsurprised by Turbines lack of comments, since clearly there is no planned replacement to Destiny at this time, so no customer service for VIPs that have lost a benefit of subscription but hey, the store is there for you guys!

Yea agree completely absolute nightmare to earn commendations on defiler.

Originally Posted by aardnebby

Sure 1k / day if you are DPS class freep playing for a good few hours. Lol good luck if you are a creep or say a captain who has to work for a living.

Sadly I continue to be unsurprised by Turbines lack of comments, since clearly there is no planned replacement to Destiny at this time, so no customer service for VIPs that have lost a benefit of subscription but hey, the store is there for you guys!

Turbine don't post on here, but the GMs do. I suspect they will only post developers diaries and stuff as they spend enough time working on the game as it is, and probably don't want to get involved in a slanging match with people on forums who haven't got a clue about whats happening and the work thats being put in. BTW, like the new drops after the update, my warleader looks uglier than I do.

Regarding my 'couple of hours' comment we checked last night without major quests we were each hitting 1k comms an hour, so it probably was a bit of an exageration.

Originally Posted by Gutterat

Turbine don't post on here, but the GMs do. I suspect they will only post developers diaries and stuff as they spend enough time working on the game as it is, and probably don't want to get involved in a slanging match with people on forums who haven't got a clue about whats happening and the work thats being put in. BTW, like the new drops after the update, my warleader looks uglier than I do.

Some turbine devs DO post here, eg jwbarry posted a while ago about the ost dunhoth steed. Turbine stated they were trying to improve communications some time back, yet they refuse to respond to player concerns in this thread.

Honestly pvp currency is a secondary issue to me, my big complaint is still that they have removed destiny point acquisition (and the ability to spend destiny is a VIP feature which is one of the reasons to pay for VIP) without replacing it with any equivalent except sending us off to the Turbine store, which frankly is saying "VIPs aren't paying enough, we need to drive them to the store to spend more!" from my perspective.

Turbine devs may post in the forum but it seems like they are ignoring this thread. As been pointed out repeatedly, the commendation cost for creeps to buy skills and traits in addition to audacity is excessive.

They should charge coin for skills and traits and leave commendations for audacity and their special consumables.

I wanted to take a closer examination of the implications of this statement from the Developer Diary:

Originally Posted by Developer Diary

Q. Are these values set in stone?
Absolutely not. These are the initial values and they will likely go through a series of changes as we enter the testing phase.

A prime example: Ensuring that at cap a Creep can purchase all skills, racial traits, and corruptions available at their current rank.

At the Commendation Cap [of 10K Commendations], then, a Creep is expected to be able to purchase all skills, traits, and corruptions at their current Rank. So, let's consider the commendation costs of skills, traits, and corruptions available at the earliest ranks. I am going to use the Weaver as an example, since that is the creep that I have recently started playing:

Given at R0 (for free!):

Skill: Snaring Web
Skill: Entangling Web
Skill: Trapdoor Sanctuary
Skill: Piercing Attack
Skill: Tainted Kiss
Skill: Lethal Kiss
Skill: Hatchlings

Trait: Damage for Health
Passive: Audacity, R1


Rank 1 - Total cost of skills, etc: 13000 commendations (3K beyond cap)

Skill: Latent Poison - 2000 commendations
Trait: Regneration - 1500 commendations
Trait: Health Boost - 1500 commendations
Trait: Enhanced Skill, Piercing Attack: 1500 commendations
Trait: Armour Boost - 1500 commendations
Corruption: Critical Protection Boost: 1000 commendations
Corruption: Mastery Boost: 1000 commendations
Corruption: Physical Mitigation Boost: 1000 commendations
Corruption: Resistance Boost: 1000 commendations
Corruption: Tactical Mitigation Boost: 1000 commendations

NOTE: I'm NOT going to include the following corruptions in these calculations, because these involve tradeoffs with existing stats and you wouldn't necessary want or need all of them. By leaving these out, I'm underestimating commendations costs:
Corruption: Power for Damage: 1000 commendations/rank
Corruption: Power for Health: 1000 commendations/rank
Corruption: Damage for Health: 1000 commendations/rank
Corruption: Damage for Power: 1000 commendations/rank
Corruption: Health for Power: 1000 commendations/rank
Corruption: Health for Damage: 1000 commendations/rank

Rank 2 - Total cost of skills, etc.: 10000 commendations (= cap)

Skill: Poison Spray: 2000 commendations
Trait: Swift Weave: 1500 commendations
Trait: Enhanced Skill, Tainted Kiss: 1500 commendations
Corruption: Critical Protection Boost: 1000 commendations*
Corruption: Mastery Boost: 1000 commendations*
Corruption: Physical Mitigation Boost: 1000 commendations*
Corruption: Resistance Boost: 1000 commendations*
Corruption: Tactical Mitigation Boost: 1000 commendations*
* note, the next two levels of these become available at R2, but I am going to assume that you only take the first one available.

Rank 3 - Total costs of skills, etc: 9000 commendations (1K under cap)

Skill: Smothering Web: 2000 commendations
Skill: Venomous Haze: 2000 commendations
Corruption: Critical Protection Boost: 1000 commendations*
Corruption: Mastery Boost: 1000 commendations*
Corruption: Physical Mitigation Boost: 1000 commendations*
Corruption: Resistance Boost: 1000 commendations*
Corruption: Tactical Mitigation Boost: 1000 commendations*
* note, the next two levels of these become available at R3, but I am going to assume that you only take the next one available.

Rank 4 - Total costs of skills, etc.: 8500 commendations (1.5K under cap)

Skill: Toxin: 2000 commendations
Trait: Steelweave Webs: 1500 commendations
Corruption: Critical Protection Boost: 1000 commendations*
Corruption: Mastery Boost: 1000 commendations*
Corruption: Physical Mitigation Boost: 1000 commendations*
Corruption: Resistance Boost: 1000 commendations*
Corruption: Tactical Mitigation Boost: 1000 commendations*
* note, the final level of these become available at R4, although in effect we are still 'behind' two levels. Even so, I am going to assume that you only take the next one available.


TOTAL costs of skills etc., Ranks 1-4: 40,500 commendations.

So, on this reckoning, this does work out to approximately 10,000 commendation cost per Rank. The Developer Diary is technically correct (although note that I made some assumptions in favor of that happening).

This surprised me, to be honest, because my Weaver is sitting at Rank 4 and I have been struggling to acquire enough commendations to purchase even the R1 skills. These calculations don't include Audacity, obviously, and I did spend 6K on the next rank of Audacity, which may have been a mistake (I still die very quickly, of course). The problem, as has been pointed out many times, is that low-level creeps rank up through early ranks much faster than the rate at which they acquire commendations to purchase these early skills. I believe these calculations make it clear that the costs of the Rank 1 skills, at the very least, need to be lowered, given that there are 13000 commendations-worth of skills at that rank and practically zero chance for a brand-new R0 and R1 creep to "cap" out commendations at those ranks (not including hand-me-down commendations from freeps or higher-ranked creeps on the same account). Also, the burden of the commendation costs is greatest at the lower ranks because at higher ranks the rate of new skills etc. becoming available slows down. So, while I think that the logic of the Developer Diary's goals is sound in principle, in actual practice it doesn't work out this way.

Originally Posted by Gutterat

I suspect they will only post developers diaries and stuff as they spend enough time working on the game as it is, and probably don't want to get involved in a slanging match with people on forums who haven't got a clue about whats happening and the work thats being put in.

Radiance. We told them it wouldn't work in beta. They put it in anyway. Then, nearly two years later they realize that we were right and remove it.

Yeah, we don't have a clue about what's happening.

Q: As a rank 1 spider, how long does it take you to earn the rank 1 skills, just one corruption to get your morale up so that you can survive for longer than 2 seconds, the cosmetic skin for rank 1, and one rank of audacity.

A: Long enough for you to reach rank 2 which means you need to earn more commendations to get your rank 2 skills, another corruption, the cosmetic skin for rank 2 and a rank of audacity.

It gets even worse if a player wants to play another class for diversity!

In most realistic scenarios, a low-rank creep player will earn 1 to 10 commendations for each freep which is killed by someone else if they've hit it, (a low rank creep has NO CHANCE of killing a freep by themselves), and chances are that the new creep player is always the first one to be targeted, due to lower morale, and lower mitigation than ranked creeps.

A rank 1 Reaver will die on 2 hits (within 2 seconds), if there is a call to fate from a minstrel, and epic conclusion from a rune-keeper.

In other words, to earn roughly 8000 commendations (6000 for Audacity and 2000 for a skill) it takes them a considerable amount of time, effort, frustration and headache. And that is why many players leave PVP after having already had such a bad experience.

Most players want an experience which they can enjoy, and play for fun.

Unfortunately Turbine made it impossible for the casual player to have fun in Ettenmoors due to the commendation requirement. And this could easily be solved by decreasing the cost for audacity, skills and corruptions, or even give them for free.

If you were to run a simple poll amongst your players Turbine, then you would see the result of how un/happy we are with your implementation of commendations. If you can run polls and votes for cosmetic clothing over and over, then you should technically be able to put up polls and votes for the PVP community too.

So go on, I challenge you Turbine, to run a poll for the popularity of commendations and if it should be changed or not; Dare to let your game be powered by your fans.

So I have a question for Creeps here: How long do you think it takes you to level up your creep to the point where you can do well 1 on 1? I ask because I see people here complaining about the time it takes to level up their creep with commendations but I know that I spent quite a bit of time on my champ leveling him plus getting Relentless Armor and good jewelry (which includes levelling my jewelry profession and guild so I could get the Great River stuff plus getting Kindred with Limlight and running RoF for the eggs). So getting my champ to the point where he could hold his own 1 on 1 was a lot of work and if I had just taken him out at 75 I wouldn't have expected to do well. So I wouldn't expect you to just be able to make a creep at 75 and beat anyone. I would hope it would take creeps some time to become good and really as long as it takes freeps to become good.

This is not to mention that it seems pretty easy to create some wargs, make a warg pack and go out and take freeps down. Or really any group. I run into a ton of 2 or 3 creep groups on the moors cause I like to play solo a lot of the time and I die a lot but it's still more fun than constantly running around in a group.

So yeah do you think it takes you longer on your creep to become good than on a freep? If so then yes there's an issue.

Originally Posted by avengingbananaslug

So I have a question for Creeps here: How long do you think it takes you to level up your creep to the point where you can do well 1 on 1? I ask because I see people here complaining about the time it takes to level up their creep with commendations but I know that I spent quite a bit of time on my champ leveling him plus getting Relentless Armor and good jewelry (which includes levelling my jewelry profession and guild so I could get the Great River stuff plus getting Kindred with Limlight and running RoF for the eggs). So getting my champ to the point where he could hold his own 1 on 1 was a lot of work and if I had just taken him out at 75 I wouldn't have expected to do well. So I wouldn't expect you to just be able to make a creep at 75 and beat anyone. I would hope it would take creeps some time to become good and really as long as it takes freeps to become good.

This is not to mention that it seems pretty easy to create some wargs, make a warg pack and go out and take freeps down. Or really any group. I run into a ton of 2 or 3 creep groups on the moors cause I like to play solo a lot of the time and I die a lot but it's still more fun than constantly running around in a group.

So yeah do you think it takes you longer on your creep to become good than on a freep? If so then yes there's an issue.

Firstly, you talk about being able to "do well 1 on 1" and somehow that is equivalent to "become good". Secondly, the levelling systems are completely different. Creeps must enter a PvMP zone to level, freeps don't. Luckily, this is no where as bad as it used to be, where creeps had to defeat freeps to level.

But most importantly, what you are asking for varies by class played, class fought, TP spent, who instigates and skill levels involved. A well played minstrel is nigh-on unstoppable in a 1v1. A poorly played minstrel can probably be beaten by a well played r0 warg.

Seeing as you talk about a champ, I'd say that on my BA, I'm still not able to beat a champ in a 1v1. This is a rank10 BA, I don't know how to quantify that any more. In terms of other classes, assuming they don't run away/hide, I can usually beat a hunter. Wardens and guards wear me down, rune keepers and minstrels can usually outheal my damage, champ destroy me, burgs usually CC me to death and LMs can avoid enough of my damage (wound removal) that I usually will die first.

This is all against people who know what they're doing, have their cool downs available, want to actually win the fight and are geared well for PvMP. Take away some of those conditions and things get easier for me.

I think Commendations works well for freep but for creep prices are insane....

What if creeps got commendation token when they get their battlefield promotion, this token will grant you 10k-ish commendations ... Ah.. No btw... that would be abused but something like that maby?
If Turbine is going to keep the cost of creep skills, traits and cosmetics I think creeps should have some advantege of getting commendations... Darn it, that will get abused too... -_- Well lower the commendation prices for creeps!!!

BTW, I am mainly freep.

Why do creeps need to buy their skills with commendations when freeps just give some gold for it? Why can't creeps pay gold for their skills? And earn traits for deeds? Would it be so hard? would that ruin EM balance?
It won't ruin lotro store iether because you TP-buy skills you can't get your hands on yet.

Originally Posted by lutemaster

Unfortunately Turbine made it impossible for the casual player to have fun in Ettenmoors due to the commendation requirement. And this could easily be solved by decreasing the cost for audacity, skills and corruptions, or even give them for free.

If you were to run a simple poll amongst your players Turbine, then you would see the result of how un/happy we are with your implementation of commendations. If you can run polls and votes for cosmetic clothing over and over, then you should technically be able to put up polls and votes for the PVP community too.

So go on, I challenge you Turbine, to run a poll for the popularity of commendations and if it should be changed or not; Dare to let your game be powered by your fans.

Quoted for Truth.

The destiny points system worked fine and didn't need to be changed. It was perfectly balanced and every player could get their skills in a reasonable time by doing quests. Now the balance has shifted towards making PVP players grind weeks for their skills and they can't even save up their extra commendations for future ranks due to a commendation cap. Why the restrictions? we never had restrictions before.

I have been a monster player 5 years. That is 5 years of subs as Monster Play was VIP until recently. This commendation system seems to be a way of forcing monster players to use the store to buy skills. That is completely wrong given VIP monster players have been enjoying a destiny points system for 5 years and we had to pay a monthly sub for monster play when all other content was free2play. We shoulden't have to be forced too pay extra when we already have payed extra through our subs. There was very little grind for destiny and i don't see why after so many years that we should be forced into a commendation system that is a massive grindfest. EVERYONE hates commendations and it should be removed.

As a person who has recently rolled a creep, the only reasonable solution I've found was to earn commendations on my main and use it to boost the creep. Of course, I have tried playing creep-wise, but PVE is not what I was looking for, and PVP is just too inefficient. I can't solo a freep, and earning like 10 commendations per the rare kills I can get in an open field fight are a joke. Instead, I will just log on my champ and earn 50-70 comms per kill at a much faster rate. Anyway, I am still terribly "undergeared" as a creep, i.e. lacking many skills and traits that I'm supposed to have at my rank. And with r1 audacity.

I've also seen a lot of people create alts, do the deeds, and then delete them. But it's rather sad; that's what's ruining the PVP environment. Isn't it pathetic when vets are not taking part in the fight, but doing PVE on a r0 to earn their audacity?

Originally Posted by Otdanon

Anyway, I am still terribly "undergeared" as a creep, i.e. lacking many skills and traits that I'm supposed to have at my rank. And with r1 audacity.

I've also seen a lot of people create alts, do the deeds, and then delete them. But it's rather sad; that's what's ruining the PVP environment. Isn't it pathetic when vets are not taking part in the fight, but doing PVE on a r0 to earn their audacity?

Welcome to creepside maggot. And stop whining! If you can't hack it, keep to your OP freep. Most freeps give up creepside within 2 days of trying it out cos they just can't deal with the challenge.

Seriously though, if you need to advance creepside, you need to work at it. 1) join an ACTIVE tribe. 2) PVE a couple of hours then PvP as a group. (unless you are all wargs this can be difficult - if you're not you have to carefully select your targets and make sure you don't stray far from NPC protection). 3) Don't even think about soloing until you're at least rank 4, then you need to select your targets - squidgies like LMs or Hunters. Join as many raids as you can, you can normally kick about 1000 inf in an evening.

I've heard the phrase 'this (whatever) is killing PvP in the moors' for years, wierd its still going...

I have to say, I feel VERY MUCH RIPPED OFF after my Luminescent Stones were turned into a trival pittance worth of commendations. I had been saving those stones for my R5 racial trait for my Creep. The commendations I received were pathetic compared to the new costs of traits.

It's also completely pointless to enter the Delving of Fror now, creepside.

And no thanks for taking away our commendations from Hoarhollow NPCs. You COULD have added commendations to mobs in Grothum for Freepside Parity. But then again, if the developers cared about parity, we'd have a REAL PVP system instead of this horsepucky PvMP system.

Originally Posted by Moefaux

I have to say, I feel VERY MUCH RIPPED OFF

Same here, and thats why I've stopped paying Turbine money.

Originally Posted by Moefaux

But then again, if the developers cared about parity, we'd have a REAL PVP system instead of this horsepucky PvMP system.

I had an amazingly pleasant experience with proper PvP during the weekend, but it wasn't in LOTRO.

Originally Posted by Moefaux

I have to say, I feel VERY MUCH RIPPED OFF after my Luminescent Stones were turned into a trival pittance worth of commendations. I had been saving those stones for my R5 racial trait for my Creep. The commendations I received were pathetic compared to the new costs of traits.

It's also completely pointless to enter the Delving of Fror now, creepside.

Understandable feelings. I don't think they handled the conversion very well personally. And especially for those that have limited playtime and have built themselves up over the years, it really puts a hammer on them. I'm not a sterlilng example of PvMP prowess by any means, but I'm still only at 2 audacity on my freep, and most of the way to 3, just due to limited playtime. I've still got a long ways to go.

But then again, if the developers cared about parity, we'd have a REAL PVP system instead of this horsepucky PvMP system.

Here's where you (and others) totally lose your argument though. Lotro is NOT a PvP game, never has been and never will be. If you're playing Lotro solely for PvP then you're playing the wrong game! And I don't understand why some don't seem to get this. PvMP was never a major focus of the game- it was a small game within the game added at the late stages of development. It was never meant to be a major focus of the game and it never will be, and to expect otherwise is just silly.

This is a PvE based game, that's its focus. Always has been, always will be. If you're solely desiring PvP, then Lotro was never the real place for you anyways.

I cam across 6 Chieftain brooches, 6 Chrests, 1 Brilliant Spirit stone and 3 luminous stones in my vault so thought i take em out and put them in my bag to barter, they went into my barter wallet instead.

Send a bug report and the next day everything was gone ! ? ? my commendations where still not so i could barter a piece or something (looked like i had 10 extra comms)

So what the heck! This is 150 gold worth on stuff put into 10 commendations ??? Thats not worth anything so Thanks Turbine, not a good move !

Originally Posted by Witalik

I cam across 6 Chieftain brooches, 6 Chrests, 1 Brilliant Spirit stone and 3 luminous stones in my vault so thought i take em out and put them in my bag to barter, they went into my barter wallet instead.

Send a bug report and the next day everything was gone ! ? ? my commendations where still not so i could barter a piece or something (looked like i had 10 extra comms)

So what the heck! This is 150 gold worth on stuff put into 10 commendations ??? Thats not worth anything so Thanks Turbine, not a good move !

Yeah, I figured that the conversion rate would be pretty bad, which is why I sold all my Brilliant and Luminous stones as soon as the Commendations were announced.

Didn't know it'd be that bad - that sucks, sorry.

All I can say is... "I told you so".

Stop giving THEM money if they're just gonna keep slapping Creep players in the face (like THEY have been doing for over five years now). Period.

Moors on my server is rubbish at the moment.

On hunter I'm slumming doing pve questing again, earning way more than I can doing actual pvp solo. So mostly in the moors I'm running around picking up bits of wood, killing brogs and goblins. Every now and then i meet up with a questing creep and we go to it. Not very satisfying.

The one time I did get loads of comms was when joining a "turn the map blue" raid, totally ignoring any actual pvp at all.

Other than that its all about if a side has an overwhelming majority, which ofc is a pretty underwhelming experience.

As for creeps getting a slap in the face, I witnessed 5 freeps trying to bring down a warg the other day an they couldnt. I've seen 10+ creeps keeping 20+ freeps bottled up in Tir. I've seen a predominantly red map with freeps being spam farmed in EC, Ive seen that as soon as Tol goes blue its instantly flipped back, I've been in several freep raids where we are mainly getting wiped all the time,I've seen my hunter squishier than ever with his noob audacity even though he has a full set of 75 pvp armour that took months to grind but is now totally useless.

maybe I should gtry out creep to see what all the fuss is about - but wait I have a life and I'd need to grind forever like on my freep to make it a viable experience.

What I havent seen is anything that has brought back some of the great pvp players we had on our server which have left for pastures new. I've not seen any of the small group action that I have played for years and has given me some of the best fun in LOTRO, I've not seen any satisfying 1v1 action where it actually felt balanced, I've not seen any of those great raid leaders we used to have on our server leading to awesome nights of pvp.

Irrespective of what our individual experiences are I've seen a tired map with no significant injection of pvp development that has generated perceptions of improvement, or created a buzz of action or actually brought back veteran pvp players and raid leaders. I've seen a grind introduced that makes it very difficult for players to drop-in and get a good pvp experience. Dont forget that much of gte player base in this game are mature players with real lives and relationships. We arent all singleton youngsters with time on our hands.

Originally Posted by Martigan

Moors on my server is rubbish at the moment. (<>)
I've seen a grind introduced that makes it very difficult for players to drop-in and get a good pvp experience. Dont forget that much of gte player base in this game are mature players with real lives and relationships. We arent all singleton youngsters with time on our hands.

You need to try something else then grandad. Try Werthers Originals... . All that 'great old raid leaders not pvping anymore' comment is pretty #### really. Old ones go, new ones come, the hardcore still carry on regardless. We lost some of ours to GW2, so what, we're still kicking freeps and having a laugh. Funnily enough we had someone the other night saying 'PvP is awful on this server , I'm going to Eldar' - It's what you make it, its got nothing to do with the amount of comms you get or whatever - its the people you play with. Creepside has always been a challenge and if as you say, 6 freeps couldnt take down a warg then they need to stick to PvE. Preferably away from the Moors.

And if you can't get any satisfying action (ie killing creeps) on your hunter perhaps you really should try something else for your entertainment.

Originally Posted by Gutterat

You need to try something else then grandad.

And if you can't get any satisfying action (ie killing creeps) on your hunter perhaps you really should try something else for your entertainment.

And you need to go and chew on some gristle because your contribution to the debate amounts to nothing but troll-fluff.

Originally Posted by Martigan

And you need to go and chew on some gristle because your contribution to the debate amounts to nothing but troll-fluff.

Wierd, I thought exactly the same about your contribution. I wouldn't have used the word 'troll-fluff' though. How quaint. Couln't see any reference there to commendations either, which is what the thread is about.