Thread: Too serious of a player?

Is there a thing as being a too serious player? To the point of being rigid in your thinking and "x" can be done only one way and one way only? I encountered this today and was bemused and confused because it caused a complete break-down of the group I had together and basically spoiled multiple peoples days. But I still beg the question, can you be too serious? After all, this is really just a GAME. Ya know, entertainment to relax or stimulate you, but overall just entertainment to take you away from real life for a spell, or just to pass the time. I can post the example of what happened if anyoen wants because it is a curious event and from what I understand while what I saw today isn't exactly what happens to others on a regular basis, I do hear about other players coming across similar events. Which again begs the question, can you be too serious in a game, this is a recreational activity, how can you let it throw you off or cause undue stress in your daily life? Oh well, if anyone is interested, I can elaborate, but I tend to get wordy so later for now.

I guess it all boils down to "Be careful about who you are grouping with in a PUG as drama may unfold" especially if you are going to do a raid or a hard instance like Dark Delvings.

Many people dont like change in the game myrd. They just play it the way they know and sometimes almost always think they're right no matter what anyone says. It Is true that this Is a game but for some it is a literal alternative to the things they dont have in rl. For example: not fitting in and stuff such as that. Don't let them get you down just boot them, add them to ignore and find someone else to have FUN with in the GAME. (Caps intentional).

You silly, sneaky, little monkey Grish... lol... Trust me, the only one that would bring me down would be you... LMAO... Like I said just a few thoughts... and I'll be back after Mardi Gras... LOL...

i know when i run in smaller groups people usually have an idea of how to run instances, but there are usually 2-3 different ways of doing them. Just a matter of preference. I usually ask how people have run before and then figure out a plan of attack before we go out, so hopefully everyone is on the same page. I am usually open to running things a different way than I have in the past unless there are flaws in it that I know of. Typically leave it up to whoever is leading the group and let them roll it out. I'm just here to have fun, so like learning the mechanics of all the instances in the game.

But like Grish said, if you find someone who is too wound up about something and a certain way of doing things, add them to your ignore list and move on. This is a game and not something to be stressed out over.

Balthadur, Ralthadur, Galthadur

I think some people takes this game too seriously which tells me that this GAME is their life...you will be very surprise how many people will stop everything in real life for Lotro.

I agree, hell I spent about 18 hours yesterday playing, didn't take it seriously, but I did sit and play all day long with my bro and kinnies, didn't accomplish much else in real life but didn't need to either, well not really

I lead raids for my kinship and sometimes you need to be serious. We have had the same raid group for well over 3 years and have gotten used to each others flaws.

If i pug a spot and that person aims to ruin what we have built with careless behavior then it is you who are ruining what we have built.

Do you have to be serious while raiding? not really unless someone screws something up and we need immediate organization.

We joke around all the time before the action starts and that is important.

When you make a error be ready to be scolded, yelled at, kicked from the raid etc etc... thats how you learn what to do.

the other option is to form your own raid group based on being silly, you may not be successful but you will have fun.

Originally Posted by RealRabbit

When you make a error be ready to be scolded, yelled at, kicked from the raid etc etc... thats how you learn what to do.

I think what myrd is trying to get at is to teach rather then scold. Personally I'd rather join a raid such as Draigoch or Orthanc if I was going to learn by being told don't do that but, rather do this. You don't need to yell at someone to teach them what to do. Calmly tell them the mistake they made and tell them how to improve or not to do what they did again.

I didn't think I would like healing at first because I was worried that I was going to do something wrong and wipe the group but, I ran my first 12-Man Skirm in the Twenty-First Hall and I learned what to do and what not to do. I learned that there will be some casualties and that isnt always the healers fault. I am more comfortable healing but, I still have a LOT to learn, be it from mistakes or reading in the forums.

Some people learn best from learning from their mistakes (which I admit no one wants mistakes, but you have to be lenient). Some people may learn by people yelling at them and booting them but, at first I think you should tell them what they did wrong, try again, and if they do the same thing over again then boot them. Everyone deserves a second chance.

When you make a error be ready to be scolded, yelled at, kicked from the raid etc etc... thats how you learn what to do.

While that may work in your raid group, the majority of people aren't going to learn this way. It's a small percentage of players, I imagine, that want gear so badly that they'll put up with poor leadership and verbal abuse to obtain it.

I agree. Grish has the right idea. If your raiding party is serious and been raiding primarily together for three years, then yes you know each other and know what to expect. I agree that when in raid there is a level of serious that needs to be maintained, but nothing higher than doing your expected role (tank, heals, DPS) and listening to the Raid Leader exactly as some situations depend on followign to a tee what the leader said to do. (The Rift is a prime example had a great run, Thanks TDark, but only was great after everyone starting listening to the leader) That being said, there are down times in raids and between pulls and also in long fights where you know what you are doing where you can communicate and have a good time being silly (in chat mind you, not on voice, voice is for serious talk and to hear the leader in a raid) but why not have fun when all you are doing is spamming certain skills to fulfill your role as you chip away at the boss with 700K HP.

That being said though, no offense to how you run your raids, but this isn't WoW and most of us aren't children, yelling and booting and being generally obnoxiously offensive if someone makes a mistake is inconsiderate, rude, and uncalled for. If that is how you and your raiding party run, good for you, especially if it works, but this is a game, if I wanted to get yelled at for makign mistakes in a raid or instance, I'd play WoW. It doesn't help anyone. (Ex. You start a Barad Guldur raid and need to PUG a toon or two, throwing new toons into your very well-practiced raiding machine. Now I was told BG is currently the hardest raid in game and complicated. I'm tanking and screw up and we wipe. Which unless I'm in a 75 Skirm, I'm tanking a lot. So we wipe, you yell at me and threaten to boot me. We run it some more and another complicated mechanic comes into play and we wipe again. Partially my fault, partially someone in your group's fault. You yell some more. Now being a grown man, I can take being yelled at for messing something up, but that's usually at work and I usually get my point across about yelling at me sooner or later. So now you and your group are mad, your yelling, I"m getting pissed because this is a FUN gaming experience and you are yelling at me, so if I don't drop I get booted, and where do we stand? I'm out of the raid and angry, you're looking for someone to tank mdiway through a raid and angry, the rest of the group is angry. Catch the common factor?)

Now alternatively, since I've run most of the content now, there isn't too much I have to learn content-wise. I may have to run an instance or two again to learn my way around to lead and tank effectively (I'm looking at you Grand Stairs), but generally after one or two runs, I've got it down pat and tanking is very easy for me. I learn quick, but also I run with people who are always willing to tell me what I did wrong, explain why it was wrong, and what to do right the next time. So within one or two tries, I have gotten whatever it was I needed to learn and the run is successful. Very rarely have I started a run anywhere and not finished the instance at some point within the same day we ran it. Dark Delvings is one that I ran and wiped in for most of five hours before conflict arose and the healer dropped, which destroyed the group. But went in the next day and finished it on the second try (Stupid Gurvand) The only other instance I have yet to finish is the HM for Warg Pens and the HM of the Dungeons of Dol Guldur, but they will be done and probably on the first try. The watcher is the only other thing I can think of where I've had an unsuccessful run where so many people dropped after getting wiped a few times that the run was over, but I have managed to do the Watcher and lead by proxy multiple times.

Which brings my last point, and I know this post is getting incredibly wordy now, but what is the deal with dropping from a group after one or two wipes? I've seen it countless times on many different instances, be it skirm, instance, turtle, watcher, or raid. If you run something with your kin or a dedicated raid group, you aren't going to just up and leave after two wipes even if it takes all night to get it right, so why if you join a PUG, do you drop after a wipe or two and leave the rest of the group hanging? In a PUG, you should be more patient, because you are grouping with literally anyone from Noob to Vet in a variety of classes and roles, and you are very lucky or have a good leader/tank, and healer if you don't wipe the first time you run it. I've seen toons join a PUG and after two wipes, express negative comments and drop from the group leaving the group to try and fill that spot. If it was a trial just to get those peeps for the first group, think about how you are screwing that same group even more by dropping instead of learning how to play with the group better.

People don't want to hear that though. You have every right to leave a PUG at anytiem for any reason, but please think before you do, because it's so much better to stay and learn to work as a team, instead of leaving and griping about a failed run because the tank/healer sucks and wasted your precious time. Sad enough there are a few peeps I won't group with because they act that way, yet I'm always willing to learn anything to make my input into the group better, and always willing to teach noobs and anyone how to work better at being a team player.

Like I said though, play your own way, but I saw today that people like playing in groups that teach and learn as oppossed to the highly structured "Do it right, or I'll yell at you" approach. Not to mention the other players will associate your name with a nice guy and good player/teacher/learner. I saw the perfect example just this evening. My kin was going to run Draigoch tonight and only had 7/12, I couldn't go because I'm not 75 and I wasn't staying online that long anyways (playing in a daytime sport for me). I watched as my Kinmate formed up to 7 then had to PUG. She spammed Glff a little for the group to PUG five other toons, but passively. I talked to her and spammed GLFF to find a few toons for Draigoch maybe four or five times at most within ten minutes and had my bro and kinnies yelling to stop because toons crawled out of the woodworks to joni the raid. Was that because I spammed glff, possibly, probably not, but as annoying as I may be in the GLFF chat, I am a good fair tank and love instances and raids and I don't know of anyone who doesn't run with me outside of ordinary circumstances (meaning I'm not 75 and doing Isengard stuff). So needless to say, you can PUG easier by being nice and teaching others, plus they can go on to teach yet others how to play better and we can improve the player quality on Nimrodel as a whole, so that maybe one day this year since the world is going to end, maybe if anyone asks for help or a group in GLFF for any instance they can get at least enough toons to run any instance for any reason. It won't happen, but it would be nice, especially since they are all fun and not run nearly enough.

"No drama No drama No drama!"
-Utleth

If they mess up re explain and move on. Utleth is serious but No drama

I agree with a lot of what Gish has said. I will say though that starting new toons and playing various roles (healer, tank, dps) has taught me more about raiding than i ever learned when just playing one class. That being said, i know some people take the game very seriously. I enjoy the game, but maybe clarity at the begining of the run can have a tremendous impact on what you are getting out of it. I can remember spending a couple of hours on the Lightning boss t2 trying to figure out some different ways of running it to defeat him. Some times we ran in just the tank and heals to see how long we could keep the healing up on him, testing out various things. That's certainly not on everyone's wish list for an evening or weekend. But some people do invest a significant amount of time into the game. But wiping because someone goofed, AOE'ed a mezzed/stunned enemy, is certainly not reason to boot them. Correct the action and re-run. But that's me. As Grish pointed out, run your raids the way you see fit. I get the feeling you will get a lot more people who are willing to help if you handle other's mistakes with greater care and treat the mistake as a teachable moment. Plus, you then have someone who *shocked* learned and now can correct their mistake. You've just added to the competency level of the game, congratulations!