Thread: Guard fms on Driag

Hello fellow guardians,

Earlier my kin had its very first Draigoch raid. However, at the time our burg was 74 and a friend of the kin who also has a burg had already run Draigoch. We don't know many burgs but have three 75 guards in the kin.
I thought if we couldn't get a burg then our guards could trait TTK.

I heard two guards (or one?) on a different server successfully pulled conjunctions in Draigoch using TTK (and I'm assuming FtE).

So tell me, have you seen it done?
Have you done it?
Any advice if we have to resort this?

(btw, we managed to grab a burg from glff but Draigoch glitched on us so our first kin run was a bust

This is entirely up to the percentages. Though I have never done this before on Draigoch, I have sucessfully pulled conjunctions on big bosses utilizing FtE and To The King. I would assume that with these types of encounters, even with a fully stacked FtE, your chances would probably be something like 1:100. Also, from my understanding and experience, the isengard update made FtE increase the fellowship manuever chance for all party members, not just the guard - so hunters with high crit ratings have much better odds with a fully stacked FtE.

EZ. You could go with 6 captains' Kick FM's and it wouldn't be a problem. I have often thrown in TTK when burglar has cd or miss. Go for it!

We actually tried this last night with two guards using TTK (no burg in party). They couldn't get a single FM off across two body drops and we gave up at that point. Hopefully other people have a better experience with this than we did. I think it could work in theory, but ensure that your everyone in your group is willing to risk all of that time and effort (especially given Draig's bugs).

We've sometimes had a Guard along in DPS group when we only have 1 Burg. And sometimes I've BEEN that Guard! And sometimes the Guard gets lucky and a TTK lands. Not something to be counted on though. If Burg is on cool-down, between their Exposed Throat chance and Guard's TTK (boosted chance with traited Counter Defense), plus any randoms from others, probably a 1:2 chance of getting one when needed. Still far better to have two (or three) burgs along. Still haven't experimented with the Captain's traited kick opener.

And why the hunter's trip-wires are the only crafted traps not usable in combat, I don't know.

It's very possible to do Driagoch like this. I've popped a few accidentally on Kin runs before, but it's unreliable. I'd suggest that the guards who are going for the CJs boost their finesse as high as they can (3k+) to help out. As someone else stated you can ftE and hope a high crit hunter or RK will pop one. It's doable like this if everyone is patient because you will inevitably turn what is about a 30 minute run into an hour or more run. Good luck to you!

ok guys my guard drops FMs like crazy get your crit rating high as possable time out to the king so it hits when the immunity is up aslo spam fray the edge like crazy and yea have high finniese...ive done it lots for drag..2 guards we had no issuses almostgot 2 every time have lots of agility also for misses

heh i was doing a 6 man and one of the fellowship said man this burg is popping a ton of fellowships then relized it was me lol me and a freind burg was having a compition to see who could do more lol was fun

I've done it 6-man being the only person capable of pulling CJ's (asides from random ones) using To the King. My crit chance is higher with all of my Overpower gear on, and you'll want the Captain if there is one to give you a crit buff during the CJ phase.

If you're lucky you can just barely pull two CJ's, but expect to only get one and hope for two.

My cappy buffs, Might/Agility flag, Mini Tale of Heroism, Agility trail food my crit chance is OP is close to 23%.

I think the Mini's Song of Aid will open up your reactives.

Whenever I am not doing TtK I am using FtE.

I often track my TtK crit percentages (crits + devs) and even though my crit chance fully buffed will only be ~23% in the combatanalysis lua plugin it is critting close to 60% of the time. When I'm in OP I pull CJ's almost every other time that I use TtK.

I think you'll be fine. I went as the only burg one run and couldn't land an FM start for my life so I only actually popped about 6 of the FMs. The hunters in the group popped the other 6 randomly. So between the grds' TTK and FtE, Cappies' FM Kick, and random procs from everyone else you should be fine.

It might get interesting near the end put I think you can pull it off.

My kin and I did this a couple of weeks ago.

We had our Warden with the head and our Guardian with the group. We also had a captain and a Loremaster in the FM group.

First thing when we'd go to attack the body our guardian would try to pull a FM with To The King. If it didn't connect, he'd be spamming Fray the Edge over and over while the loremaster (with bog lurker) and captain would try to open the FMs. For the first 3 or so rounds on the body nothing happened. After that, it seemed like we were able to get FMs off consistantly. At around the third try of no FMs we started having only the FM group try DPSing with fray the edge up and I'd pop all my high crit attacks (Heartseeker, Rain of Arrows, Blood Arrow, etc..) and I think I was able to open one or two while fray the edge was up. All the other FMS were from To The King and Kick/Loremaster pet.

It can be done but man, does it really drag out the fight :-/ If you have time to spare you surely can do it but make sure people stay awake otherwise they'll miss their FM spot

I did this on my guard just the other week, more or less just to see if it was viable.
Got 2 CJs on the body every round except for the final two which had only 1 each.
Had about 9k crit with captain buffs just to give an idea.
With 3pce OD set you can get TTK off every ~7s, for roughly 25-30% crit+dev chance.
Very much doable.

-Yeti

I've done the full set of FMs for Draigoch on my guard. Its easy when:
1. You stack critical to the cap, 25% critical 10% devastate (27% with Warriors Fortitude)
2. Traits: Heat of Battle, Brave heart and Strong Lungs to provide additional parry events (1 yellow 1 blue 5 red) (with this setup I don't even use the force opening CD reduction)
3. Have a competent minstrel in your fellowship who uses song of aid
Tactics: 4th paw goes down, pop sprint, warriors fortitude immediately going into your parry chain and starting the first CJ, then immediately follow up with force opening and time it so overwhelm goes off 5 seconds before immunity wears off so you can attempt a third if it lands. At this point call out for Song of Aid, which should get 4-5 more attempts in. You can stack up TTK so you have an overwhelm event and a to the king attempt and line up two for when conjunction immunity wears off again. If you are stuck in the position of having a minstrel who doesn't know what song of aid is/does, Thrill of Danger and Strong Lungs can be a means of obtaining the other parry events.

i did a kin 7 or 8 man with no captains, no burglars. i.e. no buffs, no auto cj's, no incoming damage buffs, etc. with ttk i started at least 1 cj per go-around. out of the 12 cj's i started 10 with ttk, only 2 were random. keeping fray the edge up helps with random cj's as well. definitely do-able, i've been the one to do it!

I would recommend against using FtE because it can pop FMs in the non-FM group, and that's that much time wasted. I've never had problems with FMs running with only 1 burg. If you're running with 0 burgs, I would recommend traiting your guard very VERY specifically (as above) or running with 1-2 guard AND 2 cappies in the FM group. That's a LOT of chances for FMs right there.

Originally Posted by Anwiga

Hello fellow guardians,

Earlier my kin had its very first Draigoch raid. However, at the time our burg was 74 and a friend of the kin who also has a burg had already run Draigoch. We don't know many burgs but have three 75 guards in the kin.
I thought if we couldn't get a burg then our guards could trait TTK.

I heard two guards (or one?) on a different server successfully pulled conjunctions in Draigoch using TTK (and I'm assuming FtE).

So tell me, have you seen it done?
Have you done it?
Any advice if we have to resort this?

(btw, we managed to grab a burg from glff but Draigoch glitched on us so our first kin run was a bust

Lol think we got a server first on draigoch using me for the fm's back when the raid came out , basically we had no active burgs so it was up to me and a lm's bog lurker