Thread: Mouse Clicker to Key binding & How I finally had overcome it! Short video Included

I had the worst time converting from a clicker and was getting a little frustrated. I had the Logitech G15 keyboard and watched a fair amount of videos on youtube. I was hitting alot of keys I did not want to hit and panicing and hitting the wrong keys even more! I decided to do some research and bought the top gaming keyboard the Logitech G13. I went one step further and purchased the razor Naga MMO gaming Mouse. I cant believe how fast the transition had taken place! For anyone having difficulties I would highly recommend taking a look at these products.

To show people how easy it was I made a short video of the two products and how I use them in the game.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGRv3F52t3M

I hope this helps

Great, definitely +rep for the effort and details!

your are saying one needs top-tier input devices to be able to play
the game without frustration ... ?

sorry for your wasted effort but your assumption is wrong

greetings

Originally Posted by hitomo_x3

your are saying one needs top-tier input devices to be able to play
the game without frustration ... ?

sorry for your wasted effort but your assumption is wrong

greetings

I usually do not reply to posts of this nature but feel a little compelled too.

This video was only intended for the player that has difficulty trying to adapt to a standard keyboard and is unsuccessful, such as myself. Players that can play with a normal keyboard my hat off too you, it is in my books very difficult. This video is giving my experience on how I was able to be successful and is not an assumption but a fact, I am now successful. These input devices give an alternative to the player that is in the same position that I was, a mouse clicker wishing to advance thier skills and are not progressing with a standard Input device.

I really enjoy helping people and felt this video was a great idea since I noticed this as a common problem in the forums. The request did not come from the posts on the forums but from one youtube subscriber. If I feel I can help one person with a video and maybe more, 3 hours of my time is an acceptable sacrifice to help others.

What you may feel as wasted effort can be greatly appreciated by others.

Greetings

Athelious

I'm at work so I cannot really watch your video, but I seen a lot of yours and always +rep for them. Although by taking a look at that mouse, it has 9 buttons on the side, are you all using them to execute skills? If so, how is it you are not a clicker anymore? :P

Anyway, I know what you are saying, I am using a Logitech G15 and I was a clicker also. Untill I noticed you were going to stop being a clicker and I decided to do the same. It took a bit of effort but I managed, I simply bound 1 skill to a new key, untill I was used to hitting the corresponding key instead of clicking the skill. When I got used to it, I bound the next skill to another button. Most are bound to buttons around my WSAD setup. And the skills aren't sorted in any way on my bars, why should they if I simply bound buttons to them? My best advice in this case is, do the same as me if you're struggling, bind one skill to a new key and get used to it by executing the skill using that button instead of clicking it. You'll get used to binding instead of clicking much faster and easier.

Once when I was still playing Quake 3 Arena, my friend who was an awesome player, told me he uses his right mouse key to move forward, instead of using it to jump. I decided to do the same, and started to practice. It sucked and I sucked, but once I got used to it, I noticed I was getting better and better.

It takes effort and determination to lose the clicking, and once you manage to do it, you can execute your skills a lot faster, more easy and you won't make mistakes by clicking the wrong skill and using dire need for example where you shouldn't.

Im using almost the same way. On the right hand I have a Logitech G500 mouse (wheel has left/right sensor, so I can make any movements + jump and sprint on side buttons).
On left hand I have Razer Nostromo. It has not as many buttons as your G13, but its enough for my champ.

I think that one of the biggest advantage of these gaming keyb. are macros.
Such as: "switch to DW + seeking blade + remorseless + switch back to two hander" or "enh. battle aquity + blade wall or rend" and many more

Originally Posted by Doncarlospv

I think that one of the biggest advantage of these gaming keyb. are macros.
Such as: "switch to DW + seeking blade + remorseless + switch back to two hander" or "enh. battle aquity + blade wall or rend" and many more

I have to ask - how long does it take to execute such a macro? Because if it's way shorter than actaully clicking or pressing the buttons one by one do you really think you're supposed to be doing that?

Im not using it as a cheat for speed-up fight, if you mean this.
Many skills must start and after that you can click on another. So no macro can speed-up this. Maybe some miliseconds.
Its just more comfortable (mainly for weapon switch in fight).

Turbine has said that using a macro for anything you can normally do in game is fine as long as you are at the keyboard. Aka a macro to trigger a set of attacks so you dont have to press each key is fine. setting a macro to target the nearest mob and kill it while you are off at the movies is not.

That said, I use a n52 to run a second character and the g110 for the one I am on as primary. They really do help out a lot. I think I need to get that razor MMO mouse though, the abilities of the logitech gaming mouse sucks.

Thanks for all the videos. I've been a "clicker" since I began playing.

Just got the G13 plus the Razer Naga. I'm ready to get started.

I made the switch from turning to keybinding after learning how ineffective it was in pvp in other games.

I have tried the razor mouse and I didn't like it. I'm in my 40s and I just cant use those side buttons...my wrist gets way too sore after a short time...had to go back to a standard mouse. Also, as I recall the regular m1 went bad on it; all and all was very disappointed with that purchase. YMMV.

That gaming keyboard is interesting though.

I cannot do shift +, alt + Ctrl + top numbers...I guess my fingers are too short or something. I do use shift + z x c and a s d. Also use ` q e r t f g h z x c v b. For healing toons I have a verticle bar next to portraits and bind healing skills to number pad.

Always looking for new ideas.

Great video though.

Originally Posted by oldtimegamer

I have tried the razor mouse and I didn't like it. I'm in my 40s and I just cant use those side buttons...my wrist gets way too sore after a short time...had to go back to a standard mouse.

I'm the same age and have sore wrists just like you. I haven't tried the Naga, but did buy the Logitech G500. It has 5 extra buttons, plus 3 extras "buttons" on the scroll wheel. I've mapped a few keystrokes to these buttons (e.g. swap in LI + heal + swap out LI) and it's been very useful. Three of the buttons are hard to use, so I use them for non-combat stuff. You might give the G500 a try.

While I have a Naga, but not the G13, I was actually using a keyboard only setup before the Naga that made transitioning to the Naga far easier - I was using the numberpad + control/alt/shift to control 4 bars of skills, which is a reversal of what you're doing.

It took me a long time to actually get the hang of it in WoW: Vanilla years ago but I started noticing payoffs with the druid at the time (it worked really well with ranged stuff, melee is kinda meh because of the keyturning), but that setup has served me well over the years in many an MMO.

The secondary bindings are:

Keyboard	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	0	-	=
Numpad	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	0	.	*

If you go this route, I would strongly recommend that you DO NOT have panic buttons without a control/alt/shift modifier because it's to easy to burn them on accident by fat-fingering a keystroke. Once you get the muscle memory down, it becomes second nature, and it won't slow you down (because you hit Control/Alt/Shift with the left hand while hitting the button on the mouse with the right). You should also take some time to consider rearraning skills so that rows and/or columns have similar skill functionality, to help with learning.

This is very useful if you want a Naga, yet don't want (or don't want to spend money on) a G13.

Another idea:
If you're having a hard time getting used to using the buttons on the Naga blind (that is, without looking at it), you can take an Xacto knife to it and carve an X with a vertical line into the 5 button. If you do this, you want to stay shallow enough that you don't slice through the button, but deep enough to make grooves that you can easily feel with your thumb. This has been a tremendous help with me learning how to use the mouse without messing with the stickers.

I've also found it's easier to hit the various buttons if you rotate the mouse so you're holding it sideways, and the thumb is at about 30-45 degrees to the button area. This is easier to do on a Naga Epic than a standard Naga because the entire right side of the mouse is a magnetic battery cover (side opposite of the buttons), and there are a total of 3 differently shaped battery covers that will accomodate 3 different methods to hold the mouse, in addition to the Naga Epic being optionally wireless (it has a USB cable that either plugins into a charging station/receiver or is designed to become flush with the mouse when plugged into the front of the mouse).

Hopefully this wall'o'doom... errr... text... has been helpful =)

I'm using a sidewinder mouse now which has a couple of extra buttons that are very easy to push. I used some predecesor model to the G500 and that is a good mouse also!

Regarding the Naga, if you can use the buttons comfortably it can be great. I used 1-9 and the then bottom row for rarely used skills. Then you can easily map 1-9 for shift alt and ctrl. That is 36 easy to reach keybinds....but maybe that explains my tender wrist too

You guys did inspire me though, and I grabbed a sidewinder x4 keyboard from newegg today for 43 bucks delivered. In all my years of mmoing have never tried one. Will let you know how it works out.

Great post and video Athelious, +rep!

I've just got a naga epic and G13 and was hunting around for some key binding advice, and you vid hits the spot!

A couple of questions - are you mouse turning now? What keys do you use to strafe?

Originally Posted by hitomo_x3

your are saying one needs top-tier input devices to be able to play
the game without frustration ... ?

sorry for your wasted effort but your assumption is wrong

greetings

Hold your tongue then next time you reply to KingTheo like that. He is a freakin top tier player, one of the best solo champs out there, period. In case you didnt know, his videos are all over youtube, he is an extremely helpful player to all he comes across as well. He was trying to throw out an option for those who would like to try to be a better gamer.

rediculous.... -rep, -rep, -rep

Thats cool that you made a video and I hope it helps people out, but I was kinda amazed at how you made things really overcomplicated for yourself. I use a Razer Naga as well, only things is I use all the buttons.... yeah....... So the way I do it is left hand on a standard keyboard to activate buttons like ctrl, shift and alt while the right hand uses the corresponding number on the Naga to trigger a skill, move my guy or the camera. I think its pretty simple and efficient no need to overcomplicated it for people.

In my opinion, the biggest problem people have with normal keyboard keybinding is that they use that infamous WASD setup. This thing is universal as default setup and is the worse thing ever to happen in games. For the past 10 years I used a FGHB setup, which unlock a dozen of keys on the left side for my last two fingers to bind with different functions.

For example, if you place your 3 fingers on the FGH keys, you will notice that ASDZX are easily accessible to the pinky, and obviously VCNJUYTREspace are easily accessible to the other 4 fingers, and with a little practice so are 4567K.

You never get that flexibility with WASD

Very late to the party but i have to admit you've cuaght my attention with this. The mouse is bassiclly usless to me, (i've nowere near enough space on my desk, i have to use a trackman mouse, (image in link), to ge round that), but that keyboard looks intresting, just not sure how i'd combined it with my basic mouse in a usable fashion. If only they did a multi-button form of my mouse .

Still i can see how for anyone that can't really touchtype how this would be a VERY useful setup, thats my main reason for only making very limited use of keybinds, (though i allways mouse turn), without touchtype capabuilities i can only control a limited number of keys with my fingers. This gives you 4 along the top you can rest finger on, 3 that are a simple movment down, (somthing i can do without looking), and another 3 along the bottom you can keep a thumb on, (well thumb on middile other two are one to side each). So for anyone unable to touchtype that keyboard is just brilliant. Now if only i can figure out a workable way to integrate m mouse with it...

Very appreciated thread though, never heard of that thing or realised what it could do .