Thread: NEW Orthanc Raid Progression Thread

Ramble On
Big E
Saruman T2 (had to edit for my bad spelling....)



Video coming soon

Originally Posted by Jamesm429

Ramble On
Big E
Suraman T2



Video coming soon

I think we also beat Saruman.

Originally Posted by canyouaddcolour

I think we also beat Saruman.

I think killing Saruman AND Suraman (Saruman's evil twin) is T3. Grats on the kill

Originally Posted by Gorgonites

Check Mellowships history over the last 5 years and you will find a kinship which every time beat the actual encounter as first/second/third (World/Europe/Server)....learn to play and not to complain!

And gratz Mellows!

It was so unwise to write this post without checking my history

As promised

Originally Posted by Arkue

It was so unwise to write this post without checking my history

And it is so pompous/self-important to write (in) passive(-aggressive) sentences.
So, I invite you to be constructive, and tell what we can learn from doing so. Would we by "checking you" learn that you have in the past made a "demand" that nobody really seconded, but that you now feel you have a right to make paranoid accusations? Because even if we cared enough to check this, there is really no way we could do so, given the fact that this wonderful forum refuses to let people view most of the player profiles, etc..

Originally Posted by Jamesm429

As promised

Even the Video is named Suraman?

Originally Posted by Melmadoc

Even the Video is named Suraman?

Sorry had a couple of drinks after this one.............

Originally Posted by rannion

And it is so pompous/self-important to write (in) passive(-aggressive) sentences.
So, I invite you to be constructive, and tell what we can learn from doing so. Would we by "checking you" learn that you have in the past made a "demand" that nobody really seconded, but that you now feel you have a right to make paranoid accusations? Because even if we cared enough to check this, there is really no way we could do so, given the fact that this wonderful forum refuses to let people view most of the player profiles, etc..

Ok, let's go constructive. My thesis - there's nothing to hide in shots that you are sharing. Because you are sharing them. And if you share screnshots - you are sharing them without any editing. That's not only the point that "we've killed that boss without any bug/feature", but at first of all - simple respect to others.

"We made it, here are screens, that we made it"
not
"We made it, here a piece of screen, there 40% is black squares, eat it"

Secret plans for Swiss bank robbery in kinchat during the pull/ashamed of damage in CA? There are 11 another ppl to make screens. Make challenge with counter defence? Simply don't post.

Finally, the idea of Gorgonites'es post was "It's Mellowship - they can make shots like this". Not "You think wrong - you can show edited screens/part of the screen"
I know what is Mellowship. I have no claims for their achievements. I have claims for how they give information. Rules are for all. If I Make shots, I show 100%.

Nope I don't make "paranoid accusations" just fan trolling with a grain of idea. And someone told me "to learn how to play" I hinted to him, that I know "how to play". That's simple.

Originally Posted by Arkue

Ok, let's go constructive. My thesis - there's nothing to hide in shots that you are sharing. Because you are sharing them. And if you share screnshots - you are sharing them without any editing. That's not only the point that "we've killed that boss without any bug/feature", but at first of all - simple respect to others.

"We made it, here are screens, that we made it"
not
"We made it, here a piece of screen, there 40% is black squares, eat it"

Secret plans for Swiss bank robbery in kinchat during the pull/ashamed of damage in CA? There are 11 another ppl to make screens. Make challenge with counter defence? Simply don't post.

Finally, the idea of Gorgonites'es post was "It's Mellowship - they can make shots like this". Not "You think wrong - you can show edited screens/part of the screen"
I know what is Mellowship. I have no claims for their achievements. I have claims for how they give information. Rules are for all. If I Make shots, I show 100%.

Nope I don't make "paranoid accusations" just fan trolling with a grain of idea. And someone told me "to learn how to play" I hinted to him, that I know "how to play". That's simple.

You do realise that many kins dont want to reveal fight spoilers .
Thats the reason for not showing damage/chat window .
Why ?
Because there are kins who try on their own and dont appreciate spoilers on public forums.
Most folks obviously want exactly the opposite.However , that's THEIR problem.
I realise people are getting desperate to find out how every tough fight can be done , whats the best way to move on etc , but be serious : Nobody has anything weird or fishy or whatever to hide here , its just up to the kins what they want to share with you.
This is a progression thread , and all you NEED to see , is the KB , the completion deeds popping up , rewards like seals etc and obviously the NON-spoiling part of the game window.
Thats all !

You want fight spoilers ? Then ask for them , beg for them if you have to ( if you belong to the desperate group i mentioned before).Someone will take pity of you and respond.At least you will be honest.
But stop throwing accusations and spamming/trolling the forums without any basis just because you want to know how the fight is done , or just because you have problems at home , or because you are a drama queen or because you hold grudges against kinships.

I am not only referring to the person i Quoted , i refer to previous trolls as well.

The screenshots are MORE than enough to judge whether a kill is legit or not . Chat window has NOTHING to do with the fight.

Good luck.

Originally Posted by BotLike

The screenshots are MORE than enough to judge whether a kill is legit or not . Chat window has NOTHING to do with the fight.

Using counter-defence feature u can have up to 7k dps with not repeating buffs while beating one target.
What do you think: is this feature legit or not?

And if chat window has NOTHING to do with the fight what's the motivation to open image editor?

Originally Posted by BotLike

This is a progression thread , and all you NEED to see , is the KB , the completion deeds popping up , rewards like seals etc and obviously the NON-spoiling part of the game window.

I don't see rewards like seals etc.

I know the strategy. I only want people to make good, not edited screens.

P.S. And if u're so afraid of spoilers maybe it'll be better not to make screens at all? You can learn what classes are needed for that boss, where to stay, what hp tank need etc.
Maybe just write "we survived on Pinncale of Orthanc t2ch"? No spoilers! I think u'll be happy.

Originally Posted by Arkue

And if chat window has NOTHING to do with the fight what's the motivation to open image editor?

I don't see rewards like seals etc.

I know the strategy. I only want people to make good, not edited screens.

Check the first picture...you see the seals every1 earned...a bit left you see the the icon for a completed deed.

And as you should know, many kins/alliances have created onw channels and i bet they wont let others join this channels....maybe think about this b4 posting. Let the creator of this tread decide if he wants unedited screens or not.

Originally Posted by Arkue

Using counter-defence feature u can have up to 7k dps with not repeating buffs while beating one target.
What do you think: is this feature legit or not?

Hmmm... you would'nt know if a burg used the counter defense exploit in a raid, by just looking combat log, deleted or not, it will not show anything as the Hots of captains and minstrels would have already overwritten the log in a kill screenshot.

I am still curious what was there to hide in the combat window. I couldn't care less about what people said in chat or how many seals they got.
I can't possibly imagine what kind od spoiler could be in two specific lines of combat window that it was so important to black out.

Originally Posted by Arkue

Using counter-defence feature u can have up to 7k dps with not repeating buffs while beating one target.
What do you think: is this feature legit or not?

I think you talk about skilling 4-yellow for no trick cooldown and use the addlebug to interupt any animations which allows you to do insane dps, if scripted even more. This bug was fixed months ago. I'm not aware of any current bugs.

I think that all of this back and forth over the F&F T2C kills is just silly. I think that we have to assume that these folks did this fight legitimately until proven otherwise.

That said, I do have to say that I find the strat employed to be, while entirely legitimate, completely lame. This is a fight that the devs really should be embarassed about. First, it is released in a state that is so over-tuned that no one can beat it for months. Then they nerf it, and it is still impossible to beat in any manner remotely resembling the obvious intent of the devs. I posted in our kin forum the night before this was beaten that there was really no way to beat this unless you were able to employ acid wing zerg-strat level DPS. It turns out that I was right. Jwbarry is a very good designer, and I loved OD and some parts of this raid, but he should really just be ashamed of this nonsense. I mean, the strat these folks obviously employed completely obviates one of the primary mechanics of the encounter - since both giants are never below 212k together, they will never do the punching to reduce rage. This is just a stupidly overtuned fight that has forced kins to waste countless hours to no purpose, and the end result is a burg zerg that circumvents the basic mechanics of the encounter.

I cannot believe for one moment that Turbine ever completed this challenge with remotely realistic conditions on their test server. I hope that this fight gets fixed in the future so that folks can enjoy it in a way that is not so stupidly class-restrictive and so obviously at variance with the design intent of the devs.

./endofrant.

BTW congrats to the kins that have beaten this - having beaten my head against it for many hours I salute your ingenuity and skill at finding a way to get past the poor programming by Turbine.

Originally Posted by Gorgonites

Check the first picture...you see the seals every1 earned...a bit left you see the the icon for a completed deed.

And as you should know, many kins/alliances have created onw channels and i bet they wont let others join this channels....maybe think about this b4 posting. Let the creator of this tread decide if he wants unedited screens or not.

hmm, it's very interesting to edit the shots extremly partially, don't u think?
About channels: there's a password function, isn't it?

Originally Posted by Skippy-SuperChunk

Hmmm... you would'nt know if a burg used the counter defense exploit in a raid, by just looking combat log, deleted or not, it will not show anything as the Hots of captains and minstrels would have already overwritten the log in a kill screenshot.

But maybe I shall know it, If I'll see very high dps in CA video and a little time of the pull?

It's curious, we are talking about black squares for 2 pages, then the clear shots would not cause questions at all.

And of course, finally, where'll be great to see video of WFK F&F v.2 like it was on Saruman t2ch v.2

Les Adorables - Acid T2 HM

screenie here:
http://alyx.sk/lotro/data/c390249a57...ws/25hzgwk.jpg

edit: and tonight, Shadow T2

screenie here:

http://i49.tinypic.com/4zuxdt.jpg

Originally Posted by sdf-blarelius

I think you talk about skilling 4-yellow for no trick cooldown and use the addlebug to interupt any animations which allows you to do insane dps, if scripted even more. This bug was fixed months ago. I'm not aware of any current bugs.

Unfortunately not true. They did not properly fix it.

I can't be 100% sure how it works currently, it's the same general idea though. I am made well aware of it's existence by the 'epic' players who choose to take advantage, though.

(Think this whole thing is silly btw. Have great respect for both kins. Just clearing that part up.)

Originally Posted by mmdur1

I think that all of this back and forth over the F&F T2C kills is just silly. I think that we have to assume that these folks did this fight legitimately until proven otherwise.

That said, I do have to say that I find the strat employed to be, while entirely legitimate, completely lame. This is a fight that the devs really should be embarassed about. First, it is released in a state that is so over-tuned that no one can beat it for months. Then they nerf it, and it is still impossible to beat in any manner remotely resembling the obvious intent of the devs. I posted in our kin forum the night before this was beaten that there was really no way to beat this unless you were able to employ acid wing zerg-strat level DPS. It turns out that I was right. Jwbarry is a very good designer, and I loved OD and some parts of this raid, but he should really just be ashamed of this nonsense. I mean, the strat these folks obviously employed completely obviates one of the primary mechanics of the encounter - since both giants are never below 212k together, they will never do the punching to reduce rage. This is just a stupidly overtuned fight that has forced kins to waste countless hours to no purpose, and the end result is a burg zerg that circumvents the basic mechanics of the encounter.

I cannot believe for one moment that Turbine ever completed this challenge with remotely realistic conditions on their test server. I hope that this fight gets fixed in the future so that folks can enjoy it in a way that is not so stupidly class-restrictive and so obviously at variance with the design intent of the devs.

./endofrant.

BTW congrats to the kins that have beaten this - having beaten my head against it for many hours I salute your ingenuity and skill at finding a way to get past the poor programming by Turbine.

Completely, 100% Agree.

GZ to both kins doing the burg tactics...

The fight would be possible, but the punching of the giants (below 33% morale together) only works all 60 seconds... If the designer would have dropped the timer of the punching to the same time interval as the 30 sec Rage incr, the wohle fight would be doable...So we can only hold ourself in the last phase with both giants to 50k at the same level of rage. And during 10 Minutes fight one corruptions goes wrong and all is gone...

Suggestion to the designer drop the increment for the punching of the giants to 30 seconds and the figth is doable without burg tactic...

Originally Posted by Arkue

And if chat window has NOTHING to do with the fight what's the motivation to open image editor?

Sometimes certain people shouldn't see what is being said in officer chat/private tells. Other than that I don't see a reason to black things out. Just my 2 cents.

Alrighty! Finally got through the list again and let's get a couple of things straight - starting with the negative:

Arkue, seeing at the very least you are quite the vocal one about this matter - Provide proof please.
There you go. Claim has been made as to suspicious or dubious method - therefore the onus is now on you to provide solid proof as to said claims.

If you are indeed NOT making any claims to the effect of "they have done X" - then cease such discussions. This goes for all of you, though Arkue is a good example of what this thread is DAMN WELL NOT ABOUT.

Now. some nicer stuff:

So - rules changed, as you may be aware - but let's clarify.

NO VIDEOS NEEDED!

Now, personally - drastically unfair to the people who were called under scrutiny RE: Saruman in the past, but whatever...not worth the stress, have enough as it is.

Screenshots - nice yes. Saruman / F/F Challenge ABSOLUTE YES.
I have listed the rules RE: screenshots on Saruman (which means I need to REVISE some of the current entries, best review yourselves too). It requires multiple screens, something ALL people are capable of (one reason for "NO VIDEO NEEDED" was the potential for not being viable for many groups RE: lag/framerate issues etc).

But for goodness sake, I WAS very clear about what the screens needed to show and so I am very sorry to those who put in the effort, but 1 screen showing basically what the pre-update 7 groups would show (and THEY got blasted for doing the wrong thing!? wow...) - not enough. That's how it is. To bend this any further for 'fairness' is, absolutely, NOT fair to those following the rules.

Unpopular decision maybe but hey - at least those who have done it can definitely replicate the performance and get the CORRECT screenshots this time.

Thank you for your time and please keep this place clean if you'd be so kind.

Been away for the weekend. Grats to both kins who got F&F CM down. I was talking with my brother about the fight and we concluded that burg stacking might be possible only to see a couple kins use it and beat it. Well done you two! Those of us in kins like yours who've been trying to get this fight down with a "normal" raid group feel your pain, and completely understand how stacking burgs can feel like a cheap way out, but its not. Well done and /salute.

Since I have a hunter and really no alts, I'll either get a chance to be the 1 hunter or have to finish my 63 burg. Doubt I'll waste the time to raise my burg just for a fight where the loots stinks and the mechanics are "stack burgs"

Originally Posted by Ultiheart

Arkue, seeing at the very least you are quite the vocal one about this matter - Provide proof please.
There you go. Claim has been made as to suspicious or dubious method - therefore the onus is now on you to provide solid proof as to said claims.

Ok, Proof for what?

Conviction of Evernight did Acid T2 Challenge last night. Screenie is in our server progression thread.

Ascension - [EN] Evernight - Saruman Challenge:

Amlug Herth on [DE] Morthond have done Shadow T2 QM

Teutonic Hounds [Morthond]:

Lightning T2 CM
Fire & Frost T2
Acid T2
Shadow T2

Hispania (Withywindle):
Lightning T2c
Fire and frost T2

Fire and Frost T2

Exiles of Arnor - Gilrain

http://s31.photobucket.com/albums/c3...nShot00053.jpg

Bit of video from Ascension, Evernight, doing Saruman Tier 2 HM:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vx163XeM3fg

Strength and Honor shadow challenge ... video soon

Originally Posted by Shane412

Strength and Honor shadow challenge ... video soon

Woot! Awesome job, fellas! Grats everyone!

Thanks, Cal, for frapsing it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2m8q7SFfsXc

Originally Posted by Ultiheart

No worries, once a person has provided adequate proof to this claim, I shall remove The Mellowship from the list.

Further updates will occur daily for 3 days in regard to this claim. I hope to find that this is not the case, but I must be fair to all involved.

Good call.

The Mellowship has been around as a top raiding kin for as long as about anyone can remember. No reason to doubt a kin who's been top notch for years. Without any up front proof, any claims is baseless imo.


*Edit* whoa where'd all those posts go? lol I just quoted a non-existent post.

I guess elimination took place because details of alleged exploit were discussed/mentioned.

=Soldurii= (Vanyar)

F&F T2 cm

http://s7.directupload.net/file/d/2907/mynge6q4_jpg.htm

gz soldurii.

We tried to go for the title today, but screwed up f&f cm. At the moment we killed the 2nd giant the rage went 1 up (although according to our timer we had ~ 3 seconds left).
At least we cleared the whole instance in 2 1/2 hours with a lot of breaks, so it's possible to farm it in ~2 hours, i think thats a nice duration for a raid since you can do it easily in one run even with a few wipes. It's still a bit frustrating, i really wanted to find out what's that title, stupid millisecond. Well, probably next week :P

PS: i'd like to see some new saruman cm loot. He always drops the same items for us, at least they are pretty nice

Originally Posted by sdf-blarelius

PS: i'd like to see some new saruman cm loot. He always drops the same items for us, at least they are pretty nice

Oh, go to hell! Seriously, this raid has way too much good agi/will-jewellery and way to less vit/might. Saruman gives at least 3 good items for champs and captains, but for me as a maintank there is really nothing to be excited about...

Originally Posted by MrKeks

Oh, go to hell! Seriously, this raid has way too much good agi/will-jewellery and way to less vit/might. Saruman gives at least 3 good items for champs and captains, but for me as a maintank there is really nothing to be excited about...

Roll a warden, he drops a really nice wrd shield.