Thread: Chivalry at Its Finest

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Ohhhh I look like Luggy all the way up there!

that must be the weirdest arrangement of skills in quickslots i have ever seen

Originally Posted by Unrecorded

that must be the weirdest arrangement of skills in quickslots i have ever seen

lol, i was thinking the same thing, but hey, whatever works for him ;P

Originally Posted by Viduo

Ohhhh I look like Luggy all the way up there!

Look i'm not trying to be a Jerk, but the undisputed king of RK's on this server doesn't need to use silly exploits (ill call it a exploit cause no creep that i have ever seen has been up on a pillar before besides the one that is broken on stab and reachable by all other classes as well) to roll over creeps. I have a lot of respect for your playstyle and leadership on the freepside, but this issue has to be addressed as you are not the only one who has been doing it. the flocks that follow your raids around take hint from your actions, and if they see you doing this they will say "Well XXX did It" we should too. And BTW anyone who doesn't understand what my beef is, its using your mount which can run at 162% or 168% and jumping to a location as a ranged class that is unreachable by creeps. That in my book qualifies as an exploit and if this were a FPS you would have been already banned from server by GUID and and made to buy another copy of the game and start over. i've tried as an experiment to get on top of some of the rocks while using my +200% wargie sprint and its not possible, I just can't jump high enough (it would do me little good anyway i'm melee for those who want to say hey...your trying to do it too). I doubt a BA can get there either. I've seen plenty of other people up on pillars and most recently the southermost outer ledge on the west side of TA including a hunter with a name who sounds like hes from the Congo somewhere, and a few others (mainly hunters). So yeah Viduo, lead by example and knock off the silly shenanigans, its not fitting of your reputation.

All it takes is the hordes of BAs to hit their VT/revenge on anyone on a pillar and problem solved. I assume he was using strategy against the apparent warg pack present. Oh no. Not strategy. Counter-strategize. He's not untargetable. This thread is just funny lol.

yeh i gotta agree with doomsie, it doesnt take much to just target someone who has clearly put them selves in a spot were they can be targeted, (the solution is as obvious as a man on a ledge) just push back other freeps then deal with anyone on the ledge, its not like theyre going anywere besides down to were u can get them.

and just lol

Originally Posted by Doomsie

All it takes is the hordes of BAs to hit their VT/revenge on anyone on a pillar and problem solved. I assume he was using strategy against the apparent warg pack present. Oh no. Not strategy. Counter-strategize. He's not untargetable. This thread is just funny lol.

Of course its funny cause its not being done vice versa. I'm sure there would be handfuls of threads like this if it were being done to the freeps but hey PVE pays the bills so you've gotta right...and put some type of nifty spin on it to show its really the fault of the creeps for not doing something to counter it. Every time someone starts a thread about Ainur or one of its members, constituents crawl out of the woodwork to defend them with some of the most half-baked rebuttals I've ever seen. I've never said anything inflammatory before about any member of Ainur, I said those actions were unbecoming someone who I had up until then highly respected for his ability to put together a zerg crew like nobody else on the server. Take it with a grain of salt, if the Freeps who partake in this type of behavior believe themselves infallible to the point that they are beyond reproach then PVP is really a lost cause in this game.

It's not strategy. It's just an exploit used primarily by fail hunters. A legitimate, if annoying, strategy is sticking near NPCs when you are being zerged, but I hear plenty of complaints about that on these forums.

I've been hit by about 25 VTs tonight, I'm sure the bridge spot wouldn't be a problem whatsoever if this were what were happening before. Go have a sandwich with Luggy in TA window and calm down.

My 2 cents (like anyone cares...).

1.) It's not an exploit. No different than BA's sitting in the window up top of a red TA. (Before you reply "No it's not because you can get to that spot too. No we can't get into the tyrant room with a raid of creeps and a keep of NPC's in the way.)

2.) Meow.

Originally Posted by Viduo

1.) It's not an exploit. No different than BA's sitting in the window up top of a red TA. (Before you reply "No it's not because you can get to that spot too. No we can't get into the tyrant room with a raid of creeps and a keep of NPC's in the way.)

1. Not being able to get to a creep because there is a raid between you and them is completely different than being in a spot that no enemy can ever possibly get to. Of course, I would love to have a straight shot at the tasty hunters in the back of a freep raid...there's just so darn much DPS standing between me and them. A fortified/defensive position is completely different than a physically unreachable position.

2. Yes, freeps can still get to BAs in the window. I witnessed 4 burgs sneak up there yesterday and kill Shap's BA in about 2 seconds.

Keep using the exploit if you please but don't try to justify it with silly equivocations. I'd side against creeps if they were doing this just the same.

lolwut? stop teachin the hobbitss these tricks vid >_>

EDIT after reading all posts past zepphyr's: no this is not fair no one could reach him and all he had to do was move back to LoS us all and heal himself....do i care that he did it? not really but im sure some blackarrow is fuming right about now, oh and you'd think he would appreciate the turtles we were throwing at him and all

I can't physically get into Grams or target anyone there. I has a sad. Same old QQ new QQ strain. I dislike that this particular strain of senseless QQ is aimed at someone that is actually very nice and helpful to those within and out of kin (though I'm sure creep who don't know him have made him out to be a baby-eating boogie monster).

Originally Posted by msr

yeh i gotta agree with doomsie, it doesnt take much to just target someone who has clearly put them selves in a spot were they can be targeted, (the solution is as obvious as a man on a ledge) just push back other freeps then deal with anyone on the ledge, its not like theyre going anywere besides down to were u can get them.

and just lol

Anyone up there are targetable, even wargs can affect them, as I've witnessed it. Its a strategic place unless it is actualy countered, which is easy, and its easy to isolate the person up there. L2p kthxbai.

(but honestly, lol, this is all madness, have some BACON, scream BARZILLIA and go back at it lol )

Originally Posted by asearchforreason

1. Not being able to get to a creep because there is a raid between you and them is completely different than being in a spot that no enemy can ever possibly get to.

This would make sense if it were a 1v1.

Either way, as I recall we weren't able to jump onto those pillars a while back. Now we are. Go to the forums and demand they change it back.

Originally Posted by connor9890

EDIT after reading all posts past zepphyr's: no this is not fair no one could reach him and all he had to do was move back to LoS us all and heal himself....do i care that he did it? not really but im sure some blackarrow is fuming right about now, oh and you'd think he would appreciate the turtles we were throwing at him and all

do i smell zepphyr mentioned?

I hope it smells like BACON

Originally Posted by Doomsie

I can't physically get into Grams or target anyone there. I has a sad. Same old QQ new QQ strain. I dislike that this particular strain of senseless QQ is aimed at someone that is actually very nice and helpful to those within and out of kin (though I'm sure creep who don't know him have made him out to be a baby-eating boogie monster).
Tis


Anyone up there are targetable, even wargs can affect them, as I've witnessed it. Its a strategic place unless it is actualy countered, which is easy, and its easy to isolate the person up there. L2p kthxbai.

(but honestly, lol, this is all madness, have some BACON, scream BARZILLIA and go back at it lol )

This is not senseless QQ aimed at nice person, it is aimed at a nice person's not so nice or let me rephrase it "Ethical" actions. This speaks alot about a persons logic, and what they are willing to do to obtain victory. Oh your cute L2p kthxbai makes you seem so much more mature and gives such substance to your post.....back to the topic of Viduo being nice or not, I sparred him back some time ago in 21st before the ROI expansion, and yes he was very approachable and not like the typical egomaniac that seems to be filling up the servers more and more as of late. I never said he was not a nice person or helpful to freepside, on the contrary I said people looked up to him both as an inspiration of who to emulate when they rank their Rk's to 75 and his abilities to lead a group. I'm done However wasting words on people who don't appreciate ethical gameplay and who want to take my comments out of context and imply that my thread was created with some ulterior motive besides bringing into the light an exploit that seems to be more and more popular with the freeps as of late.

Originally Posted by Viduo

2.) Meow.

That is just plain rude! Almost worse then threatening to steal cookies.

Ummm..i dont see what the big beef is. There was a freep up there the other day and we burned it down fast as a group. Sure its fusterating for melee classes who cant reach..but get a couple bas and a spider and hes done for.

"Pick your battles", the old saying goes...personally i think this was a very poorly battle to choose to fight.

Hehehe, vid. can you please put an entire raid up there? At least for the sake of a good screenshot.

Stay Classy Dwarrowdelf.
MB

Originally Posted by koonerboy

"Pick your battles", the old saying goes...personally i think this was a very poorly battle to choose to fight.

Agreed here. This is a pretty minor issue in the scheme of things.

+ Rep to Misterbubbles lol. There really isn't anything else worth bothering to say.

Originally Posted by Vezz

This is not senseless QQ aimed at nice person, it is aimed at a nice person's not so nice or let me rephrase it "Ethical" actions. This speaks alot about a persons logic, and what they are willing to do to obtain victory. Oh your cute L2p kthxbai makes you seem so much more mature and gives such substance to your post.....back to the topic of Viduo being nice or not, I sparred him back some time ago in 21st before the ROI expansion, and yes he was very approachable and not like the typical egomaniac that seems to be filling up the servers more and more as of late. I never said he was not a nice person or helpful to freepside, on the contrary I said people looked up to him both as an inspiration of who to emulate when they rank their Rk's to 75 and his abilities to lead a group. I'm done However wasting words on people who don't appreciate ethical gameplay and who want to take my comments out of context and imply that my thread was created with some ulterior motive besides bringing into the light an exploit that seems to be more and more popular with the freeps as of late.

i was screaming Help help at ooc just to play a prank lol

and i end up getting jumped by you, roudy and mommy T.T

i feel like

First thread I've read in a long time. Had some funny and legit stuff.

Originally Posted by Viduo

Go to the forums and demand they change it back.

That's funny.

Originally Posted by asearchforreason

1. A fortified/defensive position is completely different than a physically unreachable position.

2. Yes, freeps can still get to BAs in the window. I witnessed 4 burgs sneak up there yesterday and kill Shap's BA in about 2 seconds.

This is the truth.

All of your "Just have the BAs spam X attack on the target" arguments don't work if the bridge is loaded with freeps (which it usually is) because they can just LoS us, and those on the bridge can finish us off if we try chasing that LoSing froob. (It's a trap!). Also, the freep on the pillar usually shows himself/herself/itself and starts attacking after the fighting has started, at which point creeps have 2 choices: (1) switch to him/her and probably have him/her LoS. or (2) focus on the god-mode minis in front of them in the hopes of getting a (guaranteed?) kill. Now, this freep would be a priority target if he wasn't exploiting and was on the ground, but now, since its a pain to kill to him, he's last to die (after he/she has had a good laugh doing about 100k dmg unhindered).

Besides, coordinating the cd and use of VT on a single target is another onerous task altogther. However, if the bridge didn't have freeps, and one froob was stupid enough to stay on the pillar, just put a BA on each side (so they can't LoS) and that should do the trick.

Or turbine could just give creeps Mumakil to handle problems like these.

Seems to me that Razz is just dissapointed in Viduo's actions. You'd think someone of his stature wouldn't resort to exploiting to win. And yes, getting up to somewhere that others can not get to is exploiting. Complain and rationalize it all you want, but if it's a place only you can get to, it's an exploit. Freeps can go up to the top of any blue keep and sit in the window also. That is not an exploit. Turbine isn't going to address this anytime soon... because it doesn't make freeps QQ about it. If it was a creep exploit, it would have been fixed already.


Just because you CAN do something, doesn't mean that you SHOULD.

+Rep Razz for being well spoken. Unfortunately... welcome to being trolled by every freep.

Whether or not the creeps can physically reach that location, they can still hit freeps up there. Situation dictates your perception; if it was one freep up there and an empty bridge surrounded by a creep raid, there would be no problem. The issue here is that in zerg v. zerg situations, some freeps have found a way to avoid melee creeps. Razz, you talk about Vid setting an example, how about the example that Luggy sets of never leaving TA and hugging NPCs like it's his job? Creeps follow him around all the time and they've learned his ways. If you don't believe me, I do have several (hilarious) quotes from creep OOC that prove this. My point is that no one person should be held accountable for moors conduct, people are free to play however they want and it's not their fault if they're rallied behind. So is it an exploit? Meh, it's a grey area. All I see is a squishy with no escape skills staying away from the 10 stealthed wargs that are targeting him. And the wackiest hotbar of all time. Why are there delving stones there??? They're not even usable items o.O

I almost forgot...

Well, in conclusion, I don't think I've ever read a better post that got someone's point across so well. Very well spoken Razz, in my opinion.
+rep

Being a BA I dont have any strong reservations about someone being on top of a pillar and often kill people up there. Forgotten who BBat and I trapped up on the pillar on stab the other day but was like 3 of them up there and we just stayed on either side ping ponging them back and forth til they died.

Having said that ... it is exploiting. And all of you who are arguing about it know it. It is just the same as the old days when freeps used to be able to get up onto the tops of the walls in Lugz and TR right up the top meaning if they had ranged they could pew pew unhindered into the top floor rooms with little or no chance of dying. It took the creeps about a year of solid complaining about that for Turbine to move their #### and fix that and it was a seriously unbalancing effect so I dont see them fixing this for at least 3 years.

Like I said I am not overly fussed that freeps use it .. if I am leading a group and it is a group on group situation .. easy answer is you just dont go onto the bridge makes it a useless exploit. Back up and let them come to you if they are gonna do this.

Nicely laid out and wellspoken though Razzgash.. you can ignore Doomsie who always automatically gainsays anything any creep says that is in any way perceived as negative towards Ainur and will probably bring out her tired old tampon line at some point as she has no real appreciation of pvp in a game as far as I can tell.

Lol @ arakaz. Made me laugh

This post is legitimate so stop tearing it down. I said something about this to a hunter i saw up there a few times, and he said he got a few cheap kills. So he kind of admitted it was cheap lol. Here is a quick fix to this problem.

Don't fight at oc. Move to dg. Even though i doubt that will happen with the lack of rez proximity, but it would make things more interesting because of the amount of non-exploitable locations.

Vid is usually out there fighting in the mix of everything, and I'm sure he was tired of getting warg ganked. Which is understandable. But i dont think this is a common thing for him to do.

We will be ok guys, I promise.

Originally Posted by Cardal

Don't fight at oc. Move to dg. Even though i doubt that will happen with the lack of rez proximity, but it would make things more interesting because of the amount of non-exploitable locations.

How about move to an open field. Same fix.

@ Borken

open field for sure. Open field fights are the best. But I was thinking about the outnumbering freeps v creeps (although recent oc fights seemed pretty even numbered to me). Even if it was open fields and even numbers, only shap seems to want open field rvr fights (that iv seen).

Originally Posted by Cardal

@ Borken

open field for sure. Open field fights are the best. But I was thinking about the outnumbering freeps v creeps (although recent oc fights seemed pretty even numbered to me). Even if it was open fields and even numbers, only shap seems to want open field rvr fights (that iv seen).

I believe there's an open field(i dont really remember as i keep on get disconnected) fight yesterday, i think it was around 11pm-3am my time which is 11am-3pm est

the creeps roflstomped me non-stop haha

I usually agree with Crygin, Karganos, and Rayzr, because they actually want fights without the hiding and crying ! And I used the tampon assault once, glad to see it had such an impact trolololololol.


Yeah totally, wat r pvp? BARZILLIA!!!!!!11111

Are there no ranged creep classes? O.O

I do recall back in the day me and a couple freepsies sitting outside TA waving to Luggy. He would come forth from his hidey hole up top and hit some people then back up so we couldn't hit him. I don't see how this is any different. Quite boring, to be honest. We merely left and found something else to do.

How many wargs have killed AFKers in rez?

How many creeps have soloed OPs?

How many freeps/creeps have pulled keeps and glitched NPCs on the stairs?

How many freeps have hid in the untargetable spot in TA CG room?

How many freeps/creeps have hid in unreachable spots in every keep on the map?

It's just another meh exploit/bug/WAI spot. Should it be fixed? Yes. Is it a big deal? Heck no.

Lemme say this.... Your a sad hunter if you need to use that spot to get kills and I have no respect for your failness.... Nuff said.

I can see how both sides can be argued. If I'm a very squishy hunter and there's no other freeps around and 10 creeps are, would I hide? Yes. If I'm a ranged class (or an OP mini any of the time QQ :P ) and there's a fair fight going on where both sides are pretty even and both are getting killed, should you hide? If you do, that's pretty lame. In each case though, is it an exploit? Yes. Will freeps deny it? Yes. Will they stop using it because it's unfair? I doubt it. Also, BA's aren't always around, and if it's not a squishy froob spiders don't have much chance alone of killing it, so that excuse is invalid. In the end though, there's not really any more point in arguing cuz no one is going to really change there mind.

Originally Posted by Vezz

This is not senseless QQ aimed at nice person, it is aimed at a nice person's not so nice or let me rephrase it "Ethical" actions. This speaks alot about a persons logic, and what they are willing to do to obtain victory. Oh your cute L2p kthxbai makes you seem so much more mature and gives such substance to your post.....back to the topic of Viduo being nice or not, I sparred him back some time ago in 21st before the ROI expansion, and yes he was very approachable and not like the typical egomaniac that seems to be filling up the servers more and more as of late. I never said he was not a nice person or helpful to freepside, on the contrary I said people looked up to him both as an inspiration of who to emulate when they rank their Rk's to 75 and his abilities to lead a group. I'm done However wasting words on people who don't appreciate ethical gameplay and who want to take my comments out of context and imply that my thread was created with some ulterior motive besides bringing into the light an exploit that seems to be more and more popular with the freeps as of late.

Well said. +rep

Originally Posted by thenabforlife

All of your "Just have the BAs spam X attack on the target" arguments don't work if the bridge is loaded with freeps (which it usually is) because they can just LoS us, and those on the bridge can finish us off if we try chasing that LoSing froob. (It's a trap!). Also, the freep on the pillar usually shows himself/herself/itself and starts attacking after the fighting has started, at which point creeps have 2 choices: (1) switch to him/her and probably have him/her LoS. or (2) focus on the god-mode minis in front of them in the hopes of getting a (guaranteed?) kill. Now, this freep would be a priority target if he wasn't exploiting and was on the ground, but now, since its a pain to kill to him, he's last to die (after he/she has had a good laugh doing about 100k dmg unhindered).

Not to mention the fact that the melees such as wargs and reavers can't even get up there, and weaver dps will never take out anyone but a froob.

Originally Posted by thenabforlife

Or turbine could just give creeps Mumakil to handle problems like these.

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Originally Posted by StileMajere

Seems to me that Razz is just dissapointed in Viduo's actions. You'd think someone of his stature wouldn't resort to exploiting to win. And yes, getting up to somewhere that others can not get to is exploiting. Complain and rationalize it all you want, but if it's a place only you can get to, it's an exploit. Freeps can go up to the top of any blue keep and sit in the window also. That is not an exploit. Turbine isn't going to address this anytime soon... because it doesn't make freeps QQ about it. If it was a creep exploit, it would have been fixed already.

Just because you CAN do something, doesn't mean that you SHOULD.

+Rep Razz for being well spoken. Unfortunately... welcome to being trolled by every freep.

+Rep to you for stating the facts.


These actions are absolutely detestable, and unbecoming of you Viduo (and any other freeps who use them). It's bad enough that our mitigations are borked and freeps are undeniably overpowered right now. It's disappointing to see you drop so low that you have to use exploits to get a few cheap kills. You wanna zerg me? Fine. But at least have the guts/morales to do it without exploiting.

I love how quick the creeps are to cal "Troll!" on the freeps, but not one person has responded to my comment or brought any counters to my counterargument.

@ Andrag: Not only were creep mitigations recently fixed, nobody cares about a freaver running around, it's the wargs. You guys are raving about Vid being on top of a post like he farmed R12 sitting up there, when you full well know the truth, and that truth is why you're raving about him to begin with. If fights on this server weren't 12 freeps, 12 visible creeps, and 12 more stealthed wargs, I doubt you'd see people up there very often. And just to reiterate what's already been said: move the fight, exploit worthless.

Oh, and because I'm just a trolling freep who's incapable of making logical comebacks: trololololololol PVP L2P bacon creeps fail trolololololol

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