Thread: Geography

Originally Posted by Sezneg

Pro tip: If you can see us all right in front of you, we probably aren't behind you in the keep.

I know, hard concept.

So you just agreed with me there? If in future we have similiar numbers and you guys were not drop pulling the only rez we have, we won't have this npc problem. I don't see the point of this short post except to look offhandedly cool because you felt embarrassed for the "I have to state as many points as I can think of regardless of relevance to win this argument" essays before.

Originally Posted by Dealarr

So you just agreed with me there? If in future we have similiar numbers and you guys were not drop pulling the only rez we have, we won't have this npc problem. I don't see the point of this short post except to look offhandedly cool because you felt embarrassed for the "I have to state as many points as I can think of regardless of relevance to win this argument" essays before.

LOL @ relevance. I was actually just making fun of you for not even knowing what/where the TR west hotspot was.

I'm still amazed that you would be concerned about us drop pulling TR when we were literally right in front of you. If you push, we're in combat and can't map. We get a nice fight. Lot's of people die, it's fun.

Honest truth, you guys have ~36-40 = you can have any res you want. We flip a keep it's just going to flip back. Might change on the next balancing pass, might not. This paranoid fear of losing a res when you have that kind of numbers is... bizarre really.

Only sense of it I can make is, it's a convenient excuse to cover for a lack of initiative and the overall timidness.

I don't mean this to be insulting, I'm just pointing out that in the hands of a more offensive minded leader your group of 40 would have probably trippled your point total and the creeps would have been more than happy to die in droves in actual open field combat.

Originally Posted by Sezneg

LOL @ relevance. I was actually just making fun of you for not even knowing what/where the TR west hotspot was.

I'm still amazed that you would be concerned about us drop pulling TR when we were literally right in front of you. If you push, we're in combat and can't map. We get a nice fight. Lot's of people die, it's fun.

Honest truth, you guys have ~36-40 = you can have any res you want. We flip a keep it's just going to flip back. Might change on the next balancing pass, might not. This paranoid fear of losing a res when you have that kind of numbers is... bizarre really.

Only sense of it I can make is, it's a convenient excuse to cover for a lack of initiative and the overall timidness.

I don't mean this to be insulting, I'm just pointing out that in the hands of a more offensive minded leader your group of 40 would have probably trippled your point total and the creeps would have been more than happy to die in droves in actual open field combat.

You said you were at TRHS which was the spot we were in when we charged you twice. Then you actually admit to be hiding behind the rocks. Yes I know the difference between TRHS and TRWHS and we were not at TRWHS. Why should we give Vyxe the pleasure of spamming red map on his baos shouts when we are here for pvp not pve. It's because we can. So what are you going to do about it? I really like the way you dance to your enemy's tune, you are like a puppet. What's it gonna be? An essay or a cool short reply next?

Originally Posted by Dealarr

You said you were at TRHS which was the spot we were in when we charged you twice. Then you actually admit to be hiding behind the rocks. Yes I know the difference between TRHS and TRWHS and we were not at TRWHS. Why should we give Vyxe the pleasure of spamming red map on his baos shouts when we are here for pvp not pve. It's because we can. So what are you going to do about it? I really like the way you dance to your enemy's tune, you are like a puppet. What's it gonna be? An essay or a cool short reply next?

So you intend to prevent pve in pvp land by preventing pvp while you wait for them to pve so you can get your pvp?

Raids sitting and doing nothing=boring. This applies to both sides. I understand leaders not wanting to lose a keep or not wanting to lose a fight, but arguing back and forth on the forums as to who was justified and for what reason is not going to convince anyone.

If you are worried about them taking a keep at least wait out of track range and follow them in. At least that way you get some kills out of the process and you have a captive audience as it were.

And creeps, why wait for them to push when you are capable yourself? All I see is that you don't want to die. Dealarr has done some good work in the moors convincing large groups of creeps to overextend on a counter and then wiped them. I don't see a reason why you can't do the same.

Originally Posted by Dealarr

You said you were at TRHS which was the spot we were in when we charged you twice. Then you actually admit to be hiding behind the rocks. Yes I know the difference between TRHS and TRWHS and we were not at TRWHS. Why should we give Vyxe the pleasure of spamming red map on his baos shouts when we are here for pvp not pve. It's because we can. So what are you going to do about it? I really like the way you dance to your enemy's tune, you are like a puppet. What's it gonna be? An essay or a cool short reply next?

Originally Posted by PurebloodWorg

"Utilising NPCs to deny you infamy" ..The Freep justification of NPC-Hugging

The goal is not quality PVP...the goal is to play as cheap as possible in order to win or at least to deny the other side any victories

That is just plain wrong



You will pay for your crimes Dealarr

My Warg is going to assassinate you Blade-style

5.1 freep motto: Preventing pve by preventing pvp.

Originally Posted by cmal

And creeps, why wait for them to push when you are capable yourself? All I see is that you don't want to die. Dealarr has done some good work in the moors convincing large groups of creeps to overextend on a counter and then wiped them. I don't see a reason why you can't do the same.

Because they are sitting right in front of the keep and any action we take results in them just running into the main room. Goes from potential epic 40 vs 40 fight to "lol burning tar + room of NPCs aggroed on their healers!"

When we're sitting inside TRWest, the closest fall back point we have is TA. We have EC at our back, bears to our right and left and a blue keep in front of us... How much more exposed are we supposed to get for a fight?

Originally Posted by cmal

So you intend to prevent pve in pvp land by preventing pvp while you wait for them to pve so you can get your pvp?

Raids sitting and doing nothing=boring. This applies to both sides. I understand leaders not wanting to lose a keep or not wanting to lose a fight, but arguing back and forth on the forums as to who was justified and for what reason is not going to convince anyone.

If you are worried about them taking a keep at least wait out of track range and follow them in. At least that way you get some kills out of the process and you have a captive audience as it were.

And creeps, why wait for them to push when you are capable yourself? All I see is that you don't want to die. Dealarr has done some good work in the moors convincing large groups of creeps to overextend on a counter and then wiped them. I don't see a reason why you can't do the same.

I really like the analogy of your last paragraph, seems to nail it right on the spot. Basically we were the ones calling the shots, we charged, they whine after. I don't just do this in the moors though. It's funny there is hardly ever see a single freep leader or freep for that matter to start a QQ thread after every fight. Are we winning all the time? I am sure not. We just suck it up.

Originally Posted by Dealarr

Then you wanna QQ about us utilising npc's to deny you infamy.

That is by far one of the most ridiculous and most embarassing things I have ever seen a freep say - especially one that LEADS raids and is supposed to set an example and promote good/fun game play for everyone else.

This update freeps CLEARLY have the advantage over the creeps. We deal much more damage than they do, our healers have uninterruptable heals, and our mitigations are through the roof. When you have "even number fights" of 40 creeps versus 40 freeps.. well, that's not even at all. I would say 20-25 freeps versus 40 creeps would be about even at this point.

If you want an example of what freeps are capable of, here you go: My group of four (RK healer, Captain, LM, Champion) fought a 12-14 person Vyxe raid on our own and held them off without any deaths on our side. Twice. We did not need any npcs to "utilize" and we did this within meters of their rez circle. We only wiped when additional creeps showed up to finally kill us off.

Gear/First Ages had nothing to do with that fight either considering only one out of the four owned a first age (the captain) and only two out of the four had the new raid gear on.

Overall it's called growing a pair (and yes, this is coming from a FEMALE), it's called discipline, and it's called utilizing the skills you have on your character. That is what promotes good game play and fun PVP.

Originally Posted by Dealarr

It's funny there is hardly ever see a single freep leader or freep for that matter to start a QQ thread after every fight. Are we winning all the time? I am sure not. We just suck it up.

To be clear, I do not think the intent of the OP was to whine about losing. It's a general complaint regarding the quality of the fight. Competent freeps can/should/will utterly obliterate creeps of equal numbers, so charging into a blue TR and amassing kills even amongst the NPC aggro is a complaint in itself towards freep integrity (speaking generally here, and admittedly timid to do so - there are many freeps I greatly admire and enthusiastically do battle against).


And lest we forget what this thread is really about:

Originally Posted by distillered

That is by far one of the most ridiculous and most embarassing things I have ever seen a freep say - especially one that LEADS raids and is supposed to set an example and promote good/fun game play for everyone else.

This update freeps CLEARLY have the advantage over the creeps. We deal much more damage than they do, our healers have uninterruptable heals, and our mitigations are through the roof. When you have "even number fights" of 40 creeps versus 40 freeps.. well, that's not even at all. I would say 20-25 freeps versus 40 creeps would be about even at this point.

If you want an example of what freeps are capable of, here you go: My group of four (RK healer, Captain, LM, Champion) fought a 12-14 person Vyxe raid on our own and held them off without any deaths on our side. Twice. We did not need any npcs to "utilize" and we did this within meters of their rez circle. We only wiped when additional creeps showed up to finally kill us off.

Gear/First Ages had nothing to do with that fight either considering only one out of the four owned a first age (the captain) and only two out of the four had the new raid gear on.

Overall it's called growing a pair (and yes, this is coming from a FEMALE), it's called discipline, and it's called utilizing the skills you have on your character. That is what promotes good game play and fun PVP.

Meraithe you are a forum reader, on my grats thread you congratulate me. Here, not so much. You haven't join any of my raids as of late, you do not know what is going on and why stuff are said here in their intent. I suggest you stay out of it, and come to the moors more often.

Originally Posted by Dealarr

Meraithe you are a forum reader, on my grats thread you congratulate me. Here, not so much. You haven't join any of my raids as of late, you do not know what is going on and why stuff are said here in their intent. I suggest you stay out of it, and come to the moors more often.

I did congratulate you because I think as a player, you're great. I just wish you'd bring that same spirit to your raid leading.

Also, you wonder why I stopped joining your groups after that one and only raid? Well. I thought my previous post made that one quite clear.

Originally Posted by pinion247

To be clear, I do not think the intent of the OP was to whine about losing. It's a general complaint regarding the quality of the fight. Competent freeps can/should/will utterly obliterate creeps of equal numbers, so charging into a blue TR and amassing kills even amongst the NPC aggro is a complaint in itself towards freep integrity (speaking generally here, and admittedly timid to do so - there are many freeps I greatly admire and enthusiastically do battle against).


And lest we forget what this thread is really about:

I wish we had a fraps of the one epic fight where he hobbit silenced to flip it, so i burrow flipped it back and then he feign death flipped it back.

Originally Posted by Sezneg

When we're sitting inside TRWest, the closest fall back point we have is TA. We have EC at our back, bears to our right and left and a blue keep in front of us... How much more exposed are we supposed to get for a fight?

Wargs to the sides, a couple spiders burrowed slightly forward. Trust me, freeps will chase Vyxe no matter how much Dealarr screams at them. Push forward with a few BAs, heals, and WLs. Pop brands if you feel you must, all that does is piss off a certain sub-group of players who feel they have something to prove. When they engage pull back while keeping their attention until they are close enough for spiders to get their poo down. Wargs pounce anything in sight then onto the target assist. You get kills, freeps get kills, everyone is happy. Of course I am assuming that you had a diverse make up and that classes know their roles. No, that is not a dig at any one person or class in general. If you feel the need to be offended go for it. After a few go down freeps pull back towards the keep, you push and keep attacking. Granted with Dealarr you do have to count for a fighting retreat and not just a full out "Oh noes ####!" but at least then you get your action. Best case scenario for you, freeps wait to release as they pray for that extra 1 or 2 points of renown and you still have the numbers to quickly clear the hall and possibly the main floor before they start streaming in to feed the craid.

All I am saying is that two sides sitting and staring at each other makes for dull moors, not that this situation was ideal and I already stated that I think the freeps were being lazy. If you aren't going to fight why form a raid and why go to the moors? And don't give me the tired excuse of "this is my main." Sure there is only so much you can do to try and improve what you see as a bad (read: boring) pvp situation but from what I saw and what I am hearing here, there is a lot more you could do.

Once the new Goblin class is here its going to be a different game

"Goblin scored a devastating hit with Epic Inferno on Dealarr for 6,345 points of Fire damage to morale."

Originally Posted by distillered

I did congratulate you because I think as a player, you're great. I just wish you'd bring that same spirit to your raid leading.

Also, you wonder why I stopped joining your groups after that one and only raid? Well. I thought my previous post made that one quite clear.

Be honest, which FF crew goes out there now? I know Floydros, Aurelian and Blaelock does, Eaola sometimes. The point is not whether you join my group or not. Besides, there are also other FEMALE players that are happy to do so. As a woman you should understand what I mean, things take time, all things.

Originally Posted by Dealarr

Be honest, which FF crew goes out there now? I know Floydros, Aurelian and Blaelock does, Eaola sometimes. The point is not whether you join my group or not. Besides, there are also other FEMALE players that are happy to do so. As a woman you should understand what I mean, things take time, all things.

I haven't been out in the Moors in maybe 3 days.

And as a woman I should understand what, that you are not responding to anything I posted in reference to the original topic of this thread and you are instead trying to attack me as a person to regain your "dignity"?

Go back on topic. I will do the same.

Sorry for the derail.

Originally Posted by distillered

I haven't been out in the Moors in maybe 3 days.

And as a woman I should understand what, that you are not responding to anything I posted in reference to the original topic of this thread and you are instead trying to attack me as a person to regain your "dignity"?

Go back on topic. I will do the same.

Sorry for the derail.

I assume you view me calling out your "very rare appearances in the moors part and you should come more often to understand what is going on before speaking" as the attack right? Yea, it's called getting both sides of the story.

Meraith scored a devastating hit with Oh No You Didn't on Dealarr for 6,345 points of Lightning damage to morale

Originally Posted by Dealarr

I assume you view me calling out your "very rare appearances in the moors part and you should come more often to understand what is going on before speaking" as the attack right? Yea, it's called getting both sides of the story.

Suggestion: Stop posting. I know you don't care but you are looking like a totes jerk mate.

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I was playing burg when the 2 raids had the stand off.
I was camo'd near TRW trying to frag some green BA's in the creep raid...
As a observer without bias, creeps have every right to be frustrated.

Forget your "pride" (lol) freeps, keeps mean nothing. Stop hugging 'em.
Grow some real virtual cojones. Kill stuff.

Originally Posted by Vanacor

Suggestion: Stop posting. I know you don't care but you are looking like a totes jerk mate.

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I was playing burg when the 2 raids had the stand off.
I was camo'd near TRW trying to frag some green BA's in the creep raid...
As a observer without bias, creeps have every right to be frustrated.

Forget your "pride" (lol) freeps, keeps mean nothing. Stop hugging 'em.
Grow some real virtual cojones. Kill stuff.

Pretty much sums up my thoughts exactly. +Rep to you sir, since I'm to lazy to post in my own words.

Originally Posted by Vanacor

Suggestion: Stop posting. I know you don't care but you are looking like a totes jerk mate.

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I was playing burg when the 2 raids had the stand off.
I was camo'd near TRW trying to frag some green BA's in the creep raid...
As a observer without bias, creeps have every right to be frustrated.

Forget your "pride" (lol) freeps, keeps mean nothing. Stop hugging 'em.
Grow some real virtual cojones. Kill stuff.

-rep for using the word "totes".

I dont care about words that retired players said.
we just challenging with pug group.
You're Old Great Players but now I doubt it.
Anyway, I want to meet more various people in the moors.

Originally Posted by Dealarr

Please write more essays, I enjoy reading them.

LOL! I have to partially agree with Dealarr here, as this has been quite an enjoyable read! However, it's DEALARR who's kept me in stitches! He presents one argument, several posters refute said argument, and without missing a beat he conveniently ignores what's been refuted and moves on to another argument, and once he's been backed into a corner without any logical counterpoint left to present, he resorts to personal attacks instead. Brilliant strategy!!

Dealarr's tactical genius is right up there with Paulus and Varro at the Battle of Cannae! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Cannae

Originally Posted by Vanacor

Suggestion: Stop posting. I know you don't care but you are looking like a totes jerk mate.

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I was playing burg when the 2 raids had the stand off.
I was camo'd near TRW trying to frag some green BA's in the creep raid...
As a observer without bias, creeps have every right to be frustrated.

Forget your "pride" (lol) freeps, keeps mean nothing. Stop hugging 'em.
Grow some real virtual cojones. Kill stuff.

Galuf with all due respect, stay out of this, you are taking it in at face value and not knowing whats going on.

Originally Posted by Ronin_T2T

LOL! I have to partially agree with Dealarr here, as this has been quite an enjoyable read! However, it's DEALARR who's kept me in stitches! He presents one argument, several posters refute said argument, and without missing a beat he conveniently ignores what's been refuted and moves on to another argument, and once he's been backed into a corner without any logical counterpoint left to present, he resorts to personal attacks instead. Brilliant strategy!!

Dealarr's tactical genius is right up there with Paulus and Varro at the Battle of Cannae! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Cannae

Woo! Do I get rep since I knew what you were talking about. History majors FTW!

Originally Posted by wasimakram

l0l skeev please stop posting you are making a fool of yourself.

Believe or not i know i was being an idiot. i wish you would've helped derail/end this thread. Now there's more moors drama because EVERYONE has to be right instead of enjoying themselves /heavysigh. Progress: 0 Discontent: >9000

All this thread has accomplished is singling people out. which just flares tempers.... clearly

Originally Posted by Dealarr

Galuf with all due respect, stay out of this, you are taking it in at face value and not knowing whats going on.

Do you even know whats going on??

Caveat lector, whole thread. Criticize raid leaders when you're willing to take your own advice and lead, much less pug.

Theere are quite difference between pre made raid and pug raid.
I saw 2 experienced creep duo got 5 solo freeps. LOTRO was changed more deeply for "skilled players".
You cant get anything while you are inside your brain. The best way to know is playing there.

Anyway, We can improve our fight styles. I want to fight with Dealarr and pug raid.
There are lots of fun and Friendship/kindness.

Originally Posted by FKing

Do you even know whats going on??

Yes I do. To start protecting my own dignity would mean I would have to criticize the make up of my team. How many of those in the so called Class A or Kins with sets of balls have their mains on a 3rd age? Let alone good jewellery?

Lead a pug raid, almost everyday ever since BA's was powered up straight post RoI when we were undergeared, then tell me why we play the way we have to play. Fair enough, I agree this book freeps are overpowered however I still would like some of you to check the gears of the our team if you get the chance. Once you have seen them, then estimate the amount of skill or willingness they would like to invest in the game or character for that matter. Those that fight regularly in my raid knows I charge when I know I can win, or not when Yicky is leading.

My beef with some specific creeps is part of my strategy, so it would be unwise to get caught up in it because it has nothing to do with you.

Im pretty sure the creep raid was also what you would call, a pug. In fact, worse then a pug considering low (to no) rank creeps are always present.

If your bad, your bad, just face the facts so you can try and improve.

Is this the gang up on Dealarr thread? The QQ coming from creepside about Dealarr is CLEARLY nothing new and could be copy\pasted from numerous threads about every raid leader freepside has ever had. I don't think creeps will be happy unless freeps were to just walk out of GV past the one shots and lay down while you kill us. You may not like him or the way he does things, but I don't really think that we need a thread about it every time you get butt hurt. At least he steps up and leads during a time when there are not many people that are willing to. As for the freeps that are jumping on the bandwagon...I don't remember seeing any of you leading raids, who are you to criticize?

Originally Posted by lionoil

Im pretty sure the creep raid was also what you would call, a pug. In fact, worse then a pug considering low (to no) rank creeps are always present.

If your bad, your bad, just face the facts so you can try and improve.

Of course they are pugs, they are all out of touch veterans who came back that night because of a SWTOR fail. Not to mention creeps are P2W now. I don't know if I am bad or not Orak but I try to have principles, I mean I won't lose my kin mates over a woman. That's what I wouldn't do and try to recreate ANV after because all this to her is just a game. She has you by your nads.

Originally Posted by Dealarr

Of course they are pugs, they are all out of touch veterans who came back that night because of a SWTOR fail. Not to mention creeps are P2W now. I don't know if I am bad or not Orak but I try to have principles, I mean I won't lose my kin mates over a woman. That's what I wouldn't do and try to recreate ANV after because all this to her is just a game. She has you by your nads.

Dealarr, you once asked to be your second-in-command and keep you in check. I am forced to call upon this duty: you sir have officially entered the realm of douchebaggery, i am forced to ask you to stop now or i shall give out your facebook profile.
-hugs and kisses, Skeev

Originally Posted by Dealarr

Of course they are pugs, they are all out of touch veterans who came back that night because of a SWTOR fail. Not to mention creeps are P2W now. I don't know if I am bad or not Orak but I try to have principles, I mean I won't lose my kin mates over a woman. That's what I wouldn't do and try to recreate ANV after because all this to her is just a game. She has you by your nads.

Originally Posted by Ronin_T2T View Post
LOL! I have to partially agree with Dealarr here, as this has been quite an enjoyable read! However, it's DEALARR who's kept me in stitches! He presents one argument, several posters refute said argument, and without missing a beat he conveniently ignores what's been refuted and moves on to another argument, and once he's been backed into a corner without any logical counterpoint left to present, he resorts to personal attacks instead. Brilliant strategy!!

Dealarr's tactical genius is right up there with Paulus and Varro at the Battle of Cannae.
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For someone who tells others to not speak without the facts, id dare say you just went back on your so called, Principles?

QQ bc your fighting creeps, ok nice start god anything else?

I agree, When Vyxe comes out all the Freeps go to PVE land unless someone steps up.. You may not like him or the way he does things, but I don't really think that we need a thread about it every time you get butt hurt. At least he steps up and leads during a time when there are not many people that are willing to.<Today, 01:43 AMTarod> As for FF/Uprising I have not seen any out beside the ones looking to faceroll R0-R4 creeps and yes u know who u are...
If you have any question u can PM me Leader of the Noobers!!!!!!
Lets get real people......

Originally Posted by Academy

Dealarr, you once asked to be your second-in-command and keep you in check. I am forced to call upon this duty: you sir have officially entered the realm of douchebaggery, i am forced to ask you to stop now or i shall give out your facebook profile.
-hugs and kisses, Skeev

I apologise profusely, and that position is still open. Bah douchebag, everyone has a little douchebag in them. No one's perfect.

Originally Posted by lionoil

Originally Posted by Ronin_T2T View Post
LOL! I have to partially agree with Dealarr here, as this has been quite an enjoyable read! However, it's DEALARR who's kept me in stitches! He presents one argument, several posters refute said argument, and without missing a beat he conveniently ignores what's been refuted and moves on to another argument, and once he's been backed into a corner without any logical counterpoint left to present, he resorts to personal attacks instead. Brilliant strategy!!

Dealarr's tactical genius is right up there with Paulus and Varro at the Battle of Cannae.
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For someone who tells others to not speak without the facts, id dare say you just went back on your so called, Principles?

QQ bc your fighting creeps, ok nice start god anything else?

I know it hurts, because you won't consider it an attack but rather a fact right? I mean it did happened didn't it? I only heard about this from people. Wasn't around.

Originally Posted by Dealarr

I know it hurts, because you won't consider it an attack but rather a fact right? I mean it did happened didn't it? I only heard about this from people. Wasn't around.

Oh how quick those Principles crumble.
Fall on your sword any faster?

Thats it, time to pull my own pants down.

Schwing schwing!!

Originally Posted by lionoil

Oh how quick those Principles crumble.
Fall on your sword any faster?

What are you talking about? I know it was a personal attack. Even admitting it. It's just I don't like the fact you try to poach my kin members by down talking their abilities to play and try to get them to come to your kin. You do remember how quickly soulsearch-1 moved out of yours after that time yea?