Re: Riders of Rohan - Too Litte, Too Late; Also Known as "My Kin Just Disbanded"
if you dont like swtor why do you play it ... and rant about here ...
isnt it a bit silly to rant about a game 10 times more people are
enjoying right now, here where are only people that will willingly agree to you?
also, you are totally wrong ...
as you may not understand, crafting in swtor is a way to enhance and specialize YOUR OWN
char more ina aspesific way ...
I always craft things ahead of my own level and I craft the best items I can get for my level
on my own ...
right, purple items require a lot of rare mats wich are not easy or fast to aquuire, thats the reason
why purple modifications, enhancments and crystzal for instance will never be available en masse
in the Market ... you will only have acces to them if you craft them yourself ...
so you cleasly cant understand the mechanics of the game and trying to apply the things you
know from here maybe, thus you fail ...
and for the mirrored classes, thats not entirly true ... and get this, while Jedi-Knight and Sith-
warrior have essentially the same moves, they do have different animations ! ... now compare that
to here, where even diffenrt classes share the same animations (lame) ...
jedis are swift and elegant, sith are physical and powerfuel in there movments ...
of course, you can find a lot of things that make your VW-Golf from 1986 look better as the Benz from
2010 from your perspective ... but you know, doesnt make you look so good, ok?
Re: Riders of Rohan - Too Litte, Too Late; Also Known as "My Kin Just Disbanded"
Originally Posted by LadyDena
LOTRO needs to be saved from Turbine and WarnerBrothers.
You must have been asleep, that battle was lost a long time ago, as recent additions to the Store, and the truly mealy-mouthed justification for it, amply prove.
Re: Riders of Rohan - Too Litte, Too Late; Also Known as "My Kin Just Disbanded"
Having played WoW for a long while, seeing guilds disband prior to an expansion was a common sight. Raise of lvl cap, stat and char system redesign every xpack, changes to raid sizes (40man to 25man), raid gear becoming obsolete by new quest greens... people suddenly realized the pointlessness of it all. Yet the game is far from dead afaik. I'd imagine Lotro is impacted far less by this as it always used to be less raid centric than WoW. In Lotro players quit and kins disband due to lack of content.
Were I a hardcore raider (I wouldn't play this game in the first place, but nvm that) with a maxed perfect 1A LI I'd be pretty frustrated that there is no content to use my perfect 1A LI apart from the very instance where I got it to begin with.
Re: Riders of Rohan - Too Litte, Too Late; Also Known as "My Kin Just Disbanded"
Originally Posted by enginekid
You play WoW? Then this might make you laugh a bit. I don't play WoW, never have, but a recent review of TOR had this to say. The skills on the left are from SWTOR Sith Marauder (warrior). They mirror almost exactly the skills from WoW Warrior:
By design and definition, a clone of World of Warcraft
The surrounding pictures speak for themselves. The Sith Warrior is a copy and paste of the Warrior from World of Warcraft with minor changes. So what is the problem? The Old Republic did this for multiple classes and just stole the whole setup. They also did the same for many other things. These include:
WoW Priest vs TOR Jedi Sage.
WoW Shaman vs TOR Sith Sorcerer.
The basic look of some areas.
The basic interface.
As you can see below, some equipment. Those armors are from two different games.
Many more sections such as commerce, although to be fair WoW took some of them from other games as well.
Yeah, I used to play a bit back in vanilla, and played most recently for most of the year prior to RoI coming out. But I also recall seeing a talent tree that looked damn similar to WoW's as well. To be honest, I really have no intention of playing TOR - even though several of my RL friends are. Most of the reason is that, well, I'm not exactly a huge Star Wars fan to start, but if I were going to play a Star Wars MMO, it would be within the time frame of the original trilogy. Yes, perhaps I should've played Galaxies when it was out - but that doesn't make me want to explore the world of KOTOR any more than I have already (both of those I found somewhat entertaining).
More to the point - It's just sad that any MMO company would go that far to copy WoW, when - to be honest, what they're copying has practically nothing to do with why WoW is as popular as it is. WoW's interface is pretty sub standard as it is - which is what makes add-ons so necessary. And classes? the Warrior and the Priest are pretty much the most uninteresting classes there are in WoW. It's just simply sad that Bioware of all companies has to resort to copying interface elements and classes wholesale from WoW in order to make an MMO.
But in the end, I think LotRO and WoW compliment each other nicely. LotRO has more of a "pure" RPG feel to it, with more concentration on story, and (comparatively) beautiful and realistic landscapes and zones. WoW has the competitive nature of their raids and PvP, more content than you can shake a stick at, and tends to be entertaining in its own right. The only time I could see myself trying out a different MMO is if 1) Someone releases a Mechwarrior MMO, 2) Someone releases a pure sci-fi MMO that isn't watered down like Star Wars, fits the MMO genre good (unlike Star Trek), and actually has more gameplay than your average application (unlike EVE), or 3) Bethesda releases an MMO. About that last point: I find the classless gameplay and the advancement in Skyrim incredibly interesting, and something that would be nice to see in an MMO.
Re: Riders of Rohan - Too Litte, Too Late; Also Known as "My Kin Just Disbanded"
Originally Posted by Digital_Utopia
But in the end, I think LotRO and WoW compliment each other nicely. LotRO has more of a "pure" RPG feel to it, with more concentration on story, and (comparatively) beautiful and realistic landscapes and zones. WoW has the competitive nature of their raids and PvP, more content than you can shake a stick at, and tends to be entertaining in its own right. The only time I could see myself trying out a different MMO is if 1) Someone releases a Mechwarrior MMO, 2) Someone releases a pure sci-fi MMO that isn't watered down like Star Wars, fits the MMO genre good (unlike Star Trek), and actually has more gameplay than your average application (unlike EVE), or 3) Bethesda releases an MMO. About that last point: I find the classless gameplay and the advancement in Skyrim incredibly interesting, and something that would be nice to see in an MMO.
I much appreciate the level-less approach of eve (skills go to rank 5 and thats it, allowing younger players to compete with older ones in a specific field of expertise, the older players simply having more fields maxed out).. that would be something for an mmo of my choice.
Re: Riders of Rohan - Too Litte, Too Late; Also Known as "My Kin Just Disbanded"
Originally Posted by hitomo_x3
if you dont like swtor why do you play it ... and rant about here ...
isnt it a bit silly to rant about a game 10 times more people are
enjoying right now,
apparently you didn't even read the OP
TS talks about SWTOR
So, I talked about it.
See how that works?
Originally Posted by hitomo_x3
you are totally wrong ...
Originally Posted by hitomo_x3
you fail ...
You're a swell guy. Clearly your reputation is deserved.
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I point out these articles whenever someone mentions SWOTOR as the go-to MMO these days. I see people are (rightly so in many cases) disappointed in Lotro. The grass is always greener and all that but if you've actually played that game you don't want Turbine to take hints from it.
Every single one of my friends that bought SWTOR has quit after the first month. That's not to say they play Lotro now - Lotro is as niche as you can get, but at least it's unique, not a WoW clone in Tolkien setting.
Re: Riders of Rohan - Too Litte, Too Late; Also Known as "My Kin Just Disbanded"
All games have ebbs and flows, people come and go for lots of reasons, the new bright shiny toy(ie new game release etc)I can not count the number of times i have read and heard "this game will kill" (insert game name), personal circumstances and on and on. The point is at this time,is as i see it,all we are doing is speculating on extremely limited information , we dont have detailed information on an awful lot of what they plan on doing. that being said, what will matter the most, is how they implement the entire expansion. Properly done it will enhance the game as it exists improperly done it will have a negitive impact. I have played many games and survived buyouts, server merges and panics brought on by rampant wild unfounded assumptions,on the status of things. That being said, it is far too early in the game for either doom and gloom or high praise and congratulations. This is not a brand new shiny just out of the game nor a broken beyond repair one either its just mature and stable. all games have issues some are enough to cause you to pull your hair out by the roots others just make you wince. I myself will take the middle road and watch what comes down the road before i decide.
Re: Riders of Rohan - Too Litte, Too Late; Also Known as "My Kin Just Disbanded"
Originally Posted by Rapunzel666
I much appreciate the level-less approach of eve (skills go to rank 5 and thats it, allowing younger players to compete with older ones in a specific field of expertise, the older players simply having more fields maxed out).. that would be something for an mmo of my choice.
Don't get me wrong, I have a lot of respect for EVE. I have yet to see another MMO (or game for that matter) that even comes close to the complexity and options EVE delivers. That being said, my personal choice in a game - whether that be MMO or otherwise, is the type that makes you feel like your character is in a living, breathing world. Despite all that EVE does well, it doesn't deliver in that regard. Not saying that EVE "sucks" because of it - actually, quite the opposite; but for me, personally, it's not something I enjoy.
Re: Riders of Rohan - Too Litte, Too Late; Also Known as "My Kin Just Disbanded"
Originally Posted by Digital_Utopia
Don't get me wrong, I have a lot of respect for EVE. I have yet to see another MMO (or game for that matter) that even comes close to the complexity and options EVE delivers. That being said, my personal choice in a game - whether that be MMO or otherwise, is the type that makes you feel like your character is in a living, breathing world. Despite all that EVE does well, it doesn't deliver in that regard. Not saying that EVE "sucks" because of it - actually, quite the opposite; but for me, personally, it's not something I enjoy.
Re: Riders of Rohan - Too Litte, Too Late; Also Known as "My Kin Just Disbanded"
I do think that even though SWTOR has limited graphics settings options, the actual graphics look nice, and the character models are nice.
I wish LOTRO could update the character models. The game is five years old now, and didn't WoW update their graphics after about 5 years? It would be nice if Turbine did!
Here is a comparison of how characters look in the character selection screen of both games.
On the left is Jedi Sentinel, on the right my Lore-Master. both were taken with in-game graphics set to ultra max, and I have high end gfx card set to highest image quality:
Re: Riders of Rohan - Too Litte, Too Late; Also Known as "My Kin Just Disbanded"
Originally Posted by Witch0King
Well if you guys love TOR so much and cant stand lotro anymore why even post in these forums? away with you haters.
Well said, glad to see to pretenders leave so that only the truely faithful will be left behind! If you can't have faith in Turbine you don't belong here. *starts chanting*
Re: Riders of Rohan - Too Litte, Too Late; Also Known as "My Kin Just Disbanded"
Originally Posted by enginekid
I do think that even though SWTOR has limited graphics settings options, the actual graphics look nice, and the character models are nice.
I wish LOTRO could update the character models. The game is five years old now, and didn't WoW update their graphics after about 5 years? It would be nice if Turbine did!
Here is a comparison of how characters look in the character selection screen of both games.
On the left is Jedi Sentinel, on the right my Lore-Master. both were taken with in-game graphics set to ultra max, and I have high end gfx card set to highest image quality:
WoW has updated their graphics - to a point, over the last 7-8 years it's been around. However, with the exception of updating the world buildings to support for flying, and the massive changes that came with Cata, most of that updating has been with textures (both normal maps and diffuse). The original races (Human, Dwarf, Gnome, Night Elf, Undead, Orc, Troll, Tauren) still have the same low polygon count they've had at launch. This gets pretty noticeable when you start comparing them to the newer races, but it's unlikely that these will change, and here's why:
A character that's designed to wear various types of clothing doesn't have a base mesh that these pieces of clothing go over, rather each piece of gear replaces that base mesh part. So if you take off all your gear, and see your character's undershirt, and bare arms - that whole mesh gets replaced by whatever chest piece you put on. What this also means is that for every piece, the mesh vertices have to be "weighed" to the model's "bones" (basically a way of setting up the mesh to deform correctly to the character's animations). If you were to update a character model - you'd have to update every single piece of gear for that gender/race so it would "fit" with everything else. Which would mean that you'd have to go through and re-weigh everything. Needless to say, it's nowhere near a small task - and it just becomes a larger one the longer the game is around.
That being said, LotRO does get graphical improvements from time to time - but it's basically the same kind that WoW gets. Texture improvements, world graphics improvements, etc - because these are the kind of upgrade that's at least feasible.
The downside of the MMO, and its lifespan - is that computers will continue to get remarkably more powerful than when the game first launched. The result is a game that can't help but look dated, compared to one that comes out later on. That's why LotRO (2007) has more detailed models than WoW (2004), and why SWTOR tops LotRO in the same category.
Re: Riders of Rohan - Too Litte, Too Late; Also Known as "My Kin Just Disbanded"
Originally Posted by SuaronTehMighty
Not only has Swtor horrendous texture work, they also use the same model for every single race:
WoW has what these days, 10 or 12 races all with unique models and animations. Lotro at least has 4. Poly count isn't everything.
This is rather funny image. I noticed this as soon as i began playing tor. the only thing you can do is drag the slider at character creation to one of the three other body types. It seems most of the 200 Million spent on the game went into voice acting.
WoW has what these days, 10 or 12 races all with unique models and animations. Lotro at least has 4. Poly count isn't everything.
Yeah, including the upcoming Kung Fu Panda, that would bring the total up to 13.
Someone should clue Bioware in on the idea that flash such as cutscenes and high-quality voice acting should be put on top of solid, quality MMO, not instead of.
Re: Riders of Rohan - Too Litte, Too Late; Also Known as "My Kin Just Disbanded"
Originally Posted by Digital_Utopia
Yeah, including the upcoming Kung Fu Panda, that would bring the total up to 13.
Someone should clue Bioware in on the idea that flash such as cutscenes and high-quality voice acting should be put on top of solid, quality MMO, not instead of.
there was a disgruntled ex-EA developer who posted some rants to message boards before TOR launch. He forewarned that TOR will be a disappointment; that BW & EA spent all their effort on flashy cutscenes and voice acting, but neglected the rest of the MMO part, and he said at all the meetings the brass would spend all their time talking about how amazing the voice acting will be.
many people said this was probably just a hate filled rant. but after playing the game, i can see he wasn't just ranting.
Re: Riders of Rohan - Too Litte, Too Late; Also Known as "My Kin Just Disbanded"
"Lotro will die" has been uttered since day one, yet it's still here.
I feel this has been said countless times but I'll say it regardless.
The fact that lotro is still going and new updates + expansion is on the way after 5 years says a great deal. Sure, I'm not as wired as i was when i started about 4 years ago but one tends to get bored after playing that long anyways (I wonder how many breaks I've had since i started). When new MMO's arrive people will scale the fence to the supposedly greener grass. Some will come back, some will stay, some will get bored by MMO's all together and quit. A good example is Age og Conan (never tried it myself).
It's too bad that the OP's kin disbanded but it happens. My kin has luckily held together even though it's had its major ups and downs. It's one of the things that's kept me here in fact. But as much as i long for the old "glory days" with old kin members, that time has passed. So instead of: leave kin, delete characters, end subscription, delete game, I take a break and log in later to see if my interest has increased again. I realized that I've invested too much time in lotro to simply abandon it forever. LOTRO won't live forever but it has the potential to keep going for a long time.
"Real knowledge is to know the extent of ones ignorance"
Re: Riders of Rohan - Too Litte, Too Late; Also Known as "My Kin Just Disbanded"
Originally Posted by enginekid
This is rather funny image. I noticed this as soon as i began playing tor. the only thing you can do is drag the slider at character creation to one of the three other body types. It seems most of the 200 Million spent on the game went into voice acting.
What, those are the body types? Yuck, no weird allien or short allien? Nah thanks I stick with LOTRO.
Re: Riders of Rohan - Too Litte, Too Late; Also Known as "My Kin Just Disbanded"
Originally Posted by Zydrate
This.
Posts like these make new players considering the game to turn away.
Then they would be turned away from every single MMO(RP)G out there because the critics and the world is ending, ragequit rant posts etc. here aren't any more or worse than on any other big MMO's boards (my personal perception is it's even a lot less here but this may be skewed due to lower amount of players so less chance they post on the forums).
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WoW has what these days, 10 or 12 races all with unique models and animations. Lotro at least has 4. Poly count isn't everything.
Like I always said since first I saw the character choices in TOR: differently coloured humans doesn't make aliens. Ridges on forehead or on the nose is Star Trek, not Star Wars.
I want my Rodian smuggler and my Wookie commando back!
Re: Riders of Rohan - Too Litte, Too Late; Also Known as "My Kin Just Disbanded"
bioware only figured that sane people are less likly to want to play
'abomination-classes' like hobbits or dwarfes (hence lotro never reached 1million subs)
and even if the posted pic makes it look strange ... there are still many more options
to inividulize your char then in Lotro ... you can actually create 'fat' or 'thin' chars ...
yeah, makes you look pretty 'uninformed' ranting about a game you never played,
ranting about details you may only see from the distance, not fully understanding
whats happening over there ... (cause you need to pay to enter *giggle*)
Re: Riders of Rohan - Too Litte, Too Late; Also Known as "My Kin Just Disbanded"
Yeah, you can stretch the model with 3 sliders - zomg limitless customization possibilities. Have a look at EVE's character generator and weep, biodrone.
Re: Riders of Rohan - Too Litte, Too Late; Also Known as "My Kin Just Disbanded"
Originally Posted by enginekid
there was a disgruntled ex-EA developer who posted some rants to message boards before TOR launch. He forewarned that TOR will be a disappointment; that BW & EA spent all their effort on flashy cutscenes and voice acting, but neglected the rest of the MMO part, and he said at all the meetings the brass would spend all their time talking about how amazing the voice acting will be.
many people said this was probably just a hate filled rant. but after playing the game, i can see he wasn't just ranting.
Y'know, I think I remember hearing about that when it happened - of course, at that time I wasn't going to be surprised if it ended up being another DNF, or HL2:EP3, with the amount of delays they were having, despite the nearly frantic hype.
Originally Posted by hitomo_x3
bioware only figured that sane people are less likly to want to play
'abomination-classes' like hobbits or dwarfes (hence lotro never reached 1million subs)
and even if the posted pic makes it look strange ... there are still many more options
to inividulize your char then in Lotro ... you can actually create 'fat' or 'thin' chars ...
yeah, makes you look pretty 'uninformed' ranting about a game you never played,
ranting about details you may only see from the distance, not fully understanding
whats happening over there ... (cause you need to pay to enter *giggle*)
greetz
Except, from LotRO to even WoW, even if you don't include the much better example of Galaxies, only someone dead set on attempting to stick up for SWToR will easily tell that the number of people picking "abombination" classes so-to-speak, makes up a sizable portion of the playerbase. Especially with WoW, considering only two of the 12 races wouldn't qualify under that category (i.e. Blood Elf/Human).
With the exception of having a fat or thin character, the point remains that none of the races have a unique body-type, meaning that every race is the same, except for the head. Customization wise, it's basically equal to LotRO - with the exception of a slider instead of a color picker for color changes, which does limit customization.
To be honest, right now it doesn't even matter if it requires a subscription or not. You, or anybody else for that matter, has yet to give an accurate reason why SWTOR isn't just a sub-standard WoW clone, with high maintenance voice acting and cutscenes taking the place of any actual ingenuity. While it's touching that Bioware went through so much effort to duplicate the net result of the Lucas-governed prequels, the point was that the prequels sucked, mostly due to special effects being a higher priority than story - which, from the sound of it, is exactly what Bioware is doing with SWTOR.
Maybe there is more to it than I think there is, but it's not very encouraging to see such a fanboy have to resort to lies or half-truths in order to stick up for the game. To be honest, I could make a better case for WoW, and on these forums, that's saying a lot.
Re: Riders of Rohan - Too Litte, Too Late; Also Known as "My Kin Just Disbanded"
SW:TOR is the world best bestest bestester bestestesteresterest MMO in the whole wide world.
With the best grafic and the best gameplay, I've ever seen in an MMO.
The world bestestestestest AI in one MMO: SW:TOR!
I would pay 20 Billion Dollar for this game...
Re: Riders of Rohan - Too Litte, Too Late; Also Known as "My Kin Just Disbanded"
Originally Posted by Hecki
SW:TOR is the world best bestest bestester bestestesteresterest MMO in the whole wide world.
With the best grafic and the best gameplay, I've ever seen in an MMO.
The world bestestestestest AI in one MMO: SW:TOR!
I would pay 20 Billion Dollar for this game...
Re: Riders of Rohan - Too Litte, Too Late; Also Known as "My Kin Just Disbanded"
Originally Posted by LadyDena
So based on even the most pessimistic view here, people will be able to find these hardest to obtain mats as well as schematics in that game WAY easier than the odds of an average person being able to get a Repair Clasp crafted here in this game.
Nothing beat a bit of perspective to show where the truly ridiculous is I guess.
Yeah, ok. You're comparing regular (if high-end) crafting mats to the single rarest crafting mat in all of LOTRO, a special aspect of the currently hardest raid in the whole game? Perspective, try it yourself. Yeesh.
Re: Riders of Rohan - Too Litte, Too Late; Also Known as "My Kin Just Disbanded"
Originally Posted by enginekid
I do think that even though SWTOR has limited graphics settings options, the actual graphics look nice, and the character models are nice.
I wish LOTRO could update the character models. The game is five years old now, and didn't WoW update their graphics after about 5 years? It would be nice if Turbine did!
Here is a comparison of how characters look in the character selection screen of both games.
On the left is Jedi Sentinel, on the right my Lore-Master. both were taken with in-game graphics set to ultra max, and I have high end gfx card set to highest image quality:
Hrm, I think mine looks a bit better than yours, and roughly comparable to the SW pic, just different art styles:
Is the SW face in motion like the LOTRO faces? If not, much less realistic.
Re: Riders of Rohan - Too Litte, Too Late; Also Known as "My Kin Just Disbanded"
Originally Posted by Vandervahn
A simple fact of life is that everything will wear out its novelty once in a while, and the faster you consume, the faster this point approaches.
Good point Vandervahn.
Every player has their own playing style. Turbine has done a good job of trying to encompass those differences. If you rush through it just to get to the end you will most likely be unfulfilled with what you find.
This game isn't going to die off any time soon. Definitely not because of the threat of another game. The core reason for that is because the content is based on Tolkien's works, which makes it something very special, even if every little detail is not conforming exactly with the books.
Sure, it's not perfect, but it's still a great game to be enjoyed for what it is, not bashed for what it is not.
Re: Riders of Rohan - Too Litte, Too Late; Also Known as "My Kin Just Disbanded"
Smells like selective reading, rather. Turbine did announce a new region+questpack+combat mechanic for a spring release. Also a new anniversary festival. And also more to come during the year which they do not want to disclose yet - take from that what you want.
If you want to rant, at least get your facts right.
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