In our kin we done draigoch 12 times yet, and 5 of these times it bugged at phase 3 respectively at 279k, 500k, 104k, 600k and 450k (last time yesterday evening). To clarify some things:
- We DONT use any pets, rk stones etc etc..
- We DONT do any fsm more than the correct ones.
- We DONT target the head during p3 so its not that script error.
It seems to bug always at the last claw's run in phase 3, he comes up after he falled down and he goes braindead, not moving or reacting to anything. 5 times that it bugs like this after an hour of wasting our time there. First times we found a polite GM who explained us about osme bugs, and it was ok. Yesterday night a GM came (took 20 mins to come anyways), spammed some auto messages, then answered with pretty much arrogance to our questions and when we asked him a question he went offline saying Have a good Day. Is this a turbine GM or what? We were really surprised about this and made no comments about it.
We spend our time in a half bugged raid, which costs even 1250 TP! I really enjoy how the fight is and the istance, but really it cant be like that everytime or 1/2 of the times. We know many people that got same problem and many people who run it weekly with no problem (and we learned it from one of those kins anyways) so we dont do it wrong in any way.
At least make a system that allows chests to spawn when he is going to die and bugs, or a loot system or something like that because it has really no sense keeping it like that.
If anyone had the same problem and same bug, please share your comments and opinions about it ^^
We noticed that we opened the instance at 21:25 (started around 22:15) and bugged at 23:25 (just yesterday night), so someone of us thought about a time limit bug, but there have been way longer runs in the past, expecially first times..
Thanks in advance.
P.S.
I filmed the bug so I could post it if needed and if it could really help, here's a screen taken from the video in the while I upload it...
Yeah exactly, it's really frustrating expecially if you lead it. Nuking it doesnt work, claws become not 'targetable' as u see in the screen, so cannot be harmed after 30s. Btw with 2 hours I mean 'opened', since we opened it like half an hour before since 2 people were missing and we had just one burg
If this is happening constantly then it is a member of ur raid team, useing a skill that is bugging,
looking at ur group set up, i would think that maybe someone in ur team was useing forced agro.
please remember, a bugging skill doesnt need to be used at the point of the bug, but it could be used at the start of the fight, thus when getting to ~600k morale bugging out.
iv seen this lots of times where the tank has forced agro on the head, right at the start, then when we get to -1mil morale, he buggs, since no one is now doing this, draigoch has not bugged out for last 2 month
OR
rk (the incombat one) Can bug him
but please think about it, if its constantly bugging for ur group then you or a member of ur team is doing somthing wrong, other groups have never had him bug out yet some group he always does, so there is a skill / timeing / sumthing that there doing, that the other groups arnt
Thanks for the reply, I didnt get exactly what you meant, but maybe that's the problem we encounter..Could you describe it better and detailed? Thanks a lot !
Hello!
Can i ask if there's an official list of "forbidden skills" in draigoch?
When i heard it was fixed, i supposed it was ok.
Really...we paid for a long, repetitive raid, with a necessary loot for my kinnies. I like doing it, indeed, but i really hate wasting many hours for nothing (specially for whom still need draig tokens).
I can understand we can provide what doing or not doing to avoid the bug. But while we do this, we certainly expect you are fixing this problem. Cause this raid wasn't free...or i paid for an imperfect merchandise?
If it needs more time to fix,ok...but while we're waiting and gambling if "it will work right this evening", try to find an alternative answer, please (Have a good Day is not right for example ).
Tonight, on french server, it 's the second time that Draigoch bugged in a week for our kinship. I know that nobody used forced aggro on the head during the fight, because I was the guardian. I've put those skills in another bar. Tonight, Draigoch has bugged with 12 000 hit points left.
The last patch changed nothing.
A GM sent us an automatic answer, inviting us to submit a bug report (what I've done).
If somebody knows about an "official" list of "forbidden" skills on Draigoch, he'll be welcome.
Draigoch's lair is a very frustrating bugged raid.
Yes exactly, and no one of us did force aggro on draigoch's head also... And like you said, after the patch nothing changed, it's exactly the same like before so I really dont believe about the patch. And like others said..if there is a 'forbidden skills' list or something similar we would be glad to know it!
EAsiest way to avoid bugs, nuke it faster... If he still bugs you haven't lost so much times. Even if you shortman it with one burg it shouldn't take any more than 50 mins
The longer a raid takes the higher chance of something going wrong. Also in phase 3 use range dps to get the paws down don't have the mele stand under his belly that apparently can bug him.
We never had it go braindead, but did encouter 2 strange bugs.
Once after a wipe he posistioned himself wrong.
His left claw would be on right platform, and his right claw would be somewhere on the wall.
We could target them however on the place where he should be.
We took him down once, to see if he would be alright once he got up.
Wasn't the case, he was still on the wrong spot.
We called it a night because it would be hard to read hit tells and it was getting late.
Another bug was in phase 3, which almost caused us to wipe but we managed to pull through and finish him.
When we took down the last claw, he should go down.
We could all target his body and attack it, but it seemed the claws remained active ( and all fully healed) and he didnt actually go down ( animation)
We regrouped near his tail, and took down the claws again ( after some rezzes)
I have no idea anymore what causes him to bug.
We stopped doing FM's after the 12 because I read he can bug out from that. ( and they don't seem to do that much.)
From out second bug it seems the claws and head are different mobs than his body.
I mean that once all 4 claws are down they are removed form the area and replaced with his body.
After a while his body goes away and the claws and head return.
Feels like they programmed him in a way that had a high possibility of bugging.
But what do I know, I can't even program my washing machine.
After reading your post, set up and comments I still don't see how it took a hour and 30 minutes.
With complete pugs it takes no longer than 45-50 minutes with one burg.
Having said that I'm sure there was a few things going on.
However, because of the longness of the fight that could be something that caused it.
Nuke faster doesn't necessarily mean he won't bug, but since Draigoch v1 we've been able to nuke each paw in less than 15 seconds even from the start when they have no debuffs. We also manage to take atleast two paws every time.
Not only that we also run with cappy banners out, RK stones, Pets and everything that has said to bug it and 85 runs later no bugs for us yet.
When he bugs out just /bug report it and all leave the instence, open a new one and try again. Don't just retreat and start in the same instence. THAT usually helps most people yet, they don't do it because the momment he bugs they flame on the forums.
-Thore.
Gilrain - Draigoch First 13/10/2011
Celestrata - Surprise, it's not a glitch!
Thore, we always kill 2 claws in one 'round' we dont have a dps problem, if we run it normally we take around 50 minutes, with 2 burgs. If we run it with one burg, we take 1 hour or 1h10 and we take it easy and surely not in hurry.
We done it not 85 times, but in 12 times it bugged 5. We done it even 2 times in a night restarting the istance but we cant waste an hour everytime to do it..I mean, that's really annoying and nonsense for a raid we paid for.
We have no idea about why it bugs, and we done it with your allied kin so we are sure we do it in the correct way in every step...
Last night, third phase 571k morale left. Paws were targetable for a bit but after 1m30s nothing was targetable. /bugged
One mini had a ton of lag (seriously a ton) and the RK was dropping his/her stone. Not sure if either contributed to the issue but those conditions were present.
Last time we done it was first week of january...now about 7 or 8 times bugged, that's at least 32 scales also a good part of cloaks for kinnies...
The thing is that Turbine seems to not even listening to complains, because we always get same answers since not weeks, but months. And instead of correcting those script bugs, what comes? Riders of Rohan, another 30 euro expansion that will be like this? I will surely wait for it to be TESTED and secure before buy anything like the big mistake I did with RoI. And a lot of people think it like this way...
If Turbine would answer us with a clear answer, like a loot refund, or a TP refund at least then we wouldnt complain anymore, or tell us when the fix will come, already 5 months since RoI release and no improvements? I have really no words about it. Can Turbine please whats the situation and if this raid will be fixed before rohan?
Funny occurence yesterday, and although we have quite the experience with the Goat bugging (50%+ of ALL runs before patch were bugged - at least teaches how to do it fast...), we had a new variety yesterday...
Basically, we seem to have DPS´ed in one body stage that started in Phase 1 right through into Phase 3, skipping the 2nd Phase. What happened then was that he first positioned himself for Phase 3 (taking us quite by surprise) and his claws became attackable. THEN he started to jiggle around again, until positioning himself on the wall holes again. The attackable claw spots however were still on the floor of the lair; after killing two of those, he went completely braindead.
Here you can see the Phrase "Insolent worms! Think you that you can harm me?" that occurs after a normal body stage, directly followed by the "Cowards! Stand and fight me!" thing he utters when going into Phase 3. Well, at least it made for a nice screenshot:
I'm always baffled by these threads, because I've only seen him bug 1 time in over 50 fights, and that was due to a huge lag spike, where we were all frozen for about 20 seconds.
And I've been in all sorts of runs--quick heavy DPS 12-mans, slower 7-mans, runs where we spend 30 minutes fixing mistakes and rezzing people because it's 4am and half of us are drunk, and even one that took over 3 hours that ended with 3 people alive and 9 of us watching from a ledge.
But just the 1 bug.
Some of us just must be really lucky, or else lots of groups are doing something different that bugs him out. I feel for all the people who end up wasting their time, either way.
For the record, we always have RK stones/LM pets out, and we always fight the paws in phase 3 from under his body. We've had people take the Captain/RK rezzes and get sent to the front entrance and still not have Draig bug.
That's pretty much the only rule we have--no Cry of Vengeance or DNF rezzes--and even then, I've been known to get away with it if I make sure they don't accept until Draig's body is on the floor and there's no chance I'll be bouncing around when they accept.
Work like no one is watching, dance like you don't need the money...
This has happened to us three times in a row to my kin now. Twice last night and once tonight. Always in phase 3. Pretty awesome to waste about an hour of your time for nothing.
looking at ur group set up, i would think that maybe someone in ur team was useing forced agro.
please remember, a bugging skill doesnt need to be used at the point of the bug, but it could be used at the start of the fight, thus when getting to ~600k morale bugging out.
iv seen this lots of times where the tank has forced agro on the head, right at the start, then when we get to -1mil morale, he buggs, since no one is now doing this, draigoch has not bugged out for last 2 month
This isn't true. I try not to use force taunts but I have forgotten during fights and hit challenge, it never bugged out on those fights. The raid is clearly buggy and I think it's safe to say it isn't one particular skill or pet that causes Draigoch to bug out all the time, if it was I'm sure it would have been fixed by now.
As other people have mentioned I think the best way to avoid problems is to complete it as fast as possible. A good group can finish it in like 20 minutes.
has anyone successfully beaten Draigoch this week?
Yep. Our kin did it on Fri in 18 min. We did the last 4 FM's in the 3rd stage. We actually had to slow down to make sure we got the last 2 in. I think the ones that see it bug are definitely in the minority on this issue, however I am a firm believer the faster you kill this thing, the less opportunity for it to bug is there.
I don't know, our last attempt was well under half an hour before he bugged. For weeks we had no problems at all killing him, even in our first hour+ long attempts when we first started working on him, but this week, this week its just nothing but bugging out.
Yet again, bugging out in phase third. Only went up twice in phase three. This is getting really old, and I'm tempted to just give up on LOTRO until they fix their damned bugs.
It's amazing, 5 months and yet no fixes, we bugged it so many times now in last month...
When will a Turbine member answer and write what's up with that? We get completely ignored by reporting the draigoch bug, and the answer is 'Riders of Rohan' in fall...
Who bought Isengard should get at least a TP refund for this, in 20+ runs we done since december 10 and more bugged, last time we reached to finish it was 3rd january. What must we do to dont let him bug? We tried everything possible and lost approx. 40 draigoch scales. That's...13 cloaks for a kin? Nvmd...
We ran it twice last night, first time bugged, second time success. In both runs, we did not use any LM pets/RK stones/Cappy Banners during phase 3. (Even though their effect on the dragon is debatable)
Here is what we changed on the second run:
- During phase 3 - no dots
Someone had mentioned that having dots on when he goes to animate causes the glitch and makes him just stand there.
- During phase 3, when the dragon came up off the ground, the tank made sure to actually take damage. He didn't hide in the spot where you don't take damage.
Doing both of those things, we were successful. Hopefully next week, we can try again ONLY doing the second thing and see if that keeps it from bugging out.
On that note, a kinnie made an interesting observation: Everything else in the game goes into "anti-exploit" mode when you are somewhere it can't hit you, but you hit it. Stands to reason that draig also does the same.
Not saying that is exactly what is going on, just food for thought.
It could be the DoT things, thats a good point
We ran it smoothly 2 nights ago for the first time after january...Let's hope the patch fixed something but I seriously doubth it. Let's see.
It could be the DoT things, thats a good point
We ran it smoothly 2 nights ago for the first time after january...Let's hope the patch fixed something but I seriously doubth it. Let's see.
Bugged tonight after the patch update.. so no luck
I will try to apply suggestions in this thread on our next attempt.
New amazing singularities on last saturday (11th): we noticed two rays of Draigoch's eyes (at the same moment) at the startup galleries, and phase 2 started in a strange way (music changed late...).
But it didn't go brain-dead...finally!
We'll test again this way...
Indeed! After many and many and many bugged runs it went down and a few times Draigoch had strange actions, like mixing phase 1 and 2 sentences and still flying after killing all claws (and falling down like 20s later).
Yes phase 3 with 1M morale left. We went slow (only 10 people, not well-geared and for some was the first attempt), but we had the challenge completed. I noticed something strange, but I haven't done it too many times, so maybe it's something usual... in phase 3, after each knockdown, his starting position was not always the same.
Well, with one million left, after his last knockdown, when he got up, after 2-3 seconds the head became untargetable and, after a while, pawns too. We reported to GM but we got the copy & paste answer.
Major part of the bugs seems to happen at phase 3, and after getting up... so I think our next strategy will be to save the last 4 fsm, using first two at 51% morale for opening the phase 3, and last two for finish him. With luck, we will have him knocked down only 1 time, so we can reduce the possibility of get a bug.
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For weeks we had no problems at all killing him, even in our first hour+ long attempts when we first started working on him, but this week, this week its just nothing but bugging out.
Kinless, oh my!
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