Thread: Best of/Worst of Gladden

Originally Posted by PoliticallyIncorrect69

I know its about grouping. Dude, I have no problem with grouping. I DO however have a problem with zerging. Never said anything about having a problem with grouping, but grouping usually indirectly breeds zerging these days, sadly, more times than not, which is why I generally stay away from it.

Then I'm confused as to what we disagree with. :/

I hate zerging.

Zerging is a bi-product of poor balance and lazy people. It's hardly intentional by most people but it happens because population uncontrollable in a grouping pvp situation, when both sides have no communication. So I'm guessing you assume any one who raids only likes to zerg? That's a soloers PoV most likely.

Originally Posted by the_blah

Then I'm confused as to what we disagree with. :/

I hate zerging.

Zerging is a bi-product of poor balance and lazy people. It's hardly intentional by most people but it happens because population uncontrollable in a grouping pvp situation, when both sides have no communication. So I'm guessing you assume any one who raids only likes to zerg? That's a soloers PoV most likely.

Many people get infected with zergyitis from prolonged exposure to bad leading, lack of experience, and the inability to accept a challenging situation. This has happened to those such as Valistar, Glee, etc., but they have actually been responsible for the spread of such a virus. You be surprised how much clarity one gains from a long time of soloing.

Originally Posted by PoliticallyIncorrect69

Many people get infected with zergyitis from prolonged exposure to bad leading, lack of experience, and the inability to accept a challenging situation. This has happened to those such as Valistar, Glee, etc., but they have actually been responsible for the spread of such a virus. You be surprised how much clarity one gains from a long time of soloing.

... and long time raiding. Some times it's just pure epic fun. You have a very one sided perspective imo. Perhaps I do to. I think clarity is best served hot AND cold.

Originally Posted by PoliticallyIncorrect69

Many people get infected with zergyitis from prolonged exposure to bad leading, lack of experience, and the inability to accept a challenging situation. This has happened to those such as Valistar, Glee, etc., but they have actually been responsible for the spread of such a virus. You be surprised how much clarity one gains from a long time of soloing.

Where in the Lorebook can I find rules and regulations for 1v1 fights Vinner? For the life of me I've searched high and low and can't find a reference anywhere for 1v1/solo play in moors.

1v1 evolved into what we have today because of low populations, poor game design, and exploitable mechanics. I acknowledge not everyone is going to agree with that statement however; facts are facts -- class balance in the moors is only achieved during grp/raid play -- if the Devs would reduce infamy/renoun/commendation gain for solo kills many of our 1v1 issues would go away and we could get back to real PVMP.

Calling players out during a 1v1 becasue they healed, potted, used a CD is just dumb because classes are not balanced for 1v1. Quite frankly, I don't think solo class balance is achievable without impacting PVE and raid instances which is what this game is really about.
I'd really like to see the list of 1v1 rules by class of what you're allowed and not allowed to do to each class....that would be the longest post in history of these boards because you'll never get everyone to agree to any of it and I'd get a really good laugh whatching all you knuckheads argue amongst yourselves....to funny just thinking about it.

We can only hope that Devs come to their senses and reduce infamy/renoun that is gained for solo kills....1v1 would die a slow and painful death and all the 1v1 zombies would have to learn to acutally play their class, use buffbars, depend on other players for their survival and have them depend on you. "Teamwork" vinner is what the moors was designed for -- not individual ability.

Devs have already commented changes coming that will drive players to fight vice keep takes and 1v1 play...be ineresting to see what they've come up with.

Val

1 v 1's are based on honor. If you, for lack of a better word, disrespect these rules, you will be looked down upon. Simple as that

Although, this is just a game. If you find yourself getting angry all the time due to people's choice in what they do in a 'video game', maybe you should take a break. Go out with your friends, go see a movie, play a sport. It's much more fun than dealing with the superior lack of intelligence, maturity, and respect from the people on this game.

First off, Val, quit being pretentious with your "searching high and low" b.s. No one needs a description of self imposed rules because as Seredir pointed out, it's pretty much the honor system. 1v1's have not "evolved" (though I'm sure by your context you meant de-evolve) due to anything you pointed out. I am not disputing, however, the claim of class imbalance as any and/or all of the SELF imposed rules are an attempt to mitigate that and to make it fun and challenging for each side.
You're an even bigger idiot than I thought if you think any disposal of renown/infamy from 1v1's would facilitate its death as a vast majority don't 1v1 for the renown/infamy but simply to have fun and be challenged. I realize a challenge for you is in a group environment and finding the SI icon.
So please, do as Seredir said and go to a movie, find a friend, play a sport, hell, go buy yourself another escort so you can take more pics and post them on the forums again.

Originally Posted by blakacdvl

First off, Val, quit being pretentious with your "searching high and low" b.s. No one needs a description of self imposed rules because as Seredir pointed out, it's pretty much the honor system. 1v1's have not "evolved" (though I'm sure by your context you meant de-evolve) due to anything you pointed out. I am not disputing, however, the claim of class imbalance as any and/or all of the SELF imposed rules are an attempt to mitigate that and to make it fun and challenging for each side.
You're an even bigger idiot than I thought if you think any disposal of renown/infamy from 1v1's would facilitate its death as a vast majority don't 1v1 for the renown/infamy but simply to have fun and be challenged. I realize a challenge for you is in a group environment and finding the SI icon.
So please, do as Seredir said and go to a movie, find a friend, play a sport, hell, go buy yourself another escort so you can take more pics and post them on the forums again.

There's nothing pretentious about my statement....they're Turbines rules not mine --- there's nothing in the Lorebook about solo/1v1 moors play -- seems pretty straightforward to me.

You mad bro? BAHAHAHA!

Val

Originally Posted by chosen2

1 v 1's are based on honor. If you, for lack of a better word, disrespect these rules, you will be looked down upon. Simple as that

Although, this is just a game. If you find yourself getting angry all the time due to people's choice in what they do in a 'video game', maybe you should take a break. Go out with your friends, go see a movie, play a sport. It's much more fun than dealing with the superior lack of intelligence, maturity, and respect from the people on this game.

1v1 and honor in the same sentenance...seriously?

Did you mean "Dueling"? Dueling was the prefered method to settle disagreements with honor back in the day....only problem is last time I read The Hobbit and LOTR or watched the movies, I never read about or saw any 1v1's or duels in any of Tolkien's works --- THAT's IT!!!!

1v1's break Lore --- that's why I can't find it in Turbine's Lorebook!!!!

Thanks for straightening that out for me Seredir.

Val

LOLOLOLOL you dismiss 1v1's because they "break lore?" Somehow I'm thinking you and I must be playing a different game if you're enjoying the lore aspect of this. I guess your complete disregard of SI then is because it's lore breaking?
And yes, I am oh so mad, you've just completely ruined my day with your inane babble...

Originally Posted by Eaglehaven

drivel
Val

I remember the other day. Valistar was criticizing the 1v1ers and asked for tells for real pvp. The whole map was red. He then went to DG, focused only on npcs, w/o attacking any of the creeps that were in there. Yup, real pvp.

Originally Posted by the_blah

... and long time raiding. Some times it's just pure epic fun. You have a very one sided perspective imo. Perhaps I do to. I think clarity is best served hot AND cold.

Not really, but ok. I've RAIDED for a very long time clown (bout 8 ranks on my guard), and once I saw they were getting more zergy, I left to solo more (also from lag in raids and I realized how fun it was), so I really gained both perspectives, honestly. Gaining those perspectives is attributed to the time I played in SoA, as I saw things getting worse and worse in pvp and becoming more zergy. The clarity I gained from raiding went progressively from positive to negative unfortunately, as I mainly see raiding usually, as you said, turns into zerging. I joined raids before recently, and its just pathetic to hear what people say in them such as high ranks calling out single ppl, etc.

Originally Posted by Eaglehaven

Where in the Lorebook can I find rules and regulations for 1v1 fights Vinner? For the life of me I've searched high and low and can't find a reference anywhere for 1v1/solo play in moors.

1v1 evolved into what we have today because of low populations, poor game design, and exploitable mechanics. I acknowledge not everyone is going to agree with that statement however; facts are facts -- class balance in the moors is only achieved during grp/raid play -- if the Devs would reduce infamy/renoun/commendation gain for solo kills many of our 1v1 issues would go away and we could get back to real PVMP.

Calling players out during a 1v1 becasue they healed, potted, used a CD is just dumb because classes are not balanced for 1v1. Quite frankly, I don't think solo class balance is achievable without impacting PVE and raid instances which is what this game is really about.
I'd really like to see the list of 1v1 rules by class of what you're allowed and not allowed to do to each class....that would be the longest post in history of these boards because you'll never get everyone to agree to any of it and I'd get a really good laugh whatching all you knuckheads argue amongst yourselves....to funny just thinking about it.

We can only hope that Devs come to their senses and reduce infamy/renoun that is gained for solo kills....1v1 would die a slow and painful death and all the 1v1 zombies would have to learn to acutally play their class, use buffbars, depend on other players for their survival and have them depend on you. "Teamwork" vinner is what the moors was designed for -- not individual ability.

Devs have already commented changes coming that will drive players to fight vice keep takes and 1v1 play...be ineresting to see what they've come up with.

Val

Lol, I don't know what deluded world you live in where you think people are "hacking the 1v1 system for easy rank". It's not easy to get rank from 1v1 val. You have to actually be SKILLED enough to get anything from it, duh. Like I said many times before, I 1v1 for the fun of it. I know you used to 1v1 too, so your pessimistic disregard towards it is laughable. You just realized you sucked finally, and when you knew you couldnt get renown from that, you zerged even more, and because of your jealously, you zerg 1v1ers and have distaste for it.

I said before they should make a LORE-BASED arena for people that just enjoy 1v1ing for no infamy/renown, but it's Turbine, so no point.

Who cares what lorebook says? Its a dam game; the moors are what you make it, and that's to have fun in your own way and not try to be a guy with a stick up his bum like you and try to ruin it for people.

And Ohhhhh please val; What would you know about teamwork mr. "I dont put on SI cuz its not a 5 minute buff"? 1v1s make you a better player and make your more aware of your skills, so does grouping to an extent, not zerging tho like you do. Maybe you wouldnt be the worst rank 11 LM on Gladden if you didnt zerg so much, just maybe. I believe I know all about teamwork tho considering I used to save your stupid self with shield wall on a number of occasions, back when you were more logical and less irrational anyway. As well being tolerable and not such of a jerk, but times change lol, unfortunately for you not for the better.

Your McCarthyists ways of late just sicken me, sir, and you wonder why you're on my KoS list and I hunt you down ruthlessly whenever I see you.

Oh yeah, LOL@you saying "getting back to real pvp". Does that mean turtling under oil in a keep against even or less numbers and zerging solo greenies around the Moors and at grams?

Originally Posted by chosen2

1 v 1's are based on honor. If you, for lack of a better word, disrespect these rules, you will be looked down upon. Simple as that

Although, this is just a game. If you find yourself getting angry all the time due to people's choice in what they do in a 'video game', maybe you should take a break. Go out with your friends, go see a movie, play a sport. It's much more fun than dealing with the superior lack of intelligence, maturity, and respect from the people on this game.

For once in a millennium, I agree with you. I think I'm starting to see the change more in you Ser.

Originally Posted by blakacdvl

You're an even bigger idiot than I thought if you think any disposal of renown/infamy from 1v1's would facilitate its death as a vast majority don't 1v1 for the renown/infamy but simply to have fun and be challenged.

Lol thank you Mr. Logic !

Valistar is still hating on 1v1s. Some things never change.

Originally Posted by Dirtybum30

Valistar is still hating on 1v1s. Some things never change.

Lol yo, where u been buddy, moors is lackin good burgs nowadays!

And: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXvBjCO19QY

Originally Posted by Eaglehaven

1v1 and honor in the same sentenance...seriously?

Did you mean "Dueling"? Dueling was the prefered method to settle disagreements with honor back in the day....only problem is last time I read The Hobbit and LOTR or watched the movies, I never read about or saw any 1v1's or duels in any of Tolkien's works --- THAT's IT!!!!

1v1's break Lore --- that's why I can't find it in Turbine's Lorebook!!!!

Thanks for straightening that out for me Seredir.

Val

Sam vs Sheelob
Pippin vs king of the trolls
Legolas vs Mumakill :P
Isildor vs Sauron
Gandalf vs Balrog
Gandalf vs Saruman
Aragorn vs Mouth of Sauron

NOW GET OUT OF MY HOUSE

lol..this aint a 1v1 thread. we allready got one of them, now out!

Ah yes, this discussion again. I still fail to see how 1v1's are ruining this game, but oh well. Please continue to turtle and zerg.

I am sincerely loving all the irony going on in this thread. People who regularly interrupt or zerg 1v1s suddenly defending them and raging at people who don't 1v1 at all mainly because they just don't. Then the other side talking about PvP as if flipping keeps is somehow related to killing creeps. This conversation is getting to be as pointless as a white crayon

Originally Posted by chosen2

Sam vs Sheelob
Pippin vs king of the trolls
Legolas vs Mumakill :P
Isildor vs Sauron
Gandalf vs Balrog
Gandalf vs Saruman
Aragorn vs Mouth of Sauron

NOW GET OUT OF MY HOUSE

You missed Eowyn vs the Witch King noob. Although that was more of a 2v1 since Merry interfered with a well timed hamstring lol.

Anyway have another couple to add to my list.

Finally got the chance to 1v1 Snuggle and found it as tough as I expected. In the top 3 toughest wargs I've fought. Probably a little tougher than Lugsteal, not quite as tough as Kratlerr. I really need to learn to mouseturn while clicking gambits to get better at fighting the better melee creeps but I'm just not that coordinated lol.

Deathfromtheskies is a good BA and fun to fight.

Hogardt is a great defiler. I hate all defilers soooooo much when I'm on freepside but I hate Hogardt extra lol.

Some of you, won't say names, just get a room.

Originally Posted by PoliticallyIncorrect69

Runekeeper: Winkey/Sparkman (when he gets his gear, he will be back up there). Two rks, tho I know a couple others that dont either, that dont need to be a "Magnum PI" (clever rks/ppl will hopefully get the reference ) or use armor of storm to win.

OK so I read this and was interested in your reference because I do sometimes use PI in 1v1s and have for a long time. I don't wait for it or anything, and I don't generally use it unless absolutely needed, but I don't really consider it to be 'dirty' or anything. I use it most against wargs that stun lock - silence - stun lock you to death in a 1v1, but I have also used it against reavers that time their charge - resilience - disarm so that you can't get a stun for the first 20 or so seconds of a fight. Not saying there is anything wrong with either of these approaches - just a skillful sequencing of skills - but they do make it very hard for a light armour class to live long enough to get off any meaningful attacks (warg) or get enough distance to stay alive (reaver).

I'd be interested in hearing other pvp rk's perspective on this - do you think PI is on the 'really shouldn't be used in a 1v1' list? I respect Izergz's opinion - always a good opponent to 1v1 - just interested in others' perspective as well.

Originally Posted by mmdur1

OK so I read this and was interested in your reference because I do sometimes use PI in 1v1s and have for a long time. I don't wait for it or anything, and I don't generally use it unless absolutely needed, but I don't really consider it to be 'dirty' or anything. I use it most against wargs that stun lock - silence - stun lock you to death in a 1v1, but I have also used it against reavers that time their charge - resilience - disarm so that you can't get a stun for the first 20 or so seconds of a fight. Not saying there is anything wrong with either of these approaches - just a skillful sequencing of skills - but they do make it very hard for a light armour class to live long enough to get off any meaningful attacks (warg) or get enough distance to stay alive (reaver).

I'd be interested in hearing other pvp rk's perspective on this - do you think PI is on the 'really shouldn't be used in a 1v1' list? I respect Izergz's opinion - always a good opponent to 1v1 - just interested in others' perspective as well.

Not the biggest fan of using it in 1v1s however wargs and reavers do warrant it just for separation. I dislike epic conclusion thouugh and will never use that one once I get rid of my sweet yellow gear.

Originally Posted by PoliticallyIncorrect69

Not really, but ok. I've RAIDED for a very long time clown (bout 8 ranks on my guard), and once I saw they were getting more zergy, I left to solo more (also from lag in raids and I realized how fun it was), so I really gained both perspectives, honestly. Gaining those perspectives is attributed to the time I played in SoA, as I saw things getting worse and worse in pvp and becoming more zergy. The clarity I gained from raiding went progressively from positive to negative unfortunately, as I mainly see raiding usually, as you said, turns into zerging. I joined raids before recently, and its just pathetic to hear what people say in them such as high ranks calling out single ppl, etc.

SoA? was 4 years ago. You're missing a big chunk of perspective between then and now. A cycle of leaders and people that don't condone Valistar/Glee playstyles. Positives happen all the time but when some one isn't around how can they see it?

I'm not trying to persuade people to raid, just saying that raiding CAN be really fun and challenging if you seek it out.

http://forums.lotro.com/showthread.p...2-Gladden-1v1s

Originally Posted by chosen2

Sam vs Sheelob
Pippin vs king of the trolls
Legolas vs Mumakill :P
Isildor vs Sauron
Gandalf vs Balrog
Gandalf vs Saruman
Aragorn vs Mouth of Sauron

NOW GET OUT OF MY HOUSE

Very clever, sir, very clever indeed. Your foruming has improved of late. I was tired when I made my post, so I was not keen enough to draw to that analogy after a well executed destruction of Valistar. Anyway, if you want to include the movies, Lurtz vs Aragorn, but since this is LOTRO, based on the books, this fight theoretically didn't happen. Bazinga.

All in all, job well done, Ser.

Originally Posted by Bond007

I am sincerely loving all the irony going on in this thread. People who regularly interrupt or zerg 1v1s suddenly defending them and raging at people who don't 1v1 at all mainly because they just don't. Then the other side talking about PvP as if flipping keeps is somehow related to killing creeps. This conversation is getting to be as pointless as a white crayon

Hope you aint talking about me, there is nothing ironic about my posts since I've never zerged.

Originally Posted by Hethyba

You missed Eowyn vs the Witch King noob. Although that was more of a 2v1 since Merry interfered with a well timed hamstring lol.

Anyway have another couple to add to my list.

Finally got the chance to 1v1 Snuggle and found it as tough as I expected. In the top 3 toughest wargs I've fought. Probably a little tougher than Lugsteal, not quite as tough as Kratlerr. I really need to learn to mouseturn while clicking gambits to get better at fighting the better melee creeps but I'm just not that coordinated lol.

Idk about a little tougher than Lugsteal Urg; you might have drawn that conclusion as Snuggle will pop every cd and its mother in a 1v1, thus sayin he is "tougher" . Right now I'd say its Kratlerr then Lugsteal toughness wise; I haven't seen Yqzu or Grishmama 1v1 in a while so that might change in regards to toughest to tough list heh, esp cuz I personally believed Grishmama used to be the 2nd best warg on this server b4 he left and was behind Shearcon, and had Krat as my 3rd best warg, but I digress; its about recent times now obv.

Originally Posted by Tchad

Some of you, won't say names, just get a room.

We are in a room, I'm in my room typing this post .

Originally Posted by mmdur1

OK so I read this and was interested in your reference because I do sometimes use PI in 1v1s and have for a long time. I don't wait for it or anything, and I don't generally use it unless absolutely needed, but I don't really consider it to be 'dirty' or anything. I use it most against wargs that stun lock - silence - stun lock you to death in a 1v1, but I have also used it against reavers that time their charge - resilience - disarm so that you can't get a stun for the first 20 or so seconds of a fight. Not saying there is anything wrong with either of these approaches - just a skillful sequencing of skills - but they do make it very hard for a light armour class to live long enough to get off any meaningful attacks (warg) or get enough distance to stay alive (reaver).

I'd be interested in hearing other pvp rk's perspective on this - do you think PI is on the 'really shouldn't be used in a 1v1' list? I respect Izergz's opinion - always a good opponent to 1v1 - just interested in others' perspective as well.

Well, I just noticed those 2 rks dont need that skill to win, nor have I seen them use it at all when they have gotten all their gear to where they need it to be. Spark is still working on his as well with getting Devices of Tactics and a couple new relics, but he is almost done, yet still hasnt been using PI since he has gotten most of his gear back and up-to-date. Winkey I think is all decked-out, so he is good to go and I haven't seen him use it at all either. I don't know, but I heard those rks say its a no no skill because of the strength of the skill not only for the daze, but the fact they pretty much get an automatic crit with their next attack.

Originally Posted by KozzmoKramer

Not the biggest fan of using it in 1v1s however wargs and reavers do warrant it just for separation. I dislike epic conclusion thouugh and will never use that one once I get rid of my sweet yellow gear.

No ec kozz? Your good, but idk if you'll be that good, we'll see . The thing about EC is it can make or break a 1v1 for either side. Also, if I can't get disarm off on a reaver, that makes a huge diff, too, since it allows the rk another 5 seconds of attunement (I mean you could be like Aroloth and pot it to be cheap). I understand the resisting of disarm and just getting unlucky, but plain potting it when you its usually a key skill to win a 1v1 is just ridic, esp against a reaver like myself who doesnt have thrash or any other rank 10 goodies .

Originally Posted by the_blah

SoA? was 4 years ago. You're missing a big chunk of perspective between then and now. A cycle of leaders and people that don't condone Valistar/Glee playstyles. Positives happen all the time but when some one isn't around how can they see it?

I'm not trying to persuade people to raid, just saying that raiding CAN be really fun and challenging if you seek it out.

My man, I have been in raids here and there to realize, more often than not, they are zergy too much. I will tell you, I've been in a few fun raids there were fun and challenging, but more often than not, I see they are zergy. I've seen the new leaders come and go from the sideline, and have been disappointed with their way of leading, except with Aris and Vics leading, but their opposition (Val or Glee) usually dont like to have even fights and will log if it gets challenging. Thus, zergs are more prevalent than good fights. I still gained a good enough perspective Clown, even if I dont raid as much as I used to.

ok tingur i don't want to fight any more. i come on here to have fun and fighting with you is not fun. lets just agree to diagree, and to live and let live. i am sorry to anyone i may have hurt or insulted in my childish rampage.(yes elirn-1 even you)
so lets get back to the point of this thread.
i would say some better(not the bests. just better) players include.
Gaurds: that guy estlebrank or however its spelled. a pretty good player i think.
Caps: Giphmore. really good, even if he dose escort sparkman everywhere.
Stalkers: i would say, Chippira and snaglpuss, from expireance playing with the two of them i would say there good.
Weavers: so few on i have no idea.
Reavers: not me of course, i would say durshug is pretty good, and kolalg is good too.
there are some that i think are better than some others. however i would like to point out the worst guy i have ever seen.(a real ***.) he is know as:
Stalker: killmethanks.
Warleader: girlypants.
you all know who i am talking about.(at least you should)
Everyone who saw that guys repeated rantings about everyone should agree with me.

Best all time gladden player is without a doubt nubberz. behind him is prob any one of glees toons, and any of his crew. then id put ugh

Worst is tardvin

Originally Posted by hobojimmy

Best all time gladden player is without a doubt nubberz. behind him is prob any one of glees toons, and any of his crew. then id put ugh

Worst is tardvin

Originally Posted by PoliticallyIncorrect69

My man, I have been in raids here and there to realize, more often than not, they are zergy too much. I will tell you, I've been in a few fun raids there were fun and challenging, but more often than not, I see they are zergy. I've seen the new leaders come and go from the sideline, and have been disappointed with their way of leading, except with Aris and Vics leading, but their opposition (Val or Glee) usually dont like to have even fights and will log if it gets challenging. Thus, zergs are more prevalent than good fights. I still gained a good enough perspective Clown, even if I dont raid as much as I used to.

Then you, sir, are choosing to see the glass half empty.

Originally Posted by PoliticallyIncorrect69

No ec kozz? Your good, but idk if you'll be that good, we'll see . The thing about EC is it can make or break a 1v1 for either side. Also, if I can't get disarm off on a reaver, that makes a huge diff, too, since it allows the rk another 5 seconds of attunement (I mean you could be like Aroloth and pot it to be cheap). I understand the resisting of disarm and just getting unlucky, but plain potting it when you its usually a key skill to win a 1v1 is just ridic, esp against a reaver like myself who doesnt have thrash or any other rank 10 goodies .

Honestly though, think about it.....as a RK you have to out live 20-25s of being hit and if you do you shouldn't be touched for the remainder of the fight. So with that in mind (this is ONLY against reavers with my limited experience out there since my return) you kite and peck away at um it isn't that rough. I think I have lost twice to reavers since my return one being Vic who dismantled me and other I honestly can't remember who used a store pot and another pot (not that I am knocking him at all but it is something I didn't expect and would have timed differently). If i can use consumables to get out of something I will you are 100% going to use a stun pot against me so why can't I pot a Wound? Just seems like dumb PvP if you don't.

Rune-keepers still are the most OP (maybe Minnies beat us, again limited play) and should honestly lose to no one with gear especially. I have seen 8k morale RKs, it is silly how you can build toons now just need to put in time and get a solid group to run things. Give it a few weeks more of gearing and I would love to show you a no PI or EC fight vinner

Originally Posted by Light12

ok tingur i don't want to fight any more. i come on here to have fun and fighting with you is not fun. lets just agree to diagree, and to live and let live. i am sorry to anyone i may have hurt or insulted in my childish rampage.(yes elirn-1 even you)
so lets get back to the point of this thread.
i would say some better(not the bests. just better) players include.
Gaurds: that guy estlebrank or however its spelled. a pretty good player i think.
Caps: Giphmore. really good, even if he dose escort sparkman everywhere.
Stalkers: i would say, Chippira and snaglpuss, from expireance playing with the two of them i would say there good.
Weavers: so few on i have no idea.
Reavers: not me of course, i would say durshug is pretty good, and kolalg is good too.
there are some that i think are better than some others. however i would like to point out the worst guy i have ever seen.(a real ***.) he is know as:
Stalker: killmethanks.
Warleader: girlypants.
you all know who i am talking about.(at least you should)
Everyone who saw that guys repeated rantings about everyone should agree with me.

Some of this list is right such as grimphore being a good cap (terrible healer tho ). The wl is way wrong tho; nubbers is the best bar none. I have a vid but i dont want to show it outta a new-found respect to him as to y nubbers is the best. Also, a friend of mine has epic screenies of why he is the best lol...

Originally Posted by hobojimmy

Best all time gladden player is without a doubt nubberz. behind him is prob any one of glees toons, and any of his crew. then id put ugh

Worst is tardvin

Agree with nubbers. Ugh was a terrible hunter who only could do remotely good with gear, and even then blew. Glee is just a stupid zerger lol, and most of his "crew" lol... Tarvin isnt bad, he is just a qqing idiot that we all love to annoy! Welcome back hobo as well.

Originally Posted by the_blah

Then you, sir, are choosing to see the glass half empty.

I'm not choosing to see anything what you think I see it as; I perceive what I know I see clearly, thank ya very much. I do see it half full however. You have ur viewpoints, I have mine. Let's agree to disagree; Cmon clown, I thought you knew me by now! I havent even seen you out there anyway in my time back; So, how could you know whats been going on when ur busy on riddermark for garsh knows what reason :P? Better pvp, perhaps? Thy logic is illogical I say!

Originally Posted by KozzmoKramer

Honestly though, think about it.....as a RK you have to out live 20-25s of being hit and if you do you shouldn't be touched for the remainder of the fight. So with that in mind (this is ONLY against reavers with my limited experience out there since my return) you kite and peck away at um it isn't that rough. I think I have lost twice to reavers since my return one being Vic who dismantled me and other I honestly can't remember who used a store pot and another pot (not that I am knocking him at all but it is something I didn't expect and would have timed differently). If i can use consumables to get out of something I will you are 100% going to use a stun pot against me so why can't I pot a Wound? Just seems like dumb PvP if you don't.

Rune-keepers still are the most OP (maybe Minnies beat us, again limited play) and should honestly lose to no one with gear especially. I have seen 8k morale RKs, it is silly how you can build toons now just need to put in time and get a solid group to run things. Give it a few weeks more of gearing and I would love to show you a no PI or EC fight vinner

Well Ustoc, I dont think you see how nerfed reavers have got since your return heh . Once you get full audacity and your gear, you'll see exactly what I'm talking about. It's hard to believe, but reavers are prolly one of the most underpowered classes on creepside and in general in the moors right now, even played well. Wargs outdps now against freeps, which is sad. I know, hard to believe, never thought I say that myself. Now, saying that doesnt mean they cant solo or 1v1, they surely can, just much harder than it used to be, and unless u buy key rank 10+ pay2win stuff, it's even harder.

I'm simply saying from the rks that I fought that do well, they normally dont need to pot disarm. I never stun pot in a 1v1 because I don't think its fair; a few others do however :/. Idk y people would now with aud and with the cc reduction. Fortunately, disarm doesnt apply to cc for some reason, so its still 5 seconds. Very nice for us *borat voice*! What do you have now, 3 aud with 6.5k morale and a lot of undergeared stuff? When you get ur aud, u'll see why potting disarm is just an "I win" situation imo, while laughing at the pitiful dps a reaver puts out now. Now if you do want to disarm pot, fine, tho you won't need to and I'll just give the factual excuse "well if he didnt disarm pot, I would win hehe". That's pretty much a fact tho as reaver vs rk fights usually come down to if a rk crits ec (if I let you get it off in time CUZ YOU'LL NEED IT hehe) or not or if I get disarm off at the right time, or at all (unless you get REALLY unlucky with crits). Resisting is 1 thing, but potting it is foul play I think given a rks dps (knowing ur insane dps in the past, I prob want to avoid it :P). I know I can stack my wounds to avoid the potted disarm, but thats valuable time wasted where I could be dpsing.

Oh baby, I'll be waiting ; i'll show ya reavers are nerfed, but not that nerfed!

Originally Posted by PoliticallyIncorrect69

Some of this list is right such as grimphore being a good cap (terrible healer tho ). The wl is way wrong tho; nubbers is the best bar none. I have a vid but i dont want to show it outta a new-found respect to him as to y nubbers is the best. Also, a friend of mine has epic screenies of why he is the best lol...



Agree with nubbers. Ugh was a terrible hunter who only could do remotely good with gear, and even then blew. Glee is just a stupid zerger lol, and most of his "crew" lol... Tarvin isnt bad, he is just a qqing idiot that we all love to annoy! Welcome back hobo as well.



I'm not choosing to see anything what you think I see it as; I perceive what I know I see clearly, thank ya very much. I do see it half full however. You have ur viewpoints, I have mine. Let's agree to disagree; Cmon clown, I thought you knew me by now! I havent even seen you out there anyway in my time back; So, how could you know whats been going on when ur busy on riddermark for garsh knows what reason :P? Better pvp, perhaps? Thy logic is illogical I say!



Well Ustoc, I dont think you see how nerfed reavers have got since your return heh . Once you get full audacity and your gear, you'll see exactly what I'm talking about. It's hard to believe, but reavers are prolly one of the most underpowered classes on creepside and in general in the moors right now, even played well. Wargs outdps now against freeps, which is sad. I know, hard to believe, never thought I say that myself. Now, saying that doesnt mean they cant solo or 1v1, they surely can, just much harder than it used to be, and unless u buy key rank 10+ pay2win stuff, it's even harder.

I'm simply saying from the rks that I fought that do well, they normally dont need to pot disarm. I never stun pot in a 1v1 because I don't think its fair; a few others do however :/. Idk y people would now with aud and with the cc reduction. Fortunately, disarm doesnt apply to cc for some reason, so its still 5 seconds. Very nice for us *borat voice*! What do you have now, 3 aud with 6.5k morale and a lot of undergeared stuff? When you get ur aud, u'll see why potting disarm is just an "I win" situation imo, while laughing at the pitiful dps a reaver puts out now. Now if you do want to disarm pot, fine, tho you won't need to and I'll just give the factual excuse "well if he didnt disarm pot, I would win hehe". That's pretty much a fact tho as reaver vs rk fights usually come down to if a rk crits ec (if I let you get it off in time CUZ YOU'LL NEED IT hehe) or not or if I get disarm off at the right time, or at all (unless you get REALLY unlucky with crits). Resisting is 1 thing, but potting it is foul play I think given a rks dps (knowing ur insane dps in the past, I prob want to avoid it :P). I know I can stack my wounds to avoid the potted disarm, but thats valuable time wasted where I could be dpsing.

Oh baby, I'll be waiting ; i'll show ya reavers are nerfed, but not that nerfed!

Your replys are becoming as long as Kalib's....................... .don't make me destroy you, my master... However i do agree..

Originally Posted by ThunderCarlson

Your replys are becoming as long as Kalib's....................... .don't make me destroy you, my master... However i do agree..

You fail to see my young, drunken, naive apprentice that I do not use ellipsis such as that weak fool Kalib. You will try *Battle of Heroes music*! Guuuddd u agree tho guuuuddd, this wisdom will only make you more powaful!

No. You all fail to see clearly. However, in time you will. Yes I am back, and you will see Saurons true power in time. Neither freep or creep will be able to handle what is to come.

Originally Posted by AshnEmbers

No. You all fail to see clearly. However, in time you will. Yes I am back, and you will see Saurons true power in time. Neither freep or creep will be able to handle what is to come.

Hmmm, I knew I had feeling who you might be. After this statement, I got a feeling you're Thugglife, but not sure. Heard rumors u were back trolling gladden glff and on a greenie or something. Things just might get interesting again if this is be true ... might just have to resub hehe...

Vinner...

You made a choice to quit raiding (which is 80% of this game). I made a choice to stay at it. There is no right or wrong choices on what people want, but there are choices. All is not lost if we keep trying the impossible.

If the glass is half full then why do you disappear for months at a time, and keep advertising TOR, which seems to be dying? Is that logical? I was just merely stating an observation.

I think to fix some if not most of our lotro global server zerg problems... we have to get rid of the renown/infamy system. That will filter out the farmers (which is 90% of the population) And we may just get to see the people that really want to PvP. That would be fun stuff. But no one will agree to that. People need to see that carrot on a string in front of them to keep going. Unfortunately that's how MMOs work.

So we deal with the problems or move on. You chose the latter. Nothing wrong with that.

PS> I'm on Ridder because meeting new people makes things interesting from time to time. End-game material and PvP has become a second priority to play for me these days. I'll probably go back to Gladden some time, just not sure when.

Originally Posted by Witch0King

Dalok, you're one of the worst reavers ive seen so zip it.
Mindoringo, get back on your pillar.

this post is Negative.
trollolololing
lol..some people cant handle the truth or what mindoringo?

Originally Posted by the_blah

Vinner...

You made a choice to quit raiding (which is 80% of this game). I made a choice to stay at it. There is no right or wrong choices on what people want, but there are choices. All is not lost if we keep trying the impossible.

If the glass is half full then why do you disappear for months at a time, and keep advertising TOR, which seems to be dying? Is that logical? I was just merely stating an observation.

I think to fix some if not most of our lotro global server zerg problems... we have to get rid of the renown/infamy system. That will filter out the farmers (which is 90% of the population) And we may just get to see the people that really want to PvP. That would be fun stuff. But no one will agree to that. People need to see that carrot on a string in front of them to keep going. Unfortunately that's how MMOs work.

So we deal with the problems or move on. You chose the latter. Nothing wrong with that.

PS> I'm on Ridder because meeting new people makes things interesting from time to time. End-game material and PvP has become a second priority to play for me these days. I'll probably go back to Gladden some time, just not sure when.

I made a choice to not raid as much because it's mainly zerging. I see the glass half full because I'm optimistic about swtor, and I enjoy soloing. It will rise again! I do move on simply by soloing and enjoying it.

Same applies to you going to Riddermark, when you speak about the server you havent even been on in months.

We are most likely at an impasse.

Val came back and took my place as Gladden's biggest idiot. Go back to your mail order bride Val, we liked pvp better then you left the first time.

Originally Posted by PoliticallyIncorrect69

Same applies to you going to Riddermark, when you speak about the server you havent even been on in months.

It's not the same. Gladden is no different than most servers I've been on. Zergy QQ pvp of shuffledom. I started leading creep raids on Gladden for a few months this year as creepside needed much help, then. With effort it was fun. I'm no Aristedes or Viceras but that's the only way to learn and attempt to fix the impossible. By doing.

"Do or do not. There is no cry."

PS> I'm the biggest hypocrit by saying that stuff I know. But I'd like to think I'm trying. Just tired of people saying PvP is too "this" but does nothing about it. It's old news.

Originally Posted by the_blah

It's not the same. Gladden is no different than most servers I've been on. Zergy QQ pvp of shuffledom. I started leading creep raids on Gladden for a few months this year as creepside needed much help, then. With effort it was fun. I'm no Aristedes or Viceras but that's the only way to learn and attempt to fix the impossible. By doing.

"Do or do not. There is no cry."

PS> I'm the biggest hypocrit by saying that stuff I know. But I'd like to think I'm trying. Just tired of people saying PvP is too "this" but does nothing about it. It's old news.

The reason there's nothing to do about it is because most people are pansies who cannot accept challenging fights and don't realize how much fun they can have in them. Like I said before, some of the people I grouped with were pathetic and unwilling to fight a fair fight. I'm not sure you knew this, but, most people like ezmode. I know, it's shocking! I'm not one of them however as you have seen from my playstyle. The problem is when leaders do step up like Valistar and Glee, they instill a terrible mindset into new players that zerging is ok and we don't need a challenge. The good leaders like Viceras and Aris, when they can manage to lead the few people that are willing to fight and will listen to orders, generally fight the majority of people that like to ezmode and not fight fair. Then, if the tides do start to turn for the easy moders, they log till it gets easy, mostly recognized by dark ones influence by Glee. That's something we can agree on is Glee's zergling armada. You do realize who used to play on Riddermark, don't you Clown? He most likely left his stenchy mark of zerginess upon the innocent noobs of Ridder.

Dam right, see you do love star wars :P.

When was the last time you led a creep raid on Gladden? It was prolly the same time when I was around in March for a lil which was when I last saw you; you did seem enjoy to zerg me I noticed. I haven't seen you since then from the couple months in late May, June I been back.