Thread: Nerfed S4M to Medallion exchange rate

Don't want to this simple question to drop off the front page, I need to know if this is being fixed and I should wait to switch my S4ms or not.

Again, was this change intentional? if so, was it announced and I perhaps missed it?

Just wondering, why would you keep an outdated currency around for like... months now? Couldn't you just get seals and then downgrade to medallions if you need them?

Honestly? Saw it coming. I got rid of all my S4M asap.

Originally Posted by MannyCalavera

Just wondering, why would you keep an outdated currency around for like... months now? Couldn't you just get seals and then downgrade to medallions if you need them?

1 seals=2 medallions
1 s4m EQUALLS 2 seals OR 35 medallions.
No, its not as simple as just picking the seals and downconverting if you need it.
Especially with prices for things that come for EITHER seals or medallions

Originally Posted by Crell_1

Revert this. You said we had until update 6 to make up our minds before they'd be auto-converted into medallions

Agree. This was explicitly stated and promised. What purpose could possibly be served by reneging on it?

It's not that it's a huge deal, it's just that I'm getting tired of being lied to.

Originally Posted by AkhorahilEvernight

Agree. This was explicitly stated and promised. What purpose could possibly be served by reneging on it?

It's not that it's a huge deal, it's just that I'm getting tired of being lied to.

Purpose: making store-bought Greater Scrolls of Empowerment more enticing.

GSoEs cost either Marks + Medallions, or Medallions + Seals; either way, reducing the amount of medallions you get for S4Ms works in the Store's favor, especially when combined with the increase in mark/medallion/seal cost for said Scrolls.

Originally Posted by AkhorahilEvernight

Agree. This was explicitly stated and promised. What purpose could possibly be served by reneging on it?

It's not that it's a huge deal, it's just that I'm getting tired of being lied to.

Actually now it is a big deal (to me anyway), I bartered 61 S4Ms for medallions at 35 thinking they might nerf it more...this is the stuff that happens Turbine when you don't pick it right first. Stop shifting goal posts if you expect goals to be chased.

Originally Posted by Lestache

Purpose: making store-bought Greater Scrolls of Empowerment more enticing.

GSoEs cost either Marks + Medallions, or Medallions + Seals; either way, reducing the amount of medallions you get for S4Ms works in the Store's favor, especially when combined with the increase in mark/medallion/seal cost for said Scrolls.

And yet there are still people who will insist that the store will NOT affect gameplay and that if we don't like the store we can 'just ignore' it. Am still looking for the /ignorenerf command that'll roll back these price hikes.

Like many others, I am ALSO waiting for an official word on this. They said they'll improve their communications, right?

I just wanna express my sympthaties for the OP and I think its kinda low of Turbine to nerf the exchange rate like they did.

I played a hell of alot 12 man raids and now have 86 unused S4M´s lying in the vault. Dont create a system where your old endavours/grind becomes useless in favor of the latest game content.

There should always exist a DECENT exchange system for not only s4m´s but also for moria, dol guldur medallions etc to exchange them into the new system.

Would still like a response on whether this will be sorted out or not.

Yeah, I recently started playing my burg again and would like to know if there is a better deal for medallions on the horizon.

A simple question for the CMs to flag to the devs: Why was this change made and not documented?

Should be easy to answer, so please give us an answer.

Thanks.

bumping for a response to my above questions. Other people seem to have moved on, but it's the more annoying for being the kind of thing that someone must be hoping just goes away by not responding.

Originally Posted by asearchforreason

Well it seems that an undocumented "feature" of Update 5.1 was to change the conversion rate of S4Ms to Medallions from 1:50 to 1:35. I assume this is WAI? While I understand that these things are tweaked from time to time, it would have been nice to receive some notice that my saved up S4Ms were going to be reduced in value by 30%.

Is there going to be a response from a CM regarding this?

Guess with the update that's it then, the nerf sticks and my s4ms will get auto converted at the current rate?

Would appreciate a response to confirm this. Should I swap my tokens before or will they be nerfed again?

Got to say it's frustrating that there's been no word at all, even an apology for the stealth nerf would be something, but we're far from a justification of it coming without any announcement.

Originally Posted by SerendipityUK

Guess with the update that's it then, the nerf sticks and my s4ms will get auto converted at the current rate?

Would appreciate a response to confirm this. Should I swap my tokens before or will they be nerfed again?

Got to say it's frustrating that there's been no word at all, even an apology for the stealth nerf would be something, but we're far from a justification of it coming without any announcement.

I got truly shafted on this. Disgraceful behaviour. And so much for all the fine words about communicating. Too embarrased I hope. It's all just cynical nickle and diming. No trick is too shady it seems.

I've got reports they havent been auto-converted yet, so they've still got time to fix this if they really want to. Turbine, we're still watching and havent forgotten

Trade them for seals. Why on Earth would you want medallions when medallions can be easily ground out 400-500 at a time by running foundry over and over? Seal acquisition is restricted to twice a week instance quests. Medallion acquisition is not. Trade them for the more valuable commodity...seals.

Originally Posted by Theodoriph

Trade them for seals. Why on Earth would you want medallions when medallions can be easily ground out 400-500 at a time by running foundry over and over? Seal acquisition is restricted to twice a week instance quests. Medallion acquisition is not. Trade them for the more valuable commodity...seals.

I don't have any, but why I'm still posting is because stealth nerfs on currencies they've explicitly said they'd give us time to choose ourselves is entirely unacceptable. Especially when they'd said they were trying to improve communication not long prior.

I'm giving them one last shot to change a single value to what it should be. The original conversion rate. And then they can auto-convert them all at some DEFINED point down the road, exactly like they'd said originally.

Originally Posted by Theodoriph

Why on Earth would you want medallions when medallions can be easily ground out 400-500 at a time by running foundry over and over?

It's vastly easier to get into a skirmish raid PUG and get seals than to get into a Foundry PUG, and the raid requires less skill. A lot of players have trouble in Foundry. Medallions also get you useful stuff like Draigoch gear, seals do not get you all that much over all unless you're raiding.

Originally Posted by Lohi

It's vastly easier to get into a skirmish raid PUG and get seals than to get into a Foundry PUG, and the raid requires less skill. A lot of players have trouble in Foundry. Medallions also get you useful stuff like Draigoch gear, seals do not get you all that much over all unless you're raiding.

One of the boons of being a good captain in PUGs.

I support bad healers, help DPSer DPS more, and throw out enough of my own DPS to get the group through difficult spots. And if all else fails, I start blowing cooldowns so we CAN succeed.

Only real problem is with tanks that can't hold agro - but that's usually a good time to go walk the cat.

Originally Posted by Lohi

It's vastly easier to get into a skirmish raid PUG and get seals than to get into a Foundry PUG, and the raid requires less skill. A lot of players have trouble in Foundry. Medallions also get you useful stuff like Draigoch gear, seals do not get you all that much over all unless you're raiding.

Well, Draigoch can also be bought with seals I agree thoguh that it is easier in the "build-up" phase to get seals and medallions from skraids than from running T2 instances.

One ridiculous effect of the current system: An instance finder Foundry T2C, repeatable ad nauseam in ~30 minute intervals, will net you enough medallions to buy a scroll of empowerment each. Doing a lower Orthanc Ring on T2C, only available once a week and potentially taking a lot more time, does NOT give you enough seals and medallions to purchase the same o.O.

The amount of medallions from Foundry has been "nerfed." Before U6, you could run any non-scaled, 6-man, t2 level 75 instance and you were guaranteed to wind up in Foundry T2 and get the full IF bonus. Since RoF came out, if you choose to run only Foundry, you get only a 20% currency bonus (instead of the full 50%, plus you don't get any morale/power bonus). You don't get as many medallions from RoF (and far less seals) so I'm not sure it's worth it to gamble and let it throw you into either unless you need both instances equally.

That said, you can still build up medallions pretty quick running either one, just not quite enough for an entire SoGE.