Thread: A 100% increase in the cost of Task Reset Counters

Originally Posted by xKINGMOBx

But to threaten, once again, to leave the game over 50 vs 100 TP for task resets... you have to pick your battles, guys.

Give them an inch and they'll take a mile.

Originally Posted by StavroMuellerBeta

Give them an inch and they'll take a mile.

Your very soul if you let them...

Lots of people who work long hours, or have stressful jobs, like the convenience of spending one dollar to make their entertainment time more interesting. I like buying the grind out of my playtime as much as possible.

As stated above you don't NEED to buy the task increasers or task resetters, because you can a) do it without them and b) you get some when playing the game. Unlike many other things,and I won't get into detail here, this stuff is really convenience ... for folks who want to 'buy the grind out of playtime' or 'reach the goal quicker'.

Raising prices 100% isn't a good move, no doubt ... but maybe they just try to compensate planned sales figures ? They thought 1000 users would buy for 50tp, but only 500 bought. Now they hope that same 500 users don't mind paying double price ...

... but in the end their business plans stand or fall with the customers buying trend. Me, I expect the sales for those items will decrease at least by half. They get the same amount of tp spent, but loose half their customers. No good move.

If the prices of things are going up in the store, surely we get an increase in our amount of VIP tp we get each month. ^^

If last month I could buy 10 reset scrolls, and this month I can only buy 5, then surely the value of my VIP tp has went down.

Maybe Middle Earth is also being effected by bank bail outs. 8(

Originally Posted by JimhadaUK

If the prices of things are going up in the store, surely we get an increase in our amount of VIP tp we get each month. ^^

If last month I could buy 10 reset scrolls, and this month I can only buy 5, then surely the value of my VIP tp has went down.

Maybe Middle Earth is also being effected by bank bail outs. 8(

Actually you must have missed the big picture. 'VIP' and 'Lifetime' mean nothing anymore, and afford no more benefit than any other person. In fact, WB would like nothing more than for all you long term folk to leave so they can fleece all the fresh blood until it runs dry without complaints on these forums.
(it takes so much energy to erase negative posts)

/signed

and I'd shave off my beard in protest if I could!

Saruman has really got his feet well and truly under the table at Turbine it seems. Perhaps they could reconsider renaming this game The Lord of the Pockets Online?

With every grubby penny they grab at the front in the short term they stab themselves twice as hard in the back in the long term.

Originally Posted by giniluv

Actually you must have missed the big picture. 'VIP' and 'Lifetime' mean nothing anymore, and afford no more benefit than any other person. In fact, WB would like nothing more than for all you long term folk to leave so they can fleece all the fresh blood until it runs dry without complaints on these forums.
(it takes so much energy to erase negative posts)

Actually lifers are just as likely to buy TP as anyone else, 500 a month doesn't go very far if you like xp or deed boosts. Just be happy they allow us to earn TP all other models I have played so far DO NOT allow the earning of tp type currency in game (if others exist let me know I'll give em a look )

Originally Posted by Nymphonic

*sigh* I bet you that they will continue to add that irritating coin icon on the screen after every task limit if they raised the prices. God, that thing annoys me.

Originally Posted by Eartholloth

You must get annoyed at things very easy to be annoyed over a icon.

It is annoying to be reminded every single time that I can purchase more. At 100TP though won't be doing that anymore so signed.

Originally Posted by Firemane0

Actually lifers are just as likely to buy TP as anyone else

Don'tcha just love it when people pull "facts" out of the thin air and pretend that its gospel? Have you done some poll that we aren't aware of? Can you show us the data to back up your claim?

No, guess not.

Wait until the SOPA/PIPA protest is over tomorrow, then go here http://lotrocommunity.com/forum/topi...zpaizsapience/

Originally Posted by LadyDena

Don'tcha just love it when people pull "facts" out of the thin air and pretend that its gospel? Have you done some poll that we aren't aware of? Can you show us the data to back up your claim?

No, guess not.

Well i am a lifer and I buy Tp and there have been other lifers on these forums have have said they buy Tp so their are MY FACTS. So since I put up shouldn't it be your turn to....

Also a lifer. Also have occasionally purchased points. Though it makes me feel so unclean ...........

Originally Posted by Firemane0

Well i am a lifer and I buy Tp and there have been other lifers on these forums have have said they buy Tp so their are MY FACTS. So since I put up shouldn't it be your turn to....

Don't try to change the subject. Your assertion was that "lifers are just as likely to buy TPs". Where is your poll? Where is your data? You aren't telling us your own single personal anecdotal testimony = poll or data right?

Again, answer the question. Don't change the subject.

Either admit that you made a claim based on nothing but personal opinion, or show the data.

Originally Posted by Rosiebelle

Also a lifer. Also have occasionally purchased points. Though it makes me feel so unclean ...........

Well i feel that I have been paid back more then my 200 worth after all this time of playing so if i drop 20-30 here or there its almost like paying a sub.

Originally Posted by LadyDena

Don't try to change the subject. Your assertion was that "lifers are just as likely to buy TPs". Where is your poll? Where is your data? You aren't telling us your own single personal anecdotal testimony = poll or data right?

Again, answer the question. Don't change the subject.

Either admit that you made a claim based on nothing but personal opinion, or show the data.

Of course its personal opinion just like omg turbine is going to start selling gold and taking over the world is an opinion. But based on this thread alone at least 2 lifers buy Tp and that is a fact. Another fact is that you turned a fairly decent conversation into something else. Gday

(edit) Make that 3 :P

Originally Posted by Rosiebelle

Also a lifer. Also have occasionally purchased points. Though it makes me feel so unclean ...........

I am a lifer too and have purchased many dollar$ worth of TP. So you are not alone in your guilty vice

Originally Posted by LadyDena

Don'tcha just love it when people pull "facts" out of the thin air and pretend that its gospel? Have you done some poll that we aren't aware of? Can you show us the data to back up your claim?

No, guess not.

LMAO So because your a lifer there is no way they would buy TPs????

Originally Posted by Firemane0

But based on this thread alone at least 2 lifers buy Tp and that is a fact. Another fact is that you turned a fairly decent conversation into something else. Gday

You made a claim. You obviously can't back it up with data and now you are polling-post-assertion. The moral of the story is to not pull things out of thin air and pretend they are facts, because people will call you on it. And if you really believe this is a decent conversation, then at least have the intellectual honesty to admit that you made an unsubstantiated claim without any data to try to use it to support your argument. Pointing to the 3 people who chimed in afterward just shows that you have zero data collected prior to making your claim.

Originally Posted by Eartholloth

LMAO So because your a lifer there is no way they would buy TPs????

Go back and read the discussion. You *think* I have a position, but re-reading the posts may just tell that you I want someone who made a claim to show how he arrived at a conclusion by sharing his data. Next.

Raising it to 100 is just lame..

Making a topic asking people to /sign is also lame..

This is a forum, which has topics and posts. This is not a petition where people can sign things. When do you people start realising that?

Originally Posted by LadyDena

You made a claim. You obviously can't back it up with data and now you are polling-post-assertion. The moral of the story is to not pull things out of thin air and pretend they are facts, because people will call you on it. And if you really believe this is a decent conversation, then at least have the intellectual honesty to admit that you made an unsubstantiated claim without any data to try to use it to support your argument. Pointing to the 3 people who chimed in afterward just shows that you have zero data collected prior to making your claim.

Prove to me that i am wrong. Prove to me that no lifer buys Tp. Give me some facts that NO LIFER BUYS TP.
Afterall my input into this conversation started after someone claimed that Turbine would like nothing better then to get rid of lifers because they add nothing to their pocket books.

Ugh. Even 50 was way too much. The one and only time I ever bought one was when they were on sale for 25, and after using it I decided that wasn't worth it and never got one again.

Originally Posted by Firemane0

Prove to me that i am wrong. Prove to me that no lifer buys Tp. Give me some facts that NO LIFER BUYS TP.
Afterall my input into this conversation started after someone claimed that Turbine would like nothing better then to get rid of lifers because they add nothing to their pocket books.

Gotta love the make a claim from thin air prove me wrong mentality. If SOPA/PIPA pass, expect to see alot more of this at work.

Originally Posted by Firemane0

Prove to me that i am wrong. Prove to me that no lifer buys Tp. Give me some facts that NO LIFER BUYS TP.
Afterall my input into this conversation started after someone claimed that Turbine would like nothing better then to get rid of lifers because they add nothing to their pocket books.

I'm a lifer, and I made the mistake of buying TP once. After this armour fiasco, I won't be making that mistake again.

Originally Posted by Mithrandir3

Ugh. Even 50 was way too much. The one and only time I ever bought one was when they were on sale for 25, and after using it I decided that wasn't worth it and never got one again.

Always seemed to out level the local boards so i stopped bothering to buy either the reset or the +1, i would imagine it just might drop in price if the usage drops.

Originally Posted by Firemane0

Prove to me that i am wrong. Prove to me that no lifer buys Tp.

Do you even understand how an adult conversation works?

You made an assertion. The burden of proof is UPON YOU, not upon those who are questioning you.

Still don't understand. Try this even simpler example :

Firemane0 : There is a flying unicorn on top of the city hall!
Person A : There is really? Show us proof please.
Firemane0 : No. YOU prove to me that i am wrong. Prove to me that no flying unicorn exist.

Dumb, isn't it?

Originally Posted by giniluv

Gotta love the make a claim from thin air prove me wrong mentality. If SOPA/PIPA pass, expect to see alot more of this at work.

Well I imagine your opinion might differ if I went after you on your claim about lifers. So i would like you to provide some valid facts from Turbine stating that they want lifetimes gone.

Add me to the list..../signed

Originally Posted by Firemane0

Well I imagine your opinion might differ if I went after you on your claim about lifers. So i would like you to provide some valid facts from Turbine stating that they want lifetimes gone.

Go here tomorrow: http://lotrocommunity.com/forum/topi...zpaizsapience/

Originally Posted by giniluv

Go here tomorrow: http://lotrocommunity.com/forum/topi...zpaizsapience/

I want it now. That how it works when you demand proof from others.

Originally Posted by Firemane0

I want it now. That how it works when you demand proof from others.

Most sites on the internet that value freedom of speech are 'on strike' today as a protest to legislation (that WB backs) being introduced.

Read now: http://americancensorship.org/

Try that other link tomorrow.

Why this thread is still in General Discussion and not in LOTRO Store Feedback?

Originally Posted by giniluv

Go here tomorrow: http://lotrocommunity.com/forum/topi...zpaizsapience/

Sorry but I trust nothing that gets posted from that site.

Originally Posted by kedarid

Why this thread is still in General Discussion and not in LOTRO Store Feedback?

I would guess that they haven't gotten around to moving it but considering that for that last few pages its been more of a fight then discussion i imagine it will be deleted.We can keep our fingers crossed it stays

Originally Posted by Eartholloth

Sorry but I trust nothing that gets posted from that site.

Virus issues?

Originally Posted by Venguard

Raising it to 100 is just lame..

Making a topic asking people to /sign is also lame..

This is a forum, which has topics and posts. This is not a petition where people can sign things. When do you people start realising that?

We do it because we think WB Turbine might read the forums. I will guess soon a blue name will come on and say its a bug (Like lootboxes) and they will fix it in update 5.X in 6 months.

Most likely they wil HiPS this thread in some burried sub forum where it wont get too much feedback as usual.

The assertion that lifers are just as likely to buy TP as anyone else was made in response to an assertion that Turbine would "like nothing better" than for long-timers/lifers to leave because they are no longer profitable.

This latter assertion is not only undermined by anecdotal evidence, it also misunderstands the business model as described by Fernando Paiz. F2P is just as much about monetising those willing to pay *more* than what a subscription cost them as it is about drawing in new players and encouraging them to drop $ on TP.

Speaking personally, I bought my lifetime about two years before the switch to F2P. For all that time I contributed nothing to the game's coffers. Since the launch of the store I've spent several hundred £ that Turbine would not otherwise have seen from me. I'm quite happy about this, LOTRO still represents the best value for money hobby I've ever had.

I treat the store just like any other purchase - do I think the benefits to me are worth the costs? If yes, I buy it. If not, I don't. Personally, 100TP for a task counter reset would be too much. If enough people think like that, they won't sell. It's just business.

Originally Posted by Followthelight

We do it because we think WB Turbine might read the forums. I will guess soon a blue name will come on and say its a bug (Like lootboxes) and they will fix it in update 5.X in 6 months

Hoping if no one buys it they will just lower down to 75, after a sale attempt of course :P

Originally Posted by Firemane0

Virus issues?

No it is not virus issues thats for sure

Dont turn this thread into lifers vs rest and TP...its a sure way of getting it closed and out of WB Turbines hair