Thread: Maligning of warg packs a little too extreme

Just seems that, of late, there's been a little more maligning of warg packs in the Landy Moors. Or maybe it's just the dislike is more outspoken than previously. Not sure which, and it doesn't matter, because either way I find it a generalization going with it that's just outright incorrect and lacking in insight.

Are there warg packs that camp rez circles and GV? Are there packs out there that repeatedly zerg the same solos and dous over and over? Are there packs out there that constantly avoid the big fights for the easier facerolls? Yes there are. I won't argue that.

But if I'm leading that pack, I can promise you it's not camping at GV or at a rez circle. Yes, we'll roll over the ocasional straggler or two, but if we hit the same solo more than two or three times, I prefer to let them go (with a few noteworthy exceptions). And I have few reservations about taking a pack against a group of freeps with numbers or power distribution that I think we can have some chance against. And that can include harassing a full freep raid, getting in for a couple kills and getting out. I don't mind getting a bloody nose or burned tail if it means I can also get some tasty freep bacon.

And as for assertions that a stealthed group is just an easy-out ticket to facerolling freeps? To put it plainly, there are some very capable freep raid leaders out there, and I employ stealth and surprise as tactics to match their tactics. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. That's part of the challenge.

Those of you who don't agree with warg packs as a matter of concept, that's your choice, and you likely aren't going to change your mind. But some of us see warg packs as more than a bunch of four-legged gankers out for easy inf.

I dont mind the warg packs when Im in the raid. I mean yes it can be frustrating to die but, hey Im a squishey and thats makes me a tasty target. If the raid doesnt panic and does what the raid leader says......more than not we give better than we get.

I do mind it when 6-8 wargs stealth into my blue keep and interupt my coffer farming session and kill me. Thats just plain rude.

Also, I dont enjoy getting nomed by 4, 5, 6 and up wargs when Im solo. Seeing as I dont even get a chance to get more than 1 or 2 skills off before I come out of the stun.

Maybe the wargs could agree to not knockdown/stun a solo target that they outnumber that greatly to give that solo at least a chance to fight back a lil.

I would REALLY love to see Turbine remove all grey bar skills from the Moors. Slows/roots fine but otherwise let me fight to the death dammit!!

I will still say #### about warg packs, because I have a warg that I play quite often lately, and Im solo 99% of the time and still get more kills than if I was in a warg pack. Also if I jump on a solo freep i give him/her challenge of 1v1, not 6v1, thats what makes pvp a good pvp. But unfortunetly some wargs lack skill so they create warg packs to get easy kills, I will admit that I avoid really good guards and good champs because I have no chance against them, but I never avoid 1v1 OP mini, or rk or lm or even burg and so on. Thats my 2 cents about warg packs.

Since I've been playing on my champ Eirred so much lately, I actually find the warg packs a fun challenge--maybe not as fun when I'm solo, but duoing or trioing those fights can be interesting. AOE! AOE all the things! XD

FD - Can't really argue any of your points and agree with most. Getting gray-barred to death is no fun for anybody, regardless of side.

Originally Posted by sarefx

I will still say #### about warg packs, because I have a warg that I play quite often lately, and Im solo 99% of the time and still get more kills than if I was in a warg pack. Also if I jump on a solo freep i give him/her challenge of 1v1, not 6v1, thats what makes pvp a good pvp. But unfortunetly some wargs lack skill so they create warg packs to get easy kills, I will admit that I avoid really good guards and good champs because I have no chance against them, but I never avoid 1v1 OP mini, or rk or lm or even burg and so on. Thats my 2 cents about warg packs.

And I like soloing with my warg just as much as I do grouping with others. Different challenge for either a different mindset at the time or freep numbers that, IMO, don't warrant forming up or both. I'm not the best soloer out there, but the fun is in trying anyway.

I encounter very few solo wargs nowadays; Arctic, Shakzat, Daizee, Dirtluk.... Most others are at least duo or running 3-4... of course its a guaranteed I'm pounced and near death by the time I can react. I'm still trying to figure out how to bind to a quickslot the /release command. So don't feel too bad Father. Just leave my scholar nodes alone

Originally Posted by sarefx

I will still say #### about warg packs, because I have a warg that I play quite often lately, and Im solo 99% of the time and still get more kills than if I was in a warg pack. Also if I jump on a solo freep i give him/her challenge of 1v1, not 6v1, thats what makes pvp a good pvp. But unfortunetly some wargs lack skill so they create warg packs to get easy kills, I will admit that I avoid really good guards and good champs because I have no chance against them, but I never avoid 1v1 OP mini, or rk or lm or even burg and so on. Thats my 2 cents about warg packs.

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So you will alter your solo play style and engage mostly when you have a good chance to win (or 'good' pvp), but those who group to increase their chance to win (or 'bad' pvp?) will receive your ire. How about the good guards and champs who always beat you? Should they avoid your warg and only engage in challenging fights? Are they bad at pvp when they engage a solo player that they know will not win?

Omg!! Rofl!!!!

Originally Posted by 11Shunhao11

lol awesome

Originally Posted by Leeorin

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So you will alter your solo play style and engage mostly when you have a good chance to win (or 'good' pvp), but those who group to increase their chance to win (or 'bad' pvp?) will receive your ire. How about the good guards and champs who always beat you? Should they avoid your warg and only engage in challenging fights? Are they bad at pvp when they engage a solo player that they know will not win?

Who says its about wining? When a freep engages a solo warg most of the time he trys to escape or fight back and win, or something else, but engaging warg pack guarantees a death in 99% of the time. And yes good guard can kill pro warg, same thing about good champ (with all bubbles) can kill a pro warg, you are saying I should engage them anyways? Fighting a good mini almost guarantees a death, but one lucky crit from me or unlucky crit from mini may bring me victory. Lets comeback to a topic warg packs, like I said before most of wargs creates warg packs so they can get easier kills, you seen arctic or dirt in warg pack? At least I gave you perspective of person who loves 1v1s and soloing.

Originally Posted by sarefx

...And yes good guard can kill pro warg, same thing about good champ (with all bubbles) can kill a pro warg, you are saying I should engage them anyways?.

No, you should play however you choose, much the same way that others players will play as they choose.

Originally Posted by sarefx

...Lets comeback to a topic warg packs, like I said before most of wargs creates warg packs so they can get easier kills, you seen arctic or dirt in warg pack?

I don't know most wargs so I can't comment on the intentions of most wargs.

Originally Posted by sarefx

...At least I gave you perspective of person who loves 1v1s and soloing.

I appreciate your perspective; I also try to appreciate the perspective of others as well.

Originally Posted by FatherDamien

I do mind it when 6-8 wargs stealth into my blue keep and interupt my coffer farming session and kill me. Thats just plain rude.

Hmm.. PvP in a PvP zone that you choose to be in is rude.... I'm sure there are better places to farm if that's all you are interested in

I liek warg pack on my champ, bring em on!

Why pick on wargs? Burgs seem to come in 2s and 3s these days, and then of course that well known phenomena of a minstrel pack (band, orchestra...idk) that happens daily - of and of course that hardy perennial the group of 'lets all stand in camo and gank any single creep at 40 meters' hunters....

Warg packs, of which there are remarkably less of than you think, go round in a group for a reason, because their targets are going around in a group - its causality. As for ganking solo players, they dont even own the copyright for that, let alone the monopoly!

Originally Posted by Jassiminn

Hmm.. PvP in a PvP zone that you choose to be in is rude.... I'm sure there are better places to farm if that's all you are interested in

Sarcasam and humor just dont transfer though the web sometimes. 8-)

Originally Posted by FatherDamien

Also, I dont enjoy getting nomed by 4, 5, 6 and up wargs when Im solo. Seeing as I dont even get a chance to get more than 1 or 2 skills off before I come out of the stun.

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Yes, cause running in a raid against a bunch of rank 0-4 creeps and camping them every single day at the rez, grams, or where ever else the freep zerg pleases is so much more manly and sporting.


In general:
Freeps take your freaking 1 death to 50 kills a bit more lightheartedly. Better yet, if you whine about a warg pack go play creepside (not a warg) a bit and see how much you like that. There is a reason more wargs are coming out and packing up, they are the only ones who stand even half a chance out there.

There is a reason minis and others who were never in the moors before RoI are now rank 7-9 <easy mode>

Originally Posted by gleowine

Yes, cause running in a raid against a bunch of rank 0-4 creeps and camping them every single day at the rez, grams, or where ever else the freep zerg pleases is so much more manly and sporting.


In general:
Freeps take your freaking 1 death to 50 kills a bit more lightheartedly. Better yet, if you whine about a warg pack go play creepside (not a warg) a bit and see how much you like that. There is a reason more wargs are coming out and packing up, they are the only ones who stand even half a chance out there.

Oh honey. You didn't read the thread, did you?

Originally Posted by KristTsirk

Oh honey. You didn't read the thread, did you?

Actually, I did read it. Hence, why I posted the way I did, as all my posts go that way these days. I'm here only to bring sunshine into the hearts of all.

lol.. yeah.. creeps don't do warg packs .. lol .. kettle meet pot

Originally Posted by FatherDamien

I would REALLY love to see Turbine remove all grey bar skills from the Moors. Slows/roots fine but otherwise let me fight to the death dammit!!

Just FYI:

I know how annoying greybar skills are... they arent for freeps only. All I have to say is: STUPID BURG! ARRRGGGHHHH
The burglars are just as annoying as stalkers, and their equivalent of the warg pack is the spam stundust XD

.However I would not remove grey bar skills because as a warg, I know it is an integral part of their gameplay style and fellowship merit.

So what if some people abuse that? EVERYTHING in a game like this that is worth using can be used (ARRRGGH BUBBLES! ARRGHHH ROOTS! etc. lol)

But that's just my opinion... anyone else who reads this might have different ideas.

In closing: A good warg pack might not need it, but solo wargs most DEFINITELY DO unless they have super man strength capabilities. If you're a noob like me we would all get pwned hopelessly without are grey bar skills.

This is a thread that did not need bumping.