Thema: Scroll of Greater Empowerment

Hello, yesterday I used scroll of greater empowerment on a Major Tier 2 legacy and it was downgraded to Minor Tier 2. At first, I thought it was suppose to be like that but then asked my friend and said that it was suppose to upgrade to Major Tier 3. I then used my second Scroll of Greater Empowerment on the same legacy and it only upgraded to Minor Tier 3. So I filled in a Bug report yesterday and received no reply, can someone please confirm if this is a bug and what to do if I haven't received a reply, yet? Thanks

Are you positive you didn't use a legacy replacement scroll by accident?
AFAIK, the only way you can turn a major into a minor is by doing that.
Also, the legacy name is the same, but now it is minor?
Screenshot?

as the guy before me said, are you sure it is the same legacy?
because, whet you just described is virtually impossible, since you can't change whether a legacy is minor/major, since minor and major are two different legacy pools.

and, I think that not even legacy replacement scrolls can do that, because you can change only the legacies from the same pool as the scroll with it (minor scrolls for minor legacies, major scrolls for major legacies)

You can definitely replace a major with minor (did it the other day) but you can't go the opposite direction, for obvious reasons. You can create a LI with all minor legacies if that floats your boat

Zitat von Kaldenas

(minor scrolls for minor legacies, major scrolls for major legacies)

Minors (and stat scrolls) can replace either major or minor legacies. Major scrolls can only replace major legacies.

do you mean you can, for example, change Fire skill damage (major) into a Fire skill damage (minor) or that you can change Fire skill damage (major) into, say, Vivid imagery targets (minor)?

Zitat von Azerog

Minors (and stat scrolls) can replace either major or minor legacies. Major scrolls can only replace major legacies.

ohh, I get it now lol. thanks for that.

but, the original question remains... how could he "downgrade" his legacy form major to minor...?

Zitat von Kaldenas

ohh, I get it now lol. thanks for that.

but, the original question remains... how could he "downgrade" his legacy form major to minor...?

You can not do what the Thread starter is referring to. There is no scroll that changes slots from major to minor or minor to major. At lot of us wish there is a minor to major slot conversion scroll. I guess when you applied it you get a random major legacy because there is no such thing as an empty legacy socket.

In order to do what is described he must have used a minor legacy replacement scroll. Not an empowerment scroll. Easy enough to make these kind of mistakes if you are tired, dsitracted or mental impaired because of the consumption of alcohol or similar substances.

Let me make something clear, I did not have any minor replacement scrolls in my inventory and If I did it was probably the level 65 which couldn't be used on my new level 75 second age runestone. Also, I remember having 2 scroll of greater empowerments and using one on the tier then using it again to try upgrade it back to major tier 2. So I believe it was bugged but I don't know if the bug is still active, can't the GMs check my activity on the runestone which will tell if it was a bug or not?

Zitat von Runestrel

I did not have any minor replacement scrolls in my inventory and If I did it was probably the level 65 which couldn't be used on my new level 75 second age runestone. ?

Loving this sentence.
I didn't have THIS
And if I did have THIS, it would PROBABLY be something I couldnt have made the mistake with...
Way to sound sure of yourself....



You should have saved the chat that described these events to have proof of the item you used.
And i'm pretty sure you CAN use the minor legacy scroll that came from a lvl 65 on a 75 item.

And you say it changed form Mayor to Minor, but the legacy is the same?
So you would now have a Minor legacy that is normally mayor?
If that is the case you have something very unique and it is easily proven.

if it's ANOTHER legacy that is minor...suck it up. You made a mistake.
Did you perhaps just deconstructed your old 75 runestone because you got your second age?
Your old runestone would probably be lvl 31+ and a legacy scroll would have come of that.
You might have used that one by accident.
( Altho you would still be missing 1 scroll of greater empowerment. Maybe that is still in vault, or bag?)

Zitat von Jarnos

Loving this sentence.
I didn't have THIS
And if I did have THIS, it would PROBABLY be something I couldnt have made the mistake with...
Way to sound sure of yourself....



You should have saved the chat that described these events to have proof of the item you used.
And i'm pretty sure you CAN use the minor legacy scroll that came from a lvl 65 on a 75 item.

And you say it changed form Mayor to Minor, but the legacy is the same?
So you would now have a Minor legacy that is normally mayor?
If that is the case you have something very unique and it is easily proven.

if it's ANOTHER legacy that is minor...suck it up. You made a mistake.
Did you perhaps just deconstructed your old 75 runestone because you got your second age?
Your old runestone would probably be lvl 31+ and a legacy scroll would have come of that.
You might have used that one by accident.
( Altho you would still be missing 1 scroll of greater empowerment. Maybe that is still in vault, or bag?)

I checked my inventory and there is a minor legacy replacement and the maximum level is 65 and my rune-stone is level 75, so according to common sense, I won't be able to use it on a level 75 rune-stone if the maximum is level 65. Yes the legacy stays intact but its changed from a Major Tier 2 to a Minor Tier 2 but now 3. No, I NEVER made a mistake and I checked my vault and bag and there is no sign of that scroll. And this is why my theory of this being a bug is true and your tone gives me the idea that you think this game is perfect without any bugs or flaws. Please, I don't have time to waste to listen to every one of your methods trying to prove me wrong. Before posting this thread, I did think and I know exactly what I used so unless you have a suggestion about what I could do to change it back to a major or check the status on the bug report, then be my guest.

Zitat von Runestrel

And this is why my theory of this being a bug is true

There is nothing we can do, except advice you to open a /bug.
I am not sure about Customer Support being able to help you, but do open a ticket, just in case.

However, to address your original post, and the lack of trust by the previous posters: what you describe is REALLY unheard of. As Yula said, if it were so you could easily prove, since you now have an legendary item which has a Minor Legacy with the name of a Major Legacy...we are all a bit baffled at that happening, sure there's Dragoich going brain-dead and instance finder sleeping, but this...this is surely entertaining (At least to those of us, I guess it's not to you). Could you please post that screenshot? Come on, we're curious.

Zitat von Runestrel

Let me make something clear, I did not have any minor replacement scrolls in my inventory and If I did it was probably the level 65 which couldn't be used on my new level 75 second age runestone.

Sure they can. I routinely use level 65 items to grow new leagacies.

Zitat von Runestrel

So I believe it was bugged but I don't know if the bug is still active, can't the GMs check my activity on the runestone which will tell if it was a bug or not?

No idea as to what they can or can not check. I suspect it is logged but not easy to get at. The log is probably used for data mining and the fraud department.

If you are convinced it is a bug. Submit a bug report. Move on. The Game Masters do not offer mulligans for this kind of issue.

Zitat von Runestrel

I checked my inventory and there is a minor legacy replacement and the maximum level is 65 and my rune-stone is level 75, so according to common sense, I won't be able to use it on a level 75 rune-stone if the maximum is level 65. Yes the legacy stays intact but its changed from a Major Tier 2 to a Minor Tier 2 but now 3. No, I NEVER made a mistake and I checked my vault and bag and there is no sign of that scroll. And this is why my theory of this being a bug is true and your tone gives me the idea that you think this game is perfect without any bugs or flaws. Please, I don't have time to waste to listen to every one of your methods trying to prove me wrong. Before posting this thread, I did think and I know exactly what I used so unless you have a suggestion about what I could do to change it back to a major or check the status on the bug report, then be my guest.

Then post a screenshot of your item with a major legacy that has turned into a minor. If you can't do that, which I very much doubt you can (as what you describe has never happened to any other player), it was your mistake.

Zitat von Runestrel

I checked my inventory and there is a minor legacy replacement and the maximum level is 65 and my rune-stone is level 75, so according to common sense, I won't be able to use it on a level 75 rune-stone if the maximum is level 65. Yes the legacy stays intact but its changed from a Major Tier 2 to a Minor Tier 2 but now 3. No, I NEVER made a mistake and I checked my vault and bag and there is no sign of that scroll. And this is why my theory of this being a bug is true and your tone gives me the idea that you think this game is perfect without any bugs or flaws. Please, I don't have time to waste to listen to every one of your methods trying to prove me wrong. Before posting this thread, I did think and I know exactly what I used so unless you have a suggestion about what I could do to change it back to a major or check the status on the bug report, then be my guest.

Why is it important it becomes Mayor again?
The Legacy should be the same, just not the right tier.
Or does the legacy have different stats as well now it's minor instead of mayor ( besides the tier 3 it is now instead of 4)
If they switch it to mayor tier 3, it will be the same right?

And I know this game has bugs, but many things posted on this forum as bugged are actually player mistakes, or WAI.
You don't provide much ( any?) proof so people are just suggesting other things that could have happened.

Simply post a picture of the minor Legacy that should be mayor.

About checking status: Did you get a reference number or anything?

You might want to just check yourself. What is the legacy now? What was it before? A Scroll of Empowerment doesn't have a legacy attached to it, just a tier. Scrolls of Empowerment (Greater and Lesser) change the TIER. That is all they do. You need a legacy scroll to actually change the legacy.

But, let's assume that you encountered some completely weird bug where your GSoE picked a random minor legacy from the pool and replaced your major legacy. This would be a substantial bug and it would be necessary for the GSoE to do a number of things it doesn't normally do, determine the item class, scan the minor legacy pool, randomly generate one, and apply it.

Unfortunately, the moment you realized this occurred, your next action should have been to take a screen shot of your chat showing the action taken. Then you would have seen something like: GSoE applies Minor Legacy of XXX to Champion's Sword. But since you're not able to provide a screenshot, it is easier to assume it was operator error than that the GSoE behaved so erratically.

But definitely report it. Somewhere in the great GM universe, perhaps they have heard of this happening before and will help you fix it. Or perhaps they can check your logs and at least tell you what did happen.

To the OP: if you have a screenie of this sort of thing it is easily shown to be a bug. There's no need to show anyone here, other than to prove your claim that it wasn't accidentally a minor scroll you used.

So screenie it, /bug it, and then when turbine gms say they can't help you whatsoever......well, the only thing you can do at that point in rebellion is cancel your sub.

Life sucks

Seeing as I don't have that proof and the GM hasn't replied and its been a few days might as well just give up with continuing on with this bug report. Thanks for all the posts, you've all been a great help!

He used a legacy replacement scroll in error. Nothing more to this...