I'm asking this in all seriousness so excuse my ignorance, but, is it the Rank 10's that needed the most help? Is it possible that the ranks that saw the greatest increase were actually the lower ranks?
I know that the higher ranks were looking to return to 1v1 parity and I understand the disappointment. However, is it possible that larger mitigations across the largest subset of the Creep population will still provide a large boost overall?
I'm asking this in all seriousness so excuse my ignorance, but, is it the Rank 10's that needed the most help? Is it possible that the ranks that saw the greatest increase were actually the lower ranks?
I know that the higher ranks were looking to return to 1v1 parity and I understand the disappointment. However, is it possible that larger mitigations across the largest subset of the Creep population will still provide a large boost overall?
No, because in order to work, there have to be high level creeps to command the forces. The low ranks don't know how to group or even play. And once they learn how to play and learn that they are ranking for no reason (stats don't get any better) they quit. The end result is a cyclical "creep flight" from the moors and an unending fox-hunt of freeps preying on unranked creeps. The quality of a PUG creep group is so fail that words cannot begin to describe it. The most balanced play comes from high ranked creeps grouping with a small portion of low ranks being apprenticed. This is how Azanakh brought up many of the high ranked players, who have now either quit or splinter off into small groups or hide doing 1v1s.
Mitigations HAVE to be fixed on the individual level. You cannot take a gestalt view of the moors, because people don't play as raids, they play as individuals.
I knew it. Giving mits back, while nice, pretty much adds up to "Cool, now I get hit for 4900 a hit instead of 5k" and yet they still blew it.
Freeps have been redesigned for a PvE world. That's first and foremost the concern. Although I have to say could they possibly make the PvE any less of a challenge? Only challenge is to design your groups with less people and less than ideal classes. PvP sadly, just isn't really taken into consideration. Turbine doesn't care about PvP. LOTRO is not a PvP game, never was. PvP was thrown in as a side thought and nothing more. LOTRO is a PvE game, freeps are where the money's at. This game is simply easy-mode for freeps and creeps are just a bump in the road, just another deed to complete and way to get armour. It's like farming flies in the shire for Determination. And with the game having gone to F2P, making it even easier was likely a necessity for all the people who come into a game that are not "hard core". I still say it seems like they are trying to do everything possible to get people disinterested in it so they can just kill it as a failed idea. "Oh well, we tried doing PvP for you and you didn't like what we did."
Seriously, there is just no way to keep "accidentally" screwing up on this grand of a scale and to not understand by now what needs to be done. It's a complete joke.
I played this game since the beginning. I loved it and the people. Still love the people, but I've lost interest since over time the only thing I enjoyed was creepside after spending years nonstop freeping in PvE and PvP. Part of me keep hoping things will be balanced out because I'd love to play from time to time, but it's pretty apparent that's just not going to happen. There's obviously other issues I have with the PvP, but the fact that the developer obviously doesn't have a care in the world for many players is pretty much enough for me.
It's much more fun getting ganked by high levels in open world PvP while trying to quest. Especially when you turn the tables on them and kill them while they are 20+ levels above you. Most satisfying and appropriate CJing ever. Or when every lowbie in the area gathers up to zerg them in response to their continued gankings on low levels because they are too fail to go fight someone their own level. Granted it can get frustrating, but then I expect to be destroyed in a few hits by someone high level, not by someone my own level.
There is no reason Legion couldn't still own the Moors. Gothnon + anyone = unbeatable except by twice their numbers. I understand the desire to solo or small group since it offers the greatest rewards for the time spent. That's how I prefer to spend my time in the Moors. But if the need is for the high ranks to whip the rabble into shape, why aren't they? Why are the Creep leaders farming Creeps on their Freeps right now? The high ranks won't lead unless they have 1v1 parity?
Not worth the struggle anymore when the stats are so unfair. It's like saying, "hey you could make enough money if you worked two jobs". Well yeah I could, but you make 4 times as much as I do and only work one job where you don't do anything. So yeah, why should I flip burgers AND clean toilets while you sit behind a desk all day. Not happening. It's human nature to want to win. I have fun on my Minstrel because everything dies around me. On my warg, I have trouble with the most awful keyboard turners, much less the good players. I'm gonna play to have fun every time.
There is no reason Legion couldn't still own the Moors. Gothnon + anyone = unbeatable except by twice their numbers. I understand the desire to solo or small group since it offers the greatest rewards for the time spent. That's how I prefer to spend my time in the Moors. But if the need is for the high ranks to whip the rabble into shape, why aren't they? Why are the Creep leaders farming Creeps on their Freeps right now? The high ranks won't lead unless they have 1v1 parity?
Hey Cariance, go lead creep raids. You want balance in the moors right and it's so easy to do right? So go do it. Why just sit on your freep and farm instead? Come on, give it a shot.
Swtor keeps looking better and better with each Lotro update...
DO IT! And if you do, come play with me, Chef, Badcop and others republic side... or at least come say hi since I love you, especially after that recent post to the IRL thread. Didn't think I'd care for it, but it's so much fun and I'm glad Chef dragged me over there. Definitely worth giving it a shot. Honestly can't remember the last time I was this excited about a game, even the PvE. Chef and I are both struggling against becoming nerdy fanboys, but I think the damage is done.
As much as I loved LOTRO, I was never quite this geeked over a game. So far, it's pretty impressive how they seem to care about the game, fixing/balancing things out and interacting with/responding to the community. Last night's update they fixed the PvP warzones so they will be more level balanced, I look forward to seeing the result. It was fun before, even with the imbalance, but sometimes it was just far too skewed depending on how many high levels were queued up on one side or the other. Granted it's still early, but with as good of a job they seem to have done early on, it's impressive.
There's plenty of Ridder people spread across various servers to play with and of course, it's easy to avoid them if you choose to, heh. I've popped into a couple servers just to find some folks and say hi, it's nice to be able to find the Ridder family out and about.
Of course, I still have this sick attachment to LOTRO and a fleeting hope that things will improve, I do miss my defiler.
Hey Cariance, go lead creep raids. You want balance in the moors right and it's so easy to do right? So go do it. Why just sit on your freep and farm instead? Come on, give it a shot.
/Aza
Farm eh? Congrats on Rank 7, your RK got there fast.
i usually try not to complain much i have no fear of dying in the moors but this thing with the mits is just rediculous they knew they screwed it up said they were going to fix it and didnt. this is just sickening to me. either turbine wants to kill pvp or the dev needs fired idk wich but i give up on the moors for now
Farm eh? Congrats on Rank 7, your RK got there fast.
He was at rank 6 when roi came out. I would not consider that fast... not that you are actually trying to make a valid point.
What you are trying to do however is lash out at me because your emotions are in a twist. Your sense of inferiority is feeling the need to compensate, thus the need to try and insult me. You may want to try and cloak your attempts a bit better next time instead of opening yourself up so much.
ps: So Cariance, are you going to start leading creep raids now?
RoI came out September 27th and you gained all but 500 of your renown since then. WTB Aza a fact checker. You can try to turn this around, but you just look silly. I haven't led one Creep raid in my time in this game. Why would I be the person to best help the Creeps? I have barely led raids on Freep side and have no passion for the big fights anymore. You on the other hand are the famous Aza. Yet not only have you abandoned your side, you're piling on. I am sorry, but there is no way for you to look good here.
DO IT! And if you do, come play with me, Chef, Badcop and others republic side... or at least come say hi since I love you, especially after that recent post to the IRL thread. Didn't think I'd care for it, but it's so much fun and I'm glad Chef dragged me over there. Definitely worth giving it a shot. Honestly can't remember the last time I was this excited about a game, even the PvE. Chef and I are both struggling against becoming nerdy fanboys, but I think the damage is done.
I would have already tried it, but the "pay $60 before play" is scary. Though, my brother did buy it, so I'm going to play on his account for a bit today and see if I like it.
I would have already tried it, but the "pay $60 before play" is scary. Though, my brother did buy it, so I'm going to play on his account for a bit today and see if I like it.
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Ah yes, I forgot about that part. There really should be a trial.
I thought it was a blast from the beginning, but it really starts getting good after level 10, which seems about standard. That's when the different classes come into play and the PvP begins, though 14 seems to be the standard to wait for PvP since you'll have sprint.
i agree that this is a pve gm now.in that fact they get payd from vip plyrs. tho the f2p was to get more people to try n join lotro which it has done on a big scale.i myself started as a f2p just shortly after it became so.long story short i got hookd got vip an reachd max lvl, but then what sit an trol in glff.no u go to the moors its the only real past time we hav,so we go out ther an can kill almost as easy as in pve. its fun yes not going to lie who dont like killing on this gm u want to feel an b as beasty as u can.so heres my point if lotro dont do something about pvp then ull hav these new gms that come out and draw us away slowly but surely.after awhile whose realy going to b left im sure there will still b hardcore plyrs but what will they do if pvp dies out or is taken out then wht?i for 1 hope it dont happen thats exactly why iv ran nothing but a creep latly tryng to c how bad it was for creeps. honestly its bad to the point where i c why theres less an less new creeps coming out an staying.it feels like an never ending struggle to reach something thats not realy wrth it right now.in essence once the creeps die pvp dies and if that happens whats the point to being vip.the way i thought it was u do pve to get ur gear an stuff then head ur butt to the moors an c what ur made of.
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Granted it can get frustrating, but then I expect to be destroyed in a few hits by someone high level, not by someone my own level.
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