Thread: Some worrying behaviour

So I was in globallff channel yesterday as I always am, and on occasion there has been the odd heated chat but what I saw yesterday bordered on abuse and harassment and was quite ugly to read.

It was along the lines of a f2p mini either looking to join or starting a raid cant remember which now, the long and short of it was he only had 2 traits equipped, this lead to some rather, in my view unnecessary abuse of the player in question, one even told him he shouldn't be playing unless he was paying, that he was useless at the game etc etc thankfully a few did stick up for him but I think he had left by then, cant say I blame him if he did.

Now I've not been a mmo player for all that long, FPS has been my game of choice for many years and you get used to the abuse in those kind of games its just well, to be expected.
I remember when I first gave this game a go, it was f2p that got me in. I was a total noob where it came to mmo's, I asked a few mates to try and and 2 of them stuck with it and we all got hooked and went VIP. I recall being helped by a few people along the way, most going out of their way to help. No one screamed OMG NOOB at me though I'm sure some despaired at my silly questions.

I myself now try to be helpful to newer players or just those in need of a hand. I hope it is just a phase but lately I have noticed a decisively "Elitist" behaviour popping up in game where unless you fill certain criteria your just not going to be included or, as was the case in chat your traits are s**t and your only f2p go away and only come back when you can pay for the game.

For the most part people are still friendly and helpful but this snarky chat of late seems to be a worrying trend I can only hope it will be reversed soon.

God I hate that kind of people... just because he is paying it doesn't mean he has some unlimited knowledge of the game, or has the right to judge free players and behave like that. I can guarantee you that being VIP doesn't mean you are better at the game. Frankly, I know a lot of both VIP's and free players, and I can tell you that sometimes free players are much better both generally and on specifics, while on the other hand, VIPs had no clue about what they were doing quite often.

I certainly hope that this doesn't scare the said player away from the game. I think that this kind of harassment should be punishable.

The raid was Orthanc and I think the discussion was not about this guy being f2p, was more about he only had 2 class traits, 2 virtues and 1 legendary available. That means he cant play the class well at all (no capstone, no class bonus, no Zeal/Valour/Tolerance/Fidelity combo etc), ergo he will not be useful in Orthanc. Cant blame the raid leader there, tbh.

Originally Posted by Juanra

The raid was Orthanc and I think the discussion was not about this guy being f2p, was more about he only had 2 class traits, 2 virtues and 1 legendary available. That means he cant play the class well at all (no capstone, no class bonus, no Zeal/Valour/Tolerance/Fidelity combo etc), ergo he will not be useful in Orthanc. Cant blame the raid leader there, tbh.

I gather from some of the chat he had done several instances before and had done ok as a healer. Whatever happened to never judge a book by its cover.
It seems the rush to get all the glittery stuff has clouded some peoples judgement and made them forget that this is a game where people are supposed to help each other out. Along that path, many have taken to be quite abusive and personal about it.

Originally Posted by MrSandman70

I gather from some of the chat he had done several instances before and had done ok as a healer. Whatever happened to never judge a book by its cover.
It seems the rush to get all the glittery stuff has clouded some peoples judgement and made them forget that this is a game where people are supposed to help each other out. Along that path, many have taken to be quite abusive and personal about it.

Instances as raids? I doubt it.

Only 2 class traits and 1 legendary means that you are VERY limited to play that character in raids.

I was f2p until lvl 54 and I had all possible traits unlocked at the time. Being F2P is no excuse.

Originally Posted by Juanra

Instances as raids? I doubt it.

Only 2 class traits and 1 legendary means that you are VERY limited to play that character in raids.

I was f2p until lvl 54 and I had all possible traits unlocked at the time. Being F2P is no excuse.

So rude personal abuse of a player is ok because he doesn't have all the whistles and bells and he deserves it?

Originally Posted by MrSandman70

So rude personal abuse of a player is ok because he doesn't have all the whistles and bells and he deserves it?

I didnt say that. Quote me if I did.

Originally Posted by MrSandman70

I have noticed a decisively "Elitist" behaviour popping up in game where unless you fill certain criteria

Hard content requires characters to be better prepared. Is that elitist? Yeah, right. If you don't give a damn about your own character, you cant blame people for not inviting you to their raids.

Originally Posted by MrSandman70

So rude personal abuse of a player is ok because he doesn't have all the whistles and bells and he deserves it?

Absolutely not. there is no excuse for that type of abuse in game. f2p was inplemented by the designers so they must feel that it is possible to raid with only the traits that are available to f2p. Will it be more difficult? Yes. But I'm certain that it can be done if the players themselves are skilled.

I had a thought about this subject as it seems that its going to keep rearing its ugly head. Why don't some of the f2p people start their own kinships? Kinships that only accept f2p persons. Then if you just organized raids within your kinship you could completely eliminate having to deal with VIPs that don't like that you only have 2 traits. They would have to figure out what to do if someone upgrades their account to VIP but that could all be discussed up front by the officers. Just a thought....

Originally Posted by Juanra

I was f2p until lvl 54 and I had all possible traits unlocked at the time. Being F2P is no excuse.

it's true that it really isn't hard to get your trait slots unlocked, even as f2p.
but still, being VIP doesn't give you the right to harass someone to the point of him logging out.

Originally Posted by Kaldenas

it's true that it really isn't hard to get your trait slots unlocked, even as f2p.
but still, being VIP doesn't give you the right to harass someone to the point of him logging out.

Im not defending that guy, Cil lol. But logging out seemed a bit drastic, tbh. Ignore button exists for a reason, and you can always report the man for harrassment too.

Originally Posted by Juanra

Cant blame the raid leader there, tbh.

It wasn't actually anything to do with the raid leader. Basically someone started a PUG ToO Raid. He said he'd like to come if possible but all of a sudden, he started ranting and have a direct go at this minstrel.

Now just because the minstrel in question didn't have all virtues and that, that doesn't mean they couldn't go ToO, I once did OD Shadow Wing T2 with 5+ people being ftp but going off topic here.

There was no reason to go and abuse that guy. After so many minutes the minstrel left and went offline due it the shouting he had been given. I felt so sorry for him.

I hate people that do that and it was just pathetic. It's a game, you play to have fun, that doesn't mean you MUST pay to play on a free to play game.



On another note, about 10 minutes after this discussion there was a hour and a half long debate about politics and then what countries would go to war with each other? I mean W T *? This is a game, if you want to discuss that, do it in your own time, in tells, on skype, not somewhere it will annoy and bother other people.

-Thore.

Originally Posted by Thorebane

It wasn't actually anything to do with the raid leader. Basically someone started a PUG ToO Raid. He said he'd like to come if possible but all of a sudden, he started ranting and have a direct go at this minstrel.

Now just because the minstrel in question didn't have all virtues and that, that doesn't mean they couldn't go ToO, I once did OD Shadow Wing T2 with 5+ people being ftp but going off topic here.

There was no reason to go and abuse that guy. After so many minutes the minstrel left and went offline due it the shouting he had been given. I felt so sorry for him.

I hate people that do that and it was just pathetic. It's a game, you play to have fun, that doesn't mean you MUST pay to play on a free to play game.



On another note, about 10 minutes after this discussion there was a hour and a half long debate about politics and then what countries would go to war with each other? I mean W T *? This is a game, if you want to discuss that, do it in your own time, in tells, on skype, not somewhere it will annoy and bother other people.

-Thore.

Im pretty sure those 5 f2p players did have all class and legendary traits available in OD, right? Thats not the same.

Im not defending or attacking anyone here, just saying that I understand people that don't want to do Orthanc with a mini that has only 2 class traits.

P.S: U mean fear wing?