I want to start a thread about the respect in Ettemors, a rare thing, that I see only from few players.
I'm not talking about skills, but honour in battle and respecting each other fun. My vote is based after Roi, since the game changed so much in the last period.
This thread is a load of ####, lets show who we think of our friends is respectful, or people that we like. Cut the #### will you, no one respects each other anymore, just get used to it.
If you want a cuddle everyone you think is so god-damn-awesome then go play hello kitty online or something, might get some luck out of that.
Till last year the most respected player award was included in the pvmp awards of the year but nowadays... respect is something Snowbourn players aren't used to anymore.
CREEPS
Bloodtail leads it. He really is the "only" creep that always attacks me. He lives every fight as a challenge and doesn't choose his own opponent. Win or death, he "always" play fair, never runs away and never gives up. That's why, probably, he's one of the strongest.
Second place is shared by all those creeps that show me the same respect I give em. They're so many.. Hej, Vele, Kori, Tekluk, Killerpaw, Knallwurst, Amardil, Ullwarg, Dezburz, Gaxaz and many many others, included some new players like Ninioni.
Third place is for all soloing creeps. They're really brave, almost suicidal considering unbalance we got.. The very most of them, but Bloodtail only, choose their opponent, run away when they meet someone they know they would die against and, sometimes, join others soloers forming little gy ganking packs. Dired is the best example. Some freeps call these creeps easymoders but there's nothing easy on roaming alone and they know they won't be able to choose always the opponent.. death is certain but they still like the challenge.
Fourth place is for Legolandjie himself. He really is an arrow in the dark... I always promise myself to kill him one day but I never manage to find him alone or nearly. Me and him have unfinished business.
Fifth place is for Muzzard. He's not the same Muzzard I knew. I've seen him ganking afk players (a respected freep like Salahad) in good ta and twice starting a 1vs1 with me before I could dismount. He's still, probably, the strongest 1vs1 enemy I can find in whole Snow and he has my respect, though it seems I have not his one as in the past.
I've also a special mention for Ichor. He really is the most respectful creep I've seen while playing creepside. Never asking for help but always thanking when he receives it. He's not a solo roamer but still he's always in the front line and he's not afraid of death. He's also one of the most coherent players I've ever seen. Maybe I'm wrong but during the few time I've played creepside I've never read a single insult or complaint by him. He's probably the most beloved
About the rest.. I'm trying to respect all creeps and I think I'm doing it well, if I still can respect somehow Prasivec, after a billion ganks.
FREEPS
I find it very hard to name some freeps I respect at most. Nowadays 99% of them hide behind a zerging group or camp all day long a graveyard. I'm really disappointed by freeps but still.. if I have to name those I respect the most, I'd say Tolgaring, Salahad and Grothjunior. Probably they're the only freeps that love solo pvmp and that doesn't join or like gy camping and easy gaming.
Thanks Nav for keeping me there, but want to say that I will kill afk freeps in general, purely because the majority of the time everyone goes for me while I'm outnumbered, there are people who give me opportunities now and then so thanks to them. Felt the need to say something after I saw what you wrote this.
I personally respect more or less every freep and creep, there are those who stand out for their outstanding skill and kindness. Also those who set out to have fun, I love those people! If you're one of these people keep on doing what you are doing.
Lol I don't mind Muzz. Besides this happened when we were moving the whole 1v1 thing to good grimwood. But one of these days I'll have to find you and fight you, untill I beat you. You're damn tough, even tougher than before RoI if I may say so.
As for the thread, I do like this --> "Also those who set out to have fun" and I totally agree, imo this is what ettens SHOULD be about! Anyway I'll post my thoughts later maybe, too hard to think now and to be honest I respect everyone, some more than other of course but still.
Rofl laughing at this thread. They always end in a popularity contest or kissing ****, not who is best or most respected. So, a respected high ranked creep kills afk players for very easy infamy and those he done it too still kiss his **** and suck it up. So funny lol.
“It needs but one foe to breed a war, and those who have not swords can still die upon them.”
J.R.R.Tolkien
I'm not kissing anyone's " **** ". I'm not here to please people, but I am here to enjoy ettens with people. Which means indeed, if I die, I suck it up. It's just a game. If it were a low rank creep (as it so often is as well), I still wouldn't matter, I would say exactly the same as I do now to Muzz. But of course maybe that's hard to believe for you. Not my problem.
Iyvan and Liliam are my top two freeps, both very skilled and they play a complicated class.
Bloodtail and Muzzard, both are fair but deadly, solo mainly but they are always respectful and very skilled.
The majority of Creeps have bought skills or never really solo, how can a rank 5 + with fully bought skills be respected, take away the skills and traits they shouldnt have, then see how 80% of them will suck, even then them who buy all the fall immunity buffs and such, clear advantage always wins :-)
The majority of Creeps have bought skills or never really solo, how can a rank 5 + with fully bought skills be respected, take away the skills and traits they shouldnt have, then see how 80% of them will suck, even then them who buy all the fall immunity buffs and such, clear advantage always wins :-)
I dont agree with this. I solo with my warg before roi when we was under CM. I gain "thanks" to TR GY soloing R6 (I solo on TR GY from R2). And it was rly painfull. But when Shop comes up I buy just 4 skills. 3 racials ( Foe of light, Pack Aplha, Pack Mentality) and Shadow Howler (this skill is rly usefull), and "my" play is more confortable for me. I dont buy and other skills. Others I wanna gain by ranking.
And who is Most respected player/s after roi?
ME! (joke)
ha - ha
The majority of Creeps have bought skills or never really solo, how can a rank 5 + with fully bought skills be respected, take away the skills and traits they shouldnt have, then see how 80% of them will suck, even then them who buy all the fall immunity buffs and such, clear advantage always wins :-)
I wasn't going to post in here, mainly because it does seem like just another popularity/fame thread over an actual skill thread, but I'm going to have to agree with this bit.
The huge majority of creeps I'm fighting now have all got bought skills in one way or another. I like to think of it as cheating, since that's exactly what it is. So usually I will refrain from using cds when fighting low rank creeps but the minute I see them pop a skill that they're rank doesn't allow, all bets are off. They won't be getting any infamy off of me, since clearly they don't want to rank, they just want to buy from the Store.
The majority of Creeps have bought skills or never really solo, how can a rank 5 + with fully bought skills be respected, take away the skills and traits they shouldnt have, then see how 80% of them will suck, even then them who buy all the fall immunity buffs and such, clear advantage always wins :-)
You guys make me laugh. Its unbelievable how you have the courage to complain! The umbalance between freeps and creeps is just ridiculous! And you keep complaining about creep morale and store skills!! Dont you understand that Turbine hates creeps, and the only possibility until rank 9-10 to survive even to npcs is to buy skills? They obviously do it on purpose so ppl spend money on TP! This game keeps going on, more levels and more powerfull characters, but not for creeps.
I do not like this pay to win thing. But it is what Turbine give us.
Freeps complaining are just plain ridiculous.
P.S. The only freep class almost balanced is Captain, the only creep class almost as OP as freeps is BA. Try to play a spider without melee fear (rank 10 skill). Just TRY.
You guys make me laugh. Its unbelievable how you have the courage to complain! The umbalance between freeps and creeps is just ridiculous! And you keep complaining about creep morale and store skills!! Dont you understand that Turbine hates creeps, and the only possibility until rank 9-10 to survive even to npcs is to buy skills? They obviously do it on purpose so ppl spend money on TP! This game keeps going on, more levels and more powerfull characters, but not for creeps.
I do not like this pay to win thing. But it is what Turbine give us.
Freeps complaining are just plain ridiculous.
P.S. The only freep class almost balanced is Captain, the only creep class almost as OP as freeps is BA. Try to play a spider without melee fear (rank 10 skill). Just TRY.
Whos complaining? Not me, my main freep is a Cappy, and if we dont crit its not easy, we are of course alot better. My main creep is a WL, i have no bought skills, hes R7, i manage just fine, R5 warg i struggle a bit with, but i know at R6 i will get a few nice skills to gain.
I never see you solo on your spider, try it, its a nice change than grouping up constantly.
I have r7 spider, trying solo... Hmm mini approach.. lets try it.. 1,5k hit, 2,5k, 2,3k hit.. OU YE maybe next time
Champ apporach.. lets try it.. bubble, hit over 4k with Femoreless .. ok nvm next time
Guard approach.. Ok nvm
Hunter HELL YE I beat him.. got 4crits.. ok nvm next time..
Hell yea burg! MY TIME... Yep killed burg.. nice im killermasta
See wrd.. ok I dont risk.. RK comes ! Yep its mine.. nope he got me :/
Whos complaining? Not me, my main freep is a Cappy, and if we dont crit its not easy, we are of course alot better. My main creep is a WL, i have no bought skills, hes R7, i manage just fine, R5 warg i struggle a bit with, but i know at R6 i will get a few nice skills to gain.
I never see you solo on your spider, try it, its a nice change than grouping up constantly.
You were complaining mate, if my english is not fooling me again you were saying that creeps that buy skills cannot be respected and they would suck without them. Of course they would, they suck even with the skills
And mate really I solo a lot ^^ I do both things 50/50% Even if solo spiders can beat only noob hunters with no pots, and maybe captains having a lot of time avaible and very noob burglars! Still I go roaming solo a lot, and get zerged by Othlon raids
Iyvan and Liliam are my top two freeps, both very skilled and they play a complicated class.
Bloodtail and Muzzard, both are fair but deadly, solo mainly but they are always respectful and very skilled.
The majority of Creeps have bought skills or never really solo, how can a rank 5 + with fully bought skills be respected, take away the skills and traits they shouldnt have, then see how 80% of them will suck, even then them who buy all the fall immunity buffs and such, clear advantage always wins :-)
This is funny way of thinking.
It's like if you tell someone in real life : ok you have money, but if you spend it, you are a loser.
You should be nice with your creeps, as seing how the balance is atm, and that with U5 freeps have even more tools to win, you will soon see no creeps in ettens. All those low rank creep you despise are trying to fight even if they are so weak. If they all stop you'll just fight npcs.
sure sure, creeps are so weak, and i dont know how long i play in ettens, but majority of time map is red, and last weeks - every evening we have outnumbered buff, poor creeps are weak, freeps are extremely OP, its all time the same...
i dont care if someone buy some skills, if he is lame (as majority of creeps and freeps are) then even all skills cant help him, they dont know how to use them, moving target again minstrels and RKs, DR - they think thats its sprint to safe and have no clue why are dying etc etc...
It's like if you tell someone in real life : ok you have money, but if you spend it, you are a loser.
You should be nice with your creeps, as seing how the balance is atm, and that with U5 freeps have even more tools to win, you will soon see no creeps in ettens. All those low rank creep you despise are trying to fight even if they are so weak. If they all stop you'll just fight npcs.
I will help you out here, you will see plenty of creeps, but they will all join the zerg that has been happening lately. They will then post there wartabs to show how epic and well respected they should be.
Solo or roam in small groups, and i dont mean hug the raid, or the majority of freeps could go back to PvE, works both ways Korig.
Map is red cos you wait until there is no resistance to take it back, when late at night you have a raid and there are 4-5 creeps that keep suiciding trying to stop you. When you try and we manage to stop you once, you disband, and come back later. Btw every single night the map is turned blue by your pve raid
hm, interesting, how i see it (and its the reason why i stoped to join raids):
creeps have raid - they farming freeps (stab - ec - tr fields etc), so some angry freep makes raid -> creeps raid realize it -> disband of creeps raid in two minutes, ... so freep raid repaint some keeps, and cos here is no creep raid, they go to grams, some people start leaving raid, and then its disband -> creeps realize it -> creeps are forming raid in less then 30 mins after disband of freeps raid, starting zerging, repainting keeps etc etc etc
Funny that we see it the opposite way.
As usual there is a lot of misunderstanding between the two parts. I used to play freep too so I know everything is always seen "bad" by the other part. Sometimes it's just a coincidence (raid leader goes to dinner, raid disbands, the other part thinks it was made on purpose). Sometimes its hard to believe its just a coincidence and you start to think about spyes.
I stopped playing freep cos its really all about easyplaying. I invite the freeps that think creeps are so bad to join them for a bit, I dont mean you should change part, but just to see (not to spy) how it is. You'll probably see more radical creeps telling you to go back play your freep, as they did with me ^^, but after some day you'll realize what the gap between our power and yours is and how we struggle every day we dont manage to make a good raid (we rarely have one despite what you think).
Create a weak class like a spider and you'll see how defenceless we are. And if you really try, you'll manage to see the situation in the opposite way: freeps raids zerging soloers, creeps not managing to make a raid cos there are too few online asking themselves why we never have outnumber buff even if you have a raid and we're 5, starting to think there are freeps alts logged as creeps hidden in dof, and being paranoid turbine really hates us, having bugged character for weeks that is not going to be fixed because its not a freep.
Changing prospective sometimes really helps.
Truth is that 90% of players (both sides) are just lame and coward, 100% agree on that.
What they just don't get is that playing as a coward, hiding behind raids or zergs or keeps aswell, just don't help self improvement.
About creeps, natural consequence is that you can find some extraordinary creeps players kicking aXXes in 1vs1 at good ta (take Szosa, Morgolianth, Jaka and others middle rank as example) and some really weak and unskilled creeps players that, most of times, are those complaining about unbalance. I undestand your opinion Velesweetie, but you're speaking as a spider, the only creep class really weak and unbalanced in solo gaming, but about others classes things are different. Trust me, when a great and trained player uses those classes, he just kicks aXXes (ofc store skills and traits are necessary to fix the balance).
About freeps I got the same opinion. I see so many high ranked freeps or very high ranked freeps always playing in groups or hiding behind a zerg pack. They just log in ettens, ask if there's any freep raid up. If there's not and if there's not any kin pack or big group to join they just maps back to pve. Those same freeps NEVER try 1vs1 in good ta, for example. They know, cause they do, that their aXX would be badly kicked, that's why they just don't try 1vs1. But still they rank up and reach titles they don't deserve.
Again, my opinion is that balance is not that bad (spiders< and burglars> excluded) and that all those players complaining about it should come good ta more often and have a look at those people managing to win fights with their same exact class. If they can, why can't you? Point is you must try and try and try and lose a hundread times maybe before learning how to manage your enemy and how to move and choose skills sequence. That's why, most of times, K/D value of 1vs1 players suxs as hell (mine is 4,9).
Again, I'm not referring to you Vele. You spend much time in good ta and you're already able to kill 1vs1 plenty of enemies, though your class suxs atm.
About maps... freeps don't flip em cause they cannot find any raid leader interested in flipping but Nargo sometimes or Othlon. Personally, I love red maps cause creeps spread and I can find soloers or small groups to fight. That's why I focus on creeps only, when I form freep raids, and I flip keeps, when I form creep raids :P
Those same freeps NEVER try 1vs1 in good ta, for example.
Woah, you folks do whatever you want at good TA, but don't try and make *sparring* farming sessions and all the associated drama the ultimate standard for PvP.
hm, interesting, how i see it (and its the reason why i stoped to join raids):
creeps have raid - they farming freeps (stab - ec - tr fields etc), so some angry freep makes raid -> creeps raid realize it -> disband of creeps raid in two minutes, ... so freep raid repaint some keeps, and cos here is no creep raid, they go to grams, some people start leaving raid, and then its disband -> creeps realize it -> creeps are forming raid in less then 30 mins after disband of freeps raid, starting zerging, repainting keeps etc etc etc
Yep; when we have a creep raid (and we do 100% of the time of course), if a freep raid form, we all disband and go hide into our holes cause we are fail fail fail.
What can we add? you understand perfectly us !
Sad point is you had lot of respect of people from the other side liliam (witch is kinda rare for a freep i must agree).
You lost 75% of this respect playing easymode burg when they became OP (and the fact you play more like a cano than a hydo or giova).
You're currently losing the 25% left being a prasi-like on forum (AKA everything other side do is fail fail fail).
I understand what i said has no interest for you but i'm just trying to help you understand something really easy :
Same people play both side, and they play it the same way.
You are wrong, i dint start burg that they are/were OP. i just wanted to try something new, do you want post my wartab? play for burg is too difficult for me, for me its not OP (and sorry mate, but i really really dont know how plays cano or hydo or giova) - maybe you can give me some lessons how to play burg? (no sarcasm)
let see on my chars:
hunter r6
minstrel r7
lm r5
champ r5
warden r9
burg r7 (last ranked from all chars)
reaver r6
warg r6
defiler r5
ok, maybe these days are different, i werent in raid after ROI (except maybe 1 or 2 tries, and it was only for keeps)
i had only to react on one-way point of view of creep (vele), maybe that are last days, when if i someone meet in ettens - its warg pack, or group of 4 (atleast 2 WLs including )
i never said everything other side do is fail
shame on me, my language skill is too low, so i cant write everything what i want or feel...
oh noes, not another **** sucking topic with the same old people ... bla bla bla bloodtail is awsome (lolz, in every other game he would be laughing stock for his respawn camping all the time - the gooder he is as a player the sadder it is) ... bla bla bla mr. I rulz navhar (lolz, before roi the suicide champ, now the i-have-xy-i-win-skills champ, so what) ... bla bla bla bla ... velenifera trying to find her spot on the sun ... bla bla bla ... same sh!t all over again, please either come with something new or dont post at all
oh noes, not another **** sucking topic with the same old people ... bla bla bla bloodtail is awsome (lolz, in every other game he would be laughing stock for his respawn camping all the time - the gooder he is as a player the sadder it is) ... bla bla bla mr. I rulz navhar (lolz, before roi the suicide champ, now the i-have-xy-i-win-skills champ, so what) ... bla bla bla bla ... velenifera trying to find her spot on the sun ... bla bla bla ... same sh!t all over again, please either come with something new or dont post at all
only comment worth reading is from Equanor
Yes, this thread is about EGO, and EGOMANIACS. Welcome to mmorpg world.
Btw. i think every currently active creep deserves huge respect for still being in this ^&$&# game.
what about those that playd prebook 10 or 12, vol 1?
dont be blind heb, theyre ignored, its those epic post moria creeps that every1 respects + all gets along with, i bet half these srubs couldnt even name the pre moria players.
dont be blind heb, theyre ignored, its those epic post moria creeps that every1 respects + all gets along with, i bet half these srubs couldnt even name the pre moria players.
i bet you can't name the paleolitic's king of ancient world.
Do you diserve to be alive?
And @fredol (or the nick that sounds like it). Rofl at your post that say "stop your lover posts". And then " i love equa !!"
I find it so crazy that some people show more respect for "old" players who stop spending their time in ettens with Moria, after 1 year of game, than those who spent in moors all the resting three years.
Unluckily I haven't lived that experience (pre MoM pvmp) but must have been epic to make people so nostalgic.. One of these days I will sit near a fireplace and ask uncle Theomund to tell me that story :P
I don't get what is the big crime in being new players? I wish I started playing before but it's just a year and a half, and only few months as a creep. I mean what's the problem with that? Life goes on! I don't pretend my opinion to be valuable for everyone. You can respect your epic historical heros of Lotro but don't spit on new players for no reason at all!
I repeat: I really wish I started playing this game from the beginning but I probably wouldnt get my degree if so! ahah So time consuming
And I'm sorry for being so noob and naive, I didn't know RESPECT was such a taboo topic.
I'm sorry for that, I don't deserve to talk or have opinions, I'm a player since Mirkwood!
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