Thema: Instance Finder : Main issues.

Hey! As we all know the instance finder is not a great tool right now. There are two main issues:
1.You cant select specific dungeon.
2.It cant form groups !

Its okay that you cant find specific dungeon as u get extra reward for random dungeon, but still it will be alot better when u can choose a specific dungeon.
Now the worst problem is that you cant play 3-man instances! Because it invites wrong classes... 6 mans works better, but still it sometimes invites wrong classes. BUT ###! They made a system that is not playable. I mean you will enter a dungeon without healer, and sometimes a group with 3 hunters Etc. And the instances are not playbe without healer! they are ment for 1defence 1healer 1 dps.So this IF tool is the worst #### ever in its state.

Another issue is the long queue times for low levels, well it was a week after i was released, Now i dont think you can find a group because lack of players.
So make it "cross server" will make it useable for low levels aswell, its not at the moment.

So can anyone anwser the question, Why it cant form 3 man fellows, and sometimes 6 man fellows, never heard any devs confirm that it is buged or simply not working! Give us anwsers! please

Zitat von yafga

Hey! As we all know the instance finder is not a great tool right now. There are two main issues:
1.You cant select specific dungeon.
2.It cant form groups !

Its okay that you cant find specific dungeon as u get extra reward for random dungeon, but still it will be alot better when u can choose a specific dungeon.
Now the worst problem is that you cant play 3-man instances! Because it invites wrong classes... 6 mans works better, but still it sometimes invites wrong classes. BUT ###! They made a system that is not playable. I mean you will enter a dungeon without healer, and sometimes a group with 3 hunters Etc. And the instances are not playbe without healer! they are ment for 1defence 1healer 1 dps.So this IF tool is the worst #### ever in its state.

Another issue is the long queue times for low levels, well it was a week after i was released, Now i dont think you can find a group because lack of players.
So make it "cross server" will make it useable for low levels aswell, its not at the moment.

So can anyone anwser the question, Why it cant form 3 man fellows, and sometimes 6 man fellows, never heard any devs confirm that it is buged or simply not working! Give us anwsers! please

1. There are a millions posts about the IF already and this one is nothing new.
2. They stated before update 5 released the IF that is was incomplete. The ability to choose the instance you want is coming "Soon".
3. You don't need a Guard and Mini for most 3 mans. The IF requires one tank and one healer so you will never be in a group with 3 hunters. I've used a lot of PUG groups from the IF. Some worked, some didn't. There were only 2 times that I was in a group with a tank and healer at the same time and they were far from the best groups I joined. Last night I did Fangorn with a Burg and 2 Champs. No one would have put this group together before the IF, but we cruised through it without any deaths or even near deaths.

Zitat von yafga

Hey! As we all know the instance finder is not a great tool right now. There are two main issues:
1.You cant select specific dungeon.
2.It cant form groups !

Its okay that you cant find specific dungeon as u get extra reward for random dungeon, but still it will be alot better when u can choose a specific dungeon.
Now the worst problem is that you cant play 3-man instances! Because it invites wrong classes... 6 mans works better, but still it sometimes invites wrong classes. BUT ###! They made a system that is not playable. I mean you will enter a dungeon without healer, and sometimes a group with 3 hunters Etc. And the instances are not playbe without healer! they are ment for 1defence 1healer 1 dps.So this IF tool is the worst #### ever in its state.

Another issue is the long queue times for low levels, well it was a week after i was released, Now i dont think you can find a group because lack of players.
So make it "cross server" will make it useable for low levels aswell, its not at the moment.

So can anyone anwser the question, Why it cant form 3 man fellows, and sometimes 6 man fellows, never heard any devs confirm that it is buged or simply not working! Give us anwsers! please

I disagree, I think it is a useful tool.

This is a typical post where the OP is looking for a group finder and assumes IF is there for that job. Well it isn't. IF is something extra - for doing instances with oddball groups and getting a bonus when you complete them - which in most cases happens.

If you want a group finder use global chat, seems to work fine as far as I can see.

@OP It's a partially finished piece of software WB released so it could gather
feedback. They will make changes to it at their convenience. The IF doesn't
help you find people, it merely puts you on a instance roulette wheel. If you
actually want to run instances of your choice, you are stuck with the same LFF
or GLFF options.

Zitat von Nostro44

I disagree, I think it is a useful tool.

This is a typical post where the OP is looking for a group finder and assumes IF is there for that job. Well it isn't. IF is something extra - for doing instances with oddball groups and getting a bonus when you complete them - which in most cases happens.

If you want a group finder use global chat, seems to work fine as far as I can see.

Strange indeed, as I and almost everyone here understood that it was to be a tool that helps players to easily find a group of people who want to do an instance (a specific instance or group of instances) in the same moment. And after finding start the instance of course.

Btw. You can use glff to find your "oddbal group" as well. And I suppose that the intention is to make it an useful tool for grouping, not just a rarely used device for people who want a challenging (a "not perfect" set of classes) and annoying (you may find an instance you don't need/want to do) experience.

I disagree, The IF is a great idea in my opinion! When I'm questing i'll put myself into it and wait for a group while killing stuff, many people don't care what instance they get into, they just want to do one, the LFF channel is for picking and choosing dungeons at the moment, the IF just lets you wait for a dungeon and do other things, in the knowledge that you'll get one eventually, with no real conscious effort beyond joining the IF in the first place.

Zitat von PerinStone

3. You don't need a Guard and Mini for most 3 mans. The IF requires one tank and one healer so you will never be in a group with 3 hunters. I've used a lot of PUG groups from the IF. Some worked, some didn't. There were only 2 times that I was in a group with a tank and healer at the same time and they were far from the best groups I joined. Last night I did Fangorn with a Burg and 2 Champs. No one would have put this group together before the IF, but we cruised through it without any deaths or even near deaths.

It requires 1 tank and 1 healer? Either you have no clue of what you speak, or it's not working as intended. I've frequently been dropped into Dargnakh T2 with groups like RK/RK/Mini or RK/RK/Hnt. I light armour cannot tank those fights, and I don't think a hunter can manage the multiple aggros off of the healer, even if they could survive the hits. Most people will drop instantly. And of course our reward for being put into a weak group is a 10-minute penalty.


OTHER ISSUES:

It's also frustrating to walk in and find your "tank" is a warden with 3800 morale. A quick inspect and you see his virtues are all less than 5, his class skill mix makes no sense, and all of his gear is level 58-60. Ask him what's the deal, he tells you his friends helped him level and he'll work on gear now. Tell him that he will -- not might, but will -- get one-shotted and he says that's your problem, keep me healed and use rez a lot. Not worth wasting time on, so drop...and are rewarded with a 10-minute penalty.

It's also pretty lame that it will put you with a person that you have on ignore. There are some people on my servers who are just not people I want to interact with. I have twice now found myself in groups with such. Both times I took them off ignore, buy within minutes ended up dropping the instance and re-adding them to ignore. My reward to being forced to group with someone who is allowed to break the community rules with blatent hatred and ignorance? A 10-minute penalty and having to defend myself in glff over accusations of abandoning groups. I actually had a neat discussion with a GM over this, but of course if I post any of that here I'll get dinged. Suffice it to say it was final proof that some of the people running the show do not play the game.

As stated 11ty billion times, 3-mans require, at minimum, a healer OR defense. 6-mans require, at minimum, a healer AND defense.

As stated by a dev recently, Isengard 3-mans will be changed to require at least a healer AND defense.

And this thread ("Instance Finder : Main issues" by yafga) should have been placed in the official discussion thread.

Nice post Fortino.

The other morning I had time and used the instance finder. After ending up with Mini / Mini / Hunter in two out of three tries I decided to move on to something more productive. To be fair I have had some groups with players who knew what they were doing (like a champ who tanked Dargnakh on T2), but unfortunately while the instance finder is a tool that sometimes works, more often than not it fails to deliver.

Zitat von Nakiami

As stated 11ty billion times, 3-mans require, at minimum, a healer OR defense. 6-mans require, at minimum, a healer AND defense.

As stated by a dev recently, Isengard 3-mans will be changed to require at least a healer AND defense.

And this thread ("Instance Finder : Main issues" by yafga) should have been placed in the official discussion thread.

Correction: Isengard 3-Mans on T2 will be required to find both healer AND defense. The T1 versions are being made slightly easier so you only need one or the other, not both.

Zitat von Fortinobrand

It requires 1 tank and 1 healer? Either you have no clue of what you speak, or it's not working as intended. I've frequently been dropped into Dargnakh T2 with groups like RK/RK/Mini or RK/RK/Hnt. I light armour cannot tank those fights, and I don't think a hunter can manage the multiple aggros off of the healer, even if they could survive the hits. Most people will drop instantly. And of course our reward for being put into a weak group is a 10-minute penalty.


OTHER ISSUES:

It's also frustrating to walk in and find your "tank" is a warden with 3800 morale. A quick inspect and you see his virtues are all less than 5, his class skill mix makes no sense, and all of his gear is level 58-60. Ask him what's the deal, he tells you his friends helped him level and he'll work on gear now. Tell him that he will -- not might, but will -- get one-shotted and he says that's your problem, keep me healed and use rez a lot. Not worth wasting time on, so drop...and are rewarded with a 10-minute penalty.

It's also pretty lame that it will put you with a person that you have on ignore. There are some people on my servers who are just not people I want to interact with. I have twice now found myself in groups with such. Both times I took them off ignore, buy within minutes ended up dropping the instance and re-adding them to ignore. My reward to being forced to group with someone who is allowed to break the community rules with blatent hatred and ignorance? A 10-minute penalty and having to defend myself in glff over accusations of abandoning groups. I actually had a neat discussion with a GM over this, but of course if I post any of that here I'll get dinged. Suffice it to say it was final proof that some of the people running the show do not play the game.

I misspoke. It requires on tank OR one healer. I was commenting on the OP's claim of getting groups with 3 hunters which cannot happen.

The issue of grouping you with "ignored" players is something they have stated will be addressed "Soon".

Zitat von Nostro44

This is a typical post where the OP is looking for a group finder and assumes IF is there for that job. Well it isn't. IF is something extra - for doing instances with oddball groups and getting a bonus when you complete them - which in most cases happens.

If you want a group finder use global chat, seems to work fine as far as I can see.

I think the OP can be excused for "assuming the IF is there for that job" when so many in-game loading screens scream "Update 5 now available - use the new instance finder to form groups faster than ever!"

I guess if the instance finder isn't supposed to be used to find groups maybe someone should inform Turbine...

IF should just be a tool to find a group and give you as many (or as few) options to select the make up of your group and what instances you prefer. Why on earth they decided to combine "bonus rewards" with it and add a cooldown to it is beyond me. Kind of defeats the purpose of what it was supposed to solve.

The "main issue" for Instance Finder is that it is a tool that the devs want the players to use, not a tool that the players want to use.

Right now, with the "s...p" mark/medallion change, you can´t do anything with it. Doing FE T2 with two healers and no tank, is not what i seek. On a low or very low popl. server, forget about it.

Think it´s time for a bigger Lotro break* and wait until update 6 hits the servers. Not going to sit around for 3hours in the queue...i mean, c´mon give me more medallions[solo, duo skirmish].

* Batman game and Skyrim.

Until then, have fun.

instance finder beta tested with my tank and burglar.^