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Discussion: Kalioth Returns!!!

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    Re: Kalioth Returns!!!

    Screw Real Life, this is so much better...

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    Re: Kalioth Returns!!!



    -.- I actually wasted a Sprint CD for this kb...

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    Citation Envoyé par Kadieon Voir le message


    -.- I actually wasted a Sprint CD for this kb...
    AKA, I ganked kalioth and I'm proud.

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    Citation Envoyé par fabreth Voir le message
    AKA, I ganked kalioth and I'm proud.
    LMAO - Bro, you tried to Dying Rage after I lit you up, the sprint was just to finish the job OH, and ganking would require me to be in a group or at least coordinate with a group, which anyone who knows me freepside knows I roll solo, two days ago was the first time I grouped in a VERY long time, that was the raid v raid at OC fight.

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    Citation Envoyé par fabreth Voir le message
    AKA, I died and now I'm making excuses.
    Fixed it for you.


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    Citation Envoyé par fabreth Voir le message
    AKA, I ganked kalioth and I'm proud.
    I'm curious Kalioth, did you disband your tribe, or did it auto-disband after 24 hours because no one joined?

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    Citation Envoyé par Kadieon Voir le message


    -.- I actually wasted a Sprint CD for this kb...
    Did that make you as happy as this one made me?

    " Tis not a lip, or eye, we beauty call,But the joint force and full result of all. "

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    Citation Envoyé par Kadieon Voir le message
    LMAO - Bro, you tried to Dying Rage after I lit you up, the sprint was just to finish the job OH, and ganking would require me to be in a group or at least coordinate with a group, which anyone who knows me freepside knows I roll solo, two days ago was the first time I grouped in a VERY long time, that was the raid v raid at OC fight.
    Blah blah blah... is all I hear.... when you want to 1vs1 me let me know.... until then listen to the song below please.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMAnCgjeZ4Q

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    I think Kalioth just defeated the server.

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    Citation Envoyé par Cronk5 Voir le message
    Also, you know it's not a requirement to put a lame picture in every one of your posts....



    Citation Envoyé par OGsam Voir le message
    Shift+6...
    Just remembered I had to that every time I used a mac...





    Also, just popping in, should I come back or keep playing other games....?

    Needmoreposts!!!!
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    I gotta start frequenting these forums again.


    Welcome back Kalioth, and thanks for the free infamy!!


    You do make it interesting though. Instead of 10creeps targeting me, I'm up to 10.5 now

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    Citation Envoyé par Kurtdg21 Voir le message
    I gotta start frequenting these forums again.


    Welcome back Kalioth, and thanks for the free infamy!!


    You do make it interesting though. Instead of 10creeps targeting me, I'm up to 10.5 now
    Cool Story Bro, 1VS1? Loser deletes his character?

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    Citation Envoyé par fabreth Voir le message
    Cool Story Bro, 1VS1? Loser deletes his character?
    I'm interested in this on my champ.

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    Citation Envoyé par fabreth Voir le message
    Cool Story Bro, 1VS1? Loser deletes his character?

    Haven't 1v1'd in a while, I'm probably rusty....but not rusty enough to take out the garbage! I'll be on later tonight.

    ftp reavers don't count as characters silly.

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    Citation Envoyé par fabreth Voir le message
    Cool Story Bro, 1VS1? Loser deletes his character?
    I feel like you're ignoring me Kalioth, something you want to hide?

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    So much drama in the LBC...

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    Xael took out the trash last year. This year, it was my turn. Lotta trash too, had to take it out three times!


    Maybe one day young padawan, maybe one day.

    <3

    Cousin Vinny


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    So did he delete or will he just disappear like he did last time?


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    Re: Kalioth Returns!!!

    u try 2 run but i catch u
    i swing my swords woop woop
    we r da best we r above the rest
    u r nuthin' compared 2 i
    i swing from trees like tarzan
    and the sky like spiderman
    i attack stuff with my webs
    and then spit on it to make sure it's dead
    then i groundroll on your grave
    and go on my way
    my goal is simple to be the best
    but it's pointless becuz i am already above da rest

    ENEMY RETURNS TO NIMRODEL.
    Proximity Tank - Tha Respect Crew

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    Citation Envoyé par Goblin_of_Moria Voir le message
    u try 2 run but i catch u
    i swing my swords woop woop
    we r da best we r above the rest
    u r nuthin' compared 2 i
    i swing from trees like tarzan
    and the sky like spiderman
    i attack stuff with my webs
    and then spit on it to make sure it's dead
    then i groundroll on your grave
    and go on my way
    my goal is simple to be the best
    but it's pointless becuz i am already above da rest

    ENEMY RETURNS TO NIMRODEL.
    You left?


    Now appearing daily with 2 shows on weekends in GW2

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    Citation Envoyé par Kurtdg21 Voir le message
    Xael took out the trash last year. This year, it was my turn. Lotta trash too, had to take it out three times!


    Maybe one day young padawan, maybe one day.

    <3

    Cousin Vinny

    You know I like trash talk... literally! hurr hurr

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    1v1s with Kalioth? Oooo...omnomnomnom
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    haven't seen kalioth out for over a week, getting stomped isn't on Shadow Society Manifesto...lmfao
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    Citation Envoyé par Gladgilrian Voir le message
    So did he delete or will he just disappear like he did last time?
    Nah. Nothing is worth deleting a toon for in game shenanigans.

    Besides, the moors would be a duller place without Kalioth out there We wouldn't get all these new cool threads popping up.

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    Cool old threads > cool new threads! I'm still clinging on, are YOU!? :O

    Permanently Retired.

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    Citation Envoyé par OGsam Voir le message
    I'm still clinging on, are YOU!? :O
    Like 20s on a 1980 Cadillac.

    Like politics and diapers.

    Like Donald Trump and his best friend, Donald Trump.

    Like Rosie O and a Ho Ho.

    Like Soccer moms and Mini Vans.

    Like Bimbos and like, there like vocabulary, whatever.

    Like a Dog and a Fire Hydrant.

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    Citation Envoyé par vhamster Voir le message
    haven't seen kalioth out for over a week, getting stomped isn't on Shadow Society Manifesto...lmfao
    Huh...that's around the time he started saying warleaders on our server didn't know how to push simple buttons when I didn't heal, bubble or rez him during our fights around TA.

    On a side note, I wonder what it would be like if I got credit for healing in LOTRO like I do in TOR.

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    Citation Envoyé par Loth_Don Voir le message
    Huh...that's around the time he started saying warleaders on our server didn't know how to push simple buttons when I didn't heal, bubble or rez him during our fights around TA.

    On a side note, I wonder what it would be like if I got credit for healing in LOTRO like I do in TOR.
    Devs must have hacked Kalioth's reaver and nerfed it, they're obviously jealous, otherwise he'd have healed and bubbled himself.

    I love TOR, though it has it's fair share of terrible system implementations I am glad that healers do get some love there.

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    Citation Envoyé par Kurtdg21 Voir le message
    Like 20s on a 1980 Cadillac.

    Like politics and diapers.

    Like Donald Trump and his best friend, Donald Trump.

    Like Rosie O and a Ho Ho.

    Like Soccer moms and Mini Vans.

    Like Bimbos and like, there like vocabulary, whatever.

    Like a Dog and a Fire Hydrant.
    You almost came out of this a with a little bit more renown for your incompetence, once again I have to spread some more around before sharing, though the last time I gave rep must have been 6 months ago. I guess you'll have to deal with being witty and not receiving minor progress toward an optional green bubble. Life is hard sometimes, eh?

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    Citation Envoyé par OGsam Voir le message
    I am glad that healers do get some love there.
    Some love? Every warzone I play, people vote the healers MVP. What a joke.

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    Citation Envoyé par OGsam Voir le message
    You almost came out of this a with a little bit more renown for your incompetence, once again I have to spread some more around before sharing, though the last time I gave rep must have been 6 months ago. I guess you'll have to deal with being witty and not receiving minor progress toward an optional green bubble. Life is hard sometimes, eh?
    Incompetence wins in America. We have great role models. Like.........




    Can't blame him though. I couldn't spell it either xD.

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    Citation Envoyé par drmahodi Voir le message
    What a joke.
    I find jokes humerous.


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    Citation Envoyé par hemenway90 Voir le message
    I find jokes humerus.
    The Spelling Nazi's have arrived, run FOR YO LIEEFFF!!!!!!!!!!!!

    =P

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    Oh, and I want all my rep back, and once my avatar shows up, Im in Gnarl's tribe???

    Scions of Gnarls? Yay me
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    Citation Envoyé par myforumacc2 Voir le message
    Oh, and I want all my rep back, and once my avatar shows up, Im in Gnarl's tribe???

    Scions of Gnarls? Yay me
    I want my post count back too, hi Wargi!!!!!!
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    Citation Envoyé par hemenway90 Voir le message
    I find jokes humerous.

    Very Hugh Morris indeed.

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    Bump again.

    Still waiting on that delete.





    Cheers!

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    Bump one more time for good times...


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    I don't know Kalioth/Meverdiel, have never spoken to him. And regardless of what people accuse him of, regardless of whether he farms an opposite side alt (sorry, Spacemoneky, I know you said you and he earned 7 audacity without doing this, but you both hit 7 so fast, it is a little hard to believe- forgive my cynicism, especially when I know others do this), it's hard not to appreciate at least some of what he does. Today he was running into groups of 4-5 creeps and fighting to the last. It was darn hard to kill him, and he would sometimes take one or two down before he fell, but he didn't run away. While others were rustling in TA, he ran out and brought the fight to us. And sometimes a few others would join him and make it a real fight. When he left, the turtlefest began. It it was fun there for a while. Gotta give a thumbs up.

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    Citation Envoyé par Thularil Voir le message
    I don't know Kalioth/Meverdiel, have never spoken to him. And regardless of what people accuse him of, regardless of whether he farms an opposite side alt (sorry, Spacemoneky, I know you said you and he earned 7 audacity without doing this, but you both hit 7 so fast, it is a little hard to believe- forgive my cynicism, especially when I know others do this), it's hard not to appreciate at least some of what he does. Today he was running into groups of 4-5 creeps and fighting to the last. It was darn hard to kill him, and he would sometimes take one or two down before he fell, but he didn't run away. While others were rustling in TA, he ran out and brought the fight to us. And sometimes a few others would join him and make it a real fight. When he left, the turtlefest began. It it was fun there for a while. Gotta give a thumbs up.
    Not sure if you are being serious?

    Or are you just new?

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