Thread: Lightning Wing Boss strategy?

Anybody have a strategy for Kalbak? Today my kin and I went in on tier 1 and just couldn't figure out the fight. We would start to DPS and after about 30 seconds kalbak would start one shotting groups of people (it wasn't steam or static - everyone was watching and they never got a chance to tier up to cause any trouble).

The limrafn explode. It is distributed damage.

Either that or your tanks weren't swapping (static only tiers up when someone is hit by kalbak, if it hits 10 they go boom)

Originally Posted by Iracham

The limrafn explode. It is distributed damage.

Either that or your tanks weren't swapping (static only tiers up when someone is hit by kalbak, if it hits 10 they go boom)

This really.

Every 4 or 6 seconds static on main people that've agro'd Kalbak with start to tier up. Once it reaches 10 they will effective .... go boom, or for a short explanation, they'll take a single target 25K shot then 11K AoE within about 15 meters of that very dead person.

The key to the fight is to agro swap to keep the static down as low as possible. The static takes the same amount of time to tier up as it does to Tier down ( 4/6 seconds ). We usually find swapping as fast as we can from Tier 4 is best.

Tank Kalbak in the middle of the room with everyone but the melee about 10 meters to the side of them all in a very tight group.

Through out the first will be Limrafn with about 80K health T1, you can either get a champ/cappy to kite it around the room and range take it down or you can pack up as tightly as you can ( some melee can come back just for this to help ) so that the explode damage from them distributes as this is about 25K aswell but distributed between 7-8 people atleast is around 3.5K.

One attack from Kalbak is a lightning chain, once the first person has got it tell them to start kiting around the side of the room, then when the next person gets the lightning tell them to start running but in a different direction. It's just a skill to try get more people scattered before the limrafn explosion. Well on T1 it is :P

Hopefully this helps

ps - steam .. I haven't got a clue, nor does anyone else atm how steam works. Just seems to go randomly up and down.

think of an electric source an static air that surrounds it...

especially playin tier 1 ya an ya kin will easily find out, how to handle kalbak, soon or later it is... an this wee advice now is gonne b crackin funny, dont b static there hell yay, word play of awesomeness

Thanks Thorebane, That's just what I was looking for. +rep

For what it's worth, Static is applied every time Kalbak damages a target with his melee attacks (even frontal AoEs, but NOT his four-way lightning split or his chain) . If you BPE it, and thus take no damage, you don't get Static applied.

With all due respect to the OP..If you guys 'helping' him really wanted to help him and his group then just giving strats isn't going to do squat. They'll be right back here for Acid trash or Fear boss.

Something like the static, just simply telling him how to look at combat logs, 'H" on debuffs/buffs, talking with those in group asking what they seen, whats in their logs ect. Let them figure it out, just help them find the way to figure it out.

Next thing you know they'll build self confidence and be facerolling Orthanc.

+1 to those that did help, dont get me wrong. Just seems like the wrong way about it *shrug*

Originally Posted by Hipo

With all due respect to the OP..If you guys 'helping' him really wanted to help him and his group then just giving strats isn't going to do squat. They'll be right back here for Acid trash or Fear boss.

Something like the static, just simply telling him how to look at combat logs, 'H" on debuffs/buffs, talking with those in group asking what they seen, whats in their logs ect. Let them figure it out, just help them find the way to figure it out.

Next thing you know they'll build self confidence and be facerolling Orthanc.

+1 to those that did help, dont get me wrong. Just seems like the wrong way about it *shrug*

Imho the best way to help is to explain mechanics of the fight. As some replies did.

Originally Posted by Fin.

Imho the best way to help is to explain mechanics of the fight. As some replies did.

If your able to identify mechancis yourself though, isn't that better in the long run? Isn't that the whole point of a group of friends/kinamtes getting into a raid?

I dont know about anyone else, but some of the most rewarding moments in a raid for me has always been identifying the mechancis, then using that to build a strat.

To each their own I guess.

He asked for help because they were obviously missing a core mechanic of the fight, the possibilities were explained.

Frankly, I'd be happier if anyone could explain ### is up with Steam.

My kin used a rather unorthodox strategy the couple times we did Tier 1 Orthanc, your mileage will vary depending on the skill/gear of your tank and amount of dps in your raid. Disclaimer: THIS WILL NOT WORK FOR TIER 2.

Anyway, if you're feeling awesome and want to faceroll tier 1, this is an option. You start the fight -- everyone stays grouped together behind the boss, tank grabs aggro on the boss, dps starts burning him fast, when tank tiers up to 3 or 4 on the shock buff, pledge. Continue until the buff reaches 5 or 6, reset Pledge, pledge again. Soon as the buff goes up to 7, tank kites for a bit until the buff is back down, tank until it goes back up to 5-7 then either kite more or pledge again. If you have enough dps you can burn him down that way in a few minutes.

Originally Posted by Hipo

If your able to identify mechancis yourself though, isn't that better in the long run? Isn't that the whole point of a group of friends/kinamtes getting into a raid?

I dont know about anyone else, but some of the most rewarding moments in a raid for me has always been identifying the mechancis, then using that to build a strat.

To each their own I guess.

I guess. For me it is fun to come up with strategy and different tactics, mechanics is just something that we learn as wipe and wipe again, delaying the fun part of building strategy

Originally Posted by Thorebane

This really.

Every 4 or 6 seconds static on main people that've agro'd Kalbak with start to tier up. Once it reaches 10 they will effective .... go boom, or for a short explanation, they'll take a single target 25K shot then 11K AoE within about 15 meters of that very dead person.

The key to the fight is to agro swap to keep the static down as low as possible. The static takes the same amount of time to tier up as it does to Tier down ( 4/6 seconds ). We usually find swapping as fast as we can from Tier 4 is best.

Tank Kalbak in the middle of the room with everyone but the melee about 10 meters to the side of them all in a very tight group.

Through out the first will be Limrafn with about 80K health T1, you can either get a champ/cappy to kite it around the room and range take it down or you can pack up as tightly as you can ( some melee can come back just for this to help ) so that the explode damage from them distributes as this is about 25K aswell but distributed between 7-8 people atleast is around 3.5K.

One attack from Kalbak is a lightning chain, once the first person has got it tell them to start kiting around the side of the room, then when the next person gets the lightning tell them to start running but in a different direction. It's just a skill to try get more people scattered before the limrafn explosion. Well on T1 it is :P

Hopefully this helps

ps - steam .. I haven't got a clue, nor does anyone else atm how steam works. Just seems to go randomly up and down.

This guy on T1 can be solo tanked easily, but of course the tank needs heals :-)

We start the fight at the top right corner as you look at the room, tank holds him here.

Two working strategies we have tried are the solo tank option where everyone is grouped up behind Kalbak and the single guardian has him, once the static shock reaches 8 we all move away in a nice group, cappies and healers on the Guardian and SB popped to up the healing (+20%), rinse and repeat the whole fight, once the limfran appears we get a hunter to agro it into the group, and nuke it fast, all together for the DD it gives. Ignore the mist debuff on T1 it really has no effect, but if you do want to lose the debuff simply move around the room, when the mist appears, then move again to a section the mist is not in, takes 40 seconds to lose it. The lightning chain is very easy to sort, just seperate everyone away from each other, do it fast and then regroup, we keep our 2 healers together at the tank the entire fight, just to heal him up.

The second strategy is the tank swap, its alot easier this way as Kalbak never reaches 10, so will never explode and aoe everyone, its again swap agro at about 7 or 8, using a Champ/Warden/Captain or Guardian, and have everyone DPS the boss and then the limfrans etc as before, this option is the easiest to do.

Thanks for all the help everybody. I'm sure we'll get it the next time we head in.

To get rid of everyone's steam levels run in to melee range and the steam will go down. Then run away (stay grouped) when static reaches 8 or 9 (before the boss blows), then close back in, etc. This seems to be the safest bet, but this fight has had some strange bugs imo lately (steam skyrocketting to 10+ asap and not going down when in melee range, the boss rampaging and not being able to be taunted, etc).

Originally Posted by Iracham

He asked for help because they were obviously missing a core mechanic of the fight, the possibilities were explained.

Frankly, I'd be happier if anyone could explain ### is up with Steam.

This.

So very this.

Originally Posted by Feybobiam

This.

So very this.

Well it's relative to the amount of time you spend in melee. I'm not sure it's calculating correctly all the time, however, but it goes down by one every 30s in melee. The tanks should not have steam, just static. If they do (and they did once!) imo, bug.

Originally Posted by rhegan

Well it's relative to the amount of time you spend in melee. I'm not sure it's calculating correctly all the time, however, but it goes down by one every 30s in melee. The tanks should not have steam, just static. If they do (and they did once!) imo, bug.

Buffbars says steam is -1 stack/40s but then again that is t2.

Originally Posted by TheFrank

Buffbars says steam is -1 stack/40s but then again that is t2.

Yeah, I haven't done it on t2 (or tried to), and I THINK I counted 30s, but who knows, with that much running and movement I could hardly keep half my skills up let alone keep an accurate count. Also good to know that buffbars is tracking this - I need to grab an update! Thanks.

T1 steam is definitely 40s per tier down.

I spend the whole fight in melee range and usually end up dying when steam builds up to the 7-10 range and causes +150% or thereabouts incoming damage. (followed shortly by the other tank dying due for the same reason)

We've beaten it twice but it is by no means a consistent fight, which is frustrating.

Steam definitely appears in melee, but I think it's dependent on where "melee" actually is. If you look close I believe it shoots off the walls, or shoots from one wall to the other, or stupid stuff like that. It's almost impossible to predict or track, too, just extremely subtle visual cues that may or may not mean something or nothing. The above leads me to believe it's based on where your standing in the room, not where you are in respect to the boss. I've heard of corner strats, but not for any clearly explainable reason other than, "it seems like it's easier than tanking him in center", which is where I've seen him tanked, and always get Steam in melee - and everyone else not in melee gets it too. I've had Steam tier up for me but not for Minstrels and Hunters, and vice versa.

What sucks is no one is going to take the time to figure Steam out (and it'd take a lot of work given how little information the fight gives you on it (this pattern is evident in Fire/Frost too)) because the CHallenge can bug, and figuring things out means wiping, and wiping means no Challenge, so it's easier and saner to just brute force the thing and completely avoid the mechanic.

Frustrating.

It's where you are in the room. If you look at the ground, you will see a tube in every Corner. My theory is that this tube make the steam. If you stand in the middle of the room you get the steambuff from 4 tubes, it tiers up fast. If you stand in the corner you only get steam from 1 tube it doesn't tier up fast. If you fight him in a corner and stand there the whole time, you will never get above Steam Tier 1.

I'll have to try and pay attention to the tubes. Can you be a little more specific to their physical description, or is it just pretty simple?

Originally Posted by Feybobiam

I'll have to try and pay attention to the tubes. Can you be a little more specific to their physical description, or is it just pretty simple?

Just look through the ground you will see a big open pipe near every corner.

Regarding the Limrafn. Can they be CC'd? If not what is the best strategy for these Limrafn. I see a few comments about burn them down fast, with a hunter, but does the hunter take a lot of damage and should the hunter fight them alone in the corrner. Please explain a little more how to take on the Limrafn. We are only looking for tier 1. We are going to do the tank swap at tier 7ish as suggested. Split apart when we see the chain lightning. Stay all grouped up in melee most of the fight behind the boss. Any other suggestions? My concern is not much detail on the Limrafn and their explosions. Thanks for the help

Originally Posted by Anier

Regarding the Limrafn. Can they be CC'd? If not what is the best strategy for these Limrafn. I see a few comments about burn them down fast, with a hunter, but does the hunter take a lot of damage and should the hunter fight them alone in the corrner. Please explain a little more how to take on the Limrafn. We are only looking for tier 1. We are going to do the tank swap at tier 7ish as suggested. Split apart when we see the chain lightning. Stay all grouped up in melee most of the fight behind the boss. Any other suggestions? My concern is not much detail on the Limrafn and their explosions. Thanks for the help

Just group up and let them Explode, nothing more you need to care about them.

Originally Posted by Anier

Regarding the Limrafn. Can they be CC'd? If not what is the best strategy for these Limrafn. I see a few comments about burn them down fast, with a hunter, but does the hunter take a lot of damage and should the hunter fight them alone in the corrner. Please explain a little more how to take on the Limrafn.

It's distributed damage, so simply group up tight. (Hunter pulls them in probably to keep them from getting on tanks. I have read a cappy kite them while ranged burn them down, but that's taking DPS off the boss for no gain.)

We are going to do the tank swap at tier 7ish as suggested... ...Any other suggestions

In our experience, you might want to tank swap earlier (I've read as early as 4), we were going to go halfway (5) but shifted it earlier as we had overloads.



"Sometimes survival comes down to not being hit. Actually, most times." -the chicken skill, Bob and Weave

thanks all for the info.

Originally Posted by Burio

It's where you are in the room. If you look at the ground, you will see a tube in every Corner. My theory is that this tube make the steam. If you stand in the middle of the room you get the steambuff from 4 tubes, it tiers up fast. If you stand in the corner you only get steam from 1 tube it doesn't tier up fast. If you fight him in a corner and stand there the whole time, you will never get above Steam Tier 1.

Tried the corner, steam still goes up to 11 and then it starts to get realy hard to survive ..

Originally Posted by Trium

Tried the corner, steam still goes up to 11 and then it starts to get realy hard to survive ..

we fight in the corner at t1 never, all group up behind kalbak never get steam higher then 1. Try the left corner at the back of the room. How long do you fights last? We never fight longer then 4 minutes...

We are struggling to get past the second pull in trash to even get to the boss. Between the baby cave claws and the healing puddles and taskmasters our group wipes within 3 minutes. Any suggestions on how to get past this trash pull?

godsservant1

the second pull, well even the 3rd is annoying, try the following it may help

get LM to perma stun the troll (he will break out and do a attack, then stunnable again)

depending on group set up, you can CC the big deep claws perma-stunned, if you cant
stun/mex 1/2 of the taskmasters or get tank to tank them 2, the raid dps on the 3rd taskmaster, then dps then small cave claws, then back on TM, on cave claws, rinse and repeat, just try not to consontraite on TM to long, or ull be swomped in baby cave claws, they spawn at set time, learning this i key to doing these last 2 pulls

once 1 TM is dead, the pull is very easy, or if ur quick, when u know the time for cave claws to be on there way, get a stun/fear/mex on a TM, buying you 30s-1m

Just a bit more explanation on the Taskmasters. It is the taskmasters that call out the small cave claws, plus they buff the damage of everything around them. They can't call for the little cave claws while stunned/mezzed or feared. So basically, if anything that allows you to control some of them (burgs, LMs, hunters and minstrels can all help) and burn them down one by one as fast as possible will make the fight easier.

Originally Posted by godsservant1

We are struggling to get past the second pull in trash to even get to the boss. Between the baby cave claws and the healing puddles and taskmasters our group wipes within 3 minutes. Any suggestions on how to get past this trash pull?

For the second and third trash pulls we opened up with fears on all the task masters and mezzes on the trolls. You won't get any green circles at the beginning this way. Burn the cave claws down as fast as possible. You can then either mez the task masters if you have spare mezzes or start tanking them. It helps if you can keep them separated, but once the cave claws are gone, the task masters aura isn't too much to worry about. Of course, don't tank them in the green circles, and DPS needs to be careful until the tank gets the task masters positioned and has a firm aggro lock. Then kill the trolls at your leisure. This is on T1, if you are asking about T2, I have no idea.

We've tended to root, then fear, then stun the Taskmasters while burgs keep Trolls chain-mezzed with LM for backup.

When they finally get to us, each tank-type grabs one, and DPS goes to town on the squishiest tank's.

That being said, we have yet to go through without multiple wipes, but as long as we take out one of them each time, it's progress.



"Sometimes survival comes down to not being hit. Actually, most times." -the chicken skill, Bob and Weave

We got lightening down on tier one without too much trouble... It's tier two that is the kicker. Thank you to those who have offered strategies. Hopefully we will be able to down tier 2 this lock cycle and get to whack at the boss for all the trouble he's caused.

For the second pull we tend to cc 2 taskmasters, perma mez the troll and burn down the other taskmaster. We always cc the TM's that are on the right while the group charges in to the left and takes out the TM that is on his own this way we avoid green puddles to the left side which makes for a nice killing field, also make sure whoever is the dps rat that they H tab the TM it makes it easier to pick them up in the chaotic nature of that pull.

We deal with the cave claws by sending in one tank to pick up all 3 of the big ones and the other tank grabs the little ones and kites and generally protects the mini as much as possible, these little claws do despawn after a while so we don't waste time on dpsing them our main focus is taskmasters and we try and keep them stunned and feared and normally we are on the last one before we run out of cc options.

just remember to tell everyone that they need to be mobile and to be fast to run out of the green clouds which on top of the green puddles are very hard to see, so everyone in the raid needs to be able to monitor there own debuffs and to be fast to take disease pots, the LM in your group also needs to make sure they don't have paai traited so they can remove multiple diseases from the opposite group in case it is needed.

One other little thing is make sure that your minstrels know not to stand near rooted TM these guys have a large melee range.

We rarely wipe using that tactic so good luck and have fun

ps - it is all about practise!

By "little cave claws" do you guys mean the ones that spawn and just run to the door, not attacking anyone? The best strat for these is to let them run to the door, since they don't attack anyone.

Mez trolls, tank/kite TM's, blender down cave claws then burn down TM's, then trolls, one by one. You can just blender down the TM's if you've got enough AoE.

please dont nerf

Is there any double checked information how does the steam debuff work at the boss? For both tiers.