Thread: Can someone explain Tower of Orthanc locks pls

Hi guys I've just started to do the Orthanc raids, but I don't know what "number" lock corresponds to which stage (Fire & Frost, Acid etc.). I did Fire & Frost and have lock 1 and 3. So I guess I inherited one lock from the leader, not sure which one though. It makes it a bit confusing which Raids I can join which have certain stage locks.

Thanks for any help

fire/frost - 1
lightning - 2
acid - 3
shadow - 4

Thanks for that

Originally Posted by JBriz

fire/frost - 1
lightning - 2
acid - 3
shadow - 4

If those are the locks then what does flag(s) means? I did Acid wing and when I do /raid locks it showed that I have "Isengard: The Tower of Orthanc - Flag 4 - Resets in 3d - 9h - 49m". Also, how exactly does being lock works? I mean I know I can't do Acid wing again until reset, but what about being able to join for other wings(Fire/Frost, Shadow, and Lightning)? Does the raid leader has to have the same lock as I do before I can join the group and get in the instance?

The lock list is a simple list of which locks you have. The "flag" is a single number that unifies those locks, presumably in a binary fashion

IE. (just hypothetical, do not quote me on this as i am not basing it on any known numbers)
lock;flag
1=1
2=2
3=3
1,2=4
1,3=5
2,3=6
1,2,3=7
1,2,3,4=8
1,2,3,4,5=9

As an aside, I know that if you have all 16 CD locks it will say you have flag 255.

You do not have to have the same locks as a raid leader in order to join the raid, however if you enter an instance for which they have the locks (and you do not,) you will inherit those locks; and if you have a lock that the raid leader does not, you will not be able to enter the instance for which you have the lock(s)

Originally Posted by Iracham

You do not have to have the same locks as a raid leader in order to join the raid, however if you enter an instance for which they have the locks (and you do not,) you will inherit those locks; and if you have a lock that the raid leader does not, you will not be able to enter the instance for which you have the lock(s)

When you said cannot enter instances you mean ToO itself or the actual wings(acid, fire/frost, etc...)? Because I did Acid wing only and couldn't get into ToO itself when I joined a kin raid with a leader who hasn't done any wing yet. Seem odd that I can't get into ToO to do said Fire/Frost with a raid leader who hasn't done any wing yet.

Originally Posted by Kakita_EC

When you said cannot enter instances you mean ToO itself or the actual wings(acid, fire/frost, etc...)? Because I did Acid wing only and couldn't get into ToO itself when I joined a kin raid with a leader who hasn't done any wing yet. Seem odd that I can't get into ToO to do said Fire/Frost with a raid leader who hasn't done any wing yet.

In order to have joined that raid, the leader would have needed to pass lead to you. You would then create the instance and hop in. Everyone else would join, you can then pass lead back to whomever. Be aware though, that everyone else in the raid now has locks for Acid. If your kin wanted to run Acid and Fire/Frost, they would need to run Acid first either without you, or you on an alt. After that, everyone would have Acid locks and you could continue as normal. Hope this makes some sense.

You cannot enter an instance to which you have different locks than the leader. Full Stop.

Originally Posted by Rothdire

In order to have joined that raid, the leader would have needed to pass lead to you. You would then create the instance and hop in. Everyone else would join, you can then pass lead back to whomever. Be aware though, that everyone else in the raid now has locks for Acid. If your kin wanted to run Acid and Fire/Frost, they would need to run Acid first either without you, or you on an alt. After that, everyone would have Acid locks and you could continue as normal. Hope this makes some sense.

I think I understand how it works now. So for right now because I have Acid lock, all I need to join any ToO raid is for the raid leader to have Acid lock as well correct? Otherwise I would have to be the raid leader right?

Yes, and if you were leader, anyone entering the instance would immediately acquire the acid lock as well.

As an aside, if you have acid lock only and someone else has fire/ice but not acid, afaik there is no way to join the 2 locks short of finding a third person with both to lead.

I had someone acquire locks 1-4 from a group I was in after we cleared shadow wing, and he said he could go back and do Frost & Fire and Acid, the two he missed actually completing, if he dropped group and started up his own instance. WAI? Bug?

Originally Posted by rhegan

I had someone acquire locks 1-4 from a group I was in after we cleared shadow wing, and he said he could go back and do Frost & Fire and Acid, the two he missed actually completing, if he dropped group and started up his own instance. WAI? Bug?

Incomplete data.

If you were in a group that was not Orthanc, he would not have inherited your locks. You only inherit locks for the instance that you enter, if you enter the instance, and if the leader has locks that you do not.

You will not inherit Orthanc raid locks from people that you run foundry or GB or a skirmish with, ever, unless one of them starts up an Orthanc raid and you enter the instance that they create.

If in fact he joined your Orthanc raid and entered the Orthanc instance that had been cleared to saruman, and then could still create his own raid and not have locks for acid or fire/ice, then that would be a rather large bug.

Originally Posted by Iracham

Incomplete data.

If you were in a group that was not Orthanc, he would not have inherited your locks. You only inherit locks for the instance that you enter, if you enter the instance, and if the leader has locks that you do not.

What? This entire thread is about Orthanc! Yes, it was an Orthanc wing, with a second tank having joined us for Lightning (done out of order) and then Shadow, with not having done 1,3 that week, but he was able to enter Frost & Fire (and then did it with another group) after we broke up. I figured it was /bugworthy, and I guess it is? Maybe it's related to doing the wings out of order.