Thread: Which Wyrmscale cloak?

I finally got my dragon scales, so the question now is which Wyrmscale cloak to make.

The obvious choice is Wizard's, but Protector's is interesting too.

Which cloaks did other folks choose, and why?

I took the Vit one. That was mostly because there was no good Will cloak w/ Finesse and it is hands down the highest morale cloak in the game ( you can actually use the block too ). But I PvP a lot. It also helps I have what I consider to be a better cloak than the Will Draigoch one, Drugoth's Clasped Cloak. Also, it looks WAY better imo.

http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z...othclasped.jpg

Recently though I am hearing Finesse is broken, so, yeah. Plus they REALLY buffed the Storyteller's cloak.

You're right that the Storyteller's Cloak is awesome. I have a range of other good non-Dragioch cloaks (Theodred crafted, Elven Reflection, et al.) and it is very, very competitive with them.

I have a strong preference for the Wizard cosmetics, and must admit to being somewhat influenced by that ...

It turns out that there's a big trade-off in power-over-time vs. morale, and I always go with power-over-time. E.g., I've gone for the "True" relics across the board, which rock at ICPR but, except for the Runes, don't help with morale. And I prefer the Clarinet's lower power consumption to the "of Harmony" morale-friendly instruments.

Given that, in my particular situation, I suspect I should take the morale cloak.

On the other hand, it's tough not to go for the choice that gives the very best tactical output ...

I went with the Wizards. The vitality one looks horrible to me and I really don't need more morale as a Minstrel (it's already too easy as it is).

Originally Posted by Gillianrial

I went with the Wizards. The vitality one looks horrible to me and I really don't need more morale as a Minstrel (it's already too easy as it is).

What level of unbuffed morale are you comfortable going into a difficult raid or instance with?

I get the sense that 6,000 is always a good idea, and that there are times one wants more than that.

Originally Posted by CurtMonash

What level of unbuffed morale are you comfortable going into a difficult raid or instance with?

I get the sense that 6,000 is always a good idea, and that there are times one wants more than that.

PvE - I raid with about 6700 morale morale unbuffed
PvP - I solo (don't group much) with 7600 morale unbuffed

I use the protectors cloak and have 8800 morale and 7100 power unbuffed. I have healed every raid and instance in the game and find that as long as I keep my Will around 1200 I do fine. I have plenty of gear that could push my will to 2000 without buffs but the dminishing returns are so bad that I find it is not worth the trade off in morale.

I use the Wizard's cloak, although I did debate about using the Protector's cloak for awhile before making it, and then I debated keeping my Wizard's cloak for an alt before equipping it. The clasp upgrade available through the new raid tipped the balance for me, even though I just hate the cosmetics on the Wizard's cloak.

After agonizing for a day, I went with the Protector's Cloak. Early in my raid that evening, I got down to <300 Morale, recovered, and kept my group alive. With less morale I would have died.

i went with wizard's but morale and vit on jewellery is a cinch if you can craft or have a friend craft it, those vibrant bracelets!!!

But equally you can go with the protector cloak and get your will elsewhere, for me it was a function of what I already had and needed to bolster. I had morale and vit, but needed to boost will.

Originally Posted by SerendipityUK

i went with wizard's but morale and vit on jewellery is a cinch if you can craft or have a friend craft it, those vibrant bracelets!!!

But equally you can go with the protector cloak and get your will elsewhere, for me it was a function of what I already had and needed to bolster. I had morale and vit, but needed to boost will.

I find I have more stuff with 92-122 Will per piece than anybody could possibly want.

I guess it depends on whether the Crit or the Finesse is more important for you

I haven´t got enough scales yet, so no need to decide, but I´m seeing lots of Wizard´s Cloaks around

I went with the protector, tho I am sort of sorry about it seeing the upgrade for the clasped cloak now. I agree with CurtMonash; I have run enough skraids that I have most of the 122+ will jewelry items. The protectors cloak allows me to slot most of them and not feel nervous about my morale total.

And I feel that 6K morale (unbuffed) is inadequate for the new raids. Nothing like getting clipped by a T2 Smush or Swipe attack in lightning wing to make you feel squishy.

Originally Posted by Esherdon

I use the protectors cloak and have 8800 morale and 7100 power unbuffed. I have healed every raid and instance in the game and find that as long as I keep my Will around 1200 I do fine. I have plenty of gear that could push my will to 2000 without buffs but the dminishing returns are so bad that I find it is not worth the trade off in morale.

You might find you need more healing for the t2c orthanc content. I know its popular with minis to boost morale pretty high but usually with good positioning you can avoid any of the 1 shot aoe's.

Personally I run the will cloak with 7k morale, 8k+ power unbuffed and am pushing 50% outgoing healing fully raid buffed (can hit 50% with 6.4k morale but its not worth it hehe). And my mini still has terrible rings lol. The new sets provide plenty of morale, there is no need to waste your cloak on a tanking one. You can get plenty of jewellry from skirms that has high vit on it anyway.

My 2 cents.

The Wizards cloak is hardly any better than a piece of Skirmish Jewelry. It's completely foolish to take it - thats the fact of the matter (unless you like it cosmetically) This is particularly true because there are other Will cloaks on the same level you can use instead.

The Morale cloak is irreplacable for it's slot - there is no other item for that slot you can easily get to replace that.

Yes there are morale rings in game. Lots of them. Lots of Will rings too. Both kinds easy to get. Not so on good morale cloaks - but so on good will cloaks.

Itemization availability made the decision for you.


Plus as a healer your #1 job is to live. Your #2 job is healing. You really should be near 8k morale. Your Will does not need to be skyhigh. Your mitigations should be. Use relics that give a combination of Morale+Tact in that order. Skip the icpr, just coda your power and if its too busy rely on LM or songbrother. This will let you safely and successfully heal all of the instances in the game. My outgoing healing is 43.5% (totally unbuffed). Thats PLENTY. My morale is like 1350 or something modest like that.

When we did Saruman for our first time, I did not even need to FH - not in part 1,2,3,4, not in part 5. I lost no one in my group, and I had squishies. I used TS only once, early on. The extra mitigations and morale keep me safer so I can stand still if I need to (in the heat of it) and get off some heals where a squisher minstrel is squeaking and moving, and struggling from spikes/mistakes, and more on edge/closer to panic thereby making poorer decisions. Keep your minstrel cozy in health, buys you time. Time is what you need to heal well. Also, it gives you a lot of 'comfort zone', and your brain works better and more flexibly without stress. Stress blanks your brain out from time to time and leads to inflexible decisions. Lots of morale makes for a good minstrel making good decisions. I didnt do Saruman on my first run without using FH cause I was making bad decisions.

Being able to cast a heal WHEN YOU MUST rather than moving or saving yourself equates to more heals total when it really matters, less panic, and better decision making - even if they are a bit smaller. Remember, when you got spiked, your group got spiked. Do you have the morale to tank it and heal without worrying? Or are you risking yourself and thereby your entire group?



Say your heals are 6% better than mine because you went Will and ICPR and dropped your health into the 6ks. So you get 1 'extra' heal every 18 heals worth (if all the same heals). Yeah so I got 18 heals and you got 19 heals in the same time frame. Except when it was chaotic, you were ducking/dodging and moving, and I was standing still keeping the heals rolling, and I healed for more in the end and not only that I healed when it mattered (everyone was dying) rather than getting safe.

An extra 2k morale IS a big deal and doubly so considering your extra resistance. Especially on the class THAT CANNOT AFFORD TO DIE. Its better if you can get more. Dont forget the mitigations, keep your Tact Resist up above 30% and your resistances at least 6k - again raw gear totally unbuffed.


Its 25% more health than you'll have for your 6% extra heals, if you go morale/tact relics and good Morale-based items. Your will will still be strong at 1350 etc. Even if it were 10% better heals it's still 11 heals to my 10, but again I have more cushion for the pushin', so I can heal when it truly matters that I keep healing - rather than scrambling to save my own skin. Id wager that Ill still get 11 heals to your 11 heals and in some cases much better, because youll have to move/save yourself when I can stand in the heat and push off a life-saving spell where you were forced to flee the spot. I can finish that induction that you died while casting, or ran cause you would have had you finished it.

It's a no-contest. The more tanky you are, the more indestructible you are - the more indestructible you are, the more you can choose to save other people when everyone just got crushed. You are the spine of the whole group - you keep the whole merry-go-round on the tracks - why would you gamble with squishiness for a little extra bling???
You may not save with quite as big of a bang - but you are actually saving them instead of saving yourself, running somewhere safe, or lying there dead hoping they live long enough to rez you, heal you, get you power, get your ballads and anthems up... etc.

I went with the wizards cloak. Yes the protecters is "useful" to a minstrel especially with how much morale it gives but I run around in healing gear with 7.4-6k and DPS with a lil over 8k. You just have to build the rest of you gear around whichever cloak you get.

I think Sarchol is a better choice than the Protectors Cloak, you loose 122 Vitality, but you gain 1500 Physical and Tactical Migitation

Originally Posted by L_Loomis

The Wizards cloak is hardly any better than a piece of Skirmish Jewelry. It's completely foolish to take it - thats the fact of the matter (unless you like it cosmetically) This is particularly true because there are other Will cloaks on the same level you can use instead.

The Morale cloak is irreplacable for it's slot - there is no other item for that slot you can easily get to replace that.

Maybe so but look at the upgrades to the will cloak. There is no other will cloak that is as good as that. Will cloak is pretty irreplaceable for its slot as well.

Originally Posted by L_Loomis

Plus as a healer your #1 job is to live. Your #2 job is healing. You really should be near 8k morale. Your Will does not need to be skyhigh. Your mitigations should be. Use relics that give a combination of Morale+Tact in that order. Skip the icpr, just coda your power and if its too busy rely on LM or songbrother. This will let you safely and successfully heal all of the instances in the game. My outgoing healing is 43.5% (totally unbuffed). Thats PLENTY. My morale is like 1350 or something modest like that.

When we did Saruman for our first time, I did not even need to FH - not in part 1,2,3,4, not in part 5. I lost no one in my group, and I had squishies. I used TS only once, early on. The extra mitigations and morale keep me safer so I can stand still if I need to (in the heat of it) and get off some heals where a squisher minstrel is squeaking and moving, and struggling from spikes/mistakes, and more on edge/closer to panic thereby making poorer decisions. Keep your minstrel cozy in health, buys you time. Time is what you need to heal well. Also, it gives you a lot of 'comfort zone', and your brain works better and more flexibly without stress. Stress blanks your brain out from time to time and leads to inflexible decisions. Lots of morale makes for a good minstrel making good decisions. I didnt do Saruman on my first run without using FH cause I was making bad decisions.

Being able to cast a heal WHEN YOU MUST rather than moving or saving yourself equates to more heals total when it really matters, less panic, and better decision making - even if they are a bit smaller. Remember, when you got spiked, your group got spiked. Do you have the morale to tank it and heal without worrying? Or are you risking yourself and thereby your entire group?

I dunno, I think 10k morale fully raid buffed is plenty. Surviving and healing go hand in hand, its amazing how much healing you can have though with a decent morale pool. Also, if you have to coda for power too much, it can drastically lower heal or dps output for your group. I dunno how much of t2 you have done but you might find your outgoing healing point a bit low. Especially for t2 acid and shadow.

Is that saruman t1 or t2? Cause t1 is pretty faceroll, iirc we did it on like the 2nd day of the update lol. Again, I felt that 10k morale was plenty for that fight (at the time I had in the 9ish range but I am 10k now). Thats plenty of morale to take aoe spikes. If you are taking 10k hits then you are simply just doing it wrong, and having more morale likely won't save you. Also, I do a lot of my positioning at the beginning of the fight so I don't have to move much and will pretty much avoid all the aoe's that are avoidable.

Also, I will be pushing 8k morale unbuffed once I finally win the bracelet, ring and pocket I am farming for and finish off the mini set. All that with almost 50% outgoing healing.

Originally Posted by swordmonkey

Maybe so but look at the upgrades to the will cloak. There is no other will cloak that is as good as that. Will cloak is pretty irreplaceable for its slot as well.



I dunno, I think 10k morale fully raid buffed is plenty. Surviving and healing go hand in hand, its amazing how much healing you can have though with a decent morale pool. Also, if you have to coda for power too much, it can drastically lower heal or dps output for your group. I dunno how much of t2 you have done but you might find your outgoing healing point a bit low. Especially for t2 acid and shadow.

Is that saruman t1 or t2? Cause t1 is pretty faceroll, iirc we did it on like the 2nd day of the update lol. Again, I felt that 10k morale was plenty for that fight (at the time I had in the 9ish range but I am 10k now). Thats plenty of morale to take aoe spikes. If you are taking 10k hits then you are simply just doing it wrong, and having more morale likely won't save you. Also, I do a lot of my positioning at the beginning of the fight so I don't have to move much and will pretty much avoid all the aoe's that are avoidable.

Also, I will be pushing 8k morale unbuffed once I finally win the bracelet, ring and pocket I am farming for and finish off the mini set. All that with almost 50% outgoing healing.

There is virtually zero difference between a bolster for 2, 500 and a bolster for 2, 700. It's all overhealing, essentially. A negligible amount more on a heal will not make the difference in t2, t2 is more about avoiding damage or surviving it than healing through it. I make a point of stacking morale and vit to offset my liability to the group. I think everyone should do the same. You won't be able to use your higher heals if you or your target are dead because their morale is/wasn't high enough.

But then again, about 8k unbuffed is very respectable imo. I go for more and sometimes less depending on the fight.

Originally Posted by PhantomPunkk

There is virtually zero difference between a bolster for 2, 500 and a bolster for 2, 700. It's all overhealing, essentially. A negligible amount more on a heal will not make the difference in t2, t2 is more about avoiding damage than healing through it. I make a point of stacking morale and vit to offset my liability to the group. I think everyone should do the same. You won't be able to use your higher heals if you or your target are dead because their morale is wasn't high enough.

But then again, about 8k unbuffed is very respectable imo. I go for more and sometimes less depending on the fight.

Yeah there is def a balance to be had for sure, you do want a decent amount of morale/vit/mit and it depends on what your running. But you can still get high will jewellry and be pushing both 10k morale and 50% healing. For fun, I switch jewelry in skraids for capped outgoing healing, but lose a bit of morale for that.

Just did a boss fight tonight though where you def will want 50%, and heck, I felt like that wasn't enough. Bolsters 200 points higher were def desired in that fight. There was pretty much no such thing as over-healing on the tanks, fight was intense.

Personally, I like the will cloak, and its really all about your personal situation and experiences, how and what you raid etc. But really go with the wizards cloak, you can swap on the barter morale/vit bracelet if ya need that.

to each thier own.. I went with will as well..

You can "say" the same thing with just about any other class. Skirm raid cloaks are "nice" but the will cloak is still the best healing cloak in game. Sure there are a boatload of capes, that give just as much will, or just as much morale or power or crit. But the Will one gives the most in each of those stat areas. So hence its the best healing cloak in game.

With this cloak im at 6.9k morale and 7.9 power. Im one earing away and two relics from being complete build. At that point.. Ill probably be around 7.5 morale and 8.2k power. This is unbuffed.. I just dont see a reason to lose 122 will to add that much morale. But again.. get what you want. I dont berate people for choosing a diffrent cloak, doesnt matter to me much. After a point being a +/- 5% at end game gear stats means little, people will be able to heal as long as thier geared and traited out with pretty much any build. It then comes down to your reaction and knowledge of the instance ect ect.. I.E "skills" at that point.

Plus, if I ever get the clasp.... The next tier upgrade is a boatload better for a mini then the protectors one.

Heck, I couldve used my scales for any class.. but really , like my champ, Cape of Disipline, is again "close" to anything I could get with the scales. There just isnt a huge leap from Teal skirm drop to gold scale cape, for any class really. BUT there is a massive leap from the gold scale to the clasp capes for all classes. Not to go with your designed cape, may mean you may miss out on future leap.

But Im not a moors mini, so it may make a diffrence there. Already when I join a raid, a cappy gets me well above 8k morale . So To me its a non issue, I simply do not need more then 7k morale for most instances. I prefer to cap my outgoing as high as I can do it. The means using the will cape. Im a healing mini, not a moors one though.

I agree you can have too low morale. But anything above the 6k mark is usually reasonable.