Thread: Cyber Bulling on Gladden

Tis a very sad day to realize that the people on Gladden partake of Cyber Bulling, and that others allow it to happen.
A whole group of us left PoTCO, (a very family oriented MMO just for that reason). And even sadder the cyber bulling was started there by the same people as over here. At PoTCO you can jump freely from server to serverand not grounded like here. it was so bad the person stawked woman and when he didn't get the responce he wanted he had his 60 yr old female friend spread nasty rumers to the guilds and among Myspace where all the players and guilds had a page.
For Heaven sake you sick people stop it! You ruined poor Treasures MMo life, and made it so we all had to abandon Myspace do to false reports of abuse on people. And everyone realized after the Email was posted and the copy of the conversation that you are a mentally ill person who needs to be on meds, and all who had forsaken the others just on your word, came back and asked for friendship.
This is a disgusting little game you and your 60 yr old lady lover are playing, and games like this has caused young kids who live for MMO's to kill themselfs. STOP IT, STOP IT NOW!! Grow up it is only a Game!!

The best thing I can suggest, is to report harrassment on the player of you witness it and let the GM's do their job.

If this action is not enough for you, I suggest you contact your local police and report it as cyberbullying is a crime.

There are many features in the game designed to prevent cyber bullying. The most important of which is the /ignore feature. Someone being rude to you? Annoying you? Badgering you? Guess what, /ignore and you won't see anything else from them. There's really no way around an ignore unless the player actively follows you around. If that occurs, you can then report the individual for harassment to a GM who will address the issue if the player's actions warrant it.

I would hardly say people from Gladden, as a whole, partake and allow cyber bullying. Sure some people may butt heads in the PVP zone occasionally, but most take any flack we catch from that with a grain of salt. What you described doesn't seem to be the actions of Gladden, but that of two individuals who obviously have issues. The /ignore feature works wonders, and if that doesn't do the trick, file a ticket.

Why you would even make a thread blaming Gladden as a community for two individuals' harassment of someone is beyond me. There are proper channels to take to prevent harassment, and in my opinion, this is probably the worst route to go. All you're doing is blaming other people for actions of two individuals, while also letting them know they achieved their goal, of getting under your skin and causing the target of their attacks to have a "ruined mmo life".

Well it is when one person sens you a tell saying "I'll will see that you are removed from this kin because I won't be in the same kin with you", but what ever they said you get booted, and they are new to the kin. And they go no to start the whole PoTCO mess up again. It is just sick that people feel the need to hurt others and play sick games. I thought they were adults, but I guess they never grew up!

so then I will ask you, how did these people find you on that particular server out of the many that Turbine has. There seems to be a bit more to this story that is missing (as there usually is). If you are choosing not to use the /ignore and report harrassment features in the game there is nothing anyone here on the forums can do.

But again i would like to know, how did these 2 particular people find you in a game with such a huge number of players?
Did you let them know you were coming?
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Originally Posted by Sultiana

Tis a very sad day to realize that the people on Gladden partake of Cyber Bulling, and that others allow it to happen.
A whole group of us left PoTCO, (a very family oriented MMO just for that reason). And even sadder the cyber bulling was started there by the same people as over here. At PoTCO you can jump freely from server to serverand not grounded like here. it was so bad the person stawked woman and when he didn't get the responce he wanted he had his 60 yr old female friend spread nasty rumers to the guilds and among Myspace where all the players and guilds had a page.
For Heaven sake you sick people stop it! You ruined poor Treasures MMo life, and made it so we all had to abandon Myspace do to false reports of abuse on people. And everyone realized after the Email was posted and the copy of the conversation that you are a mentally ill person who needs to be on meds, and all who had forsaken the others just on your word, came back and asked for friendship.
This is a disgusting little game you and your 60 yr old lady lover are playing, and games like this has caused young kids who live for MMO's to kill themselfs. STOP IT, STOP IT NOW!! Grow up it is only a Game!!

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The sad part is the first Kin I was in here on Gladden was formed fromed by all PoTCO players, and the Kin Master Posted it on Myspace for about a year, so now almost every Kin I go to these two follow me. It is to the point I have had to abandon Gladdon just this week and move on to another server to to be free of them till I can aford to buy the TP to change all my Chars Names.
It is this or play another game all together, but I love LoTRO.

Originally Posted by Sultiana

Tis a very sad day to realize that the people on Gladden partake of Cyber Bulling, and that others allow it to happen.
A whole group of us left PoTCO, (a very family oriented MMO just for that reason). And even sadder the cyber bulling was started there by the same people as over here. At PoTCO you can jump freely from server to serverand not grounded like here. it was so bad the person stawked woman and when he didn't get the responce he wanted he had his 60 yr old female friend spread nasty rumers to the guilds and among Myspace where all the players and guilds had a page.
For Heaven sake you sick people stop it! You ruined poor Treasures MMo life, and made it so we all had to abandon Myspace do to false reports of abuse on people. And everyone realized after the Email was posted and the copy of the conversation that you are a mentally ill person who needs to be on meds, and all who had forsaken the others just on your word, came back and asked for friendship.
This is a disgusting little game you and your 60 yr old lady lover are playing, and games like this has caused young kids who live for MMO's to kill themselfs. STOP IT, STOP IT NOW!! Grow up it is only a Game!!

That's why most people play video games like this one. RL pantsies tell you "shattap or I'll jack a plane and fly it into your house" like some guy whose name I don't remember. If he was smart enough and could in-fact jack a plane he wouldn't be playing lotro in a pool of his own piss. People who treat games like this with a bit of distance are rarity.

It's interesting to see how players form internet groups and move between games in clans (practically real-life strangers)...fascinating (as in pervasive) and I think a lot of game companies could make use of this (or at least I would If I was in charge here).

Originally Posted by Sultiana

The sad part is the first Kin I was in here on Gladden was formed fromed by all PoTCO players, and the Kin Master Posted it on Myspace for about a year, so now almost every Kin I go to these two follow me. It is to the point I have had to abandon Gladdon just this week and move on to another server to to be free of them till I can aford to buy the TP to change all my Chars Names.
It is this or play another game all together, but I love LoTRO.

Ok so I now I understand the how, but here is another startegy you may partake.... Secretly speak with your pals from PoTCO and decide on a new server, then create charecters with new names and start fresh. the chances of these bullies following you to another sevrer if it is not posted on myspace/facebook should be minimul unless thar be a spy amongst you..

In that case once again choose another server and find some new friends. But I still digress back to reporting them to the GM's for harrassment as they do it.

Just be like my good friend swordsmann and challenge them to a rl duel. Na, but like Viceras said, just /ignore them. Personally, I don't take poo from ppl in this game, I either challenge them to a spar or ask them who their creep is so I can gank them in their zerg/zerg them/endlessly/gank them. People in this game are internet tough guys that probably are virgins with acne, obese, and live in their mom's basement at 40; dont be intimated by them because they are really just no-fighting-ability cowards, and if they were to would probably run outta breath really quick due to being obese. For me, I like to keep relatively in shape. Just remember, they probably wouldn't dare say things to your face.

Originally Posted by Hellogoodbye2

Just be like my good friend swordsmann and challenge them to a rl duel. Na, but like Viceras said, just /ignore them. Personally, I don't take poo from ppl in this game, I either challenge them to a spar or ask them who their creep is so I can gank them in their zerg/zerg them/endlessly/gank them.

Except if you do they're making you play their game. Laughter is the way. I don't target anyone as a creep just the ones who make mistakes and/or are full of themselves. I heard the word "skill" used with reference to this game but I prefer to use it when referring to job description / skillset. Electrician, plumber, nurse...(lotro gamer?)

Originally Posted by MusicalDwarf

Except if you do they're making you play their game. Laughter is the way. I don't target anyone as a creep just the ones who make mistakes and/or are full of themselves.

Lol, my friend, I'm playing no ones game but my own, the thing is... they dont live, so I win ; it's quite fun for me honestly. It's because they have no skill I can do this, and thus, this gives me laughter, you see.

Originally Posted by Hellogoodbye2

Lol, my friend, I'm playing no ones game but my own, the thing is... they dont live, so I win ; it's quite fun for me honestly. It's because they have no skill I can do this, and thus, this gives me laughter, you see.

That's the thing I don't believe there is such thing as skill. It's a game - a 10 year old can be as good as 60 year old, it's not a career path. The ability to defeat an enemy is provided by the enemy himself (Sun Tzu), the whole PvMP to me is not about rank but about not making mistakes and exploiting those of others while not letting others to throw you off balance with their "shut the trap or I'm gonna jack a plane...".

I think we mean same thing I just don't like seeing this word used in conjunction with "lotro". Lotro is entertainment. Not having it? Junk it.

Originally Posted by MusicalDwarf

That's the thing I don't believe there is such thing as skill. It's a game - a 10 year old can be as good as 60 year old, it's not a career path. The ability to defeat an enemy is provided by the enemy himself (Sun Tzu), the whole PvMP to me is not about rank but about not making mistakes and exploiting those of others while not letting others to throw you off balance with their "shut the trap or I'm gonna jack a plane...".

I think we mean same thing I just don't like seeing this word used in conjunction with "lotro". Lotro is entertainment. Not having it? Junk it.

There is skill involved. The skill is you learning those exploits ect. Sure a 60 year old can be better than a 10 year old at the game but most sixty year olds dont play video games (at least that I know)

If there was no skill everyone would be equal and fights would last indefinitely but people having certains skills i.e finding exploits and getting an exttra hit here and there is what makes this game a challenge.

Originally Posted by kickman77

There is skill involved. The skill is you learning those exploits ect. Sure a 60 year old can be better than a 10 year old at the game but most sixty year olds dont play video games (at least that I know)

If there was no skill everyone would be equal and fights would last indefinitely but people having certains skills i.e finding exploits and getting an exttra hit here and there is what makes this game a challenge.

Alright, it's a skilled-job.

Originally Posted by MusicalDwarf

That's the thing I don't believe there is such thing as skill. It's a game - a 10 year old can be as good as 60 year old, it's not a career path. The ability to defeat an enemy is provided by the enemy himself (Sun Tzu), the whole PvMP to me is not about rank but about not making mistakes and exploiting those of others while not letting others to throw you off balance with their "shut the trap or I'm gonna jack a plane...".

I think we mean same thing I just don't like seeing this word used in conjunction with "lotro". Lotro is entertainment. Not having it? Junk it.

I have enough experience (prolly one of the most experienced on the server, if not the most right now, not bragging, just sayin) to know that it does take skill to pvp, and if your enemies are bad, then you can take advantage of them by yourself. Talking about the solo standpoint now, which takes the most skill out there when pvping in that environment.

Now zerging takes no skill, but being able to outplay your enemy or enemies takes by yourself does take skill, not as much in this game as in other games, though. This game is pretty easy when you get it downpat. Yes, rank does not make you good, it's to know your enemy (Last Samurai ). It's ashame because very few high ranks are good at their class, when every one of them technically should be the best at it or have some sort of great level of skill.

In conclusion and blunt and to the point, if some noob is bothering you, don't take their foolishness and take them out yourself !

Originally Posted by Hellogoodbye2

I have enough experience (prolly one of the most experienced on the server, if not the most right now, not bragging, just sayin) to know that it does take skill to pvp, and if your enemies are bad, then you can take advantage of them by yourself. Talking about the solo standpoint now, which takes the most skill out there when pvping in that environment.

Now zerging takes no skill, but being able to outplay your enemy or enemies takes by yourself does take skill, not as much in this game as in other games, though. This game is pretty easy when you get it downpat. Yes, rank does not make you good, it's to know your enemy (Last Samurai ). It's ashame because very few high ranks are good at their class, when every one of them technically should be the best at it or have some sort of great level of skill.

In conclusion and blunt and to the point, if some noob is bothering you, don't take their foolishness and take them out yourself !

I think this game has little strategy in it. It relies on a ranking system. You cannot do anything as an r1 warg and you'll die often. As an r10 you have the...skill (?). A bit of intuition, wit and a nerve - that's all (and a lot of time...if you're NEET it's okay I guess).
Can you however defeat a fully geared out champion with intuition, wit and nerve only as an r1 warg (a lot of skill and a lot of different kind of paraphernalia like stun potions...getting them requires no "skill" just huge amount of time to waste)? No you cannot unless you drag the guy into npcs.
Everyone I know has the same skill that makes him/her run to cops if they're getting bullied no matter how tough they come across as.

That's why tactics doesn't matter in this game and pvp is boring to be honest. Ranks should only slightly boost player's chances of winning. I've always been a great fun of Guild Wars pvp. You can start the game and pvp right away (you lose out only on cosmetic outfits as a strictly pvp character which you can earn later through pvp anyway).

I don't think Lotro was meant to be a PvP game.

It takes a small amount of "skill" to play games and I'm not trying to negate what you're saying but overall this is a game and it's here for people to enjoy - not to upset anyone. If somebody is treating this like a professional competition - it's better to play Guild Wars since you can earn 100 000$ (yes! real money, people who play that game are like athletes) in GvG.

Only bad thing about old GW is the monk class (which won't be in GW2 but GW2 will feature anthropomorphic animals shooting bows instead. That's a bit too childish for me )

How did we go from cyber bulling to skill in an mmo? @OP Something similar happened to me and some others. The best way to deal with it is just to ignore it. Trolls feed off knowing they upset you in some way. So just ignore it and play. Gladden, like any server, has its dbags but there are more friendly people around.

Originally Posted by Aiyah

How did we go from cyber bulling to skill in an mmo? @OP Something similar happened to me and some others. The best way to deal with it is just to ignore it. Trolls feed off knowing they upset you in some way. So just ignore it and play. Gladden, like any server, has its dbags but there are more friendly people around.

Mainly because "skill" and "elitism" have a lot to do with cyber-bullying and cyber-bullying is not a prosperous phenomenon to developers (it is however prosperous to the bullies; coward in real-life is a bully over the net and vice versa but that's another topic).

Turbine's game designers base their systems around the idea of elitism and ranking that's why LOTRO has such a low player-base compared to other MMOs (like Guild Wars; elitism and skill in Guild Wars for instance is based around group interaction and team-work) and with mind-blowing graphics, license (yep it cost a lot...that's why million other game designers didn't make a million other and better LoTR games) to use Tolkien's universe it doesn't make much sense.

Originally Posted by MusicalDwarf

I think this game has little strategy in it. It relies on a ranking system. You cannot do anything as an r1 warg and you'll die often. As an r10 you have the...skill (?). A bit of intuition, wit and a nerve - that's all (and a lot of time...if you're NEET it's okay I guess).
Can you however defeat a fully geared out champion with intuition, wit and nerve only as an r1 warg (a lot of skill and a lot of different kind of paraphernalia like stun potions...getting them requires no "skill" just huge amount of time to waste)? No you cannot unless you drag the guy into npcs.
Everyone I know has the same skill that makes him/her run to cops if they're getting bullied no matter how tough they come across as.

That's why tactics doesn't matter in this game and pvp is boring to be honest. Ranks should only slightly boost player's chances of winning. I've always been a great fun of Guild Wars pvp. You can start the game and pvp right away (you lose out only on cosmetic outfits as a strictly pvp character which you can earn later through pvp anyway).

I don't think Lotro was meant to be a PvP game.

It takes a small amount of "skill" to play games and I'm not trying to negate what you're saying but overall this is a game and it's here for people to enjoy - not to upset anyone. If somebody is treating this like a professional competition - it's better to play Guild Wars since you can earn 100 000$ (yes! real money, people who play that game are like athletes) in GvG.

Only bad thing about old GW is the monk class (which won't be in GW2 but GW2 will feature anthropomorphic animals shooting bows instead. That's a bit too childish for me )

Hmmm, tho seldom, it can happen with a low rank beating a freep with gear, the freep just has to be really, really bad . In in the case of the rank 1 beating the bad champ NOW seeing as how op they are, the rank 1 would probably need shadowhowler through the turbine store and delving corruptions, but it is remotely possible if the champ is bad. My friend Gunnor's creep beat a champ as a rnk 3 reaver, implying some sort of skill over his opponent. Viceras's greenie reaver beat a guard that was geared. I have beaten a guard on a greenie wl, as well as makin a guard run with pledge on a greenie reaver, pretty funny actually. So, skill can be asserted in this game, but depends on the quality of player come across; sad thing is, this game isnt that hard to be good at, yet you see a lot of fails running around in the moors :P.

I do agree however how this skill takes prolly the least skill in the 2 mmos (this and swtor) that I've played with pvp, and I can assume many other mmos as well.

I think lotro would make a great pvp game, but you have dimwits running it, so...

Originally Posted by Hellogoodbye2

Hmmm, tho seldom, it can happen with a low rank beating a freep with gear, the freep just has to be really, really bad . In in the case of the rank 1 beating the bad champ NOW seeing as how op they are, the rank 1 would probably need shadowhowler through the turbine store and delving corruptions, but it is remotely possible if the champ is bad. My friend Gunnor's creep beat a champ as a rnk 3 reaver, implying some sort of skill over his opponent. Viceras's greenie reaver beat a guard that was geared. I have beaten a guard on a greenie wl, as well as makin a guard run with pledge on a greenie reaver, pretty funny actually. So, skill can be asserted in this game, but depends on the quality of player come across; sad thing is, this game isnt that hard to be good at, yet you see a lot of fails running around in the moors :P.

I do agree however how this skill takes prolly the least skill in the 2 mmos (this and swtor) that I've played with pvp, and I can assume many other mmos as well.

I think lotro would make a great pvp game, but you have dimwits running it, so...

Agreed it is possible. Dimwits in Turbine - that's a no I'm afraid. Dimwits are the ones that stick around and torture themselves when it ceases to be enjoyable. Game designer is not the same as game developer (these ones Turbine has very good). Game designers...guys who develop content, engineer systems - on occasions they get paid double as much as game developers (even though devs are the backbone of every game company...). Now game designers are tasked with squeezing pennies out of audience since they are under pressure from producers and if not they want to "deliver" and "boot-lick" for bonuses. That's the problem - I believe - though I can only guess. If producers don't register profit they shut you down or somebody else will take over company. Greed and the whole not-so-free-to-play franchise has little benefits long term.

So don't blame game devs because if not they - somebody else will do the job. Blame the top people with little knowledge and care for success of a product (little care because they lose out on one make millions on another - WB...Tesco and Aldi) and demand results / profits within shortest possible time + armies of useless market analysts.

Originally Posted by MusicalDwarf

Mainly because "skill" and "elitism" have a lot to do with cyber-bullying and cyber-bullying is not a prosperous phenomenon to developers (it is however prosperous to the bullies; coward in real-life is a bully over the net and vice versa but that's another topic).

Turbine's game designers base their systems around the idea of elitism and ranking that's why LOTRO has such a low player-base compared to other MMOs (like Guild Wars; elitism and skill in Guild Wars for instance is based around group interaction and team-work) and with mind-blowing graphics, license (yep it cost a lot...that's why million other game designers didn't make a million other and better LoTR games) to use Tolkien's universe it doesn't make much sense.

Understood but OP was talking of a situation where a friend of her's is getting stalked and harrassed on top of false rumors being spread on her Myspace out of malice. Elitism in the game has nothing to do with these incidents. It just feels like this topic is being derailed into something else. And I tried to tell her most of Gladden doesn't take part in this behavior. There are good people on Gladden. Just ignore the douchebags and trolls. This troll is taking it to another level though and so maybe it's not a bad idea to get the police involved.

Originally Posted by Sultiana

The sad part is the first Kin I was in here on Gladden was formed fromed by all PoTCO players, and the Kin Master Posted it on Myspace for about a year, so now almost every Kin I go to these two follow me. It is to the point I have had to abandon Gladdon just this week and move on to another server to to be free of them till I can aford to buy the TP to change all my Chars Names.
It is this or play another game all together, but I love LoTRO.

Changing your characters' names won't help you. If the person that's bothering you has you on his friends list, then he'll see the new names soon after the change goes through.

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To the 2-3 folks having the random discussion about skill, being elite, exploiting, PvP, and whatever else you're discussing: I'm not sure what the point of your inane and barely intelligible discussion is, but keep on keepin' on...

Originally Posted by MusicalDwarf

Agreed it is possible. Dimwits in Turbine - that's a no I'm afraid. Dimwits are the ones that stick around and torture themselves when it ceases to be enjoyable. Game designer is not the same as game developer (these ones Turbine has very good). Game designers...guys who develop content, engineer systems - on occasions they get paid double as much as game developers (even though devs are the backbone of every game company...). Now game designers are tasked with squeezing pennies out of audience since they are under pressure from producers and if not they want to "deliver" and "boot-lick" for bonuses. That's the problem - I believe - though I can only guess. If producers don't register profit they shut you down or somebody else will take over company. Greed and the whole not-so-free-to-play franchise has little benefits long term.

So don't blame game devs because if not they - somebody else will do the job. Blame the top people with little knowledge and care for success of a product (little care because they lose out on one make millions on another - WB...Tesco and Aldi) and demand results / profits within shortest possible time + armies of useless market analysts.

Yup, that's why I have went on to a game that cares about their customers... it starts with a S and ends with a TOR . I'm sorry, but I'm pretty sure there is some stupidity by the ones that have created this game, being 4.5 years and this game still not being where it needs to be. It hasn't even been a month in star wars and that game is already living up to its potential.

This is insane you want people to treat cyber bulling with PvMP, so that more harrassment can continue! Others want a Whole Kin just to up and move to another server. Are you people drinking before you are responding or are you all 12 years old and the answer to everything is PvMP and if I win I'm right and your wrong. Wouldn't it be better for the person to remove themselfs from the situation, go to another server, or better a another game, as the mentality of most of the people here seem to be childish since it went F2P.
It is no wonder the bullys think they can get away it, look at your responces, to fight them! GROW UP !!

Have you reported the harrasser in game?

I'm sorry you're understandably frustrated with this thread. Report the harrasser.

Use /ignore. The End.

I can only think of one cyber bully we have on Gladden and I don't use /ignore. I enjoy the entertainment value of creepy people with book deals.

Two things to say to this:

1) Nice spelling.
2) If it's just a game then don't take the trolls seriously?

Originally Posted by Sultiana

This is insane you want people to treat cyber bulling with PvMP, so that more harrassment can continue! Others want a Whole Kin just to up and move to another server. Are you people drinking before you are responding or are you all 12 years old and the answer to everything is PvMP and if I win I'm right and your wrong. Wouldn't it be better for the person to remove themselfs from the situation, go to another server, or better a another game, as the mentality of most of the people here seem to be childish since it went F2P.
It is no wonder the bullys think they can get away it, look at your responces, to fight them! GROW UP !!

While I can understand your frustration with the pvp off-topic of this thread, I find it extremely humorous that you are now resorting to insulting those who are trying to help you with your issue by stating we are childish and 12 years old, in a thread in which *YOU* are complaining about cyber bullying. Stay classy.

As previously stated, the easiest answer is the /ignore feature and if that doesn't work, then submit a support ticket and report the individual for harassment. Although, based upon your insulting response to many individuals who genuinely were trying to offer you good advice, perhaps a single player game would be best suited for both parties involved, as it seems likely that this "cyber bullying" issue is a two-way street and not likely limited to the accused perpetrators.

This sounds like a very specific issue between specific people. I think you need to report it to customer service. Believe it or not, but Turbine does resolve situations like these.

Sorry you are having this problem but the best advice has already been given, report and /ignore. I wish you safer travels here on Gladden.

I R Cyberbull.

There's always some internet tough guy trying to start problems . Anyways I hope your problem got resolved.