Thread: Suicidal Warg Squad

Glad you enjoyed the run! We try to keep our Packs of Fluffy Death fun and entertaining for both sides.

-pup-

Lots of new additions to the tribe, welcome all!

Remember peepsies - you can always ask us to assist in /OOC SWS <location needed> and we will always respond as best we can. There's not always a lot of us on, and some of us will be tasked to other duties, but if any SWS are free, you are guaranteed their help.

Thanks to everyone on both sides for keeping this fun!

Love & Hugs

Fluffy Hithy

Originally Posted by Umbrarg

It has come to my attention that there are some complaints about Suicidal Warg Squad. Both from Freeps and Creeps.

I would like to take a little bit of your time and explain some things, hopefully set the record straight.

Firstly - we are not, and I repeat NOT, a ganking group. We do not camp res circles, we do not sit outside GV, we will not pursue one target all over the map and ignore all others. Well, except Budhorn, Vinnybaby and Radar of course

I was questioned on that Freep list - the reasoning is simple. Budhorn is the highest ranked Freep and a prime target. Vinnybaby is a very good leader, takes the fight to us as I hope we do to him, and a prime target. Radar is just outright dangerous, a good friend, and a prime target. Thats all there is to it - no animosity whatsoever.

Everyone in Suicidal Warg Squad is an Officer, and a leader. We are all equals, and so we are all equally expected to be able to lead both packs and open raids. We are all expected to engage on sight, and fight until we, or our targets, are dead. We try not to interrupt 1v1's - but it does happen sometimes - and I do apologise for that.

We have entry requirements for a reason - Wargs rank 5+ and at least two good maps, hardly difficult to achieve. To those complaining about our requirements - WE WILL HELP YOU attain them, but if you call us elitist snobs then we'll have nothing whatsoever to do with you. I run open packs, open raids, and will welcome everyone to them - but to become a member of Suicidal Warg Squad, you simply have to meet some basic criteria, be nice, and follow a certain "honour code" for lack of a better phrase.

We don't corpse jump. We don't run from fights. We will sometimes scatter, but only to regroup and attack again. Our goal is to offer combat and entertainment both for our Tribe members, our raid members, and of course our opponents! Without them, peepsies, we'd all spend our time collecting sticks - so please bear that in mind the next time you complain about Freep numbers.

I could not care less about Keeps being blue. A blue map means lots of noms. Those that complain about us not taking over Keeps need to think about WHY we leave them blue. If you can't comprehend that - you are welcome to drop and form your own raid to achieve your goal.

Lastly, Freeps, please bear in mind that every Warg pack you see is not neccessarily us. There are actually only a few Suicidal Wargs online at any given time normally. I got a real good giggle out of the last Freep who logged creepside to moan about me having two full raids of Wargs out just to eat their Runekeeper. There were four of us - and you killed me.

I hope this answers some of your questions. If you have any others, just pop me a tell in-game.

Love & Hugs

Fluffy Hithy

Kk I'm sorry but I have to call bs here

All these things you've listed are true only about you hithdraug but I'm damn sure I can at least count 10 in that tribe who don't follow you're way of pvp.

I know for a fact that there are those that camp gv and rezz circles , those that not only pursue and target single people out but also are too afraid to engage that person so instead they call that solo person out every step he/she takes until others map in on them to get that person ganked 5v1.

I'm not saying to exile this people in your tribe , simply don't believe everyone in there plays like you do cause there are those that don't and you can choose to accept it or handle it as leader

Originally Posted by sebo2yoface

Kk I'm sorry but I have to call bs here

All these things you've listed are true only about you hithdraug but I'm damn sure I can at least count 10 in that tribe who don't follow you're way of pvp.

I know for a fact that there are those that camp gv and rezz circles , those that not only pursue and target single people out but also are too afraid to engage that person so instead they call that solo person out every step he/she takes until others map in on them to get that person ganked 5v1.

I'm not saying to exile this people in your tribe , simply don't believe everyone in there plays like you do cause there are those that don't and you can choose to accept it or handle it as leader

I beg to differ. -Haz

Originally Posted by Horrifying

I beg to differ. -Haz

I beg to agree.

A lot of us do not do those things. I do know maybe 4 or 5 of them will do those types of things but that doesnt mean the entire tribe is at fault. Most of us are soloers or run in small groups or duos. Not ONE SINGLE tribe/kin is perfect. And not every warg out there belongs to SWS. Js. -Haz

Originally Posted by Umbrarg

Firstly - we are not, and I repeat NOT, a ganking group. We do not camp res circles, we do not sit outside GV, we will not pursue one target all over the map and ignore all others. Well, except Budhorn, Vinnybaby and Radar of course

Does this mean SWS has a tenet not to gank solos as well?

Originally Posted by Horrifying

A lot of us do not do those things. I do know maybe 4 or 5 of them will do those types of things but that doesnt mean the entire tribe is at fault. Most of us are soloers or run in small groups or duos. Not ONE SINGLE tribe/kin is perfect. And not every warg out there belongs to SWS. Js. -Haz

That's my point though

I'm not saying its the whole tribe just don't act like it doesn't exist in the tribe.

No kin/tribe is perfect I agree

Originally Posted by Mithlindar

Does this mean SWS has a tenet not to gank solos as well?

To put it accurately, we discourage REPEATED ganking of the same solo, generally on a given day. Let me repeat that, so that it's clear to those who think in extremes: we discourage REPEATED ganking. Now, not all of us play by that. If I'm leading, I try to keep to that. If not actually leading a pack but in one, I've been known to make mention of it. We actually had someone leave the tribe over this point. No, not all of us play by that same guideline, but it's there.

Remember, if it's a pack, you may not realize we're giving you that free pass after 3 or 4 encounters. But it is something that happens. And, of course, there are one or two who just have to suffer as much as we can make them suffer.

Now this does NOT apply to an individual in a raid. That's a matter of choosing the squishiest target first, then either moving on to another or getting the hell out of there. Multiple encounters may result in the same freep being chosen. Tactics, plain and simple.

Originally Posted by sebo2yoface

Kk I'm sorry but I have to call bs here

All these things you've listed are true only about you hithdraug but I'm damn sure I can at least count 10 in that tribe who don't follow you're way of pvp.

I know for a fact that there are those that camp gv and rezz circles , those that not only pursue and target single people out but also are too afraid to engage that person so instead they call that solo person out every step he/she takes until others map in on them to get that person ganked 5v1.

I'm not saying to exile this people in your tribe , simply don't believe everyone in there plays like you do cause there are those that don't and you can choose to accept it or handle it as leader

To come up with 10, you must be on 24/7. We've gotten some new additions, but barely a dozen of us are active.

I think it's fair to say that, outside of blatant cheating or exploiting, there really are no iron-clad rules governing PvMP. Yes, SWS has the guidelines Hithy has laid down. He strongly discourages camping GV or rez circles, and with equal strength advocates engaging on sight and fighting it out to the end. What we try to do, ultimately, is keep it respectable (and I confess being guilty of slipping on that point at times). What we don't try to do is dictate how to play. I know what Hithy, as SWS leader, asks and I try to play in accord with that...but I'm not Hithy. Ergo, there's gonna be some variation.

Rez and GV camping? Personally, camping isn't my thing. To be honest, it bores the hell out of me, but there are those who do it. If you see me (alone or with a pack I'm leading) near a rez or GV, it's because I'm passing by. Alone or with a pack, I prefer mobility and to keep the enemy guessing. If I stay in the area too long, y'all are going to pinpoint and send me (and the pack) back to the nearest rez. Now, that's not to say I won't position myself or a pack between a rez and a keep if there's a fight going on in the keep. Now you're getting into tactics, and that's a different equation.

Calling out solos? We all know both sides have advocates and opponents for that. I don't think you can really take one tribe to task for it. I've seen solo creeps called out when I've been logged in on that side. I know nearly all of us in SWS don't call out solos. Myself, about the only time I do is if it's a burg, and that's comparable to letting the troops know there are land mines in the field ahead. No different that freeps calling out solo wargs (do 3 wargs REALLY make a pack on that side?). I can say in all honesty, if you beat me in a 1v1, I won't call you out.

If I choose to engage, I fight it out. If engaged, it can go either way, depends on a number of things happening at once, including how I feel about it at the moment. If you've dropped my health before I can even get to you, I may be more inclined to deny you the easy kill. But I may also say to hell with it and scrap it out till I'm dead. You're going to get your renown off me one way or the other, just as I'm going to get inf from you one way or another.

But that's ME. How anyone else in SWS may choose to play is going to be different. Look to any tribe or kin anywhere else in the game. You're going to see comparable play.

-pup-

Anybody expecting that an entire Tribe/Kin behaves perfect fails to realize there are humans on the other side. Simple as that, what really matters is what behaviors are being projected in the field, and how truth they are to the Tribe/kin's guidelines.

I was just curious about how you guys treated solo players. In all honesty, getting ganked by a WP while solo is one of the most frustrating deaths for me, mainly because there is little to nothing I can do, and that is pretty much what I am here for, to improve myself in many different circumstances.

In the end I don't mind it because I don't lose anything, just retreat and come back to fight again. I do have to say I respect a lot what you advocate in regards to your packs, it is much better than all the nonsense going on around this past months.

Some people has forgotten we are here to have fun.

Originally Posted by sebo2yoface

That's my point though

I'm not saying its the whole tribe just don't act like it doesn't exist in the tribe.

No kin/tribe is perfect I agree

I'm not saying it doesn't exist - I am simply saying it's not what we were founded for, and I am trying to minimise those occurrences.

Feedback from all greatly appreciated. We have a nice tribe here, I like to think everyone is having fun, and if there are any problems please feel free to tell me directly - and I shall do my utmost to fix them.

Thanks again peepsies - have fun out there!

Love & Hugs

Fluffy Hithy

I personally try to follow Hithy's and SWS's guidelines as best I can. I, like others, try to have fun in a fair and respectable way. I run solo about 90% of the time, and occasionally jump in a raid or pack depending on what is happening during gametime. I stay away from camping GV and rez circles even though I may pass by them at times and get a kill, it's never with the intention of staying there and actually camping. I typically don't call out solo's in OOC chat, but I will in Tribe chat to give others info if I cannot the engage the target myself. I don't specifically "hate" target anyone, and I certainly don't chase anyone around the map just to kill them.

I hate it when I get ganked by a raid or group when I'm solo, but it happens - you have to expect it entering the zone. And yes, it is frustrating when you get gray-barred and nuked without getting a single skill off - you just have to laugh it off. I personally don't like to gank solos when grouped, but it does happen. Keep in mind, if you are solo and you do get ganked by a WP (a SWS led one), it's only because we happened to cross paths - we do no target solos.

Sometimes perceptions can be deceiving - if a tribemate calls out for help, yes there may be a some of us pop in to help, and yes that sometimes may end up 5v1. Honestly, I see this happens both ways - especially if those that come to aid in to the fight are from the same Tribe/Kin as the one who called for help. I would wager this happens quite a bit both freep and creep side.

No Tribe/Kin is perfect - everybody can agree on this. I've seen the same activity (Grams/OC and Rez circle camping) by the same freeps on numerous occasions. Does it make those people or Kinships bad? It definately happens both ways.

Anyhow, like Hithy said, provide some feedback so that we as a Tribe can fix some of these issues.

Personally, I'd like to think that I play a fair and respectable gamestyle, if I don't please let me or Hithy know.

Your right there is a core group of 5ish wargs that do everything the SwS tries not to. Now the actions of how it is dealt with is what the people on Landy will notice not the words that only a small percentage of people will see on the forums.

Plus we can't name names in the forums its against the rules or whatever and is a ratty thing to do.

I'm with Hithy and Syd. Feedback is always welcome.

-pup-

Originally Posted by InnerChild77

Plus we can't name names in the forums its against the rules or whatever and is a ratty thing to do.

I see what you did there

I know about 10 people in your tribe. About half are some of the most honorable wargs out there and really seem to try and play by Hithy's tenets.

The other 5 are the exact oppisite. I saw a 5v2 where the wargs engaged got one kill and all ran when one of them died. There was only about 10 on each side during down time, so it certainly wasn't a 'tactical' retreat. I think I remember that chessy stuff more with SWS wargs just because you put this post of here outlining the idea behind your Tribe.

In the end you can't really judge players by their kin/tribe tag just by the individual.

Sorry to necro...

I've been messing around with Fraps, and managed to get some (IMO) pretty awesome footage of tonight's warg pack. It's the first one I've been in that has ever had 12 members at any point! I had a blast, and I hope everyone else did.

I decided to throw together a music video, just for kicks. Sorry, no HD yet... I'm working on that... but hopefully this gives everyone some idea of what the dogs where up to after they were let out!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqJpZPljYyk

Edit: HD is finally up!

Originally Posted by Webby189

In the end you can't really judge players by their kin/tribe tag just by the individual.

..quoted for truth

Originally Posted by dniv14

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqJpZPljYyk

Yeah it was great fun, that's a great video and special thanks for introducing me to that song.

Originally Posted by dniv14

Sorry to necro...

I've been messing around with Fraps, and managed to get some (IMO) pretty awesome footage of tonight's warg pack. It's the first one I've been in that has ever had 12 members at any point! I had a blast, and I hope everyone else did.

I decided to throw together a music video, just for kicks. Sorry, no HD yet... I'm working on that... but hopefully this gives everyone some idea of what the dogs where up to after they were let out!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqJpZPljYyk

Awe I missed the fun -Haz

Originally Posted by dniv14

Sorry to necro...

I've been messing around with Fraps, and managed to get some (IMO) pretty awesome footage of tonight's warg pack. It's the first one I've been in that has ever had 12 members at any point! I had a blast, and I hope everyone else did.

I decided to throw together a music video, just for kicks. Sorry, no HD yet... I'm working on that... but hopefully this gives everyone some idea of what the dogs where up to after they were let out!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqJpZPljYyk

great song

Originally Posted by dniv14

Sorry to necro...

I've been messing around with Fraps, and managed to get some (IMO) pretty awesome footage of tonight's warg pack. It's the first one I've been in that has ever had 12 members at any point! I had a blast, and I hope everyone else did.

I decided to throw together a music video, just for kicks. Sorry, no HD yet... I'm working on that... but hopefully this gives everyone some idea of what the dogs where up to after they were let out!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqJpZPljYyk

Edit: HD is finally up!

I'm glad peeps had fun! I would have joined in the giggles - but unfortunately I had alreay promised to go see a freinds band that night.

It was fun

I will eat you all soon

Love & Hugs

Fluffy Hithy

Plus - from that video - I just have to say you see a group of wargies engaging a much larger group of Freeps. And I bet they all had fun doing it.

Well done Pupp!

SWS will always fight.

Love & Hugs

Fluffy Hithy

LOL at some of the PM's I have recieved and replied to today.

SWS must have a name for itself - peeps - I wasn't even there! I even mentioned that in a previous post!

Good job tribe

We're not, and never will be, TWH - we do a different job - but it certainly looks like you did it well

Carry on SWS, and best of luck to you

Love & Hugs

Fluffy Hithy

Originally Posted by Umbrarg

LOL at some of the PM's I have recieved and replied to today.

SWS must have a name for itself - peeps - I wasn't even there! I even mentioned that in a previous post!

Good job tribe

We're not, and never will be, TWH - we do a different job - but it certainly looks like you did it well

Carry on SWS, and best of luck to you

Love & Hugs

Fluffy Hithy

Well, color me curious...

Awesome video, btw! All told, we had a great time with that pack, despite the naysayers (you know who you are, son). Over the course of 2 1/2 hours, we spent 90% of it in and around the main freep raid. Yes, there were some solos hit (Webby, after that 1st hit, you crossed our path at least 4 more times but we didn't repeat); only one was hit repeatedly (he irked someone real bad previously). But most of the evening was spent disrupting and doing damage where we could against the freep raid. We ate well, but we also took our hits and died, and... WE HAD FUN!

Seriously, people, at the end of the day, this is a game and it's about having fun. There were never any illusions that 12 wargs would wipe a 24+ fraid, but we engaged repeatedly anyway cuz it was fun. When I hit that EXIT button Saturday night, the amount of inf or rating gained/lost didn't matter one bit. What mattered was that I had fun, and the wargs in my pack had fun.

-pup-

Ladies and Gentlemen, Wargs and Food - it is with a hesitant and reluctant heart that I announce this.

The Suicidal Warg Squad is disbanding.

I do not do this lightly - indeed it is with an extremely heavy heart that I even type this. I can do nothing else though, so please kindly accept this as both a reasoning, and an apology.

I simply do not have the time to devote to the tribe as I would wish. I have attempted to juggle things, but it simply does not work. I feel that I have left my tribe members down, and as Leader I find that unacceptable. The tribe will live without me, but should it? I feel it better that SWS members spread around to more active tribes that fit the modern community.

I would like to thank all of you - and I honestly mean every single person that I have ever played with or against - for the fun times and giggles. It's been awesome!

I am not quitting the game. Hithy will still eat you on sight. I'm just not able to support a tribe as I once was.

Please understand.

And SWS members, past or present - remember that you were part of something that shaped and defined the Moors. Awesome job Teach those freeps fear.

Love & Hugs

Fluffy Hithy

Originally Posted by Umbrarg

Ladies and Gentlemen, Wargs and Food - it is with a hesitant and reluctant heart that I announce this.

The Suicidal Warg Squad is disbanding.

I do not do this lightly - indeed it is with an extremely heavy heart that I even type this. I can do nothing else though, so please kindly accept this as both a reasoning, and an apology.

I simply do not have the time to devote to the tribe as I would wish. I have attempted to juggle things, but it simply does not work. I feel that I have left my tribe members down, and as Leader I find that unacceptable. The tribe will live without me, but should it? I feel it better that SWS members spread around to more active tribes that fit the modern community.

I would like to thank all of you - and I honestly mean every single person that I have ever played with or against - for the fun times and giggles. It's been awesome!

I am not quitting the game. Hithy will still eat you on sight. I'm just not able to support a tribe as I once was.

Please understand.

And SWS members, past or present - remember that you were part of something that shaped and defined the Moors. Awesome job Teach those freeps fear.

Love & Hugs

Fluffy Hithy

its ok ...landy pvp sucks anyway.


lets be honest, not only does it suck but its dying faster and faster. most days i dont even logg in and rather just watch tv

Have no regrets Hithy, sometimes real life events and responsibilities take more attention. You did a great job leading the tribe. It's always a good thing to hear from the food wondering where and what happened to SWS, that is the ultimate compliment from the other side - even though they hated us with a passion!

Honestly, some of the best times in game for me were Fluffy Death and your comical comments, always had me cracking up. Yes, the tribe will be missed but the friendships will always remain. Don't hesitate to look me up out there, and I'll do the same with you.

Syd

I'm very sorry to hear this; I've enjoyed being in SWS, and the best of luck to all its members.

*sad puppy...*

SWS will always hold a special place in my black wargie heart. It was my first home on Landy, and in it I went from lost warg puppy to oft-hated warg pack leader. Fluffy Death was always a blast. We may not have always won the fights, but we always laughed all the way. And yeah, it was the friendships that made SWS so much fun.

The friendships will remain, and the laughs are still out there somewhere. But it won't be the same.

Hithy - thanks for giving us all a chance to be a part of something that won't soon be forgotten! See ya out there!

One last SWS: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRR RRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! !!!!!

-Pup-

*mournful howl*

I've been there myself, Hithy--long time back disbanded a kinship on Vilya when we just couldn't put the time in anymore for it, and I still feel bad about it. Thanks for all you did for SWS--that's how I learned warging!

And Nyyx--go cry in your beer elsewhere.

Originally Posted by Umbrarg

Ladies and Gentlemen, Wargs and Food - it is with a hesitant and reluctant heart that I announce this.

The Suicidal Warg Squad is disbanding.

I do not do this lightly - indeed it is with an extremely heavy heart that I even type this. I can do nothing else though, so please kindly accept this as both a reasoning, and an apology.

I simply do not have the time to devote to the tribe as I would wish. I have attempted to juggle things, but it simply does not work. I feel that I have left my tribe members down, and as Leader I find that unacceptable. The tribe will live without me, but should it? I feel it better that SWS members spread around to more active tribes that fit the modern community.

I would like to thank all of you - and I honestly mean every single person that I have ever played with or against - for the fun times and giggles. It's been awesome!

I am not quitting the game. Hithy will still eat you on sight. I'm just not able to support a tribe as I once was.

Please understand.

And SWS members, past or present - remember that you were part of something that shaped and defined the Moors. Awesome job Teach those freeps fear.

Love & Hugs

Fluffy Hithy

I haven't been around on my warg much but I will miss SWS a lot. It was always fun running around the Moors with you guys. ;-; -Haz

Kinship/tribes are just a means to communicate via a chat and organizing groups with a tab, nothing else, the rest is some sort of useless pride. The shape of every individual member is always different, and that will remain on each one of you.

It makes no difference in gameplay, but I agree that it is painful to disband, but you had the heart to do it, so props on that.

Hope you continue to have fun where others have not.

*throws a saddle at Hithy's feet*

It's time to unleash... HITHSARS!

Sorry to hear that, Hithy... I'll miss seeing the SWS tribe tag out there. But as long as the friendships remain intact, sealed with bonds of spilled freep blood, then I have to say that the Squad has done its job well.

*salute*

Oh the friendships will always remain I can honestly promise you that!

Now I am relieved of the burden of leadership - and I don't have to worry about letting tribemates down by not playing for ages at a time. I did my best, hell - EVERYONE did their best! It was an absolute blast! I bet every single freep on Landroval who has played in the Moors in the last few years will have something to say about SWS.

My old friend Deadfang once told me that warg-only Tribes don't last long. It does seem to be the case - we take perhaps undue causticity from our opponents, and over the years this does seem to hold true. SWS had a couple of good years, reached a peak, and then trickled off. I see nothing wrong with that - it seems to be fairly typical. My own inability to spend more time leading the tribe undoubtedly contributed to that, so yeah - my fault.

The ex-SWS wargs will be looking for new homes. They will, I am sure, make a positive and welcome to any tribe I can personally vouch for any and all of them - some of the best peeps you could ever hope to play with!

As for myself - I think I'll just solo it for a bit and see if any tribe will drag me in. I am particularly interested in a combined project involving Wyver, Sars, a bucket of Nutella and Jadewyn- just so you know.

Love & Hugs

Fluffy Hithy

I call shotgun!