Thread: Share the Power

I have not seen any thread addressing this topic, so please direct me if there is one.
As many of us have noticed since U5, Share the Power is not working on healing classes: RK, Minis, Capts.
This is a significant impediment. Any information?

It works on all classes and pets just as it always has, but you're right that there is a problem - it doesn't always work.

Sometimes it just takes a moment for your target's power bar to reflect that you've passed.

But... sometimes, it just doesn't work. For whatever reason... you do the animation and you pay the power cost but the target doesn't get any power.

I'd like to hear if anyone else has been experiencing this as well.

I've noticed this while running the isenguard three mans with a minni.

I've noticed it too. It may be the old Resistance Rating bug again.

I'm glad you brought this up. I saw it too, but thought I was misclicking. Share the power seems to work on all classes, but sometimes it fails and you have to do it again. And sometimes, there's a delay, so I end up sharing power twice to the same person. I'll be sure to /bug it next time it happens.

It always works with me. I hope I don't start experiencing any problems.

I'm not sure this is new since U5. I've noticed power not being restored before, but since update 5 I've doled out a lot more power in instances so it's more noticable (2-3 hits needed to hit a mini with power, and a few of them just miss). This skill shouldn't have a resistance check, and it sounds like it might have one.

Have any of you tested this one to one with any of the mentioned classes, say 100 times in a row or something (versus just in instances, anecdotally)? That would be helpful data to add.

Indeed. It happens at least often enough that it becomes risky to try it at all. My testing has been very limited. But refilling hunters, champs, and guards has never seemed problematic - while refilling the minis, rks, and captains seems to not work. Maybe I've just had weird chances with it. I never assume a delay because the person might have just used a pot (they were getting low on power, after all). I agree about the need for more testing!

Are you sure you are not giving them power? I mean those classes have such large power pools that a share from a LM is not even 10% of there total power pool, a guard or hunter well it is 50% so is easier for us to see that we been successful.

I did notice there is always a delay in sharing to RK, i have no idea why that is but it has been there for as long as i can remember.

Think we need to be able to share a larger quantity of power to those classes, perhaps have it done that we share a percentage of your total power pool as opposed to how it is done atm. But i guess that would make our battery sharing too easy

[QUOTE=Alydariel;5899622]Are you sure you are not giving them power? /QUOTE]

At least for me, I've seen this bug/delay on champs with about 1k power, so it's very easy to see whether they're getting power or not (why some people have only 1k power is another issue!).

Originally Posted by anteku

At least for me, I've seen this bug/delay on champs with about 1k power, so it's very easy to see whether they're getting power or not (why some people have only 1k power is another issue!).

Me too, sometimes it just doesn't pass regardless of the class you're passing to.

I have found that it some times does not work. Not just recently but always, that it sometimes does not work.
I always wondered if the receiver is under conditions where a power-offer is simply not in the cards.
Like, is it effected but the amount of "in-coming healing" ratings? I know it's not a heal, but is there a relationship? Or if the receiver is in a skill pattern that can not be interupted because a power effect is...already in effect? Also there must be times when it's a coincidence that we are feeding power just as they are using a big power drain skill. And as well, could be lately there are more "glass cannons" out there with very high Will so they have a big power pool but too low Fate so they struggle to maintain that power, going instead with Vitality because the higher Morale line looks better.
Not very technical I know, but I always assumed other variables were at work when it fails.

Are you checking the combat log when it misses? I have noticed a delay at times but if it is on other caster classes I think it is more likely that you just aren't seeing a huge amount of movement on the power bar because they have a huge power pool. Sharing 1000 power with someone with 8k power doesn't look as impressive as someone with 2500 when you are only looking at blue bars. If there is really a bug then make sure you are checking your combat logs when you see this problem happen to confirm that no power has been shared and take a screen shot for the bug report.

Originally Posted by Cladariel

Are you checking the combat log when it misses? I have noticed a delay at times but if it is on other caster classes I think it is more likely that you just aren't seeing a huge amount of movement on the power bar because they have a huge power pool. Sharing 1000 power with someone with 8k power doesn't look as impressive as someone with 2500 when you are only looking at blue bars. If there is really a bug then make sure you are checking your combat logs when you see this problem happen to confirm that no power has been shared and take a screen shot for the bug report.

Indeed this was my point as well, The times when i thought i had not given any power to a minstrel due to a bug was on further investigation because i had given them about 700 power! Each time i have believed that my skill did not fire was due to the small amount of power i had actually shared and at no time did i see a bug. luckily though those small power shares don't happen very often, and i am not sure why they happen perhaps that is a bug? But a screen shot of a power share skill missing would clear this up once and for all.

I've noticed the same as many LMs here, but always thought it was due to a unlucky low share to a class with a big power pool, as Alydariel mentioned above. Agreed on needing to investigate this further with the combat log.

I haven't really done any testing, but seems to me that its happening (on all classes) if your induction ends and the "power passes" just when the target uses a skill that costs power.

Originally Posted by Alydariel

Are you sure you are not giving them power? I mean those classes have such large power pools that a share from a LM is not even 10% of there total power pool, a guard or hunter well it is 50% so is easier for us to see that we been successful.

I paid closer attention in the runs over the last few days, and yeah I definitely saw no power/#s in the combat log at all, but my own power was down for sure, and the skill activated. It happened only on minstrels for me, that I've seen so far. I *DO* queue skills quite often, so if the above is the reason, perhaps it's the people who are queuing another skill after share the power and there's a bug with power transfer when another skill follows right away?

(Also not enjoying the 2-3 second lag after Wisdom is hit; I have died to this a few times now).

Originally Posted by rhegan

I paid closer attention in the runs over the last few days, and yeah I definitely saw no power/#s in the combat log at all, but my own power was down for sure, and the skill activated. It happened only on minstrels for me, that I've seen so far. I *DO* queue skills quite often, so if the above is the reason, perhaps it's the people who are queuing another skill after share the power and there's a bug with power transfer when another skill follows right away?

Seems like thats whats going on to me. Combat log shows that I "applied a benefit" but no number/amount of power.

Happens most noticeably with minis and it doesn't come as a surprise since they're always firing off buffs/heals.

Really sucks when it happens, its a costly skill.

Originally Posted by k3nn3th

Combat log shows that I "applied a benefit" but no number/amount of power.

Yep, this. And yeah it makes sense since the minstrels are themselves always in an induction and have skills firing fast. I wonder if the same is happening with morale/healing ever, or if it's a specific bug. It's also only happened in raids (Orthanc specifically, but I have not run much else since launch that requires power sharing a lot), but I don't remember if it was something I only saw cross-fellowship or not. I guess I need to screenshot, log and /bug it. I'm glad I wasn't hallucinating thousands of power disappearing into thin air every other fight

This is still happening for me. It's kind of random, but there's one mini I raid with regularly that it always seems to miss on and another whom it seems to apply properly to. It also happens to an RK I play with frequently, and seems to be more of an issue when if I'm not in their fellowship in the raid. For everyone else it's fine. I'm not watching the bar, but the numbers. I check the mini's number, say 5000/9000 and I share power. It will still say 5000/9000. Sometimes it appears to be lag, sometimes it just doesn't work. When I see a nice chunk of power restored to one mini and not another, I have to think bug and not just their skills being used. I'm restoring power as they're both healing so the numbers should be somewhat consistent. Are other LMs still seeing this?

Originally Posted by Daragh

Are other LMs still seeing this?

Yes, still. The better the RK/mini (i.e. the more skills they're pressing very quickly) the more it happens. I've seen it on a guard a couple of times too (same guard), when in raid. Bleh. I wish they'd acknowledge it at least?

I get this as well, it's been most noticeable to me in foundry in the last fight. In my experience i don't know if it affects all classes but certainly i get this in the isen instances. It's probably more nociceable here in foundry because it's a long fight but i've had multiple requests from mini's for power only for it not to appear, on the second hit it always seem to work. Of course you all know power share is a power hog, so i dunno. There is definitely a problem with it.

You all know how it works, you have to manage your own power before you contemplate managing anyone elses and this bug screws it up some.

As many noted I have been seeing the same things - most especially with the Minies.

1. Feed power and the bar does not move at all. At first I thought they might have a large power pool and just not noticeable.

2. Delayed power - The power does arrive to them but takes 1 - 2 secs to post.

3. Some issues with RKs, but not as severe.

4. Guards - Champs - Burgs - no issues, the blue bar jumps big time.

I know some classes have excellent incoming heals, where as I do not. Anyone know how the Minies are generically speaking with regards to they incoming healing numbers? Could that be making a difference?

Originally Posted by Tatuaje

I know some classes have excellent incoming heals, where as I do not. Anyone know how the Minies are generically speaking with regards to they incoming healing numbers? Could that be making a difference?

Incoming healing doesn't affect numbers received from share the power. Well, I'm at least 99% sure it doesn't get affected by incoming healing, I could be wrong. Mini's usually don't have much of a bonus to incoming healing generally speaking though.

I have been having the exact same issue I think *think* I know why. But I need to go and test this. When you're healing a tank it should usually be targeting a mob (I hope ). When I heal a mini it is usually targeting an ally. I think perhaps that skill target forwarding might be sending the power to the mini's target? It might sound silly and I'm probably very wrong but I need to test this out.

Originally Posted by shadow21

Incoming healing doesn't affect numbers received from share the power. Well, I'm at least 99% sure it doesn't get affected by incoming healing, I could be wrong. Mini's usually don't have much of a bonus to incoming healing generally speaking though.

As our Share the power is considered healing, common sense would say that it should be effected by the recieving person's incoming healing factor. But then again, we are talking aboutTurbine here. For all I know it may have an adverse affect....

@Bregyn Intresting thought there, if the Minie is healing and we hit the Minie with power it is forwarded to the 3rd party. I am looking forward to your observations.

Originally Posted by Bregyn

I have been having the exact same issue I think *think* I know why. But I need to go and test this. When you're healing a tank it should usually be targeting a mob (I hope ). When I heal a mini it is usually targeting an ally. I think perhaps that skill target forwarding might be sending the power to the mini's target? It might sound silly and I'm probably very wrong but I need to test this out.

Interesting idea and definitely worth testing.

There might be several problems all happening that can manifest as the same empirical observation. Let me consolidate the hypotheses that have already been offered.

1. Target skill forwarding
2. Power heal is the same as power use (i.e. I share 1000 power at the same time the mini uses 1000 power)
3. There is a timing issue, such that the share bugs when one script is fired before another. One specific possibility is that power share bugs when the other player is in a long induction.
4. We do an extra FM during phase 3 ... oh wait, wrong thread.

Of these, I'm inclined to think that the other player's induction is a possible culprit. That might explain why one mini bugs more often than another mini (one player tends to use more inductions than another), and why the bug happens so randomly.

I think target skill forwarding is a great idea, but I'm unsure about it because I don't have it enabled. But, it's definitely worth investigating.

Also, does anyone ever have problems with a double-share, where you click share once, but have it fire twice on the same person? I can't figure out if that's me just double-clicking by accident or something more commonplace.

Tried to reproduce this with a minstrel in a fight with a training dummy but could not get it to fail to transfer power. We tried timing the power transfer during different times like while minstrel was inducting, moving, not casting... could not get it to happen.

When it comes to correcting something like this, without a step-by-step method to duplicate the issue, it will be very difficult to verify, and impossible to test any sort of fix. It's a ghost in the machine.

Maybe test it in a skirmish with more than just 2 people.

While it may seem like incoming heals should affect power share, like our tactical mastery affects the outgoing effect, I don't think I've ever seen a power share outside the bounds of what's listed on the tooltip, and therefore I do not believe it is affected by incoming healing on the target. I need to test this more to be sure, however. Also, our power shares can't crit, so they don't act like normal heals in every manner.

I really doubt it's a skill target forwarding issue, because it doesn't happen every time that a player is targeting another player. And while minstrel's do have some power sucking skills, none of them come close to 1000 power, so I think the option of a coincidence of using a skill with that amount just as the player is receiving power can be thrown out as well.

If we rule out those options that leaves us with something wonky happening during skill execution during the time the player is receiving power. Can you be too busy to receive power? If you execute a skill that roots you and the instant the skill goes off you receive power, does the power then vanish? Obviously this is not a simple issue to fix, whatever the problem. Hopefully the devs, with help from the player base, can pinpoint the issue here and get things working the way they should.

Ok, ran lightning wing yesterday morning..... what a marathon it was, but that is another thread.

Traited CC for mobs, no issues. Got to the boss and traited red. Fights sucking for a few different reasons. As the sole LM I was "trying" to pass a ton of power. I hit one Minie 3 times back to back before their blue bar moved. Possibly they were spending is as fast as I was sending, but if so that was sucking hard. Spent the tps and bought the Bard token from the store and traited the "Healer" trait in place of one of my red traits. Possibly antidotal but the power passing seemed to be better.

I am not sure where the power was going but at least 2/5 to 3/5ths of my power passes to healers seemed to "disappear". No issues at all passing power to tanks and some DPS types. I had the combat log on but the power passes are about gone by the end of the battle.

My best guess:
1. Either the power is passing though to the other player (I doubt)
2. Or the Minie is burning it faster than it can register.
3. RKs do not seem to give me issues. I so prefer RK healing to Minies.... Il take a good RK over a good Minie, but a bad Minie over a bad RK.

Lol.

Just because all you share power to is mini's doesn't mean thats the only class this share the power bug happens to.

Sent Sapience a PM about this weeks ago. My response was that our best chance of getting anything done about it is to /bug every time it happens.

I have also run into this problem on several occasions, most noticeably in Foundry. Clicking share the power 2-4 times before it transfers to the target is not only a drain on power, but wastes time when other skills could be used. It does seem to happen predominantly, although not exclusively, on minstrels...

Skill forwarding is not enabled on my LM, so that does not appear to be the cause of the skill misbehaving.

I agree that it needs to be reported, but bugging something in the middle of an instance/raid is somewhat impractical.

Still happening with share power, though I've noticed that the 'missing' heals from my mini seem to have gone away since Isengard's release.

Leaves me scratching my head - lag perhaps, on either player's side? Even a combination of the two? You do find yourself doubleclicking just to make sure. Not sure whether we just tend to prioritise minis for share power in instances/raids and that's why it seems to happen more with them?

Ran Sarumon last night.... I have no idea where the power is going but keeping a Minie in power is killing me in the power dept. All the classes can brag about how they are keeping themselves in power but that is a joke. I hit one Minie at least 3 times with better than 1K each before their bar moved. The DPS classes do not seem to be the issue. I can only hope (or maybe not) they are using the power as fast as I am feeding it and that it is not just disappearing.

On the other hand, I am not about to try and /bug the power in the middle of a raid. It may be the right place but definitely not the right time.

I've been trying to spot this bug, but lately, all I see is that it may take about 1-2 seconds for the power to hit their bar. And for a lot of minis, the bar hardly moves because they have a large power pool and are draining it so rapidly. This is usually in big fights and there is so much going on that it's impossible to spot in the combat log. I suppose it might help to download the log, but I never remember to enable it.

I think mini's are high on the list mainly because we share power with them so often. I suspect that a quarter of the time it happens, it's a true bug and the rest of the time it's mainly due to lag or the fact that the power is instantly consumed.

Originally Posted by anteku

I've been trying to spot this bug, but lately, all I see is that it may take about 1-2 seconds for the power to hit their bar. And for a lot of minis, the bar hardly moves because they have a large power pool and are draining it so rapidly. This is usually in big fights and there is so much going on that it's impossible to spot in the combat log. I suppose it might help to download the log, but I never remember to enable it.

I think mini's are high on the list mainly because we share power with them so often. I suspect that a quarter of the time it happens, it's a true bug and the rest of the time it's mainly due to lag or the fact that the power is instantly consumed.

After several people have also mentioned the delay - I pause before the second or third shot. As the sole LM last night I did not want to needlessly over extend my out going power. The bar just was not moving. I have tried to view the combat log in game, but too much combat spam sends it away. I am going to try and save it off tonight. I have a few Minies that are willing to work with me.

It may be a non issue, but it is bugging me...... Hopefully I can spot something tonight.

Originally Posted by Tatuaje

After several people have also mentioned the delay - I pause before the second or third shot. As the sole LM last night I did not want to needlessly over extend my out going power. The bar just was not moving. I have tried to view the combat log in game, but too much combat spam sends it away. I am going to try and save it off tonight. I have a few Minies that are willing to work with me.

It may be a non issue, but it is bugging me...... Hopefully I can spot something tonight.

I've had logs which have registered the skill being used on the mini, but then give no specified amount of power given. Not had opportunity to work with an LM sharing with my mini to see what it looks like from that side.