Thread: Exploiting the pillar

We melee cant get to them, so our one or two blackarrows can only get to them. This isnt the first time, and knowing them also not the last. Please do something about it, its purely exploiting. Thank you for watching

woop bannable exploits, lovely stuff aint it!

yes i was up there 1 time tonight, but since i m a melle class i don t know how i could exploit. Was just trying to have some fun. The BAs killed me in like 30 seconds

Originally Posted by TheKid111

yes i was up there 1 time tonight, but since i m a melle class i don t know how i could exploit. Was just trying to have some fun. The BAs killed me in like 30 seconds

If creeps cant get up there,it is an exploit.... CM atleast banned such Ppl.... Turbine probably will not care....


Anyway... Thread gets deleted as soon as the Forum Monsters catch it,since its against Rules to call out on Forums...

Originally Posted by Cillion

If creeps cant get up there,it is an exploit.... CM atleast banned such Ppl.... Turbine probably will not care....


Anyway... Thread gets deleted as soon as the Forum Monsters catch it,since its against Rules to call out on Forums...

Cillion when you were in II i v never heard you complain about the hunters in your kin who were exploiting and still do it every day in moors. I also seen your hunter friend from myrmidons exploiting in moors even when you were around and still it was ok.

But when i do it 1 time, as a melee class, of course it is the most heinous crime you v ever seen and it is your civic duty to call for the ban of such people.

If it s a bannable offence i would gladly take my punishment since it was my own fault for being up there

Originally Posted by TheKid111

Cillion when you were in II i v never heard you complain about the hunters in your kin who were exploiting and still do it every day in moors. I also seen your hunter friend from myrmidons exploiting in moors even when you were around and still it was ok.

But when i do it 1 time, as a melee class, of course it is the most heinous crime you v ever seen and it is your civic duty to call for the ban of such people.

If it s a bannable offence i would gladly take my punishment since it was my own fault for being up there

Did i mention your Name ? The world isnt just you Kid...


Glob is there aswell,and fyi i said many times that beeing on a certain Rock where creeps w/o sprint can get on to,is an exploit... even if it where our Kin hunters,or my Myrmidone Friend..


I just answered to your Post cause u said its no exploit,while it clearly is... do i care ? no not rly,since turbine wont ban anyone for that.... wasnt me who made this thread after all...

This is a 'grey' exploit. Just like TR wall, ranged classes got a short ban, melee's didn't because we couldn't do anything with it.

Also burgs use this as i have seen before, kelso told me he was using it on burg few times for pew pew.

Originally Posted by zrinko

Also burgs use this as i have seen before, kelso told me he was using it on burg few times for pew pew.

hahaha, yeah sure...burgs have pewpew?....you are too funny...I love you

Thanks to both creeps and freeps for some fun fights tonight, sadly though we had to report several freeps again since they were exploiting the pillars at South TA/West TA bridges. i.e standing in a position high up, which is only reachable using a horse and which creep players cannot reach.

Other than that, thanks for good fun and lots of laughter.

Inb4poopstorm

The funniest 1 I heard tonight was that freeps were asking for more freep because there was 30 creeps, weirdly we had the Out Number buff at the time

Originally Posted by Phakdush

The funniest 1 I heard tonight was that freeps were asking for more freep because there was 30 creeps, weirdly we had the Out Number buff at the time

Hmm, nothing has changed i guess. No point in dusting off my defiler (yet)

Let's get real, the fights were fun. Perhaps some questionable tactics were used and for that I apologise. Didn't personally use them since I'm a melee class but for many of us there not from the usual Moors kins it was our second time out hence unaware of it being considered an exploit albeit a grey one.

Maybe the maths was a little off but you guys did seem like 30 I can say we did not have a full raid at any point. Think we peaked around 21 and yes there were some Myrmidons and others around who were not part of Z's raid. You guys (creeps) kicked our butts well and good and we did the same enough times before the bridge debacle for it to be a great night of fun.

I have great respect for both Phakdush and Shakuru as well as for Zrinko despite what many of you think and say. The drama is funny in it's own right and nothing said from either side will change my opinion having spoken to and taken part in both sides.

Looking forward to more fights in the future.

Originally Posted by Cebra

Let's get real, the fights were fun. Perhaps some questionable tactics were used and for that I apologise. Didn't personally use them since I'm a melee class but for many of us there not from the usual Moors kins it was our second time out hence unaware of it being considered an exploit albeit a grey one.

Maybe the maths was a little off but you guys did seem like 30 I can say we did not have a full raid at any point. Think we peaked around 21 and yes there were some Myrmidons and others around who were not part of Z's raid. You guys (creeps) kicked our butts well and good and we did the same enough times before the bridge debacle for it to be a great night of fun.

I have great respect for both Phakdush and Shakuru as well as for Zrinko despite what many of you think and say. The drama is funny in it's own right and nothing said from either side will change my opinion having spoken to and taken part in both sides.

Looking forward to more fights in the future.

Without a doubt we had some good fights, it was fun and it was chaotic; it was war.

It was not the choice of tactics that infuriated the creep players, it was the use of an exploit. In other words, standing on top of the pillars at South TA or West TA bridges are considered exploits since they give an unfair advantage to free peoples because the are not accessible without the use of horses.

And here is Turbine's official clause in the ToS:

You will not exploit, distribute or publicly communicate any Game error, miscue or bug which gives an unintended advantage within the Game world

Why would u call it an exploit?

In order to get there freep need to use his horse. What is horse? Its a animated speed buff, isn`t it? So lets digg into this:

a) wargs do have a speed buff, aren`t they?
b) reavers do have a speed buff, aren`t they?
c) with new Marsh skill all creeps have some sort of speed buff, aren`t they?
d) BA dont need to get there to hit a freep;
e) spider dont need to get there to hit a freep;
f) even defiler and wl can hit a freep with some of their skills (not that effectively, but still).

so... what exactly is the problem?

Are they able to get up there using their speed buff? Somehow I dont think so.

Should be same mechanics imo

Hey, my thread is still alive!

Also guess what, its not. Freeps can get up there, creeps cannot. Thats why every day there are people up there.

Spiders have no dps worth mentioning

Warleaders have no dps worth mentioning

Defilers have no dps worth mentioning

if a blackarrow fires at you, you can simply go round the corner. That is the problem.

You're immune to 5 classes while up there if you're not stupid. Roots, stuns and dazes can be potted and if you get attacked, run around the corner and you're safe.

Originally Posted by Ileri

Why would u call it an exploit?

In order to get there freep need to use his horse. What is horse? Its a animated speed buff, isn`t it? So lets digg into this:

a) wargs do have a speed buff, aren`t they?
b) reavers do have a speed buff, aren`t they?
c) with new Marsh skill all creeps have some sort of speed buff, aren`t they?
d) BA dont need to get there to hit a freep;
e) spider dont need to get there to hit a freep;
f) even defiler and wl can hit a freep with some of their skills (not that effectively, but still).

so... what exactly is the problem?

This is not actually the case, horses can jump higher than a sprinting warg, or reaver, regardless of the amount of speed, so in actual fact, the horse is NOT an animated speed buff, it is a speed buff that increases jump height.

So, either turbine have to block off the pillars, or give sprinting wargs / reavers extra jump height.

Creep out-of-combat with March! and purchased 10% out-of-combat speed = 135% run speed ouf of combat (100% in combat)

Freep in-combat on meta-deed horse plus purchased 20% mount-speed = 188% run speed in, or out, of combat.

Originally Posted by Ileri

Why would u call it an exploit?

In order to get there freep need to use his horse. What is horse? Its a animated speed buff, isn`t it? So lets digg into this:

a) wargs do have a speed buff, aren`t they?
b) reavers do have a speed buff, aren`t they?
c) with new Marsh skill all creeps have some sort of speed buff, aren`t they?
d) BA dont need to get there to hit a freep;
e) spider dont need to get there to hit a freep;
f) even defiler and wl can hit a freep with some of their skills (not that effectively, but still).

so... what exactly is the problem?

The problem is we cant get up to the pillar, is it really that hard of a concept to grasp? I know freeps like all the advantages they can get, we get it, godmode isnt easy enough as it is. That said, let everyone get a speed buff to get up there.

Let the BA's sit up there and range, wont be any problem for you right?

Btw only VIP's can use DP, so we are definitely not the only p2w side (why would someone pay for a game like this, I have no idea...)

Iirc then under CM it was an exploit if not everyone could get there aswell.. there are some rocks all around the map where ppl had spars xD they got banned cause without charge/horse u couldnt get there,and ppl wrote tickets...


I never heard anything about this Pillar before tho,so i guess its either completely ok/no one used it,OR its a new *Feature*

Originally Posted by Chiolas

Btw only VIP's can use DP, so we are definitely not the only p2w side (why would someone pay for a game like this, I have no idea...)

It used to be worth the 150 euro for lifetime back at release, now I can leech freely

Originally Posted by Thorgrum

Let the BA's sit up there and range, wont be any problem for you right?

tbh I would not mind any side to use anykind of terrain features to their advantage. I would not also mind creeps geting further buffs and so on...

No offence, but imo if such things exist on the map (meaning they are built into game terrain) they can be used. But if you guys/girls can enlight me and give a link to the rules saying that such terrain usage is prohibited, I would be gratefull to you.

You will not exploit, distribute or publicly communicate any Game error, miscue or bug which gives an unintended advantage within the Game world.

Terms and Conditions, you should read it someday.

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However, its a pretty general one and I`m still not fully convinced, that this rule is applicable here, as it gives some advantage to very few freep classes (not all) over some creep clases (not all).

I guess we need someone from devs to comment on this particular subject, otherwise we can argue till the rest of our days...

Originally Posted by Ileri

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However, its a pretty general one and I`m still not fully convinced, that this rule is applicable here, as it gives some advantage to very few freep classes (not all) over some creep clases (not all).

I guess we need someone from devs to comment on this particular subject, otherwise we can argue till the rest of our days...

Even though its obvious that your gaining an unfair advantage and you have only been able to get up there since Update 5 and Turbine did not annouce in the update note that that part of the enviroment was a new feature.

Blind ignorance in my opinion, proves that some freeps are so apathetic towards the community as a whole and only play in the moors to grief others.

Originally Posted by Ileri

tbh I would not mind any side to use anykind of terrain features to their advantage. I would not also mind creeps geting further buffs and so on...

No offence, but imo if such things exist on the map (meaning they are built into game terrain) they can be used. But if you guys/girls can enlight me and give a link to the rules saying that such terrain usage is prohibited, I would be gratefull to you.

It’s clearly not prohibited, if it were it would not be used. Prohibited meaning to forbid the action….. It’s being used so not sure what your point is deflection maybe?

You and I are closer in position than most, yes terrain advantages should be used and should be encouraged. My point is, creeps can’t get up there, freeps can that’s inequitable and speaks to a larger issue of balance in the moors.

Let us up there too, and you likely won’t see any more griping about this particular imbalance in the game. If they won’t let us up there (they haven’t yet) then they should prevent freeps from having this advantage.

It’s really not more complex than that.

Originally Posted by Phakdush

Blind ignorance in my opinion, proves that some freeps are so apathetic towards the community as a whole and only play in the moors to grief others.

I'm begining to suspect this as well on a broader scale not just this issue, which I think is a product of a game that has its primary dedication to the PvE build. The moors is an additional thing to do when you’re a 75 freep and have done your raids (I know got a 75 freep or two). I don’t necessarily blame the player on the other side of the screen, the saddest part is we all know it’s unbalanced. Freeps know, creeps know, turbine knows and very few people care. That apathy is in part what is eating away the moors, it’s accelerated since ROI though.

Originally Posted by Phakdush

Blind ignorance in my opinion, proves that some freeps are so apathetic towards the community as a whole and only play in the moors to grief others.

Are you trying to insult me, mr.Phakdush? hmm, your choice ofc.

I was just trying to clearify two things here basically:
1) thought since new speed buffs creeps should of been able to get same spots freeps can (I dont play creep much, so do not know every aspect respectively). As explained - they cant due to jump mechanics. Subject clear, ty everyone trying to explain/comment it nicely.
2) are these spots officially prohibited? As it seems - not atm - more-or-less every individual`s choice. Ty everyone trying to explain/comment it nicely.

Originally Posted by Ileri

Are you trying to insult me, mr.Phakdush? hmm, your choice ofc.

I was just trying to clearify two things here basically:
1) thought since new speed buffs creeps should of been able to get same spots freeps can (I dont play creep much, so do not know every aspect respectively). As explained - they cant due to jump mechanics. Subject clear, ty everyone trying to explain/comment it nicely.
2) are these spots officially prohibited? As it seems - not atm - more-or-less every individual`s choice. Ty everyone trying to explain/comment it nicely.

I'm at least calling you apathetic, if you consider someone stating an opinion of the way you are treating this as an insult then is there any point continuing this discussion? I will at least put my perspective on this in a way you can hopefully understand.

Lets consider a certain part of the terrain that was not accessible before a certain update, that now is accessible due to a freak of game mechanics, but only to one faction.

There was also nothing announced in the release notes of said update that as a new feature you can get onto the taller Pillars on the bridges and shot down on the enemy, and if there was, wouldn't access to that part of the environment be by a ladder or ramp, not by jumping on a super fast horse, as long as you got this type of speed boost.

After you consider this, logically it should be obvious that this is an unintended bug. One that if used, should come under exploit to gain an unfair advantage, which as I believe is a breach of the Terms and conditions you agreed to when you installed the game.

Originally Posted by Phakdush

I'm at least calling you apathetic...

Well, dont know if noticed - I`m not calling you or anybody else on this thread any name... so ye, I find your words and tone it is adressed insulting.

Also, dont know if noticed - I`m not saying that using this advantage feature is right thing to do. All I`m saying I don`t see its being completely wrong thing to do either (not under current restriction rules isn`t it?) - at least under certain situations (I personally been there twice - firstly just to test what it is about and lay down few shots; secondly saving myself from warg pack roaming around that bridge).

Will I use it further? Dont think so...

I dont see any real big practical use of the pillar in a regular fight (ye, u lay down few shots => target breaches distance => then what? you cant chase, as jumping down gives nothing as you break your legs...). So other then saving yourself from warg zerg or scouting surroundings/going afk from save spot, I do not see much value of it.

So you don't see fleeing into a location that is only accessible to one faction and then only using a mount being an exploit?

As for you not seeing the big picture... Drop a few hunters on the pillar and you can take creeps down without any real effort while they can't do anything to you. So it is a tactically brilliant spot, it is however still an exploit. Personally i cannot see which part of ToS is unclear on this part, it's an unfair advantage since it's only available to one faction hence it's an exploit.

ok, Fralin, with you I will agree. Lets consider this an exploit... I`m just a bad girl

Originally Posted by Ileri

... I`m just a bad girl

Noway! I can't believe it...all my dreams are now ruined!

But to the topic: I'm glad that someone spoke about pillar-issue not just from plain creep or freep point of view, but from general overview of the matter. Simple, but true...well said Fralin. I mashed that rep-up button, no idea if it does something tho...

Originally Posted by Kagain

Noway! I can't believe it...all my dreams are now ruined!

Which dreams?!

As to the pillar - yesterday just proved the ineffectiveness of that thing once again imo: saw few freeps jumped up there, but as soon as creep raid appeared it took just few seconds for those guys to be smashed out of there...

I guess since real action seems to return on Withy, issue with the pillars will become less and less actual untill its natural death.

Originally Posted by Ileri

Which dreams?!

Errr its nothing special really, just thought you be a good boy, that's all!

... issue with the pillars will become less and less actual until its natural death.

Was hoping for same thing, but today seen there a LM, doing all the CC's from up above...looked like a policeman on a intersection with faulty trafic-lights, coordinating the traffic [of creeps]. Felt quite funny at first, until 2 hunters joined the LM and it became same old story again.

It appears that nearly every new person that gets to the moors just can't resist the urge to climb up there and try the famous pillar thing. Must be new trend here. Or maybe they are just doing what leader tells 'em...

Originally Posted by Kagain

Errr its nothing special really, just thought you be a good boy, that's all!

Now you see why I`m so scared

Originally Posted by Kagain

...2 hunters joined the LM and it became same old story again.

It appears that nearly every new person that gets to the moors just can't resist the urge to climb up there and try the famous pillar thing. Must be new trend here. Or maybe they are just doing what leader tells 'em...

I think you`re quite right here and have all reasons to be upset, but hey! I guess you should also blame yourself and your warg-buddies for this - you guys frustraited hunters to death ganking them on every possible occasion, so its logical they seek for some safe spot to have their portion of fun in this game as well...

And besides a group zerg situations (which are annoying, but are surely part of the game) there is another problem in a warg vs hunter situation:

I find it pretty problematic to get a fair kill in a random 1 vs 1 situation due to following (when i`m pounced by one of your kind in 50% of cases its a clear win for you, in 10% of cases clear win for me, then in the remaining situations warg hipses being close to dying and then either runs away denying my claim for victory or returns few seconds later stunning and respectively killing me). i.e. if you guys are brave enough to engage me in fighting, why would you not stand till it ends? While this would be (as u stated in the other thread) a fair tactic against the heavies with their sprints and bubbles, but vs squishies? hmm... This certainly is a legitimate in-game situation, but it removes a lot of fun from my side and adds additional frustration... I guess i`m not alone with such feelings here...

Dont get me wrong, please, its not meant for cry/whine/qq. Just trying to understand/explain a logic/reasons behind ppl minds playing on our side of the moors.

Hope my post did not contain any offence to anybody. Lets keep a discussion constructive.