In my book, the only ones who are forced are those who do not like those emotes used on them but do not have a choice. It's those players who are forced both by the developer and by their fellow players.
I really wonder whether those deeds would be as attractive as they are now if they didn't involve random players.
I have already proposed special npcs for that in another thread/post, so that people who want the deed can grief each other (that post got neg rep btw...).
Hey, we don't like it any more than you do. You think you have it bad? I have to use these things 300 times each to get the deed. There is no way you're the target of all 300 of them. In fact, I'm as courteous as one can be about it. I try to use the /thank emote as much as possible without spamming to get the point across that I realize it's not great fun on their part all the time, and that I'm only doing it to get the deed. I switch targets after a while so nobody thinks I'm harassing them. I'll target other deeders who are doing the same thing I am, if any are available. If one is around, I'll target an AFK player. Not sure what else I can do.
I can probably speak for every deeder (save for the few griefers) when I say that we're tired of people getting offended, sending us nasty tells over it, and so on. You wouldn't believe some of the things I've been called in game. Why? For using a festival consumable in the place it makes sense to use them--the festival area. I remember some RPers hanging out during the fall festival, and couldn't believe that they were being hit by AOE consumables that weren't even targeting them. COULD NOT BELIEVE IT. How dare we? C'mon. We're tired of people whining about these things, just like they're tired of being the target of them.
So what do we do? Well, we could rattle the devs to implement a solution where people could simply check a box in their social options to opt out. Or, we could just accuse deeders of only doing it because it involves griefing random players. I think I'm going to go with the former. You're welcome to join me.
It does, it is the obvious solution and I'm pretty sure Yalras agrees. His point is that everyone needs to direct their ire at the devs, whose solution cleverly upsets everyone while failing to address the issue, rather than at each other.
Why am I suddenly getting the feeling that there will not be a checkbox to turn off spammed / forced emotes but an item you can buy in the store like a tome to turn them off for 12 hours for 195 tp?
That seems to be the direction Turbine is headed so be prepared people... Either way its going to suck for all involved.
Let me tell you how I feel, about my experience in game, and not with you personally.
It just baffles me that players put their own game before respecting the game of other players.
Just because it's put in game doesn't mean it has to be completed.
Again, do not take it personally, I am responding here because I think there are a lot of 'emoters' who think like you.
Originally Posted by sevrid
Hey, we don't like it any more than you do. You think you have it bad? I have to use these things 300 times each to get the deed.
If you didn't like getting that deed done, you wouldn't do it, so yes, I think you do like it. By the way, the goal of the deed is to get the 'emote' permanently, as skill, no? The purpose of that emote is not to sit there idle, but to get used. It doesn't stop after 300 times, just becomes easier.
And no, you don't have to use them. You choose to use them.
There is no way you're the target of all 300 of them.
You thought you were alone then, in 'having' to complete these deeds? Please think again.
In fact, I'm as courteous as one can be about it.
By leaving me and others on the floor or dazed, or with other effects, sure.
For me courteous means that I do not start those deeds at all: do not do to others what you do not want others to do to you.
I try to use the /thank emote as much as possible without spamming to get the point across that I realize it's not great fun on their part all the time, and that I'm only doing it to get the deed.
And you think that makes it better?
I switch targets after a while so nobody thinks I'm harassing them. I'll target other deeders who are doing the same thing I am, if any are available. If one is around, I'll target an AFK player. Not sure what else I can do.
You target someone for a while then?
And after you there is a whole slew of other players who think exactly the same.
I can probably speak for every deeder (save for the few griefers) when I say that we're tired of people getting offended, sending us nasty tells over it, and so on. You wouldn't believe some of the things I've been called in game. Why? For using a festival consumable in the place it makes sense to use them--the festival area. I remember some RPers hanging out during the fall festival, and couldn't believe that they were being hit by AOE consumables that weren't even targeting them. COULD NOT BELIEVE IT. How dare we? C'mon. We're tired of people whining about these things, just like they're tired of being the target of them.
Then stop using those emotes...... how fed up do you think the players who get targeted by emotes are? Do you really think that players who are immersed in their game enjoy having that interrupted on a continuous basis? And it never ends...
So what do we do? Well, we could rattle the devs to implement a solution where people could simply check a box in their social options to opt out. Or, we could just accuse deeders of only doing it because it involves griefing random players. I think I'm going to go with the former. You're welcome to join me.
Or you could just stop completing these deeds. You do not list that as an option.
To those who say both parties are equally hurt by this change, they can't be. Targeting someone with an emote is a different action compared to being targeted by someone. The person who uses the emote has a choice, the person who it is used on doesn't.
No point picking on other players for a change made by developers.
If you've read through the other threads on this topic, you may have noted I've written that the devs were irresponsible to include forced emotes into the game. That lies on them. It is, however, up to the individual player to make the choice as to whether to use the forced emote or not. That choice puts the responsibility on the player, not the dev. Along with that choice made by the player comes either thought or attitude, or both.
The thought will carry with it the weight of the realization that someone else will be forced to do something. You do understand the implications of forced? The someone being forced will be unsuspecting. Having something forced upon one is never fun for that one being forced.
And that leads to the attitude. Is there enjoyment in forcing someone? Is that what leads to fun for someone? Fun at the cost of someone else's discomfiture? That attitude in the game fails to take into account the fact there is a real person on the other side of the screen running their own character. A real person, mind you, not just a set of pixels. That person is in the game for their own enjoyment, and being forced to do something, unsuspecting that it is going to happen, is never, ever fun. That leads to playing the game with a sense of unease, that at anytime one can be forced to lose control of their character.
Several of the forced emote users have stated they only use their emote on a character that is just standing there idle. How are they to determine it is truly idle? The character may be, but the person whose character it is most likely isn't. Perhaps they're having an argument with a spouse, or having to deal with the kids; coming back into the game then to find yourself being forced would be not much fun. If a character is standing idle at the bank vault, perhaps the person is rearranging vault slots, or involved in an IM session with a friend. The pixel character may be idle, the real person behind it isn't. Or even perhaps the character is being logged off, and is in the final seconds of the log-off countdown. Being hit by a forced emote cancels that. An idle character by no means indicates an idle person behind it. That real person most likely has real issues they're dealing with, are in the game to get relief or an escape from them. Being forced is the last thing they want.
Does social convention get tossed out the window because this is a virtual world? This is not a closed system where the interactions are all with computer-generated beings. MMO by definition includes other people. Social convention and the responsibility for choices still applies. The attitude that it is OK to force anyone to do something against their will is the kind of attitude a third-world dictator has.
You may want to place that at the feet of the developer. That's something you yourself need to live with. The responsibility for the choice to use the forced emote doesn't belong to the developer, however. You may as well blame the matchmakers for the house burning down. The one who forces has the choice of whether to do it or not. The recipient has no choice, and that is never right, whether in a virtual world or the real one.
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To many people, free will is a license to rebel not against what is unjust or hard in life but against what is best for them and true.
If you didn't like getting that deed done, you wouldn't do it, so yes, I think you do like it.
No, we DO NOT like it. It's horribly tedious and boring and I hate having to search out an afk, horsed person or someone I know ... and this whole process will go on much longer now due to the too-long, shared cd. I may like the emote but that does mean I like using 300 times at all.
By the way, the goal of the deed is to get the 'emote' permanently, as skill, no? The purpose of that emote is not to sit there idle, but to get used. It doesn't stop after 300 times, just becomes easier.
And no, you don't have to use them. You choose to use them.
Yes, that is the goal. I use them every so often once I have the deed and certainly never on anyone I don't know. There are a lot of fun emotes for me to use when I'm around my friends. It's fun to use them year round plus I'm one of those deed completionist people. So unless I want to have half of my bag space taken up by these emotes,which isn't acceptable, yeah, I have to do them.
I gotta agree with sevrid about using them in the festival area. If I had people getting high and mighty with outrage about them being used there, I'd be pretty frustrated too. Right now the devs have made it a bad situation for ALL. I think a sense of compromise isn't an outrageous thing to ask. It's the festival. It's where the emotes are bought. It's not surprising they will be used there. I can deal with someone not wanting them used on them in Galtrev or Rivendell but getting angry in the festival area is going too far. The non-emoters want their game to be respected yet don't want to give any leeway or respect to the emoters who want to play their game as well: ie, deed completion. The vast majority of emoters are doing their best to search out people who will be disturbed the least (friends, those on horse, or afk). The ire being directed at us who also want to play our game is getting super old. Direct it towards the target it belongs directed to: the developers.
So no, I will not stop using them. I want to play my game too. In the festival area, I'll use the aoe ones yet still try to search out the other fellow emote deeders so I cause the least amount of interference to others. Outside of the festival area I'll be even more careful. But I'm not going to stop. Some understanding and compromise from the non-emoters given the situation has been made worse by the developers would be most appreciated.
No, we DO NOT like it. It's horribly tedious and boring and I hate having to search out an afk, horsed person or someone I know ... and this whole process will go on much longer now due to the too-long, shared cd. I may like the emote but that does mean I like using 300 times at all.
Let me get this straight, it's tedious, boring, and you hate it, the people you use those emotes on hate it, and you still continue...
Yes, that is the goal. I use them every so often once I have the deed and certainly never on anyone I don't know. There are a lot of fun emotes for me to use when I'm around my friends. It's fun to use them year round plus I'm one of those deed completionist people. So unless I want to have half of my bag space taken up by these emotes,which isn't acceptable, yeah, I have to do them.
You don't have to do anything. You can empty your bags at any time. I know I did, once I realized that 'the deed' obliges me to collect 300 consumables X so many deeds.
Take some responsibility for your actions: you want to complete these deeds, it comes with wanting to have those consumables, you collected them/bartered for them after all, and you want to use them to get the deed done, because you want the reward 'the emote skill'. And all this wanting leads to bothering/annoying/upsetting/angrying players who do not want to be included in your game play.
I gotta agree with sevrid about using them in the festival area. If I had people getting high and mighty with outrage about them being used there, I'd be pretty frustrated too. Right now the devs have made it a bad situation for ALL. I think a sense of compromise isn't an outrageous thing to ask. It's the festival. It's where the emotes are bought. It's not surprising they will be used there. I can deal with someone not wanting them used on them in Galtrev or Rivendell but getting angry in the festival area is going too far. The non-emoters want their game to be respected yet don't want to give any leeway or respect to the emoters who want to play their game as well: ie, deed completion. The vast majority of emoters are doing their best to search out people who will be disturbed the least (friends, those on horse, or afk). The ire being directed at us who also want to play our game is getting super old. Direct it towards the target it belongs directed to: the developers.
I do not feel I have to feed compulsions in others, so no, I do not respect nor encourage those who can't take responsibility for their game play and keep repeating 'the game made me do it, honest'.
A bit above here you wrote you want to use those emotes on your friends. Then why not do that? You get just as much fun out of using the consumables on them as you will out of using your acquired skill.
Just because you don't like to hear that you are bothering others doesn't mean they have to become silent. After all, you do not stop using the emotes either. No, you claim you 'have' to use them. In the same way, I, and others, will keep complaining.
So no, I will not stop using them. I want to play my game too. In the festival area, I'll use the aoe ones yet still try to search out the other fellow emote deeders so I cause the least amount of interference to others. Outside of the festival area I'll be even more careful. But I'm not going to stop. Some understanding and compromise from the non-emoters given the situation has been made worse by the developers would be most appreciated.
Non-emoters do not have a say in the matter either way. You do not need them to understand or compromise, as long as they do not tell you they don't like it. You are not going to stop, you want to play your game. It seems that the ones who 'have' to complete these deeds are the ones who lack understanding and put themselves before others.
Some understanding and compromise from the non-emoters given the situation has been made worse by the developers would be most appreciated.
Please tell me where there is a compromise point for the non-emoters to enjoy being forced. It seems, from reading all that's been posted, that the non-emoters do understand; you enjoy using the consummables, you find it fun, you don't like the fact now that you can't use them as rapidly as before. The step the developers took in increasing the CD of the things actually is a step still in favor of using the forced emotes. That you now have to use them for a longer period of time should be making you ecstatic. Oh, but you want the permanent skill, to use whenever, wherever, at no cost to you, so gotta get the deed done, free up the inventory space.
Using the things on people you know, friends and kinmates-- that's consensual. You probably tell them you're going to do it, at least the first time, and if they ask you not to do it to them, you probably agree not to. Do you do that with strangers? Do you ask if they'd mind if you use a forced emote on them? Do you back away from them if they answer "No"? Do you give them that modicum of respect? Or is the attitude still "I have to use these up so everyone is fair game"?
It's your responsibility how you use the forced emotes. The recipient of the force has no need whatsoever to "compromise" and say "Oh well, they're just having fun. Silly me for not having the same idea of fun they do."
To many people, free will is a license to rebel not against what is unjust or hard in life but against what is best for them and true.
Let me get this straight, it's tedious, boring, and you hate it, the people you use those emotes on hate it, and you still continue...
For me, at least, it's now tedious and boring to do it any other way than spamming other people.
How I was doing those deeds before the patch: I would log a second account, make that character AFK with a message inviting tricks from passerby players, and spam the tricks on him from time to time. I was doing this whenever I was at my computer but doing something else.
How I do them now: I play normally and spam anyone I come across. With the time to spam all 300 items going from 10 hours for all items together, to 25 hours per item, it's not feasible to restrict my item spamming just to those dual boxing sessions.
Originally Posted by WickedWitch99
You don't have to do anything. You can empty your bags at any time. I know I did, once I realized that 'the deed' obliges me to collect 300 consumables X so many deeds.
Take some responsibility for your actions: you want to complete these deeds, it comes with wanting to have those consumables, you collected them/bartered for them after all, and you want to use them to get the deed done, because you want the reward 'the emote skill'. And all this wanting leads to bothering/annoying/upsetting/angrying players who do not want to be included in your game play.
I don't care. Or, rather, I avoid spamming players that are crafting or actively RPing, but every one, for me, is fair game since I don't see how having a few seconds of some purely cosmetic effect can be detrimental to the game (I try to keep the glove for mounted characters, who won't be knocked down, or for AFK players).
Sincerely, it comes with the game. LotRO had emotes that affected other people for a long time. What changed is that Turbine decided to include deeds that force players to use those emotes.
Originally Posted by WickedWitch99
I do not feel I have to feed compulsions in others, so no, I do not respect nor encourage those who can't take responsibility for their game play and keep repeating 'the game made me do it, honest'.
A bit above here you wrote you want to use those emotes on your friends. Then why not do that? You get just as much fun out of using the consumables on them as you will out of using your acquired skill.
Just because you don't like to hear that you are bothering others doesn't mean they have to become silent. After all, you do not stop using the emotes either. No, you claim you 'have' to use them. In the same way, I, and others, will keep complaining.
I do the solo part of the game to complete it. My long term goal is to get all obtainable deeds with all my characters. I will not be driven away from the consumable deeds just because some players don't like when someone else plays harmless tricks on them.
BTW: 9 characters. If this change is not reversed, or an easier way to get the deeds is added to the game, expect to see me spamming consumables on cooldown until the day I leave the game for good. I still have a backlog of a few thousand consumables from the autumn festival alone, not even taking into account the yule festival.
As for complaints, I only care about them if I consider the complaint reasonable and it's directed at me. With the emotes, I didn't do anything that I feel like merits a complaint, so I just ignore them.
Originally Posted by WickedWitch99
Non-emoters do not have a say in the matter either way. You do not need them to understand or compromise, as long as they do not tell you they don't like it. You are not going to stop, you want to play your game. It seems that the ones who 'have' to complete these deeds are the ones who lack understanding and put themselves before others.
It's part of the game. If you go play football, expect to be shoved, pushed, etc by the other players. If you are playing a MMO where there is some way to trick other unsuspecting players, expect it to be done to you.
What you are doing is attempting to change the rules. It's like going to play football and throwing a fit whenever someone pushes you. I don't think it's going to work. On me, at least, it won't.
Three words, and they point to the entire reason for wanting an opt-out toggle.
You're not alone in the game. You don't need to care how others play their game, though; it's why the folks who want the opt-out do so. They actually care how the game is played, and how their gameplay affects others.
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To many people, free will is a license to rebel not against what is unjust or hard in life but against what is best for them and true.
Just because it's put in game doesn't mean it has to be completed.
Unless I want the deed, which I do. Let's turn that around a bit: Just because you don't like it doesn't mean that I have to accommodate you beyond avoidance.
If you didn't like getting that deed done, you wouldn't do it, so yes, I think you do like it.
It couldn't possibly be that I like the reward it promises. Nope, my intentions HAVE to be malicious, or else you're just not satisfied. I'm... not supposed to take that personally? You really ought to expect better of people. You'd probably be a happier person.
By the way, the goal of the deed is to get the 'emote' permanently, as skill, no? The purpose of that emote is not to sit there idle, but to get used. It doesn't stop after 300 times, just becomes easier.
Of course, it couldn't be the case that I want to use it at my leisure when the opportunity arises among people who have a sense of humor without having a set of finite, vault/bag-using commodities to manage. Here again it seems my intentions absolutely have to be malicious, and you'll accept no reason to the contrary.
And no, you don't have to use them. You choose to use them.
Yes, I have to use them to get the emote. I want the emote, ergo I choose to use them. Pretty straightforward.
You thought you were alone then, in 'having' to complete these deeds? Please think again.
Right, because with what you've said on this thread, I'm certain you let yourself be spammed by these enough times to complete all their deed. Please.
By leaving me and others on the floor or dazed, or with other effects, sure.
Too bad. They're festival consumables. If you go the festival area, you're going to get hit by them. If you don't like it, don't participate in the festival. I can't speak for those who do it out in the non-festival areas, so don't project your frustration with them onto me, thanks.
For me courteous means that I do not start those deeds at all: do not do to others what you do not want others to do to you.
Oh it does, does it? So for you courteous means that everyone else play by your rules, with you never bending even an inch to at least tolerate the preferences of others? Got it. Not interested. With all you've said so far, that's what it seems like, which is a pretty far cry from the golden rule. Or should I instead assume you find it acceptable to have your motives questioned while being ordered about by strangers. Y'know. Reciprocation and all that.
And you think that makes it better?
For people who have a reasonable definition of courteousness, which should entail something about taking the considerations of others into account rather than being a one-way street? Yes.
You target someone for a while then?
3-5 cycles, yep, if they're idling there. Usually they A) don't care; B) are doing the same thing; or C) are AFK. But nice try, trying to twist it to where I'm harassing them. Real classy.
And after you there is a whole slew of other players who think exactly the same.
A whole slew? I can't speak for those who do it outside the festival areas, but inside the festival area there are usually 4 to 7 of us engaging with each other at any given time. You know, minding our own business until someone whines to us that they walked through our area and happened to get hit by an AOE, then complaining about it on the forums. Not sure we qualify for even half a slew, to be honest, although there are probably other shifts.
Then stop using those emotes...... how fed up do you think the players who get targeted by emotes are? Do you really think that players who are immersed in their game enjoy having that interrupted on a continuous basis? And it never ends...
No. If that's how it's going to be, you stop participating in festivals. I'm not going to sacrifice content I find enjoyable (meaning the reward, not the process, just so I don't get taken wildly out of context yet again) if you're not. For all the complaining, it seems you don't.
Or you could just stop completing these deeds. You do not list that as an option.
That is correct. If I were to use a consumable on you, and you asked me to stop, I would. As far as I'm concerned, that's where my obligation to you ends.
To those who say both parties are equally hurt by this change, they can't be. Targeting someone with an emote is a different action compared to being targeted by someone. The person who uses the emote has a choice, the person who it is used on doesn't.
Let's talk about proportionality. This isn't the difference between assaulting a person and being the victim of assault--not that anyone could tell by reading your responses--this is the difference between being a person who clicks a mouse twice, and being a person who was the target of clicking. Get over it.
What you are doing is attempting to change the rules. It's like going to play football and throwing a fit whenever someone pushes you. I don't think it's going to work. On me, at least, it won't.
Quoted for truth! All I'm hearing is "everyone else should stop doing this because I don't like it." I accommodate where I can, but if someone whines that much about it, forget 'em. They're not interested in a mutually beneficial compromise so much as they're interested in being petulant and rude. I guess I'll just have to fill the hole in my life left by their absence with something proportionate. Like scratching my butt twice in the morning instead of once.
I guess that's really all I have left to say about the topic, especially when elements of the other side aren't interested in being reasoned with. Those who are seem to agree about the solution that would best satisfy us both, and for that I thank them. Tootles.
P.S. -- For future reference, prefacing a an offensive post with "don't take it personally" does not let you off the hook for exhibiting basic civility. Saying that does not in any way make it less rude.
All I'm hearing is "everyone else should stop doing this because I don't like it." I accommodate where I can, but if someone whines that much about it, forget 'em. They're not interested in a mutually beneficial compromise so much as they're interested in being petulant and rude.
Here is a "beneficial compromise": Use them only on characters you have communicated with and determined that they don't object. If you do that, those who do not like be the target will not complain to you.
I guess that's really all I have left to say about the topic, especially when elements of the other side aren't interested in being reasoned with.
I agree with those that have said that they have yet to see a reasoned argument in favor of unrestricted use of forced emotes. If you have such an argument, do please present it.
P.S. -- For future reference, prefacing a an offensive post with "don't take it personally" does not let you off the hook for exhibiting basic civility. Saying that does not in any way make it less rude.
If you think a post is rude, there is a "Report Post" button at the bottom of every post. It isn't just a decoration.
I agree with those that have said that they have yet to see a reasoned argument in favor of unrestricted use of forced emotes. If you have such an argument, do please present it.
Perhaps that's because they're already restricted, and we don't have a problem with that. First, there are cooldowns on the items themselves which result in a restriction on their usage. That is a de facto, mechanistic restriction. Second, turbine put them in the game and allow them to be used, but they also have anti-harassment policies. That is another de facto restriction, only in this case a subjective one. So no, I don't need to put forward an argument for unrestricted use of forced emotes because we already have restrictions, and I'm okay with what those restrictions are. What I'm not okay with is those restrictions being increased, especially in the way they have been.
Summary: If you're waiting for an argument that nobody is interested in making, you'll be waiting a long time. Hope this helps.
Here is a "beneficial compromise": Use them only on characters you have communicated with and determined that they don't object. If you do that, those who do not like be the target will not complain to you.
Already do that. Do read the thread before responding.
Originally Posted by sevrid
I can't speak for those who do it outside the festival areas, but inside the festival area there are usually 4 to 7 of us engaging with each other at any given time. You know, minding our own business until someone whines to us that they walked through our area and happened to get hit by an AOE, then complaining about it on the forums.
Next you guys will say "don't do the AOE consumables." Prediction: my reply will be somewhere in the vicinity of "buzz off."
What I'm not okay with is those restrictions being increased, especially in the way they have been.
Neither "side" of the forced emote argument is happy about what the devs have come up with as seemingly their "solution". That's pretty clear throughout all the threads about this topic. One "side" wants to have an opt-out toggle, which, using your own words from a prior post, is a reasonable solution for all involved. The other "side" wants what Heydt has termed "unrestricted use", the ability to use the forced emote on whomever they choose, with a lower CD. That solution is not reasonable for all involved-- it's still one-sided. An opt-out, which has been suggested over and over again, allows everyone to play their own game in the manner which they so choose.
As far as people getting hit by the AoEs in the festival area, that is on them. If they don't like the forced emotes, the festival area is not a place to be. I'll agree with that. But the other side of that is, if one doesn't want to be hit by a forced emote, and then needs to stay away from a certain area of the game because of it, then we have an unbalanced situation. And again here, the opt-out toggle would solve that problem.
What I haven't seen, or perhaps have missed, is a reasonable solution apart from the opt-out being presented by the "side" that wants to use the forced emotes. Generally speaking, it's just an argument against the "side" that does want the opt-out, or failing that, removal of the forced emotes. Speaking for myself, I'd prefer the opt-out so then the users can continue on with their game as they see fit, and the non-users can enjoy their game as they see fit.
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To many people, free will is a license to rebel not against what is unjust or hard in life but against what is best for them and true.
Neither "side" of the forced emote argument is happy about what the devs have come up with as seemingly their "solution". That's pretty clear throughout all the threads about this topic. One "side" wants to have an opt-out toggle, which, using your own words from a prior post, is a reasonable solution for all involved.
Yes, this is a great option. I'm with you so far.
The other "side" wants what Heydt has termed "unrestricted use", the ability to use the forced emote on whomever they choose, with a lower CD.
D'oh! No! That's not what anyone in this thread has said at all! The only thing we've asked for is for the cooldowns to go back to what they were before the update. That is what is being asked, not "unrestricted use." We're okay with the old restrictions (see previous post) not the new ones.
So let's put the discussion in context. It's not "anything goes vs. opt-out." Read WickedWitch99. She wants my side to stop using the emotes altogether because she doesn't like it, and to hell with what we want. That's the only all-or-nothing view being presented here. The discussion is "opt out vs. everyone-stop-doing-it-because-I-said-so." Everyone else seems to want a compromise. Emoters: to go from an unspeakably ridiculous grind to a plain old ridiculous grind, and not have people complaining at them for using content they don't like. Non-emoters: not to have their toons forced into doing emotes. Substituting the opt-out for the unspeakably ridiculous grind is a solution that would make both sides happy, save for one person who wants to be the boss of everyone.
You and me? We're on the same side.
What I haven't seen, or perhaps have missed, is a reasonable solution apart from the opt-out being presented by the "side" that wants to use the forced emotes. Generally speaking, it's just an argument against the "side" that does want the opt-out, or failing that, removal of the forced emotes. Speaking for myself, I'd prefer the opt-out so then the users can continue on with their game as they see fit, and the non-users can enjoy their game as they see fit.
The best we can do is try to be courteous within the context of the current system. I've posted what I do to keep everything smooth, and I encourage others to follow suit. If people don't enter the festival grounds, they don't deal with me or people who think like I do about this. If they send a polite message asking me not to target them, I won't, and probably don't anyway. For certain people, nothing will ever be good enough, so I'm not really concerned with what they want since nothing I do will satisfy them anyway. That's the best route I can think of until there is an opt-out function, at least with the old cooldowns. Now, I don't really feel guilty about using them out in the game, since I don't want the entirety of the game to be standing in one spot for 75 hours clicking consumables. Blame that one on Turbine.
For me, at least, it's now tedious and boring to do it any other way than spamming other people.
How I was doing those deeds before the patch: I would log a second account, make that character AFK with a message inviting tricks from passerby players, and spam the tricks on him from time to time. I was doing this whenever I was at my computer but doing something else.
I like this. It's the one way I came up with myself that that's how I would do it if I wanted to get such a deed done.
How I do them now: I play normally and spam anyone I come across. With the time to spam all 300 items going from 10 hours for all items together, to 25 hours per item, it's not feasible to restrict my item spamming just to those dual boxing sessions.
It seems that in contrast with your earlier method you are now taking your frustration with the timer out on 'anyone I come across'.
I don't care. Or, rather, I avoid spamming players that are crafting or actively RPing, but every one, for me, is fair game since I don't see how having a few seconds of some purely cosmetic effect can be detrimental to the game (I try to keep the glove for mounted characters, who won't be knocked down, or for AFK players).
Just because you don't see how it is annoying to others doesn't make it so for them.
Sincerely, it comes with the game. LotRO had emotes that affected other people for a long time. What changed is that Turbine decided to include deeds that force players to use those emotes.
And Turbine adding those deeds impacted your behavior, but Turbine is not forcing you. If it was just emotes, there wouldn't be an incentive to use that emote 300 times in as short a time as possible.
I do the solo part of the game to complete it. My long term goal is to get all obtainable deeds with all my characters. I will not be driven away from the consumable deeds just because some players don't like when someone else plays harmless tricks on them.
BTW: 9 characters. If this change is not reversed, or an easier way to get the deeds is added to the game, expect to see me spamming consumables on cooldown until the day I leave the game for good. I still have a backlog of a few thousand consumables from the autumn festival alone, not even taking into account the yule festival.
These sentences speak for themselves.
As for complaints, I only care about them if I consider the complaint reasonable and it's directed at me. With the emotes, I didn't do anything that I feel like merits a complaint, so I just ignore them.
It's good this is a game then, and not 'reality'.
It's part of the game. If you go play football, expect to be shoved, pushed, etc by the other players. If you are playing a MMO where there is some way to trick other unsuspecting players, expect it to be done to you.
Except, I am not playing. Players who play consent. I do not.
What you are doing is attempting to change the rules. It's like going to play football and throwing a fit whenever someone pushes you. I don't think it's going to work. On me, at least, it won't.
The analogy doesn't fly. If someone plays football and suddenly it's allowed to kick someone in the gut, does that make it ok to do so? Is it ok when it's only allowed every five minutes, by one player? How about by 5 different players, they can each do that at any time they want, to a group of players who express they don't like it?
It's not those who do not like to be 'emoted' who changed the rules. First the emote deeds were put in game, then the timer was changed. Now you want to complete them because you want to complete them all, on all your nine characters.
I wonder if the completionist-idea has some sort of customer retention effect.
Wow, lovely and rude responses to come back to, yay.
Originally Posted by WickedWitch99
Let me get this straight, it's tedious, boring, and you hate it, the people you use those emotes on hate it, and you still continue...
You know, like the vast majority of deeds in this game... yet people still do them because of the reward. That's the whole point of deeds. You work to get something. You put up with the tedious work because you want the reward. Is this really so difficult for you to comprehend?
Take some responsibility for your actions: you want to complete these deeds, it comes with wanting to have those consumables, you collected them/bartered for them after all, and you want to use them to get the deed done, because you want the reward 'the emote skill'. And all this wanting leads to bothering/annoying/upsetting/angrying players who do not want to be included in your game play.
Did you bother to read my post? Or did you just skim it and assume you know my thoughts on the matter and what I do because I'm just another emote deed completer? I said point blank I want to complete the deeds and do the work for them because I want the reward. So isn't that taking responsibility? And did I not say how I use them on friends, afk or horsed people? I've actually never gotten a negative reaction to these emotes because I'm careful.
I do not feel I have to feed compulsions in others, so no, I do not respect nor encourage those who can't take responsibility for their game play and keep repeating 'the game made me do it, honest'.
There's no logic to this. I don't even know how to respond to it.
A bit above here you wrote you want to use those emotes on your friends. Then why not do that? You get just as much fun out of using the consumables on them as you will out of using your acquired skill.
Because my friend aren't in visible proximity every second I play the game? That because the vast majority of game time I spend with them is in a raid in which Turbine has made it impossible to advance deeds? Nice try with that one. *pats*
Just because you don't like to hear that you are bothering others doesn't mean they have to become silent. After all, you do not stop using the emotes either. No, you claim you 'have' to use them. In the same way, I, and others, will keep complaining.
*sigh* I want the reward. So yeah there are actions I must complete if I want a reward. Again, why is this so hard for you to comprehend? Lucky for you, I'm very careful as to who I use them on so I reduce the chance of a person's game play being disturbed.
Non-emoters do not have a say in the matter either way. You do not need them to understand or compromise, as long as they do not tell you they don't like it. You are not going to stop, you want to play your game. It seems that the ones who 'have' to complete these deeds are the ones who lack understanding and put themselves before others.
They've had plenty of say. Look at the pages and pages of stressing out over this. It's caused many people to be very careful with how they use them. People are trying their best to respect their wishes. I see many emote deeders supporting the opt out, asking Turbine for it as well. I'd say they've been giving LOADS of understanding. Yet I see very little from the people who are so up in arms about these emotes. They want people to stop using them 100%. Like that's fair either.
I'm sure you'll be responding more to me, but I will not be to you, nor will I be reading your posts. If found your reply to be rude and quite frankly I don't deal well with people who appear selfish and want everyone to bend to their way and do things ONLY the way they want them done. That's no way to move forward and work towards a system that works for all people.
Originally Posted by Abiyah
Please tell me where there is a compromise point for the non-emoters to enjoy being forced.
It would have been nice if you would have read my post more closely as well. When talking about compromise, I was speaking about the festival area. That is the one place non-emoters could show some compromise and at least not complain there unless it's apparent someone is harassing them. I said it's fine if one doesn't want to have an emote used on them in Galtrev or Rivendell. I can understand that. But complaining in the festival area, where the emotes are bought is just downright annoying and showing no understanding or recognition of those who do like to participate in emotes.
The step the developers took in increasing the CD of the things actually is a step still in favor of using the forced emotes. That you now have to use them for a longer period of time should be making you ecstatic.
This is crazy logic. I don't understand how you could come to this conclusion. Yay it takes me many times longer to complete a deed? Seriously...
Using the things on people you know, friends and kinmates-- that's consensual. You probably tell them you're going to do it, at least the first time, and if they ask you not to do it to them, you probably agree not to. Do you do that with strangers? Do you ask if they'd mind if you use a forced emote on them? Do you back away from them if they answer "No"? Do you give them that modicum of respect? Or is the attitude still "I have to use these up so everyone is fair game"?
No, because my kinnies are people who aren't uptight about these things. They don't care and they don't mind helping me out. Though I'd always say thanks for one of them being the target of a big emote bomb back when cds weren't shared. And no I don't ask strangers because they're either 1. not there (aka afk), 2. on a horse so they don't get affected or 3. a fellow deed emoter. I have had an afk person move after I used it on them and I immediately did a 'sorry' and 'thank' emote.
I said several times how I try to be respectful and cause the least amount of disruption possible, but like sevrid, I'm having all sorts of malicious intent being lumped on me because of what a few bad apples do. [sarcasm] Having the worse assumed of you because you choose to participate in a part of the game Turbine offers is just lovely! [/sarcasm]
Originally Posted by Abiyah
The other "side" wants what Heydt has termed "unrestricted use", the ability to use the forced emote on whomever they choose, with a lower CD.
Seriously, you and WickedWitch99 need to actually read posts or work on reading comprehension because in your last posts you've either not read what others have been saying or purposefully misinterpreting what they said. It's quite frustrating.
The vast majority of the emote-deeders fully support the opt out, with of course the cooldowns returned to what they once were. The people who opt out do not get an effect and the deeder gets to advance their deed. So you are incorrect. Yes people want the cool downs restored BUT with the opt out for those who do not wish to participate in this aspect of the game.
But the other side of that is, if one doesn't want to be hit by a forced emote, and then needs to stay away from a certain area of the game because of it, then we have an unbalanced situation.
Yet the deeders are supposed to stop...
Ugh, these arguments have totally ruined what was a fun thing for me and I'm not one of the griefers. I've never had a bad reaction since I don't use them in a malicious manner. Meh. I should stay away from these threads as I have a hard time being automatically categorised as a malicious player because I want to complete consumable deeds. It's hard not defending oneself when you've gone out of your way to not annoy anyone.
It's hard not defending oneself when you've gone out of your way to not annoy anyone.
Exactly. It's where I find myself for wanting to not be forced-emoted. I don't annoy anyone in-game. The forced emotes by their very nature of being forced are annoying, when I've done nothing to deserve it. The only recourse available short of submitting harrassment tickets is here in the forums, where stating a viewpoint and taking a defensive posture leads to ever increasing argument.
To many people, free will is a license to rebel not against what is unjust or hard in life but against what is best for them and true.
Ugh, these arguments have totally ruined what was a fun thing for me and I'm not one of the griefers. I've never had a bad reaction since I don't use them in a malicious manner. Meh. I should stay away from these threads as I have a hard time being automatically categorised as a malicious player because I want to complete consumable deeds. It's hard not defending oneself when you've gone out of your way to not annoy anyone.
Don't let it get to you. Some people won't ever be satisfied. I'm sure WW99 is writing up a real doozy for me to read, but I'm not giving her the satisfaction. All I see on her part is griefing. Y'know, that thing she accuses us of doing as we're standing in a circle playing virtual hackeysack with jars of bugs and stink bombs while keeping to ourselves, minding our own business. Not interested in hypocrisy trolls, sorry.
My recommendation: do what I did, and show the thread how wonderful an idea the "opt out" really is by utilizing the ignore list. I've opted out of any more whiny, abusive posts from that person, and already I'm enjoying the forums more. C'mon, Devs. It worked for me.
Let's talk about proportionality. This isn't the difference between assaulting a person and being the victim of assault--not that anyone could tell by reading your responses--this is the difference between being a person who clicks a mouse twice, and being a person who was the target of clicking. Get over it.
It's funny that you bring this up, because I can turn it around and ask you why those clicks/pixels/completion are so important to you.
The difference is that you want something, and I don't want to be part of it.
You do not seem to grasp that before you arrive and after you have used your emotes on me, there are many players who have already done the same.
Last edited by WickedWitch99; Jan 01 2012 at 10:05 PM.
P.S. -- For future reference, prefacing a an offensive post with "don't take it personally" does not let you off the hook for exhibiting basic civility. Saying that does not in any way make it less rude.
I will not respond to the rest of your post, just to this, because it's clearly geared to me.
You do not like my posts, I do not like forced emotes.
I am expressing my opinion, and responded to something you expressed on these forums, and apparently that's not ok in your eyes.
You are affecting other people's game play and that's ok in your eyes.
And you talk about basic civility?
Added: ah, so when the discussion gets too warm, some who enjoy using the forced emotes opt to use the ignore button. Now if only we had such a button/flag in game for opting out of the emotes.
Last edited by WickedWitch99; Jan 01 2012 at 08:19 PM.
I am still waiting for a response from an Admin/GM/Dev or anyone with any influence to address this massive amount of complaints. Seeing that this topic already has over 5 pages of comments makes me wonder how much more we need to do to get Turbine's attention. Somehow some things get changed in patches that you never heard about before and never saw people complain about, yet, when there is this majority of complaints, nothing seems to be done about it. Very curious indeed.
I am still waiting for a response from an Admin/GM/Dev or anyone with any influence to address this massive amount of complaints. Seeing that this topic already has over 5 pages of comments makes me wonder how much more we need to do to get Turbine's attention. Somehow some things get changed in patches that you never heard about before and never saw people complain about, yet, when there is this majority of complaints, nothing seems to be done about it. Very curious indeed.
Turbine almost never directly addresses complaint threads, so don't get your hopes up. *Sometimes* they acknowledge that there has been a problem when they're ready to roll out a fix, but not until then. Sometimes fixes don't even appear in patch notes, even when they do get fixed.
As for this thread length...there have been a bunch of threads (some still quite active) asking that something be done to either give players an opt out or--failing that--to remove the forced emotes altogether.
Well I've boycotted turbine points in protest. Too bad, too. There were a few damn good deals I probably would have sprung for, had the situation been otherwise. I'm a lifer, so really I don't need to buy their points at all, but I have been. This time, bad changes resulted in lost revenue. Maybe that will get their attention for once.
Forced emotes are fun and should defenetly go back to the way they were!
Are we going to let some spoiled children and no life g33ks that are too proud of their char getting black glove slapped..uuu poor babies!
Also let me remind you this is a MMORPG...therefore player interaction is a must! Otherwise TURBINE just stop charging and release development kit for the game so we can make our own free servers!
Well there is still hope that maybe oneday there will be an adult mmorpg, with lots of gore and finish moves and more action gameplay.
Ooo... Awkward. This must be the forum equivalent of a relatively mainstream politician (or at least one wanting to appear so) getting endorsed by an extremist group.
"Yet there may be a light beyond the darkness; and if so, I would have you see it and be glad."
Seems like this practically encourages users to go out and create a second free account, obtain some external keyboard macro software, log in both clients, and let it run overnight using the items while afk. Strange that they would code this in such a way that the ideal method for completing the deed potentially involves Terms of Service violations.
Not all those who wander are lost. They might be working on one of their exploration deeds.
The new forums stink on ice. Let others follow them who can.
Forced emotes are fun and should defenetly go back to the way they were!
Sure...but only *after* an "opt out" flag is provided. For all I care, you can have no cool down at all...once I get the ability NOT to be affected by them.
Are we going to let some spoiled children and no life g33ks that are too proud of their char getting black glove slapped..uuu poor babies!
I see... You consider everyone elses characters to be your private plaything. Sorry...there are real people behind those characters and they have just as much right to play the game the way they see fit as you do. In the classic expression, your freedom to swing your fist ends where someone elses nose begins.
Also let me remind you this is a MMORPG...therefore player interaction is a must!
Besides your misreading the meaning of MMORPG, no one is advocating eliminating player interaction. All that is being asked for is some restraints on specific types of player interaction. Ones where the actions of one character *forces* actions of another. It may have escaped your attention that sparring requests, fellowship requests and kinship requests can be blocked and that PvMP is purely consensual. Forced emotes are not consensual on the part of the target. It is that last that needs to be rectified.
Well there is still hope that maybe oneday there will be an adult mmorpg, with lots of gore and finish moves and more action gameplay.
That would be a teenaged game, and there are plenty of them already. And it *would* be nice to see a truly adult game...one where social interactions were forced to be civilized and polite, but I don't think the state of the art is up to that yet.
Neither "side" of the forced emote argument is happy about what the devs have come up with as seemingly their "solution". That's pretty clear throughout all the threads about this topic. One "side" wants to have an opt-out toggle, which, using your own words from a prior post, is a reasonable solution for all involved. The other "side" wants what Heydt has termed "unrestricted use", the ability to use the forced emote on whomever they choose, with a lower CD. That solution is not reasonable for all involved-- it's still one-sided. An opt-out, which has been suggested over and over again, allows everyone to play their own game in the manner which they so choose.
What I want - and, I believe, what most people complaining here want, given that this is the forum to talk about deeds - is just to finish the blasted deeds. It's not my desire to spam other players with those things on cooldown. I just won't stop before getting the deeds.
I don't care at all about the cooldown itself or the fact only one item is usable at a time, except to the extent it gets between me and the deed. If the time to get the deed was actually still reasonable - for example, if the deed had been lowered to 50 usages when the cooldown changed, or if it was possible to just turn the missing consumables to an NPC and get the deed - I wouldn't be complaining.
Unless/until that changes, I will be spamming those things on cooldown on whichever likely targets I find. I try to keep to targets that won't notice (AFK players) or be affected (such as mounted players; the counters tick, but the player is mostly unaffected), but if I can't find one of those, everyone is fair game; after all, the game is a package, you sign for the whole, including the chance of being targeted by emotes/consumables.
Regarding why I'm not using a dual box setup to avoid using the consumables on strangers: because it's not feasible anymore. The 10 hours that I would need to take care of all deeds simultaneously, before the change, was long but doable; the 25 hours per consumable is not really feasible. Since Turbine made the alternative that doesn't inconvenience anyone so much work to complete, I went back to the way Turbine apparently intended from the start: spamming other players. At least I can play while spamming other players, after all.
What I want - and, I believe, what most people complaining here want, given that this is the forum to talk about deeds - is just to finish the blasted deeds. It's not my desire to spam other players with those things on cooldown. I just won't stop before getting the deeds.
I have a suspicion that the increased common cool down may have more to do with cutting down the number of harassment tickets the GMs have to deal with than the requests in the forums for an "opt out" feature.
Unless/until that changes, I will be spamming those things on cooldown on whichever likely targets I find. I try to keep to targets that won't notice (AFK players) or be affected (such as mounted players; the counters tick, but the player is mostly unaffected), but if I can't find one of those, everyone is fair game; after all, the game is a package, you sign for the whole, including the chance of being targeted by emotes/consumables.
Hmmm... That attitude is every bit as reasonable as what I see from my 3-year-old grandson. When you can't find your preferred target...any target will do. Nothing is to get in the way of getting what you want. Do you also lie down on the floor, scream, and kick when you don't get your way?
Tell you what...*after* Turbine implements an "opt out" feature, you can have to cool downs separated at set as short as you'd like. In the mean time, do the dual box set up when you have time. An hour or so a day and you'll have your deeds fairly soon, and with less pain for everybody.
Update on these consummables post update 5.2 (Feb 13, 2012)....
Can someone confirm that none of the consummables now share a cooldown? Does anyone have lots of different types left in their bags from the Yule Fest?
A kinmate had D.R.A.G.O.N. (Spring), Gross Bugs (Fall), and Fire-Breathing (Summer) and used them all on me this morning in about 5 seconds. Each of them were on a 5 minute cooldown timer, but each timer was independent of the others.
So I'm trying to figure out if 1) they got rid of the shared cooldown feature altogether or if 2) the shared cooldown is only for consummables of the same festival now.
Update on these consummables post update 5.2 (Feb 13, 2012)....
Can someone confirm that none of the consummables now share a cooldown? Does anyone have lots of different types left in their bags from the Yule Fest?
A kinmate had D.R.A.G.O.N. (Spring), Gross Bugs (Fall), and Fire-Breathing (Summer) and used them all on me this morning in about 5 seconds. Each of them were on a 5 minute cooldown timer, but each timer was independent of the others.
So I'm trying to figure out if 1) they got rid of the shared cooldown feature altogether or if 2) the shared cooldown is only for consummables of the same festival now.
Thanks for the info!
I foresee a rise in the number of harassment tickets filed....
AFAIK, shared cooldown only applied to the winter fest items. Also, skills earned from previous fests don't use that CD and can be spammed, with the whole set taking maybe 20 seconds.
What you reported is not a change that I'm aware of.
Update on these consummables post update 5.2 (Feb 13, 2012)....
Can someone confirm that none of the consummables now share a cooldown? Does anyone have lots of different types left in their bags from the Yule Fest?
A kinmate had D.R.A.G.O.N. (Spring), Gross Bugs (Fall), and Fire-Breathing (Summer) and used them all on me this morning in about 5 seconds. Each of them were on a 5 minute cooldown timer, but each timer was independent of the others.
So I'm trying to figure out if 1) they got rid of the shared cooldown feature altogether or if 2) the shared cooldown is only for consummables of the same festival now.
Thanks for the info!
Yes, some people still have LOTS of festival consumables in their bags because some people "think" the way to avoid a problem is to limit the freedom of the rest.
Maybe we must ask our comrade commissars to forbid the use of computers, since some use them to grief others comrades. /sarcasm off
Anyways, some consumables share 5 minute cooldown, others have 2 min cooldown not shared. The skills have 1 minute cooldown not shared.
And of course if I get hit by any of these emotes I'm old enough to realize that the other player is not in the world just to grief me. Not that egocentric.
Also I believe I'm smart enough to manage these "problems" without raising a harassment ticket too.
/edit @<hiddenkids>: you can give me all the -rep you want. I'm not scared of saying my opinion. Infact you only valid my point.
/edit2
- D.R.A.G.O.N. Consumable does not share cooldown, 2 minutes (not sure). I know this because I saved a pile (already used) from the last Spring event.
- Spider, Coveritol, Frosty beverages still have independent 2 minutes cooldown
- Snowballs 3 sec cooldown
- Essence of the Toad (summer festival) share the 5 minute cooldown
Yes, some people still have LOTS of festival consumables in their bags because some people "think" the way to avoid a problem is to limit the freedom of the rest.
It appears to have escaped your attention that the primary request has been for an "opt out" feature so that those that like to use or be targeted by forced emotes can have their fun and those that do NOT wish to participate don't have to.
The longer/shared cool downs was NOT a request from players, it is purely Turbine's idea.
/edit @<hiddenkids>: you can give me all the -rep you want. I'm not scared of saying my opinion. Infact you only valid my point.
I don't give negative rep. If a post deserves it, I report it. Your post is no where near the level that warrants a report.
It appears to have escaped your attention that the primary request has been for an "opt out" feature so that those that like to use or be targeted by forced emotes can have their fun and those that do NOT wish to participate don't have to.
The longer/shared cool downs was NOT a request from players, it is purely Turbine's idea.
I never said that was "players" idea. But the constant angriness and boicot threads of some players forced devs to make a fast decision. Bring this topic to the top again is artificial too because nothing has changed since the last 5 minutes shared cooldown addition.
In other words what I'm seeing here "again", since not everything has a 5 minutes shared cooldown, because that is the final goal, hit us in the deep or just make devs to delete the whole thing: "if we dont have what we want we will boicot the game".
Also I even stated that the graphical ignore function is not an option. Because being in a mmo game require tolerance with, different ages, cultures, languages, even those things we dont like.
Sometimes I really want Turbine's people develop a way to just delete of my screen someone who his only presence affect my "gaming experience". BUT that is not an option either.
I already confirmed in crowded areas that the ignore function doesnt work with all the emote sounds. Also there is no way to prevent someone jumping endlessly in front of you, light a campfire, doing suspicious movements behind you while playing music, etc.
Also I stated the "no ones control my character" is a falacy because is the server who control the character, there are aspects when others can affect gaming experiences too, by sounds, buff, skills, etc.
Also I said people who use these planned, programmed and implemented emote consumables are not harassers and grieffers by nature, we dont deserved to be treated like that. I wont accept and I hope this will be my last post about it.
Also I said there is a tool for deal with harassers: The report function. If it doesnt work (no idea, my hobby is not reporting people) then that is another problem.
I say too, the report function must be reserved for serious threats. "We" dont like GMs be wasting their time with childish things, not everytime someone barks: "a GM' please, somebody help me"
Originally Posted by whheydt
I don't give negative rep. If a post deserves it, I report it. Your post is no where near the level that warrants a report.
I never said you did.
This is not the first time I've got bad rep points about my "forced emote" posts. I dont care about the points either. I'm not doing this for points.
The thing that I wont accept is the coward attitude of who think (and unfortunately they have the rep power) they can "shut down" other opinions hitting a button and without saying a word. If they do this to me is probably they do the same with others who really care about points.
I've been in this online gaming business for many years and I know how some egos grow behind the screen, others who think they must have "special treatment". Unfortunately,many times they get it.
Spring Festival is up and running, and there are only two Festival Consumable Deeds: Doom Shrooms and D.R.A.G.O.N. The good news is that they do NOT share a cooldown. However, both have 5 minute cooldowns still. Also, Doom Shrooms do NOT require a target, while D.R.A.G.O.N. does.
Spring Festival is up and running, and there are only two Festival Consumable Deeds: Doom Shrooms and D.R.A.G.O.N. The good news is that they do NOT share a cooldown. However, both have 5 minute cooldowns still. Also, Doom Shrooms do NOT require a target, while D.R.A.G.O.N. does.
hmm, that's it?
After last festival where I had like 6 to get thru and took hours, this is gonna feel underwhelming. I was really looking forward to this festival as pvp has been AWFUL lately as well as the PvE.
Does that bring the total to 21 skills? I'll check when I get off. Been at work since festival went live
We really need snowballs and feathers to be skills and not items rotting in my vault.
After last festival where I had like 6 to get thru and took hours, this is gonna feel underwhelming. I was really looking forward to this festival as pvp has been AWFUL lately as well as the PvE.
Does that bring the total to 21 skills? I'll check when I get off. Been at work since festival went live
We really need snowballs and feathers to be skills and not items rotting in my vault.
At the moment all the consumeables from the last festival (Yule) are lying rotting in my vault, waiting for the devs to change the cooldowns/shared cooldowns. Soon to be added: 300 D.R.A.G.O.N's and 300 Doom-shrooms.
I'm seriously thinking of starting a petition to get Turbine to do something about this, as it seriously screws up the game for people who love doing deeds like me (completionists, deed-grinders, whatever you want to call us).
Have not read the whole thread so dont know if anything like this has been suggested.
Leave the new cool down as it is which should stop the spam emoting that has been annoying everyone since these deeds were introduced.
However to allow people to complete these deeds a bit quicker maybe do the following.
With the opening up of building interiors in Bree maybe they could use one of these rooms for a cooldown free emote room. Have it so the cooldown on festival items does not apply here and put in an NPC that you can do the emotes on. Surely that should not be to hard for them to design and seems to be a good way to keep both sides of the camp happy. No more getting spammed by emotes and an out of the way place for people to get the deeds done.
Or failing that put in a housing decoration that you can emote on that can be easily obtained via festival barter tokens.
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