I want an end to forced emotes. I don't like god-play with my toons. I don't like the nasty responses I get if I politely ask the caster to stop. I just start avoiding the festival areas because they are slums of emote muggers there.
On Landroval we have players who have publicly admitting using these emotes as tools for the purpose of griefing role players. The GMs won't help. The devs seem to be deaf to our pleas.
I just don't get it honestly. I mean, there has to be something done. I am absolutely sick of watching friends leave the game over this issue.
"Accept the things to which fate binds you, and love the people with whom fate brings you together, but do so with all your heart." - Marcus Aelius Aurelius
If you haven't seen the threads... Or simply the new breed of player who is abusing tricks...Read the threads in General Discussion!
Give people a way to opt out, or give me the option to have an anti-emo available, sayyyy.... bash their face in. or electrocution ?
I've simply had ENOUGH!
How are they abuseing them? They are useing them the way they were intended. You do realize some of the forced emotes have a deed that goes with them right? Plus the fact that they only work on other players and not NPC's makes it worse. In the end all you can do is try to live with it. Trust me I have been here since SoA Alpha and I know how you feel.
How are they abuseing them? They are useing them the way they were intended.
Really? You work for Turbine and know how they were intended to be used? Please enlighten the rest of us with your inside knowledge of the intended use of these infernal forced emotes...
You do realize some of the forced emotes have a deed that goes with them right? Plus the fact that they only work on other players and not NPC's makes it worse.
Yes... and solutions to that conundrum have been posted several times already. One is to get together with like-minded friends and force emote each other as much as you (collectively) like. If you can't find a mutual abuse group, then create an f2p account and log in a character from it and use your items on *that* character until you complete the deed(s) you want.
There is NO excuse for targeting random people who want no part of what you are doing and do NOT consider it to be "fun" to be treated as part of the game "furniture".
In short...take your forced emotes and shove them where the sun don't shine.
Really? You work for Turbine and know how they were intended to be used? Please enlighten the rest of us with your inside knowledge of the intended use of these infernal forced emotes...
Yes... and solutions to that conundrum have been posted several times already. One is to get together with like-minded friends and force emote each other as much as you (collectively) like. If you can't find a mutual abuse group, then create an f2p account and log in a character from it and use your items on *that* character until you complete the deed(s) you want.
There is NO excuse for targeting random people who want no part of what you are doing and do NOT consider it to be "fun" to be treated as part of the game "furniture".
In short...take your forced emotes and shove them where the sun don't shine.
--W. H. Heydt
Old Used Programmer
I know that you're bothered by these things, and I don't begrudge you (or anyone) wanting an opt-out of some sort, but given that many of the festival "emotes" are pranks, by definition they're intended to be used on unwitting or unwilling targets.
"Sam thinks it a queer place, but I think he likes it, too." - Frodo
"If you're in advertising or marketing, kill yourself." - Bill Hicks
I know that you're bothered by these things, and I don't begrudge you (or anyone) wanting an opt-out of some sort, but given that many of the festival "emotes" are pranks, by definition they're intended to be used on unwitting or unwilling targets.
Okay.... If you want to class them as "pranks", then lets pull out and modify a suggestion that gets floated from time to time. Allow me to set an "autoretaliation for forced emotes". "Prank" me, and the riposte will be a one-shot, no miss, auto kill attack. That way, you can try another "prank"....when you get back from the rally circle.
Okay.... If you want to class them as "pranks", then lets pull out and modify a suggestion that gets floated from time to time. Allow me to set an "autoretaliation for forced emotes". "Prank" me, and the riposte will be a one-shot, no miss, auto kill attack. That way, you can try another "prank"....when you get back from the rally circle.
It's all in good fun... Right?
--W. H. Heydt
Old Used Programmer
If you feel that the proper response to getting your house TP'ed is to shoot to kill, then okay.
"Sam thinks it a queer place, but I think he likes it, too." - Frodo
"If you're in advertising or marketing, kill yourself." - Bill Hicks
If you feel that the proper response to getting your house TP'ed is to shoot to kill, then okay.
well if in RL we also had auto rez circles then YES YES I would.
But since this is a game and all in FUN (according to you forced emote griefers)
This is Much more along the Lines of letting the Pit Bull out to Play with those who TPed the house.
I do not know what I want I must consult with Floon who will tell me.Turbine reduced aggro range.Noticed too many players run away from mobs.Wonder how many were escaping unwanted XP gain.
If you feel that the proper response to getting your house TP'ed is to shoot to kill, then okay.
Your character doesn't die, he just gets morally broken. Kind of like when you haul the punk who TP'ed your house home to his dad, who grounds him for a month. (I can dream, can't I?)
The problem is that the game, unlike real life, allows no repercussion to the emote user when their 'attention' is unwanted and unappreciated. Said repercussion is the reason that pranking of random strangers is not rampant in real life; the average Joe doesn't want to risk the consequences of annoying random people they don't know. The game is missing any such ameliorative factor. Either one needs to be added, or we need an opt-out.
I know, I said I quit, so why am I posting? 'Cause there ain't no Blogorette patch.
well if in RL we also had auto rez circles then YES YES I would.
But since this is a game and all in FUN (according to you forced emote griefers)
This is Much more along the Lines of letting the Pit Bull out to Play with those who TPed the house.
I'm not sure why you're grouping me in with the "forced emote griefers" - I was merely trying to address the probable intention of the items - especially considering that they made their debut (AFAIK) with the Haunted Burrow event, which had a whole Halloween theme, and one of the traditions of Halloween is pranking people.
The only one of these items that I've even bothered to collect and try to get the deed for is the Doom Shrooms, and that's only because I had over 1,000 Farmer's Faire tickets and nothing else to spend them on after I got the housing decorations that I wanted. Mostly I use them by myself when nobody else is around.
My apologies for trying to interject some reason into an overly emotional discussion about a video game.
Kudos on the "with us or against us" attitude, though.
"Sam thinks it a queer place, but I think he likes it, too." - Frodo
"If you're in advertising or marketing, kill yourself." - Bill Hicks
I'm not sure why you're grouping me in with the "forced emote griefers" - I was merely trying to address the probable intention of the items - especially considering that they made their debut (AFAIK) with the Haunted Burrow event, which had a whole Halloween theme, and one of the traditions of Halloween is pranking people.
The only one of these items that I've even bothered to collect and try to get the deed for is the Doom Shrooms, and that's only because I had over 1,000 Farmer's Faire tickets and nothing else to spend them on after I got the housing decorations that I wanted. Mostly I use them by myself when nobody else is around.
My apologies for trying to interject some reason into an overly emotional discussion about a video game.
Kudos on the "with us or against us" attitude, though.
I thought it was a perfectly legitimate response. You're saying you're fine with using forced emotes on others whether it's wanted or not. Just because they are in the game doesn't make it right. It could be that the devs assumed they'd be used for fun among friends instead of intentionally ruining events and annoying strangers.
I'm sick and tired of it, and after all the grieving that has been going on, Turbine should put a stop to it.
I thought it was a perfectly legitimate response. You're saying you're fine with using forced emotes on others whether it's wanted or not. Just because they are in the game doesn't make it right. It could be that the devs assumed they'd be used for fun among friends instead of intentionally ruining events and annoying strangers.
I'm sick and tired of it, and after all the grieving that has been going on, Turbine should put a stop to it.
I've never said that I'm fine with using forced emotes on others. All I said was that I suspect that they were intended to be used as pranks, and that pranks are, by definition, done to folks who may not appreciate it. I don't think that I've ever come out in favor of or against the things, although I did just admit to using one of them on myself when (ideally) nobody else is around, so it may even be that I don't support the idea of using them on strangers.
Heck, earlier in the thread I even commiserated with the folks who are put out by these things by saying that development for the Store seems to take precedence over quality-of-life development for players (i.e., apparel dummies were added, yet no opt-out toggle appears to be on the horizon).
I won't accept poor comprehension as a perfectly legitimate response, sorry.
"Sam thinks it a queer place, but I think he likes it, too." - Frodo
"If you're in advertising or marketing, kill yourself." - Bill Hicks
Okay.... If you want to class them as "pranks", then lets pull out and modify a suggestion that gets floated from time to time. Allow me to set an "autoretaliation for forced emotes". "Prank" me, and the riposte will be a one-shot, no miss, auto kill attack. That way, you can try another "prank"....when you get back from the rally circle.
It's all in good fun... Right?
--W. H. Heydt
Old Used Programmer
I like it. It'd be great, but not as great as an opt-out feature so you don't get pranked in the first place. An opt-out would be the equivalent of putting the pit bull in front of your house so it doesn't get TP'd.
Estellost, loving husband of the wonderful Shinarra
One is to get together with like-minded friends and force emote each other as much as you (collectively) like. If you can't find a mutual abuse group, then create an f2p account and log in a character from it and use your items on *that* character until you complete the deed(s) you want.
Thats pretty much impossile after the cooldown got shared and increased to 5 minutes. Unless you want to do 25 hours of non AFK right-clicking "fun" per deed.
I still have not done a single deed from the halloween event on my captain, so i will keep using them on everyone i come across for the next few years to come (followed by a captain buff; so far the complaints were minimal, some even thanked me ).
My minstrel was done with all of the event items before the halloween event was over and since has only used these emotes as a "revenge" emote (or to people who really earned them).
But i can see why those emotes are disliked (the falling over part) by many but i still like them and don't get the people who complain about the purely visual ones.
I still think the best solution would be:
Remove all the fainting, cowering, etc. keeping only the visual effects
Remove the cooldown on the items (Get emoted during the event or all year long? Your choice.)
Increase the cooldown on the skill to 5-10 minutes
You probably didn't notice or already forgot, but the winter event had an emote deed with snowballs. They had a 3 second cooldown and were purely visual. I have yet to see a single complaint about them.
Since forced emote griefers have gotten the green light with solid immunity,why aren't they using them to their advantage? I don't attend festivals or faires but if you used this at say the horse race on your opponent and he couldn't finish in time(the lie down one). or two people going for the same egg fire dragons one so he loses sight of it. any festival quest with a timer could be griefed. someone on the way to a drunken hobbit gets layed down and someone clicks the hobbit first. there are so many possibilities. but make it so it only works during festivals and faires.
I would really like to see an opt out or a nuking of forced emotes. But until that time comes i believe we are going about it the wrong way. encourage it so it spreads rampant. Point out places where it can grieve people. Make it so it is a nightmare for them and then they will do something about it.
I know this post seems a little strange...but what has been tried so far hasn't helped.
So don't place a pile of cow flop on my plate and tell me its tenderloin!
You do realize you don't have an opponent in the horse race? Unless you mean in pvp when wargs and mounted freeps race after each other :P (in which forced emotes can't be used btw, they're disabled in pvp)
The Egg Scramble quest has emotes disabled once the game starts and honestly the only good time to run it is when there are no other ppl there. Even if you run it solo you have little chance to win. Running the quest while there are other ppl about is asking for it to fail (3 tries a day, so got to make the best of them). Same goes for the mushroom quest (though it's easier to get that area solo as most ppl hate that one with a passion)
Knocking down someone on his way to a drunk hobbit would be hard and pointless. The hobbits tend to either be more or less all drunk or all sober. If there's 1 drunk hobbit then there'll be plenty drunk hobbits for ppl to click, if not there's nothing to compete for. Apart from that, the only emote that does knock down was a consumable from halloween so few ppl still have those and most ppl don't use consumables once the deed is done.
Duskdancer, warg: If found please return to Gwairin, lvl 65 hunter in Evernight
Dawnsinger, warg: Currently working as police dog in Moors with the Angmar Inquisition
All I said was that I suspect that they were intended to be used as pranks, and that pranks are, by definition, done to folks who may not appreciate it.
Originally Posted by TheCodeOfConduct
4. While playing the Game or participating in related services, you may not exhibit or partake in behavior that is disruptive to the Game’s normal playability, causes grief or alarm to other players, or degrades the service performance or other players’ client software (for example, deliberately using game bugs or loopholes to disrupt the game or dropping excessive items).
28. You may not restrict or inhibit any other user from using and enjoying the Game or related services. For example, disrupting the flow of chat in chat rooms with vulgar language, abusiveness, hitting the return key repeatedly, inputting excessively large images so the screen goes by too fast to read, use of excessive SHOUTING (all caps) in an attempt to disturb other users, “spamming,” or “scrolling” (continuous posting repetitive text), are prohibited.
The pranks are in violation of the CoC. Not that Turbine cares.
The pranks are in violation of the CoC. Not that Turbine cares.
Again, I'm mostly in favor of those whose lives are turned upside down by these things getting some sort of opt-out, but I don't see how any of what you quoted applies, at least not to one person using one festival emote on one person then moving on. Someone who purposely follows around the same person and harasses them? Yes - but in that case the festival emotes are no different than the class skills like Boast or Command Respect, or the person using /dance_man2 with his crotch in your face while you're crafting.
I find it hard to believe that anyone seriously believes that Turbine purposely added an item that violates its own CoC.
Regardless, I guess the part that you're focusing on in what you quoted is:
28. You may not restrict or inhibit any other user from using and enjoying the Game or related services.
Player A enjoys using the occasional festival emote on a stranger. Player B enjoys a festival emote-free environment. Whose enjoyment matters more? I understand that it's common to believe that one's preferences and opinions are more valid than those of people who feel differently, but in this case neither player should feel that his enjoyment is more important than the other player's.
As a final note just to you: do you plan to berate anyone in this thread who has threatened to quit over these things into deleting their toons like you did to that poor lifetimer a while back, or is that behavior only reserved for people you disagree with? After seeing that display and the fact that you're still posting, I may have to agree with you that Turbine maybe doesn't care as much for it's CoC as we all would like.
"Sam thinks it a queer place, but I think he likes it, too." - Frodo
"If you're in advertising or marketing, kill yourself." - Bill Hicks
Regardless, I guess the part that you're focusing on in what you quoted is:
Player A enjoys using the occasional festival emote on a stranger. Player B enjoys a festival emote-free environment. Whose enjoyment matters more? I understand that it's common to believe that one's preferences and opinions are more valid than those of people who feel differently, but in this case neither player should feel that his enjoyment is more important than the other player's.
Player B's enjoyment of the game does not negatively impact Player A's enjoyment of the game. However, in your example, Player A's enjoyment of the game DOES negatively impact Player B's enjoyment of the game.
It's not a matter of importance, it's a matter of not ruining another player's enjoyment of the game.
"Accept the things to which fate binds you, and love the people with whom fate brings you together, but do so with all your heart." - Marcus Aelius Aurelius
Unlike us they are not bound to the EULA & CoC. So that rule does not apply to them.
True enough...but it *does* apply to other players...and isn't enforced in the case of forced emotes. Let's see now...in the real world what happens when authority gets caught doing selective enforcement?
True enough...but it *does* apply to other players...and isn't enforced in the case of forced emotes. Let's see now...in the real world what happens when authority gets caught doing selective enforcement?
--W. H. Heydt
Old Used Programmer
In the U.S.? Nothing, usually. Glenn Greenwald's "With Liberty and Justice for Some" illustrates that point quite nicely.
"Sam thinks it a queer place, but I think he likes it, too." - Frodo
"If you're in advertising or marketing, kill yourself." - Bill Hicks
Players who use forced emotes on other players are not only a royal pain in the butt, they are anti-social, irresponsible, selfish and should be banned from the game. I am sick and tired of having my gaming ruined just so that these ignorant children can behave like total .......
So far I have been hit while crafting, while farming, in festival areas, in towns, in open countryside. I have had a character die at level 19 and lose its undying chance because of forced emotes when I was engaged in combat. I have had several characters on time limited quests fail because of being hit with forced emotes and after running all the bloody way from Rivendell to Thorin's with a delivery, to fail at the end because of being forced to faint half a dozen times totally peeved me to say the least! I have been hit with them while sparring with a friend (we both were hit with them).
I have heard it said that I should join in the spirit or the occasion and emote them back. Well I am sorry, but I am not so mean spirited and ignorant as to want to forcibly interrupt other players' enjoyment of the game. I leave that to anyone who is so selfish and mean-spirited as to be happy to damage and vandalize other players' gaming enjoyment. Because that is exactly what those people who use the forced emotes on unsuspecting players are, vandals! They don't care if they are ruining things for others, they don't care if they damage other players' enjoyment, just so long as they get their personal enjoyment/fix. They care for nobody but themselves and certainly not for their innocent victims.
If you feel that the proper response to getting your house TP'ed is to shoot to kill, then okay.
That would be trespassing and malicious mischief, and can get you up to 5 years. {I agreed to do the clean up and got 18 months probation}.
Would I shot to kill? No. Wound I put a round in the ground in hopes the trespassers would lose control of their bodily functions? Oh hell ya, 3 or 4.{small rural town, with no damages or injuries it's just a $100 fine for discharging the fire arm lol}
I will repeat my previous post just to keep everyone up.
I used to think that forced emotes were funny. All I had seen of them was a couple of times doing the riverdance stomp in the AH. Then one day I was jogging along and caught a player using forced emotes to virtually &&&& an AFK player. Now as far as I'm concerned they should be removed from the game all together.
No I don't leave any of my characters AFK now. If I'm stepping away from the game for even a minute, I log out. Think about it, you step away for a biobrake in a quite no mob area and end up being away from the game to 10 minutes or so, just what might some other player be doing with forced emotes to your character?
So far I have been hit while crafting, while farming, in festival areas, in towns, in open countryside. I have had a character die at level 19 and lose its undying chance because of forced emotes when I was engaged in combat. I have had several characters on time limited quests fail because of being hit with forced emotes and after running all the bloody way from Rivendell to Thorin's with a delivery, to fail at the end because of being forced to faint half a dozen times totally peeved me to say the least! I have been hit with them while sparring with a friend (we both were hit with them).
Im in favor of giving players a toggle so we can choose if we want to have others impose thier emotes on us or not. I think its reasonable but alas, its turbine players arent priority one. In your case it would appear based on the quoted comment you are being targeted which is harrasment. You could report it, they wont do anything of course but you could try.
Just looks like you've been targeted a lot, if all thats true...
Im in favor of giving players a toggle so we can choose if we want to have others impose thier emotes on us or not. I think its reasonable but alas, its turbine players arent priority one. In your case it would appear based on the quoted comment you are being targeted which is harrasment. You could report it, they wont do anything of course but you could try.
Just looks like you've been targeted a lot, if all thats true...
Apparently it is not harassment if it is not all from the same player, just acceptable gameplay by Turbine's standards. But hey, when have they ever cared about their customers?
But hey, when have they ever cared about their customers?
When revenues are affected. Its not a hard relationship to understand, we consume their product. They need us more then we need them. Players put up with the emotes because they "love the game", well thats their fault then isnt it? Forced emotes are part of the game, people still consume it. Whats the problem?
I know from trying to do slayer deeds with my 2nd account while doing festival deeds with my main char that you can't target a player in combat with a forced emote. There are probably many ways to bother a player in combat (never actually tried) but not forced emotes.
Theoretically you could use a non-target forced emote near someone in combat but I'm 99% sure the person in combat would be unaffected.
That said, if you want a toggle, then sure. If I still get a credit for using the emote then it doesn't matter to me at least if my target actually doesn't know a forced emote was even used.
Duskdancer, warg: If found please return to Gwairin, lvl 65 hunter in Evernight
Dawnsinger, warg: Currently working as police dog in Moors with the Angmar Inquisition
I know from trying to do slayer deeds with my 2nd account while doing festival deeds with my main char that you can't target a player in combat with a forced emote. There are probably many ways to bother a player in combat (never actually tried) but not forced emotes.
Theoretically you could use a non-target forced emote near someone in combat but I'm 99% sure the person in combat would be unaffected.
That said, if you want a toggle, then sure. If I still get a credit for using the emote then it doesn't matter to me at least if my target actually doesn't know a forced emote was even used.
You are not actually in combat as far as the game is concerned until damage has been caused by one side or the other. Being hit with a stupid forced emote when there is an elite mob bearing down on you is acceptable in this game and by the time you recover you are already half bloody dead!
I know from trying to do slayer deeds with my 2nd account while doing festival deeds with my main char that you can't target a player in combat with a forced emote. There are probably many ways to bother a player in combat (never actually tried) but not forced emotes.
Theoretically you could use a non-target forced emote near someone in combat but I'm 99% sure the person in combat would be unaffected.
That said, if you want a toggle, then sure. If I still get a credit for using the emote then it doesn't matter to me at least if my target actually doesn't know a forced emote was even used.
One does not need to make someone faint, to make him die in combat. Fire off D.R.A.G.O.N, DoomShroom or something as flashy, and if the victim is on a poor gaming rig, his client will slow down, sometimes that is enough, if the fight is tough.
I tried to go festival with my other PC, at minimum specs. After a doomschroom was fired near festival barterer and ~10 PCs, client just crashed... My normal gaming rig takes that without a hitch.
PS. Still looking for a volunteers on Laurelin to test effects of Coveritol.
Thank you, Turbine, for listening and giving us an opt-out of FE! Good work!
Just for the record: I was a person who did not see anything against emotes as long as they did not were disrupting anything usefull (e.g crafting (especially scholar, who can craft anywhere), auction house, vault or something like this).
But since the consensus of the majority is OPT OUT or NO F<censored>G FORCED EMOTES I think the democratic conclusion should be: implement at least an OPT OUT, since then the majority of the players who responded here (which I think is also a majority of the players in real live, since many players will never act on the forums even if they don't like it) have their way. And an OPT OUT solution will not - if implemented correctly - disrupt deeds, since both participants do exactly what they like (One is throwing a forced emote to get a deed, the other is no interrupted by it)
Devs please do what the majority wants so we can end this friendly discussion ;-)
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