Thread: Time's up! Nuke "forced emotes"

Originally Posted by TheREALify

I meant exactly what I typed. I don't know how I can make this any clearer for you.

1. I don't like others having any degree of control over my character.
2. Festival Emotes provide ready tools for sociopaths.

These two points are not related except in that they are both true. I asked for an opt-out. Turbine failed to provide such an option (or even respond to the notion). Now I'm asking for something that seems simpler: the outright removal of all Festival Emotes.

1. The control over your character is only temporary and you can easily avoid it by moving location.
2. I`m sure that no harm will ever be caused by any festival emote

I strongly disagree with this. Anyway i don't see turbine using there time and money to change something just because there are a small group of players who disagree.

Originally Posted by Durgul

1. The control over your character is only temporary and you can easily avoid it by moving location.
2. I`m sure that no harm will ever be caused by any festival emote

The problem comes in being "forced" to change the rhythm of my game. Yes, my game. And of course, it is also your game. There are opt-outs for kinship and fellowship requests, opt-outs for spar and adoption requests. All those need is a simple click of a "no" button on a pop-up screen, yet there is an option to not even have that screen pop up. These don't "force" me to go somewhere else in the game to avoid being pranked. Other than the pop-up screen, there is no affecting my gameplay.

Originally Posted by Durgul

I strongly disagree with this. Anyway i don't see turbine using there time and money to change something just because there are a small group of players who disagree.

A small group of players can affect what happens in the game. Not everyone uses the festival tricks; most likely it is a small number of players. But it is enough to warrant this topic. Was it a majority of players who wanted coffee in the game? Probably not, yet there it is.

An opt-out toggle will not disallow the trickster from using their tricks. It simply allows me (and anyone else who chooses to use it) the ability to continue on with my game, while you play yours.

To be perfectly frank, I gave up reading posts in this thread after the first page, but honestly it blows my mind how crazy (and I mean foaming at the mouth crazy) people are getting over a cheesy, tiny part of this game.

There are other problems LotRO is having right now and "forced emotes" is probably not even on Turbine's secondary list of things to do and fix.

Originally Posted by whheydt

Do you also think that the "no spar", "no fellowship requests", and "no kinship requests" options should be removed from the game, or that there should be no constraints keeping the creeps in the Ettenmoors?

I want to know how these things are even remotely related. Especially the creep comment. It sounds as if you're so frustrated that you're just flinging darts at the wall with a blindfold on and hoping something sticks in a place you want it. Creeps being confined/constrained/what-have-you is not the same mechanic as opt out-related scenarios. Even the other three are different than the Festival emotes. They are based upon the mechanic of requests. You send a request to someone for one of the above and that's when the auto-decline kicks into effect. The emotes/consumables are more akin to being, say, stunned at the start of the Gorothúl fight in Sammath Gûl.

I'll admit there are times that I find the emotes can get annoying, but I simply move away and get over it. Like another person said here (early on), I'm never doing anything so important when the emote kicks in that I'm going to rage over it anfd feel "bullied". They're also never going to cause death or lead to mishaps in fighting, they're disabled in combat and unusable. So other than occasionally being annoying, these emotes are a silly little aspect of this game that a lot of people simply enjoy for the fun of it - not to "bully" others or to make their gaming life "difficult".

Originally Posted by xxforcardassia

To be perfectly frank, I gave up reading posts in this thread after the first page, but honestly it blows my mind how crazy (and I mean foaming at the mouth crazy) people are getting over a cheesy, tiny part of this game.

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I want to know how these things are even remotely related. Especially the creep comment. It sounds as if you're so frustrated that you're just flinging darts at the wall with a blindfold on and hoping something sticks in a place you want it. Creeps being confined/constrained/what-have-you is not the same mechanic as opt out-related scenarios. Even the other three are different than the Festival emotes. They are based upon the mechanic of requests. You send a request to someone for one of the above and that's when the auto-decline kicks into effect. The emotes/consumables are more akin to being, say, stunned at the start of the Gorothúl fight in Sammath Gûl.

I'm going to go out on a limb and assume you PvMP-- not hard to do, yes, I know. Seems to me you're getting all foamy around your warg lips by the comment about being constrained to the moors. And oh my--- it is such a "tiny" part of this game. To each his own, yes? An opt out is hardly an uncalled for feature, and wouldn't be terribly difficult to implement, since the codes for opting out of spar, kinship, fellowship and adoption requests already exists.

Drat...have to spread more rep around before I can +rep the Op...

--W. H. Heydt

Old Used Programmer

Originally Posted by Abiyah

wouldn't be terribly difficult to implement, since the codes for opting out of spar, kinship, fellowship and adoption requests already exists.

Copy and pasting, then editing code only works some of the time.

Signed, gets my full support and also +rep to the OP.

Originally Posted by Nindolvoth

This is the big issue here. FUN is dependent on a person's point of view. What is fun to one person may not be fun to another person. Turbine is not going to take away someone's fun. If they did then we will have threads like this, but from the opposite side.

If you realy believe what you wrote then I can assure you that you have simply no idea of what real fun is. Fun is something you do and have fun and if you do something fun to somebody else s/he is having fun as well which is good. However when you anoy somebody with something only you find funny then you don't have fun with somebody but you are making fun of somebody which is bad. So to give an end to this tedious and rediculous argument of "he is not asking for a toggle, he is asking for a removal". What people are asking for is clear and all of us here know what it is. Those who say they don't are just looking for ammunition to attack the posters who want those consumables removed. We ask to :

Make a toggle in the Social Panel options where we can enable/dissable forced emotes' effect on our character

OR

Remove festivals' consumables from the game.

Which of these two will be implemented is Turbine's choice.

Originally Posted by Nindolvoth

Try telling that to a completionist.

I am a completionist myself. However some deeds like the festival consumable ones realy do not worth of doing them and I believe that even if Turbine keeps the consumables (with the implemetation of a toogle of course) the deeds should get removed.

Originally Posted by Nindolvoth

Turbine did respond, festival consumables share a 5min cd. It may not be the response you wanted, but you got one.

I will give you an example why this so called "respond" does not solve the problem.

One boy is being anoyed by a bully. The boy goes to his teacher and complains about the bully's bad behavior so the teacher goes to the bully and says him "you are not allowed to anoy him again in a cooldown of 5 minutes".

Does it realy make sense ? Absolutely not
Does this solve the problem ? Absolutely not. The problem is being limited but it still exists. (this reffers to the excuses that festival consumables spamming is not happening frequently) They may not be a frequent problem but there it is still a problem.

The real sollution would have been for the teacher to forbid the bully to annoy again the boy once and for all.

Does it make sense for this to happen ? Yes it does
Will the bully be happy ? No he won't but who realy cares ? He was the one who created the problem. (this reffers to your statement that Turbine should not take away some people's fun). In fact these people created the problem so don't excpect them to be happy if the problem they willingly created is solved.

A confusion of definitions, on old old server 'forced' was the /me blabla

Originally Posted by whheydt

Drat...have to spread more rep around before I can +rep the Op...

--W. H. Heydt

Old Used Programmer

Funny, that's what happened to me when I tried to +rep your thread.

Oh Yea...+rep for the old phart Boraxxe...LOL!

Am I the only one who, really, doesn't care one way or another about these things? Seriously, I feel as if people are making a mountain out of a molehill on this.

Originally Posted by WingedDeath

Why should I try a single player game? I like this one. Because I don't want to play with others that makes me not "qualify" for this game based on your assumptions? Don't tell me to try single player games. I pay for this, I'll play it how I wish, not how you wish me to.

So you don't want anyone telling you how to play the game? But on the other hand, you are saying that you want others to not be able to use festival items, thus dictating how others should play the game. What right do you have to dictate their game experience?

Originally Posted by Abiyah

I'm going to go out on a limb and assume you PvMP-- not hard to do, yes, I know. Seems to me you're getting all foamy around your warg lips by the comment about being constrained to the moors. And oh my--- it is such a "tiny" part of this game. To each his own, yes? An opt out is hardly an uncalled for feature, and wouldn't be terribly difficult to implement, since the codes for opting out of spar, kinship, fellowship and adoption requests already exists.

Then I take it you didn't actually read all of my post. To avoid risk of repeating myself too much, "forced emotes" are not going to be in the same coding string as the spar/kin/fellow/adoption opt-outs.

And if you want a glimpse at how "small" the PvMP in this game is, check the server-specific PvMP forums as well as the general PvMP forums. I have a feeling you'd probably be surprised.

Originally Posted by Caspus

Am I the only one who, really, doesn't care one way or another about these things? Seriously, I feel as if people are making a mountain out of a molehill on this.

You are not alone...

Originally Posted by Caspus

Am I the only one who, really, doesn't care one way or another about these things? Seriously, I feel as if people are making a mountain out of a molehill on this.

If you don't care about it, then the molehill is a mountain, isn't it? An opt-out is a viable solution to a problem many people don't want to have to deal with.

And I see the opt-out threads and posts popping up regularly now.

Originally Posted by Ironcrown

Funny, that's what happened to me when I tried to +rep your thread.

Oh Yea...+rep for the old phart Boraxxe...LOL!

Sorted! Consider yourselves all +repped.

/signed and agree with the OP.

I've always hated these, and refuse to train any of those that are available as class skills.

Originally Posted by Abiyah

If you don't care about it, then the molehill is a mountain, isn't it? An opt-out is a viable solution to a problem many people don't want to have to deal with.

And I see the opt-out threads and posts popping up regularly now.

What exactly is the "problem" and how are you having to "deal" with it? What are these emotes preventing you from doing in game? What extra steps are necessary for you to "deal" with this "problem"?

Originally Posted by Aranglas

If you realy believe what you wrote then I can assure you that you have simply no idea of what real fun is. Fun is something you do and have fun

I do know what real fun is, I have fun every time I log in to lotro, watch a movie, jump on my trampoline

Originally Posted by Aranglas

you are making fun of somebody

I have never experienced this kind of fun from either side.

Originally Posted by Aranglas

One boy is being anoyed by a bully. The boy goes to his teacher and complains about the bully's bad behavior so the teacher goes to the bully and says him you are not allowed to anoy him again in a cooldown of 5 minutes.

Bullying can not be compared to festival consumables. They are two completely different things. Bullying is not tolerated where I live. I would guess it is not tolerated anywhere. A bully can ignore the teacher and keep on bullying the boy. Festival consumables can only be used every five minutes, there are no if ands or buts, the code will not let you use it.

Originally Posted by Razann

So you don't want anyone telling you how to play the game? But on the other hand, you are saying that you want others to not be able to use festival items, thus dictating how others should play the game. What right do you have to dictate their game experience?

/agree

+rep

very good and valid argument

Originally Posted by Caspus

Am I the only one who, really, doesn't care one way or another about these things? Seriously, I feel as if people are making a mountain out of a molehill on this.

Nah, that just means you're looking too close at the mountain and have found a mole living on it.

Originally Posted by Razann

What exactly is the "problem" and how are you having to "deal" with it? What are these emotes preventing you from doing in game? What extra steps are necessary for you to "deal" with this "problem"?

The problem is having control of my character lost, turned over to someone else without my consent. Currently, the only way to deal with it is to change the routine of my game (hence the use of the word "forced"). The only extra step necessary to deal with it is an opt-out toggle. Not too hard to understand, I'd think.

Originally Posted by Caspus

Am I the only one who, really, doesn't care one way or another about these things? Seriously, I feel as if people are making a mountain out of a molehill on this.

/agree

+rep

Originally Posted by Abiyah

The problem is having control of my character lost, turned over to someone else without my consent. Currently, the only way to deal with it is to change the routine of my game (hence the use of the word "forced"). The only extra step necessary to deal with it is an opt-out toggle. Not too hard to understand, I'd think.

So this is a matter of principal rather than of practicality. Because practically, these emotes have minimal to no affect on your character. Curious, what part of yoru routine needs to change to deal with this? To what extent are forced emotes preventing you from accomplishing anything in game?

Originally Posted by Razann

What are these emotes preventing you from doing in game?

Getting on a horse to wherever I need to go for one. Some emote spammers have turned up at the Stablemasters to make it harder / take longer to get on a horse (by having your character movement stopped to faint or stomp bugs or whatever).

A toggle item to choose not to be affected by forced emotes is not asking for the world you know. The devs created this issue, imho they should man up and offer a solution.

Originally Posted by Nindolvoth

I do know what real fun is, I have fun every time I log in to lotro, watch a movie, jump on my trampoline.

You don't seem to have the same opinion about yourself in the following post.

Originally Posted by Nindolvoth

This is the big issue here. FUN is dependent on a person's point of view. What is fun to one person may not be fun to another person. Turbine is not going to take away someone's fun. If they did then we will have threads like this, but from the opposite side.

Here you are actually trying to explain to somebody what fun is. How can someobdy who doesn't know what fun is try to explain what fun is to somebody else ?

Originally Posted by Nindolvoth

I have never experienced this kind of fun from either side.

Of course you didn't because you are obviously on the side of the ones who use these items and not on the side of the ones who have these items used on them at an anoying rate.

Originally Posted by Nindolvoth

Bullying can not be compared to festival consumables. They are two completely different things. Bullying is not tolerated where I live. I would guess it is not tolerated anywhere. A bully can ignore the teacher and keep on bullying the boy. Festival consumables can only be used every five minutes, there are no if ands or buts, the code will not let you use it.

Why it cannot. The people who use these items on others are actually bullying. They make fun of other players by anoying them. Also if you read my post more carefully since you obviously didn't you will understand why the 5 minute cooldown doesn't solve the problem.

Originally Posted by Razann

So you don't want anyone telling you how to play the game? But on the other hand, you are saying that you want others to not be able to use festival items, thus dictating how others should play the game. What right do you have to dictate their game experience?

He is not dictating others how they should play the game. He forbids others to play their game by making fun of him, something which is the most valid of all arguments.

Originally Posted by xxforcardassia

To be perfectly frank, I gave up reading posts in this thread after the first page, but honestly it blows my mind how crazy (and I mean foaming at the mouth crazy) people are getting over a cheesy, tiny part of this game.

The forced emotes (including the class ones) are the only things in the game that permit one character to take even temporary control of the actions of another character--whether the target wants that or not. It is that that is objectionable to some people. That the emotes get overused, used in ways designed to grief other players, some users will not cease when asked to, and generally act as annoying as possible with them just rubs salt in the wound.

There are other problems LotRO is having right now and "forced emotes" is probably not even on Turbine's secondary list of things to do and fix.

I agree that there are bigger problems. But when there is time to add coffee recipes, spend a year working on half an Instance Finder, and revamp the skirmish currency system, there is little excuse for not taking action on something that is this irritating to people, at least to the point of stating that it's a known "bug" and solutions are being sought.

I want to know how these things are even remotely related. Especially the creep comment. It sounds as if you're so frustrated that you're just flinging darts at the wall with a blindfold on and hoping something sticks in a place you want it. Creeps being confined/constrained/what-have-you is not the same mechanic as opt out-related scenarios. Even the other three are different than the Festival emotes. They are based upon the mechanic of requests. You send a request to someone for one of the above and that's when the auto-decline kicks into effect. The emotes/consumables are more akin to being, say, stunned at the start of the Gorothúl fight in Sammath Gûl.

The initial request for a forced emote "opt out" flag is based on the general mechanic of suppressing unwanted effects from other players. In the other cases the request causes a pop-up window that grabs cursor focus away from where it was assigned by the player. In the case of forced emotes, it would be suppressing character actions not chosen by the situation the player put his character in or otherwise not chosen by the player. The creeps being confined is a matter of not imposing open world PvMP on the unwilling. In all 5 cases, the commonality is prevention of effects the player does not want his character subjected to.

I'll admit there are times that I find the emotes can get annoying, but I simply move away and get over it.

To cite just one example, if you are crafting, should you "move away" first you will break the crafting chain you're doing, and second you will be unable to do further crafting, as you will have moved away from the crafting station.

Much more fundamentally, why should the burden be on the targeted character? Why shouldn't the burden be on the person using the forced emote item? Or, a bit more bluntly, what privileges to emoter to over the emotee?

Like another person said here (early on), I'm never doing anything so important when the emote kicks in that I'm going to rage over it anfd feel "bullied". They're also never going to cause death or lead to mishaps in fighting, they're disabled in combat and unusable. So other than occasionally being annoying, these emotes are a silly little aspect of this game that a lot of people simply enjoy for the fun of it - not to "bully" others or to make their gaming life "difficult".

There HAVE been reports--and it is probably a bug, if true--of forced emotes interfering with combat and causing defeat. There are reports of repeated emote use on people that have requested not to be emoted. If you move to break an emote effect during crafting, it breaks the crafting process.

My initial position was to permit those who enjoy the emotes to do so. It was a "live and let live" position. The resistance I've seen to an "opt out" amounts to fans of the forced emotes not sharing that attitude, but, rather, wishing to impose their view of the matter on me, and not permitting me to "live". Now, over six months down the road with no relief in sight, I don't think that the implementation of an "opt out" flag is being worked on, so it's on to "Plan B". Forced emotes need to be completely removed from the game. IF and WHEN Turbine has an "opt out" flag implemented, THEN putting the emotes back in will not generate any complaints from me. Indeed, if that happens, I will respond to complaint threads by pointing to the "opt out" flag as a (then) existing solution to the problems.

--W. H. Heydt

Old Used Programmer

Originally Posted by Razann

So this is a matter of principal rather than of practicality. Because practically, these emotes have minimal to no affect on your character. Curious, what part of yoru routine needs to change to deal with this? To what extent are forced emotes preventing you from accomplishing anything in game?

You play a game to have fun, yes? If there's a part of the game you don't enjoy, you don't do it... again, yes? With the forced emotes as they are now, it's something I don't enjoy, yet there's no way not to be involved in it--- other than avoiding towns or areas where the tricksters might gather. Hence that forces me to change the routine of my game, whether it be the hours of the day I log in to play, or where I go in-game. That takes the "fun level" down in the game for me. An opt-out solves that. It doesn't prevent the trickster from using their tricks. It simply lets me enjoy my own game, at no expense to anyone else.

Originally Posted by Jenara

Getting on a horse to wherever I need to go for one. Some emote spammers have turned up at the Stablemasters to make it harder / take longer to get on a horse (by having your character movement stopped to faint or stomp bugs or whatever).

A toggle item to choose not to be affected by forced emotes is not asking for the world you know. The devs created this issue, imho they should man up and offer a solution.

So, it takes you a few more seconds to get a horse. Okay, this is the first time I have seen where someone gave a practical example of how forced emotes directly affect gameplay. Otherwise I have just seen people indicating that they are annoying. There are many annoying behaviors in the game such as standing on top of vendors, ninja prospecting, fish slaps, etc, however like any situation involving other people, you cannot dictate behavior. People will always find a way to be annoying. Still, this is a point well taken and I'd be interested in hearing more instances of forced emotes affecting gameplay.

Originally Posted by Aranglas

Of course you didn't because you are obviously on the side of the ones who use these items and not on the side of the ones who have these items used on them at an anoying rate.

Originally Posted by Caspus

Am I the only one who, really, doesn't care one way or another about these things? Seriously, I feel as if people are making a mountain out of a molehill on this.

need more words

People use a forced slow on someone heading towards a node to harvest, so as to get there first. That in itself should be enough to take the forced emotes out of the game.

Originally Posted by Razann

So you don't want anyone telling you how to play the game? But on the other hand, you are saying that you want others to not be able to use festival items, thus dictating how others should play the game. What right do you have to dictate their game experience?

That's like saying the law is unfair to murders because it doesn't allow them to do what they enjoy doing. Griefing is not a legitimate or protected form of game play.

Originally Posted by Code of Conduct

4. While playing the Game or participating in related services, you may not exhibit or partake in behavior that is disruptive to the Game’s normal playability, causes grief or alarm to other players, or degrades the service performance or other players’ client software (for example, deliberately using game bugs or loopholes to disrupt the game or dropping excessive items).

This means that if you use the festival emotes on someone who does want to be your target - you (the perpetrator) are in the wrong. There is no grey area here. All players should comply with these guidelines. If players will not willingly follow the guidelines then they should be forced into complicity. An opt-out or the removal of the festival emotes would accomplish this goal. I've given up on the former and moved to requesting the latter.

OP, look at it this way.

With the current changes they did in the update (which royally annoys me) you are going to be forced emoted probably by more people and for a longer time period.

They made the timers on them 5 minutes instead of 2, and made them share a global timer rather than keep their own individual one. This means that emote people aren't going to care now who they target as they are just trying to get through... literally 25 hours of playing (minimum) to complete ONE emote skill.

So.. you can have fun complaining or help us get the timer changes reverted so the people that run around emoting people won't be doing it till spring of next year. You would like to see them less all the way around, yes?

OMG QQ seriously so much more to worry about then emotes which takes a WHOLE second to get out of it wow a whole second.

Originally Posted by Razann

So you don't want anyone telling you how to play the game? But on the other hand, you are saying that you want others to not be able to use festival items, thus dictating how others should play the game. What right do you have to dictate their game experience?

I would much prefer to have an "opt out" flag because that would not impose my preferences on anyone else, in spite of some others who wish to impose their idea of "fun" on me. However, since Turbine shows no sign of being willing (or, possibly, able) to implement such a feature, my only recourse is call for the removal of the forced emotes. It is a matter of the old legal principle that "your right to swing your fist ends where my nose begins". If those who wish to use forced emotes without regard to the willingness of their targets, and Turbine will not or can not implement an "opt out", then the only recourse in such a clash of rights is to eliminate the forced emote altogether.

I have said in other threads and I will repeat it here: If you like the forced emotes, it behooves you to strongly support an "opt out" flag, if for no other reason than that all other options will be worse for what you like.

--W. H. Heydt

Old Used Programmer

Originally Posted by Abiyah

People use a forced slow on someone heading towards a node to harvest, so as to get there first. That in itself should be enough to take the forced emotes out of the game.

That is another good example. Although, some classes have speed buffs that sort of accomplish the same thing and your argument could be used against those as well. I find those emote pranks annoying but they have never really affected me doing anything. Sometimes I find them quite funny. Reminds me of when friends pull practical jokes on me IRL. If people are really using them to the actual detriment (not annoyance) of others then they should probably be turned off or changed so that they don't slow you down or stop you.

Originally Posted by Nindolvoth

need more words

Yes there is need of more words. Because the poster you quoted simply said that he doesn't care. He didn't standed against the removal of festival consumables he just said that he doesn't care. You on the other hand tried in lots of posts to deffend festival consumables and now you run out of arguments and say that you don't care and that we overreacting but this is not discussing. This is just a tedious way in a desperate try to "deffend yourself".

Originally Posted by Thalifea

You are not alone...

*checks for stealthed wargs*

My two copper:

I'm working through a bunch of these because I want to have the skill clicky for some of them - not for griefing, but because it's fun to use them sparingly in social situations. Therefore, I can't support a removal of these items, because I like the novelty of them. Should Turbine cut the amount required for the deed down to 100, a lot of these issues would go away, because those of us that want the skills would grind out what we'd need, and then stop spamming them - because it annoys people. Sure, I've been doing drive-by's in Galtrev, but it's just to grind out stuff I need, and the targets are about as random as you can get.

What I will support is a toggle to prevent a player from being targetable. Another possibility is a 15 or 30 second debuff that's granted whenever someone is targeted by one of the forced emotes, which would also help to keep people from being griefed.

Originally Posted by whheydt

I agree that there are bigger problems. But when there is time to add coffee recipes, spend a year working on half an Instance Finder, and revamp the skirmish currency system, there is little excuse for not taking action on something that is this irritating to people, at least to the point of stating that it's a known "bug" and solutions are being sought.

I'll agree with you on the trivial nature of the coffee recipes.

Skirmish currency revamp was needed, because it simplified how you acquire goods from the skirmish camp. Turbine can list something in there, and not worry about people having the right level band items to get it, like what happened with the compendiums in the skirmish camp, effectively locking a lot of us out of those items, unless we wanted to hike to the Flaming Depths in Moria, or backtrack to Ost Galadh, Mirkwood to go run the quests to get them. The level-banded skirmish marks (first, second, third marks, etc) really caused more headaches than necessary, and this revamps solves all of them.

As far as the instance finder goes - I've actually seen a lot of value in it with only the short amount of time from launch. I like how it works, and I think it was worth every second of dev time allocated to it. Although, being a captain will let me make just about any combination for a 3 man work, so there's a little bias there.

Just because these two aren't things you will take advantage of, doesn't mean that they are useless, or not worth the dev time.

/signed

Yeah, they gotta go.

Nuke em.

Better yet, put 'em in a Steel-Locked box and drop 'em down a well.

/signed

I don't feel the need to justify myself to any egomaniac who thinks I'm being unreasonable for not liking what they do.

I really don't care what y'all might think are "acceptable" reasons for why others might have different personal preferences.

And the whining about the new cool down and trying to blame people who don't like emotes for it? Yeah, seems like Turbine added it to slow down spamming of them, but if so, that just shows that Turbine doesn't get that some people just don't like them and want a way to decline.

I actually think it's a good sign if they did put the cool down in due to complaints about the emotes. It's a "quick fix" thats woefully incomplete, and only partially addresses the minority of reasons people want to opt out, but it indicates that at least someone at Turbine has heard the requests.

Might be a "glass half full" way of looking at it, but I figure its better than rage-quitting.