Re: A Toggle or some Counter-Measure to Tricks and other Forced Emotes
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No, I'm not worried about being interrupted crafting or stopping a dance or horse race deed. I'm just not into emotes, or festivals for that matter, as I find them both unwanted distractions. Yes, it's a "social game", but pranking is not what defines social interaction. Pranking is not only a small part of interaction, it's all too often anti-social interaction.
I understand people saying that "pranks happen sometimes in RL" but the reality is that in RL, retaliation/consequences for pranking also occur. However, I can't one shot people who throw bats or birds at me, or some such nonsense.
Since I don't have the ability to retaliate, I'd like to be able to politely decline to participate. Such an instance would be far more accommodating of both people who dislike emotes & those that like them. If I can neither decline to participate, nor retaliate against people who do them to me, I vote that emotes get removed entirely, or else made effective only on NPC's.
Re: A Toggle or some Counter-Measure to Tricks and other Forced Emotes
Total Agreement from me, I have lost count of the number of times people have pranked me, and just generally fed up with these kind of 'practical jokers'.
Ever since the "forced emote" deeds were first put in LoTRO, people have been calling for a means not to be affected by them. Most people have been willing to concede that, since some people do like them, what ought to exist is a way to "opt out" without stopping others from using and enjoying them.
To date, there has been no hint of a response from Turbine. No "we're looking into that", no "we're working on a solution", and definitely no sign of real action.
With another festival coming up in about a week and yet more forced emote deeds in the offing, in light of the lack of response from Turbine, it's time to say: Enough, already! Just get RID of them.
So...at this point it's just too late. Unless and until an opt out feature is actually coded, tested, passes QA and installed in LoTRO, it's time to completely remove ALL forced emotes from the game.
Yes, I know this will upset some people. To them I say: You've had your "fun". Since you won't leave the people who don't like them alone voluntarily, it's time for Turbine to take your little toys away from you.
I know the OP is a lifer, so won't have seen it, but when you cancel your sub (forced emotes were on my list, though not at the top of it), there's an exit survey about things that would bring you back. The first, or possibly second (can't remember the exact placing) question is whether open world PVP would cause you to subscribe again.
Just so you know.
But yes, I, too, am in favour of a tactical nuclear strike. Get rid of all of them. Now, please.
All of the consumables now share a 5 minute cooldown.
Thanks guys. Now it's going to take forever to get these things out of my inventory.
You've gone from us affecting your game to you all drastically affecting ours. You fall down for two seconds, my bags are full for a lot longer now.
There is an alternative. I got a number of them in the Haunted Burrow chest. Since they vendor for only a penny (okay, two alternatives, this is the first, you can vendor them), I simply took them out of my bags and destroyed them. No clogged inventory.
I'd rather have them allocate more resources to fix something like the silly bugs in the new content and fix the constant client crashing others have had since U5. No point in wasting time fixing a silly little emote that barely anyone cares about when bunch of people 1. can't even log into the game since U5 or 2. are crashing 3+ times an hour.
I'm going to have to take the opposite position here, which I'm sure is going to get me flamed and de-repped and whatever. I don't particularly care. Don't nuke them, don't take them out of the game. I rather enjoy them - yes, that's right. I don't mind them being used on me. Why? Because I'm never doing something so incredibly important that I can't fall down and get back up again or just lay there on the ground, even if they do spam it over and over again. Most of the time when they are used, I'm just standing around in town not doing anything of importance anyway. Yes, I could support an opt-out button but its not that high of a priority for me.
I understand you don't like them, but you're blowing this way, WAY out of perspective. Its not that big of a deal: your characters remain unharmed and if you don't like them then you can go somewhere else in Middle Earth. Or else log off and do something else that isn't going to go make you fly off into a rage because your digital avatar on an online game based on a fictional universe was forced to do something that you didn't want him/her to do.
I understand you don't like them, but you're blowing this way, WAY out of perspective. Its not that big of a deal: your characters remain unharmed and if you don't like them then you can go somewhere else in Middle Earth. Or else log off and do something else that isn't going to go make you fly off into a rage because your digital avatar on an online game based on a fictional universe was forced to do something that you didn't want him/her to do.
I sincerely hope no one gives you negative rep for disagreeing.
The suggestion that one go somewhere else isn't really a solution. Rather, it's caving in to bullying and abuse. Why should someone who doesn't like having the forced emotes take control of their character be the one that has to go elsewhere? Why can't the person doing the emotes go somewhere and find someone who doesn't object? Or is a matter of 'if I can't annoy you, it spoils my fun', because if that's the case, a long hard look in the mirror is in order.
I have been calling for an opt out flag for months. I would have held off on the alternative to call for their removal if there had been the slightest indication from Turbine that they understand that some of us really don't like be force emoted and that, having put them into the game, it is up to Turbine to put in a solution.
Ever since the "forced emote" deeds were first put in LoTRO, people have been calling for a means not to be affected by them. Most people have been willing to concede that, since some people do like them, what ought to exist is a way to "opt out" without stopping others from using and enjoying them.
To date, there has been no hint of a response from Turbine. No "we're looking into that", no "we're working on a solution", and definitely no sign of real action.
With another festival coming up in about a week and yet more forced emote deeds in the offing, in light of the lack of response from Turbine, it's time to say: Enough, already! Just get RID of them.
So...at this point it's just too late. Unless and until an opt out feature is actually coded, tested, passes QA and installed in LoTRO, it's time to completely remove ALL forced emotes from the game.
Yes, I know this will upset some people. To them I say: You've had your "fun". Since you won't leave the people who don't like them alone voluntarily, it's time for Turbine to take your little toys away from you.
--W. H. Heydt
Old Used Programmer
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Just because a small portion of the population HATES festvial consumables does not mean it should be removed. They are not game breaking, you get up and move on.
Just because a small portion of the population HATES festvial consumables does not mean it should be removed. They are not game breaking, you get up and move on.
Do you also think that the "no spar", "no fellowship requests", and "no kinship requests" options should be removed from the game, or that there should be no constraints keeping the creeps in the Ettenmoors?
I'm willing to live and let live, in the form of an "opt out" flag, but since Turbine shows no interest or inclination to install one, not it's time for the fallback: rip 'em out by the roots.
Just because a small portion of the population HATES festvial consumables does not mean it should be removed. They are not game breaking, you get up and move on.
Once is ok. Not nice- like most so called practical 'jokes'. But is gamebreaking when you are fainted four times in a row and can't do ANYTHING because you are lying on the floor instead of crafting or equipping for an instance. I was fainted every time i stood up by a bully in the vault the other day.
So, I think we should get a revenge emote and when some ignorant immature craven bullying individual gets their jollies by spoiling my play, I can reciprocate and faint them four times with one click without having to get a special emote to do it! (preferably while they are away from me doing an instance-then they can 'just move away' to the rezz circle. An option i didn't have lying on the floor.)
edit-this was posted before the cool down on emotes. At least, now, it is not possible for one player to repeatedly faint someone any more. (I edited this because someone gave me neg rep this post and it was accurate last year. The revenge emote rant was hyperbole.
Do you also think that the "no spar", "no fellowship requests", and "no kinship requests" options should be removed from the game, or that there should be no constraints keeping the creeps in the Ettenmoors?
I'm willing to live and let live, in the form of an "opt out" flag, but since Turbine shows no interest or inclination to install one, not it's time for the fallback: rip 'em out by the roots.
--W. H. Heydt
Old Used Programmer
Sparring, fellowships, MP, and kinships are ingame 24/7 365 days a year you can not compare their opt out options to items that are only avalible a few times during the year. Festival conumable use goes up during the festvials. I rarely see them being used once the festival ends.
I do not use emote items myself, but I don't think Turbine will remove someone's "fun".
Once is ok. Not nice- like most so called practical 'jokes'. But is gamebreaking when you are fainted four times in a row and can't do ANYTHING because you are lying on the floor instead of crafting or equipping for an instance. I was fainted every time i stood up by a bully in the vault the other day.
So, I think we should get a revenge emote and when some ignorant immature craven bullying individual gets their jollies by spoiling my play, I can reciprocate and faint them four times with one click without having to get a special emote to do it! (preferably while they are away from me doing an instance-then they can 'just move away' to the rezz circle. An option i didn't have lying on the floor.)
This was not problem until the "use consumable 300 times to get a skill version" deeds were added.
Sparring, fellowships, MP, and kinships are ingame 24/7 365 days a year you can not compare their opt out options to items that are only avalible a few times during the year. Festival conumable use goes up during the festvials. I rarely see them being used once the festival ends.
I do not use emote items myself, but I don't think Turbine will remove someone's "fun".
Have you seen the posts of people who say they have bags full of the stuff, and with the cooldown on it now, it's going to take forever to use it all? It won't be just confined to festival times, especially with the 300 use deed. Turbine has just promoted use of them, we'd like to have the option of not being forced into it.
To many people, free will is a license to rebel not against what is unjust or hard in life but against what is best for them and true.
Have you seen the posts of people who say they have bags full of the stuff, and with the cooldown on it now, it's going to take forever to use it all? It won't be just confined to festival times, especially with the 300 use deed. Turbine has just promoted use of them, we'd like to have the option of not being forced into it.
I believe that would be your(anti-consumables people) fault. Longer cds means people can't spam them, but it means you will see them used all year. You can't HAVE the best of both worlds.
Lets say that in real life your little prank might involve fire crackers. Well, mishaps are known to happen and carrying one or two around might sting a bit, but hundreds in your pocket, well that's gonna hurt. We all know sometimes practical jokes can backfire, so here's the plan!
You carry consumables that might just not be as stable as you would prefer. Every now and then, one might just go off randomly on the joker. Carry a few hundred on you, and that is likely to create a chain reaction. Perhaps the would be prankster spends the next hour or so being tormented by his jokes.
Oh, and you don't get to opt out of it. No sir! You have to click each time one of the jokes is over to set off the next one in the chain until they all go poof! But hey, you're a good sport and can take a joke so sit back and chuckle away!
I believe that would be your(anti-consumables people) fault. Longer cds means people can't spam them, but it means you will see them used all year. You can't HAVE the best of both worlds.
We're not looking for the best of both worlds. We're looking for a simple and fair resolution to what we see as a problem. You want to prank? Fine. That's your game. I'm not forcing you to stop your game, but I don't want to play your game, and so I'd like an opt-out. What's so hard to understand about that?
To many people, free will is a license to rebel not against what is unjust or hard in life but against what is best for them and true.
We're not looking for the best of both worlds. We're looking for a simple and fair resolution to what we see as a problem. You want to prank? Fine. That's your game. I'm not forcing you to stop your game, but I don't want to play your game, and so I'd like an opt-out. What's so hard to understand about that?
The OP wants to REMOVE consumable users' game, that is the issue.
Did you bother to read the entire post? He, and others, have first asked for an opt-out toggle. That's being ignored, so the next step is to ask for removal. By keeping your argument going, it simply strengthens our argument.
To many people, free will is a license to rebel not against what is unjust or hard in life but against what is best for them and true.
Go figure, Turbine puts them in the game, therefore they must have been intended for the use of annoying other players long after the festival, right?
Then Turbine puts in a 5 minute timer and the argument swings to other players ruining the pranksters game unfairly. Can't possibly be that they designed it with good intentions and like Einstein, the concept sorta mushroomed into something unintended. (pun intended BTW).
Did you bother to read the entire post? He, and others, have first asked for an opt-out toggle. That's being ignored, so the next step is to ask for removal. By keeping your argument going, it simply strengthens our argument.
Even if turbine did decide to create a toggle or chec box, I believe it would be on the bottom of the priority list, which could explain why we have not gotten a reponse.
Like I said in an earlier post, I don't think festival consumables are leaving.
Last edited by Nindolvoth; Dec 12 2011 at 10:59 PM.
Even if turbine did decide to create a toggle or check box, I believe it would be on the bottom of the priority list, which could explain why we have not gotten a response.
Would you rather them not respond or say something along the lines of "its working as intended"?
Like I said in an earlier post, I don't think festival consumables are leaving.
In today's patch notes, there's an item titled "It's the little things". Coffee was added to the game--- a high priority request? Absolutely needed to keep the game going?
This here may be "a little thing". But it sure as hell makes just as much sense to put in an option, coded in a field that already has similar options, that actually would enhance the game experience for some, without changing the game experience for anyone else.
Use your pranks, get the deed; if the opt-out is there for me, you can even use it on me and still get credit towards the deed without interrupting my gameplay.
To many people, free will is a license to rebel not against what is unjust or hard in life but against what is best for them and true.
I do not think that was the kind of response the OP and like people wanted.
Actually, it's a good start and a fair one. Good practical jokes take a bit of time to setup and in this case it's 5 minutes. Those doing it to annoy others might be discouraged when they are limited to 12 pranks per hour. Those just having fun will enjoy their hours content in their mischief.
In today's patch notes, there's an item titled "It's the little things". Coffee was added to the game--- a high priority request? Absolutely needed to keep the game going?
This here may be "a little thing". But it sure as hell makes just as much sense to put in an option, coded in a field that already has similar options, that actually would enhance the game experience for some, without changing the game experience for anyone else.
Use your pranks, get the deed; if the opt-out is there for me, you can even use it on me and still get credit towards the deed without interrupting my gameplay.
Coffee is here! After much lobbying by players and quoting of various passages in Tolkien’s works, coffee is now available! Westfold Famers will have new recipes to grow the aromatic beans for Westfold Cooks who wish to concoct this stimulating beverage!
To me it seems that the same small group of players are asking for toggle/checkbox for forced emotes.
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