My name is Purebloodnakh, Chieftain of Saruman's Armies of the North, General of the Warg Legions, loyal servant to the true Lord, Sauron. And I will have my vengeance, in this life or the next.
I tried fighting a high rank defiler on my champ. It was impossible to win. He drained my power than spam healed his way to victory, allowing his occasional yellow puddle to kill me.
I tried fighting a low rank defiler (I can only guess he did a bit of P2Wing) on my mins. It was impossible to win as he regen'd power so quickly that he never ran out of heals, yet power drained me so often that I couldn't even get my own power regen going.
Both are supposedly the most OP freep classes in the Moors (depending on how you view wardens now), yet neither class can match a defiler. Got to say something, huh?
I tried fighting a high rank defiler on my champ. It was impossible to win. He drained my power than spam healed his way to victory, allowing his occasional yellow puddle to kill me.
I tried fighting a low rank defiler (I can only guess he did a bit of P2Wing) on my mins. It was impossible to win as he regen'd power so quickly that he never ran out of heals, yet power drained me so often that I couldn't even get my own power regen going.
Both are supposedly the most OP freep classes in the Moors (depending on how you view wardens now), yet neither class can match a defiler. Got to say something, huh?
Not sure if trolling or serious.
you want to nerf a creep class?!
“Progress is made by lazy men looking for easier ways to do things”
Not sure if trolling or serious.
you want to nerf a creep class?!
>Creeps constantly cry over how OP champs and mins are.
>Want them nerfed and nothing wrong in that.
>Freep mentions how one particular creep class is even more OP than these supposedly OP freep classes.
>Wants them nerfed, apparently something dreadfully wrong in that.
I don't know about you but it seems a little hypocritical to say otherwise.
It's the r14 flies trait that most defilers buy that drains your power. Defilers could use a slight nerf to heals but it's mostly the flies where they need it.
It's the r14 flies trait that most defilers buy that drains your power. Defilers could use a slight nerf to heals but it's mostly the flies where they need it.
Are the mighty and brave Champions scared of a few bug bites?
My name is Purebloodnakh, Chieftain of Saruman's Armies of the North, General of the Warg Legions, loyal servant to the true Lord, Sauron. And I will have my vengeance, in this life or the next.
>Creeps constantly cry over how OP champs and mins are.
>Want them nerfed and nothing wrong in that.
>Freep mentions how one particular creep class is even more OP than these supposedly OP freep classes.
>Wants them nerfed, apparently something dreadfully wrong in that.
I don't know about you but it seems a little hypocritical to say otherwise.
You thought it was a great idea to post a issue about class imbalances in a troll thread? Didn't think so.
I'm sorry. I can beat any creep when I run out of power almost instantly. My mistake.
My name is Purebloodnakh, Chieftain of Saruman's Armies of the North, General of the Warg Legions, loyal servant to the true Lord, Sauron. And I will have my vengeance, in this life or the next.
My name is Purebloodnakh, Chieftain of Saruman's Armies of the North, General of the Warg Legions, loyal servant to the true Lord, Sauron. And I will have my vengeance, in this life or the next.
It's the r14 flies trait that most defilers buy that drains your power. Defilers could use a slight nerf to heals but it's mostly the flies where they need it.
Want to tell us the duration/magnitude/cooldown of the LM power drain? Because the defilers power drain is 30 seconds long, 50 power per second and has a 30 second cooldown and, as an added bonus, can't be interrupted.
Want to tell us the duration/magnitude/cooldown of the LM power drain? Because the defilers power drain is 30 seconds long, 50 power per second and has a 30 second cooldown and, as an added bonus, can't be interrupted.
"The Defiler's improved flies is an r14 trait and is the reward for reaching such a high rank" - This is what Turbine will say, and this is how it would've been fair, if the trait wasn't purchasable from the Store.
Unfortunately, it is. Do not expect Turbine to reduce the incentive of buying goodies from the Store. Nerfing the trait would only make less Defilers buy it and reduce revenue for Turbine.
First priority is the Store... Balance is also somewhere in the priority list... my guess is around #124 or something (See how long minis and champs have been op)
Also, effectiveness in 1v1s is not enough reason to nerf a class. Defiler heals are good, but still not on par with freep heals. We also need a DPS stance (a stance in which flies would be nerfed, to prevent us from being godmode). I for one would prefer a DPS stance over a long and boring endurance fight[the flies method]. I'm hoping for a defiler update come Update 7...
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Peaceguy
"With that, I ran back to Hobbiton, Land of the Noobs" - TSK
These "power draining flies" must be eliminated from the game immediately
Lets all pray to Xerxes, god of Nerfs
My name is Purebloodnakh, Chieftain of Saruman's Armies of the North, General of the Warg Legions, loyal servant to the true Lord, Sauron. And I will have my vengeance, in this life or the next.
Want to tell us the duration/magnitude/cooldown of the LM power drain? Because the defilers power drain is 30 seconds long, 50 power per second and has a 30 second cooldown and, as an added bonus, can't be interrupted.
[Tangaar Captain R7][Barukhazad Minstrel R9] In M.U.G.E.N there is NO magic button
That guy built a career around trolling the deluded on the history channel. Which begs the question should there be a trolling 101 class at universities since it is now a career decision.
I tried fighting a high rank defiler on my champ. It was impossible to win. He drained my power than spam healed his way to victory, allowing his occasional yellow puddle to kill me.
Defilers match up very well against most melee classes simply because of the way their class is. Please, don't try and get sympathy from any creep when all you have to do is hit ISB + Remorseless and hit for 5k in one shot (And yes, that happens on a regular basis to me). The lowest I've ever seen from Remorseless is 3k. Compare that to my Reaver's Devastating strike which never hits any light armour freep for more than 2k, and averages about 800 on heavy armour classes.
Champs aren't as OP as they were right after RoI, but they still have it good in the moors against most classes. L2P your class instead of crying for a nerf.
Originally Posted by Dorothir
I tried fighting a low rank defiler (I can only guess he did a bit of P2Wing) on my mins. It was impossible to win as he regen'd power so quickly that he never ran out of heals, yet power drained me so often that I couldn't even get my own power regen going.
If you lost to a low rank defiler (Even if he p2wed) on a minstrel then I can't say anything other than you're doing it wrong. I honestly can't fathom how you could lose to win, because your heals easily match his, you have a skill which regens about 121 power every two seconds, and Coda of Fury can easily crit for 3k or higher.
Originally Posted by Dorothir
Both are supposedly the most OP freep classes in the Moors (depending on how you view wardens now), yet neither class can match a defiler. Got to say something, huh?
The champ class doesn't stack up that well against the defiler, and if the Defiler knows what he's doing, more often than not, he will win. If you haven't noticed, there aren't a whole lot of cries for nerfs to champs anymore.
Right now a decent minstrel should not lose to a defiler in any situation, ever. All I can say is that you either don't know how to play your class (Seems likely), and/or you are poorly geared.
If you lost to a low rank defiler (Even if he p2wed) on a minstrel then I can't say anything other than you're doing it wrong. I honestly can't fathom how you could lose to win, because your heals easily match his, you have a skill which regens about 121 power every two seconds, and Coda of Fury can easily crit for 3k or higher.
Right now a decent minstrel should not lose to a defiler in any situation, ever. All I can say is that you either don't know how to play your class (Seems likely), and/or you are poorly geared.
My Defiler is mid-ranked and "store-improved" (Improved Blight, Improved Flies and several racials). I win against bad Minstrels and draw against good ones, loosing against a Minstrel is highly improbable
Champs aren't as OP as they were right after RoI, but they still have it good in the moors against most classes. L2P your class instead of crying for a nerf.
The champ class doesn't stack up that well against the defiler, and if the Defiler knows what he's doing, more often than not, he will win. If you haven't noticed, there aren't a whole lot of cries for nerfs to champs anymore.
No i believe the majority of creeps want nerfs to the champ, but it has fallen on deaf ears thus has stopped. I see some champs beating most creeps without the use of cooldowns. When they pop their bubbles/sprint/dire need/man-heal/in-game and instore pots they become god-like. Most good champs hold back, but when they unleash it's hell.
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My Defiler is mid-ranked and "store-improved" (Improved Blight, Improved Flies and several racials). I win against bad Minstrels and draw against good ones, loosing against a Minstrel is highly improbable
Transfer to a server with good minstrels. Minstrels on my server are regularly able to crit for 3-4k on certain codas, and I know of at least one who hits 1.8k on a normal shot.
Granted, it wouldn't be easy, but minis can definitely beat Defilers.
Originally Posted by Dorothir
I was going to comment but then I realised just how much of what you said was simple facts.
My name is Purebloodnakh, Chieftain of Saruman's Armies of the North, General of the Warg Legions, loyal servant to the true Lord, Sauron. And I will have my vengeance, in this life or the next.
My Defiler is mid-ranked and "store-improved" (Improved Blight, Improved Flies and several racials). I win against bad Minstrels and draw against good ones, loosing against a Minstrel is highly improbable
Fly traiting defilers have no mercy, sympathy or valid points, ever.
Question of today
Would the Previous Commander be powerful enough to slay a lvl 50 battlemage or would he be too OP for our Chieftain to handle?
I can easily defeat unskilled Battle-Mages
Its the good ones that are dangerous
My name is Purebloodnakh, Chieftain of Saruman's Armies of the North, General of the Warg Legions, loyal servant to the true Lord, Sauron. And I will have my vengeance, in this life or the next.
Fly traiting defilers have no mercy, sympathy or valid points, ever.
I followed the discussion on Burning Embers at the LM Forums, and it´s a similiar situation
One overpowered skill, that kinda band-aid fixes a class that is in need of improvement in general
I wouldn´t mind a nerf to Flies, but only if the Defiler is reworked and improved in several areas
I followed the discussion on Burning Embers at the LM Forums, and it´s a similiar situation
One overpowered skill, that kinda band-aid fixes a class that is in need of improvement in general
I wouldn´t mind a nerf to Flies, but only if the Defiler is reworked and improved in several areas
I wouldn't really call that a band-aid fix.
How exactly does it help them in cut the slack on healing and debuffing in raid situations?
I followed the discussion on Burning Embers at the LM Forums, and it´s a similiar situation
One overpowered skill, that kinda band-aid fixes a class that is in need of improvement in general
I wouldn´t mind a nerf to Flies, but only if the Defiler is reworked and improved in several areas
As a defiler, I wouldn't mind to see flies being nerfed for a big class update. It's not enjoyable to be dependent on a skill too much.
And as I said, 1v1s aren't everything. Defilers *do* need an update to bring their healing on par with freep healing, and more efficient debuffing and DPS. Just because the flies are making you ragelog doesn't mean you nerf the entire class and make it pathetic at every other aspect and mediocre in 1v1s.
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"With that, I ran back to Hobbiton, Land of the Noobs" - TSK
As a defiler, I wouldn't mind to see flies being nerfed for a big class update. It's not enjoyable to be dependent on a skill too much.
And as I said, 1v1s aren't everything. Defilers *do* need an update to bring their healing on par with freep healing, and more efficient debuffing and DPS. Just because the flies are making you ragelog doesn't mean you nerf the entire class and make it pathetic at every other aspect and mediocre in 1v1s.
Defilers are really great in 1vs1 (or all freeps which I 1vs1 are fail, but I don´t believe that), though they lack at raid healing
healing output is not enough, especially group healing, healing feels too slow (I´m not against hot healing, but there needs some fast emergency healing, especially considering the ranged/tactical DPS on freepside
I agree with that lots of fixes are needed, but preferably without making us OP in 1vs1, when I want to be OP I can log onto my RK anytime I want
Debuffs with inductions are really bad, I mean they should rott you during the animation for some time, like LM debuffs do, but no induction please
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What about "Trolls go to War?" 3k AoE Shadow Damage+Stun?
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Everything not within [trolling][/trolling] is meant to be taken serious :-P
If the GM's prowess playing as "Powerful foes" in the last "Battle in the Ettenmoors" late last year is any indication... I think our characters are safe for a while yet. ;P
edit: GMs instead of devs.
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If the devs' prowess playing as "Powerful foes" in the last "Battle in the Ettenmoors" late last year is any indication... I think our characters are safe for a while yet. ;P
When did the Devs play in the ettenmoors last year? This is news to me.
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). I for one would prefer a DPS stance over a long and boring endurance fight[the flies method]. I'm hoping for a defiler update come Update 7...
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