I´ve been made the kin´s cook, i asked a few things about what does it mean, cause im new in lotro and in this kind of games, and then i accepted it.
I´m level 33, i can make food for people level 50.
If you are also a cook, you know its really expensive, i just didnt think of that when i accepted to be the kins cook. But then, i thought: am i supposed to make all the food for free?
I asked and the answer was yes....
As i said i dont know how does it work, but im level 33, i have 3 golds and when i farm and cook, i loose them and i have 2 golds... and thats just for me and maybe a couple of people, friends and some peolpe in the kin as a gift.
Each tier is more expensive, wich means that if i make 200 of any food for a level 50, i will soon get broked. (And thats the amount they said to me, 200!! for a single person)
What do you think? is it a crazy system? OR am i just overreacting?
I´ve been made the kin´s cook, i asked a few things about what does it mean, cause im new in lotro and in this kind of games, and then i accepted it.
I´m level 33, i can make food for people level 50.
If you are also a cook, you know its really expensive, i just didnt think of that when i accepted to be the kins cook. But then, i thought: am i supposed to make all the food for free?
I asked and the answer was yes....
As i said i dont know how does it work, but im level 33, i have 3 golds and when i farm and cook, i loose them and i have 2 golds... and thats just for me and maybe a couple of people, friends and some peolpe in the kin as a gift.
Each tier is more expensive, wich means that if i make 200 of any food for a level 50, i will soon get broked. (And thats the amount they said to me, 200!! for a single person)
What do you think? is it a crazy system? OR am i just overreacting?
I honestly don't know how it works in larger kinships. However, I can tell you that if I were to find myself in the position you have found yourself in - I would feel used. I would abandon either the job or the kinship without delay. That's just me though - I don't know what others would think or how large kinships conduct business.
What benefit do you get from being in the kinship (that isn't shared by the other members of the kinship)?
Well, I can't really answer that fairly. My kinship is about as small as they get. My wife and I each have a kinship with just our characters in them. So, when I cook it's just for me and my wife - and I do foot the bill ...and do all the work. (Hmmm, that's kinda the same thing you're talking about, isn't it? ... Hmmm, I kinda just now realized that. ) But, in all seriousness, I don't think that's what you meant when you asked what smaller kinships do.
Originally Posted by MGatta
Anybody is in a large kinship? if so, could you tell me your experience?
In all honesty, I would either inform the "powers that be" in your kinship that you are now stepping down from this position if you are expected to incur all of the expense yourself, or that you are going to charge people the cost of the foods +10% for your time and energy being diverted from playing the game you want to play for their needs. If these are unacceptable to them, then I would resign from the kinship and find one that is more conducive to HELPING its members instead of exploiting them.
My experience has been that people do not mind paying for food plus a small stipend for your time and energy instead of either crafting it themselves or paying the Auction House prices for foodstuffs. Send the food COD, they can either pay for it or reject it, and if the latter occurs, there's always the Auction House to recoup your investment.
"Once you master a people by force, you rely upon force for control."--Chris Hedges
If you're making food for a level 50, they should have PLENTY of coin to pay you for it.
If they refuse to pay for it - like others have said, either resign as the cook or find a new kinship. Because it seems like this kinship is <insert profanity of your choice>.
As for the question of how it works in a large kinship? Well usually in a large kinship the primary cooks have level capped characters and gold collections in the triple figures. So money isn't much of an issue. But if a large kinship had a low level cook who didn't have a lot of coin, I can guarantee you the high levels would be happy to pay a reasonable amount for the food.
Previously, the kin had another cook, but there was a mutiny/riot/revolution and some people left and founded a new kinship, incluiding the kin´s cook.
I only have this charachter, thats the way i like it, i have a story to follow, and with one i have plenty of eveything i need. Maybe people that have more charachters have more money, i dont...
I´m glad to see that i wasnt overreacting when i thought that wasnt right. I mean, i dont mind making some free food (in fact, i did it before becoming tonight the kins cook) but i wont be making 200 food for free, for each one.... thats crazy
After reading what you said, i´m leaving the kin (i could just stop being the kins cook, but i prefer to leave it and find another one, according to what do i think is right, and helpful, and what do i think is using somebody for something)
I only have this charachter, thats the way i like it, i have a story to follow, and with one i have plenty of eveything i need. Maybe people that have more charachters have more money, i dont...
This got me to thinking - maybe your kinmates don't understand your situation.
Perhaps they all have multiple level 75 characters, hundreds of gold and presume you're the same - that this cook character is just some low level crafting alt that you switch to every now and again to make food.
If you point out to them that this is your only character and can't afford to be the kinship's cook they might realise their mistake.
Then again, if they refused to pay a basic amount for their food maybe the group who rioted was correct. Perhaps you should contact them and see if they want another member.
This got me to thinking - maybe your kinmates don't understand your situation.
Perhaps they all have multiple level 75 characters, hundreds of gold and presume you're the same - that this cook character is just some low level crafting alt that you switch to every now and again to make food.
If you point out to them that this is your only character and can't afford to be the kinship's cook they might realise their mistake.
Then again, if they refused to pay a basic amount for their food maybe the group who rioted was correct. Perhaps you should contact them and see if they want another member.
No, they do know my situation, we use the kins chat and talk.... they know i have a single charachter and that im quite new.
Actually 2 days ago we were talking 3 or 4 people in the kins chat about money, how much did we think it was necesary for levels... how much did we have etc... So they even know how much money i have
I´ve already decided to leave the kin, there are a lot of them out there, i will take my time and chose one thats appropiate for me. (I dont know yet if try to contact with the people who left the kin or not)
In my kinship no one is ever "required" to craft for anyone else. Generally someone with crafting skill will volunteer to make items for people, and it is tacitly agreed to by the Kin that mats, or the cost to cover mats, is the responsibility of the person who wants the item made.
Some of the wealthier crafting members offer their services free of any charge but they are never required to do so.
In ANY normal kin, big or small, it is common courtesy to provide *at least* mats for crafting something. Your contribution to the kin is the time/money you spent getting your crafter up and the time it takes you to craft for them. Anything else is shamelessly taking advantage of gullible newbie.
Your decision to leave that exploiting kin is a good one.
Cooking takes a lot of time, since you have to make ingredients to cook, much more often than other crafts need to make components. Also, food is used a lot more in the game. All players go through it much faster than armor, weapons and other crafted items. There's no excuse for demanding someone cook for their entire kin. If it helps, I've been playing for 2.5 years and this is the first time I've ever heard of a "kin cook". They were abusing you and you're better off finding just about any other kinship.
Some cooks offer extra food to kin house chests or to other kinnies as barter for other craft items. Others donate raid food to their kins, but not a lot because that stuff's expensive. It's usually given that folks pay cooks for their time and mats. In addition, the higher level foods (raid food) are some of the consistently best sellers on the ah as, again, you go through a lot and serious raiders would rather pay than to take the time to farm and cook. Time is money, after all.
Don't lose hope. There are lots of good kins out there. The vast majority will honor your crafting.
Cooking takes a lot of time, since you have to make ingredients to cook, much more often than other crafts need to make components. Also, food is used a lot more in the game. All players go through it much faster than armor, weapons and other crafted items. There's no excuse for demanding someone cook for their entire kin. If it helps, I've been playing for 2.5 years and this is the first time I've ever heard of a "kin cook". They were abusing you and you're better off finding just about any other kinship.
Some smaller kins will have certain membesr be the Crafter of the Kin for that area. I've seen it done a number of different ways. Either sending crafting materials to the crafter and then then crafter will make the item for free. Having the materials stored in a kin chest and having an official of the kin collect the items from the chest, resupplying the crafting ingredients used, or just payment for the items (usually a steep discount). I never have heard of a kinship just demanding someone craft and not supply something in return and in most kins they have a different member as a farmer who supplies the cook.
Generalisating here as i haven't been there and don't know the kin or the exact circumstance/expectations first hand.
Leaving that kin seemed like the right thing to do after reading all this. Helping others out is no problem. Some people even help a lot and choose themselves to provide free services to friends and kinsmates. Our old guildleader is a shining example of that. She's always willing to help others and pretty much always for free (which is her choice, it's not expected). But we don't take it for granted and she likes seeing us happy and we appreciate her for it. And if she needs help I more then happily provide it back.
Someone at times doing some things they might not otherwise for the sole reason of helping the kinship (like running the same instance an umptheent time to help lowbees, or spend an hour or two mindnumbingly crafting for others) is pretty normal. And it's no more then normal for people to get appreciated for it and it not being taken for granted. Appreciation can come in various forms, like expenses payed and bonusses, compliments, simply feeling good about helping...
What i feel the problem is here... it's not about appreciation and choice.
They demand/expect you to do things they themselves don't want to, and get the lazy easy way out too (doing absolutely nothing to get it done, just reap the benefits... free food on demand. (that's where my generalization comes in.. I don't know what the kin offered the player back and made the kin worth being in. And whether that is balanced to the amount of work expected from the player in return... but listening to the story... it seems they probably fall short there)).
They want to have fun playing... they can't expect another player to just do all the non fun stuff for them (in this case mass-crafting and getting the gold for it to boot), and in this huge amount without any compensation, just because they don't feel like it themselves... much less so demand it.
Everyone deserves fun playing... and there is a reason they don't want to do this crafting themselves. A tiny sliver of rational thinking would reveal to them... that that might also count for the one they instead lay it on. And putting on pressure to have them do it and taking it for granted on top of that doesn't make it better by a longshot naturally. They aren't entitled for others to do their dirty work.
I am a strong believer in i scratch your back you scratch mine working a lot of the time... but balance is key here. You are there to help eachother... it's not a one way street.
I know, thats how i feel, but you know, like i never played before this kind of games i thought maybe it is normal
What do smaller kinships, how do they work?
Don't have any idea how works small kins.
Anybody is in a large kinship? if so, could you tell me your experience?
I'm an officer in quite a big kin, My main char is farmer / cook. But we dont have kinship cook or farmer. I mostly cook for my main, and alts, and if someone asks for something (regen food, relics, fortifying food) - I usually cooked stack or 2.
i spent my own money, but on lvl 75 gold isnt a problem. I know cooking is very expensive.
You should speak with officer or leader about it - just tell you don't have money to cook fo everyone.
sometimes if I don't want to farm, i ask ppl who want me to cook sth to buy it on AH - i just need to buy rest of ingredients.
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) But, in all seriousness, I don't think that's what you meant when you asked what smaller kinships do. 
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