Thread: an appeal to groups...

...when your 3-5 man comes across a solo party, take a moment to assess the situation and just make it a 1v1...until other's show up. I appreciate Thunder and Morbidi's groups who did this for me in the past few days. i'm not gonna pretend to be a saint, i've zerged with everyone else but I've been more mindful of this lately b/c I've seen a lot of repeated zerging from people I thought wanted a challenge out there. To be more specific, I'm talkin about down times...when hardly anyone is on, no raids out, no RvR going on. I get zerged once fine....i'll come back alone to show u i didn't call u out and i get zerged again for my trouble. So i log and do something else for awhile but all i wanted was a challenge in the first place. /rant off

Originally Posted by couillon

...when your 3-5 man comes across a solo party, take a moment to assess the situation and just make it a 1v1...until other's show up. I appreciate Thunder and Morbidi's groups who did this for me in the past few days. i'm not gonna pretend to be a saint, i've zerged with everyone else but I've been more mindful of this lately b/c I've seen a lot of repeated zerging from people I thought wanted a challenge out there. To be more specific, I'm talkin about down times...when hardly anyone is on, no raids out, no RvR going on. I get zerged once fine....i'll come back alone to show u i didn't call u out and i get zerged again for my trouble. So i log and do something else for awhile but all i wanted was a challenge in the first place. /rant off

Dude... please DO NOT post any pics of what you were forced to do, in return for
getting some lovin' from Morbidi and friends lol

Well Alan, when we ran small groups, you used to come with your buddies and interrupt stuff. remember?

P.s. Don't you go like "IRINGAR!!!!! nice flesh!"

Well i never get my 1v1's while im on cletus, and rarely do people let me pass on horse with the exception of the 1v1 studs (cariance, screamo, shiro)

lol, I love the responses so far and ya'll are right. Next time, I'll put on my 'gangly' glasses before i post something so i don't read like such an idiot, ;D

cheers everyone

Originally Posted by couillon

lol, I love the responses so far and ya'll are right. Next time, I'll put on my 'gangly' glasses before i post something so i don't read like such an idiot, ;D

cheers everyone

I don't think the idea is too far fetched to throw out there once or twice as a reminder. For some people it's all about the points, whether it be the 20 or 10 renown/infamy. Can't really control anyone's game play out in the moors except yours, but you can still try and show them the "respectable" way as you attempted in this thread.

The moors are still a little on their head these days. I don't know if anyone is really fighting the way they want to, but it's not really up to the individual. Two key things I have noticed in my CoM groups are:

1) We can't steamroll larger numbers as well as we used to. This is fine and not a complaint, just a fact. However, it does lead into point number two.
2) Group sizes are getting bigger. Before RoI, it was rare to see more than a 6 man CoM group and even more rare for more than 9. Now, nearly a 12 man group is the norm. Part of this is having more people interested in grouping up, but it's also become a necessity for survival.

Now getting back to your point, the larger your group is, the harder it is to control. As you add more people, you increase the chance that you will have someone in your group that doesn't want to listen when you say, "Leave that guy alone."

I also sense that the general respect has reset in the moors. Before, you generally got to know your enemies and allies and how they played. Respected players were much more likely to not get zerged and CJed. This doesn't seem to be the case anymore for whatever reason. It's fine; we all have to be thick-skinned to be able to enjoy the Moors. But the reason you're not getting free passes in the Moors are probably the same as why I am getting CJed and peed on more regularly. These aren't the same Moors as before the expansion.

All anyone can do is to continue playing the way they always have and treating those who show respect and courtesy with the same.

I get that the state of the Moors has changed quite a bit. Larger groups, more zerging, more disrespect/CJing, etc, but don't let that change the way you treat everyone. Even I have felt the sting of the new Moors and the desire to take part in some less than savoury behavior when I've been out, but I still recognize and acknowledge those who have never been known to be discourteous or disrespectful and show them that same behaviour. I still see some of the same faces as always, continuing to play the way they always have, so not everyone has fallen prey to the zerg-bug. The "good guys", those who want a good fight and a challenge, are still out there.

The most disappointing thing I have seen and experienced, is seeing people who have always been one of the "good guys" succumbing to behaviour they were always so vocal against. I get why it happens and don't completely blame them, but it's still a bummer to end up zerged or CJed by those people, especially when you've never shown them any discourtesy or disrespect and it's always been great between you.

I recently got caught alone on my way to meet up with Chef by a few freeps. I didn't see who or how many as they were a bit distant behind me on horseback, but I knew they were coming and I work under the assumption these days, regardless of what side, where there's a few, there's usually many more coming or being called for in OOC. I just unleashed a "Oh I am so dead" as I kept running toward Chef, hoping we could get a little bit of a fight before being roflstomped to death because I knew alone, I was hosed. When I caught up to him, it turned out it was only two, Shiro and Idhrinn. Chef started pouncing, Shiro turned and kept going on his merry way and only Idhrinn remained to receive a beating. Turned out, it seems, they were just trying to say hi, but not knowing who or how many, I just bolted instead of waiting to find out how badly I was about to be destroyed. Chef stopped eating him and let Idhrinn off on his merry way and we received a complimentary /cheer. It was nice. Though it would have been nice if we could have had a little 2v2 with them. Hint, hint guys.

It's not hard to evaluate a situation or recognize the person you are fighting. It's easy to get caught up in the moment and start unleashing a beating, but it's also easy to realize what's going on and stop attacking. It's not hard when in a group to stand by watching, instead of all jumping on and grey-barring a soloer to death. Jeez, if Chef, Mr. Bloodlusty beast himself can have the sense to do this once in awhile, so can others.

No one is perfect, things happen sometimes, but you can still control it and try as much as you can to not take part in the things you hate.

Don't completely give in to it or things will only change permanently for what many consider to be "the worst". If everyone jumps on the zergball bandwagon, that's all you're going to have in the end and then you have no right to complain about the state of things, being zerged, CJed or punched in the face while someone steals your Scrabble tiles.

But then, I am speaking as someone who prefers smaller grouping and fun, challenging fights (not to say, I don't enjoy a good RvR when it's warranted). It's hard to find these since it seems so many just group up as large as possible to sit at OC/EC or a rez to roflstomp everything in sight anymore. I've spent time roaming all over and it's rare to find anyone else anywhere but those aforementioned places or if I do find something, it's usually the roflstomp. So I usually end up heaving a big sigh of disappointment, a chuckle at how silly and lame it is and then leave to try again later. It makes me a sad panda.

<3 Bonnie

People are idiots. Don't bother gracing them with your respect.

Originally Posted by RtrnofdMax

The moors are still a little on their head these days. I don't know if anyone is really fighting the way they want to, but it's not really up to the individual. Two key things I have noticed in my CoM groups are:

1) We can't steamroll larger numbers as well as we used to. This is fine and not a complaint, just a fact. However, it does lead into point number two.
2) Group sizes are getting bigger. Before RoI, it was rare to see more than a 6 man CoM group and even more rare for more than 9. Now, nearly a 12 man group is the norm. Part of this is having more people interested in grouping up, but it's also become a necessity for survival.

Now getting back to your point, the larger your group is, the harder it is to control. As you add more people, you increase the chance that you will have someone in your group that doesn't want to listen when you say, "Leave that guy alone."

I also sense that the general respect has reset in the moors. Before, you generally got to know your enemies and allies and how they played. Respected players were much more likely to not get zerged and CJed. This doesn't seem to be the case anymore for whatever reason. It's fine; we all have to be thick-skinned to be able to enjoy the Moors. But the reason you're not getting free passes in the Moors are probably the same as why I am getting CJed and peed on more regularly. These aren't the same Moors as before the expansion.

I know exactly what your saying dude!

If its just me, its all good n' da hood bro....I'm just chillin' out, catching a few zzzz's and the odd ray or two,
catchin' a wave or a ball game, life is good
....ohhhhh, but then add The Gimp, Pet Me or Marsupial Lovin to my group, oh man, those guys are
just uncontrollable! Doing all sorts of freaky stuff, screwing up the calming aura of my good nature!
Zerging squishies! Catching poor freeps in Grothum doing important things! Uncontrollable bowel movements everywhere!

I've seen the way "he" looks at you man, "he" must make you feel very uncomfortable!!
You know whom I speak off, very soon he's going to make a move on YOU......
he's going to take YOUR one ring for his own!! :O
I know he's your pet, "your precious", but Rikz must go!

Originally Posted by Summberbell

The most disappointing thing I have seen and experienced, is seeing people who have always been one of the "good guys" succumbing to behaviour they were always so vocal against.

Everyone lapses into bad behavior sometimes. I have done my share of CJs, but they were usually retaliatory and regretted after the fact. Neither are justifications, but you can't really be a "good guy" in a game where we kill each other. It's just about trying to do right as much as possible. Just stay positive on the respectometer and you're cool.

Originally Posted by RtrnofdMax

2) Group sizes are getting bigger. Before RoI, it was rare to see more than a 6 man CoM group and even more rare for more than 9. Now, nearly a 12 man group is the norm. Part of this is having more people interested in grouping up, but it's also become a necessity for survival.

Necessity for survival? I can understand if there is a creep raid out, but I have often come online only to find out that there is a 12-man CoM raid going around zerging solo creeps when there isn't even a creep raid out and without going for any keeps. I prefer only having to raid to counter Adino's Ettenmoors crusades or to flip keeps when there are no freeps out, unfortunately you guys are forcing me to raid up more often that I would like when you guys roll around in raids when it is not neccesary.
This is not meant as an insult, and neither are my cj's

/Aza

Originally Posted by RtrnofdMax

Everyone lapses into bad behavior sometimes. I have done my share of CJs, but they were usually retaliatory and regretted after the fact. Neither are justifications, but you can't really be a "good guy" in a game where we kill each other. It's just about trying to do right as much as possible. Just stay positive on the respectometer and you're cool.

Totally, which is why I said:

Originally Posted by Summberbell

No one is perfect, things happen sometimes, but you can still control it and try as much as you can to not take part in the things you hate.

I've done things I've regretted as well, it happens. Sometimes you just get caught up in the moment or have been pushed too far by someone's treatment of you and you lash out. I just try to make amends after usually, if possible.

It's the frequency of the occurrences that matter and I was speaking more about those I see who have pretty much completely fallen into the zergball lifestyle. I'm not calling anyone specifically out, but I'm sure we all know of people that fit this.

I do disagree though with not being able to be a "good guy" while in the Moors. There have been a number of good guys over the year on this server, which is why there are those held to a higher standard, as pillars of the Moors community who have the respect of many for the way they treat fellow players and how they handle themselves.

And since some like to make connections to war in real life to justify being cruel and disrespectful in game, I'll just say even in real war there has always been rules of engagement, respect and honour to go along with the cruelty. It's not always so black and white.

In the end it's a game and many of us are friends and for me, I've always cared whether or not the people I am fighting against are having fun. It's just not fun to me to farm/zerg/roll someone over and over knowing I'm just pissing them off to the point of rage-quitting. I'd rather have people enjoying themselves so they stick around so that I have more people to play with. If I make people rage-quit, then the Moors becomes a very empty and boring place unless I want to PvE (no thanks). I don't look at someone who kills any of my toons as a "bad guy" unless they exhibit what I find to be disrespectful or lame behavior. Plenty of "good guys" have killed me and I have killed them, honestly, those are always the best deaths and kills. Even the occasional zerg supposedly out of some twisted form of love can be appreciated (hi Chef, Aza and Mike... you jerks... mostly Chef since it was his idea ).

<3 Bonnie

Originally Posted by ivan11787

Necessity for survival? I can understand if there is a creep raid out, but I have often come online only to find out that there is a 12-man CoM raid going around zerging solo creeps when there isn't even a creep raid out and without going for any keeps. I prefer only having to raid to counter Adino's Ettenmoors crusades or to flip keeps when there are no freeps out, unfortunately you guys are forcing me to raid up more often that I would like when you guys roll around in raids when it is not neccesary.
This is not meant as an insult, and neither are my cj's

/Aza

Well, not my experience. I never see you alone. I even stuck around solo yesterday to see if I could get you away from your defiler, but we both know how that turned out. I also fear that you think that half this server carries the CoM kin tag. We're an easy target and that's cool, we know why, but I just can't match personal experience to what you're talking about.

Let's find an example of when I was in/leading a CoM group that destroyed you solo and until then, I will just take this as a shaky forum argument. It sounds good but it's baseless.

Originally Posted by RtrnofdMax

Well, not my experience. I never see you alone. I even stuck around solo yesterday to see if I could get you away from your defiler, but we both know how that turned out. I also fear that you think that half this server carries the CoM kin tag. We're an easy target and that's cool, we know why, but I just can't match personal experience to what you're talking about.

Let's find an example of when I was in/leading a CoM group that destroyed you solo and until then, I will just take this as a shaky forum argument. It sounds good but it's baseless.

I never claimed that you were leading those CoM raids.
Also just rechecked the boards, and it seems that my knowledge of CoM members in the Moors is fairly accurate.
I was grouped with a warg, not a defiler.

I will let you in on something. I almost always run around solo until I am zerged a few times, at which point I either group up or raid up, depending on the amount of freeps in the group. Some creeps may always want to raid up, regardless of the situation (normally new creeps) however most of us will only raid up if we are being bullied and decide to fight back.

/Aza

Originally Posted by ivan11787

I will let you in on something. I almost always run around solo until I am zerged a few times, at which point I either group up or raid up, depending on the amount of freeps in the group. Some creeps may always want to raid up, regardless of the situation (normally new creeps) however most of us will only raid up if we are being bullied and decide to fight back.

I have to back up Aza on this point. It's pretty spot on to how things go down, from what I have experienced. It's usually pretty funny how it happens because he gets all ragey and starts talking a ton of smack as he starts calling out for members to zerg the zerg, it's adorable. EDIT: It's playful and funny smack talk, nothing truly hateful. Always hilarious... again, at least based on my experience with him.

This is pretty much the same time I might decide to join a larger group or raid as well, same with many others. Though often I just end up taking a break before then anyway.

<3 Bonnie

Originally Posted by ivan11787

I never claimed that you were leading those CoM raids.

/Aza

Meh, then why are we even talking about this?

If I had my druthers, it would just be Rikz and me roaming around like the good old days, but Turbine kinda got it right this time. Everything is much more balanced now and the smaller Freep group doesn't win unless the Creeps play particularly poorly. Add to that that Creeps have almost twice the Freep numbers according to Surugi. I know not all these guys play any significant amount of time, but it's no great intellectual leap to say that Creeps usually have greater numbers.

So I will repeat my previous statement, Freep groups need to get larger to deal with all the extra Creeps these days. Someday we may be able to get back to small group fighting, but a combination of factors makes that rather unprofitable these days.

Originally Posted by RtrnofdMax

Now, nearly a 12 man group is the norm. Part of this is having more people interested in grouping up, but it's also become a necessity for survival.

Keep in mind that trading a death for a kill keeps both sides well-fed.

Originally Posted by ivan11787

I will let you in on something. I almost always run around solo until I am zerged a few times, at which point I either group up or raid up, depending on the amount of freeps in the group. Some creeps may always want to raid up, regardless of the situation (normally new creeps) however most of us will only raid up if we are being bullied and decide to fight back.

+rep

Wah. "We can't farm lowbie ranks easy anymore, now we need a zerg and our woogie". Quality.

Bah, check my original post...i'm talking about down times, when there is NO raid out on either side. When it's ungrouped creeps doing quests OR small groups of freeps roaming on a Red map. I'll GIVE a group a kill or two just to get a 1v1...what prompted my post was a 3 man freep group that decided for better or worse, a 3v1 was a better option for them on 3 successive occasions. Then, when i grouped with tribemates to make it a 3v3, it turned into a 7+v3.

Has this happened to freeps....sure, we've all had these days and I'm sure i'll see more in the future. My post was just to get folks to think every now and then instead of pushing buttons first thing.

Nah Coullion it was in response to:

Originally Posted by RtrnofdMax

Two key things I have noticed in my CoM groups are:

1) We can't steamroll larger numbers as well as we used to. This is fine and not a complaint, just a fact. However, it does lead into point number two.

We cool *creep bro secret handshake*.

I never get 1v1's. So I challenge myself in other ways, lastnight I fought a champ 1v1 (oh I was in the middle of EC though), he popped 2 bubbles and big heal so I bailed at 3k morale. He chased me with full health behind ec where I beat him like he owed me money ( man heal came into play back there also lol).

Originally Posted by HeavyManners

Nah Coullion it was in response to:
We cool *creep bro secret handshake*.

I never get 1v1's. So I challenge myself in other ways, lastnight I fought a champ 1v1 (oh I was in the middle of EC though), he popped 2 bubbles and big heal so I bailed at 3k morale. He chased me with full health behind ec where I beat him like he owed me money ( man heal came into play back there also lol).

Never say never.

Reported for what rubicon said in kin chat

Originally Posted by astalyn

Keep in mind that trading a death for a kill keeps both sides well-fed.

That's why I had so much fun joining Meanmrmustard or Aza during their almost suicidal raids...curse you Turbine for not making my warg free!! QQ

+rep for the post by the way.

There's been only a couple times I've come out to the Moors and there wasn't a full Creep raid going that made me raid up to survive.

It be nice if I could survive solo outside a raid during these times, but I can't, because some meaniehead likes to zerg me first all the time. :P

Originally Posted by Laetha

There's been only a couple times I've come out to the Moors and there wasn't a full Creep raid going that made me raid up to survive.

It be nice if I could survive solo outside a raid during these times, but I can't, because some meaniehead likes to zerg me first all the time. :P

reroll burg :P It's so nice to watch the raid vs solo action from stealth every now and then, knowing I'm 100% safe.

Dude...I can't count how many times I have been zerged while questing in the Moors. Just questing...not raiding. Then again, I am as guilty as the next person of zerging those that zerg. It is a vicious cycle!!!

Yesterday, 10/29/2011, Freeps go to Grothum to do quests; What happens; Zerged by wargs and a WL. I was one of those that went there to quest and was zerged. In response, it is only natural that we are going to group up to quest. We have no choice if we are going to be farmed by the roving zerg squads of creeps and their pocket healers.

When we do get zerged, we tend to want to group up and fight back because we have that "Won't Back Down" attitude. Even though it is just a game, people tend to have long memories of being zerged, and whodunnit. This in turn leads to resentment and a desire for revenge; It is the human element. This is a problem that will probably not go away any time soon.

I do find it amazing, that some creeps zerg and then don't want to be zerged when they are on their own. This is not aimed at any creep in general as I tend to live in a glass house when it comes to this subject, and cannot afford to throw rocks (even though I do at times). Mea Culpa!!!

Believe it or not, even in one of Adino's raids there are some of us who stay on our horses when we come upon a lone creep, and do not join in the zerg. And, Adino hasn't been raiding a whole lot until lately. Most of the time we freeps don't group up, but prefer to solo and just communicate with each other about what is going on.

I don't really have a solution...except to say, "Do unto others".

Originally Posted by Lagnaf

I do find it amazing, that some creeps zerg and then don't want to be zerged when they are on their own.

I find it amazing that there are freeps with this same mentality. I can't count the amount of times I have had regular complainers and rage-loggers about this behaviour (on both sides) zerg myself and others. It's always amusing to see.

Originally Posted by Lagnaf

We have no choice if we are going to be farmed by the roving zerg squads of creeps and freeps and their pocket healers.

FTFY.

I admit though, that I find the pocket healer slam amusing, I hear it all the time toward freeps and creeps alike. Sounds more like a complaint about things not being easy enough. Not sure why having a healer around is supposed to be a bad thing. Besides, healers need love too.

Originally Posted by Lagnaf

Believe it or not, even in one of Adino's raids there are some of us who stay on our horses when we come upon a lone creep, and do not join in the zerg.

To be fair, there are creeps that do this as well. People on both sides generally take note of this sort of behavior and remember the courtesy in the future. I know I do.

Originally Posted by Lagnaf

I don't really have a solution...except to say, "Do unto others".

Indeed. Unfortunately, this is lost on those that simply do not care and love feeling uber by greybarring and Rv1 people. The mentality often seems to be more like "Do unto me as I demand, while taking it up the rear from me."

<3 Bonnie

Originally Posted by MrJaZn

reroll burg :P It's so nice to watch the raid vs solo action from stealth every now and then, knowing I'm 100% safe.

Until you get spam tracked

Originally Posted by Summberbell

I admit though, that I find the pocket healer slam amusing, I hear it all the time toward freeps and creeps alike. Sounds more like a complaint about things not being easy enough. Not sure why having a healer around is supposed to be a bad thing. Besides, healers need love too.

Defilers and warleaders are more than capable of soloing. You know how many high-ranked creep heals there are on this server? And how many of them aren't dubbed "pocket healers"?

The #1 reason I find pocket healers annoying is because I will be attacking someone 1v1 on my level 68 minstrel and suddenly a rank 7 defiler/warleader comes in and 3k heals/hots him completely.... fail.

I do that all the time. See a burg or somebody trying to kill a freaver or lowbie when I run by I'll save him denying a kill makes me lol. I especially like to wait and get the freeps hopes up by letting the intended victim's morale get low and act like I'm not going to interfere...then surpise! Renown denied, go get your woogie and weep softly.

there are some freeps who have class. just today i kept checking in on grothum and was killing freeps left and right who were trying to quest ( HH payback is a :P ) so i parked myself outside to make it more fair without npcs interfering. 3 unranked freeps come riding up and i lay into em. After the first one died i see lemblod come rolling up and braced for a massive buttwhooping, but he just let me finish the 3 freeps and then had a 1v1 afterwards. Its that kinda stuff thats great to see.

Originally Posted by astalyn

Defilers and warleaders are more than capable of soloing.

So are minis and RKs and Captains. In fact any class on either side is more than capable of soloing. Why does that matter?

I'm all for solo play and bettering oneself, but I don't think anyone should be required to solo all the time just because they can.

Originally Posted by astalyn

You know how many high-ranked creep heals there are on this server? And how many of them aren't dubbed "pocket healers"?

No different from freepside.

As far as I know, I've never been called a pocket healer, at least not to my face. It's well known I pretty much always run in a duo/trio with Chef/Rubi. I have since day one and I continue to. I guess the difference is I won't just start healing when it's not necessary and will always respect honest 1v1s. Of course, we are usually too busy rushing into keeps and numbers greater than our own.

If I'm referred to as one, so be it. Doesn't really offend me to be doing my job as a healer and having fun with my boys. It makes me laugh because obviously someone is upset they didn't get an easy kill. I get focused fired and zerged more than my fair share whether I'm solo, duo/trio or in a larger group. I dunno, just seems there's a lot more complaining anymore and it always seems to come down to someone not getting a kill they wanted. It happens. Win some, lose some. It's the way of the Moors.

Originally Posted by astalyn

The #1 reason I find pocket healers annoying is because I will be attacking someone 1v1 on my level 68 minstrel and suddenly a rank 7 defiler/warleader comes in and 3k heals/hots him completely.... fail.

That's just players without a clue and no respect for 1v1s. Plenty of those on both sides regardless of whether they are healers or not, who will ruin a good fight hoping to get their piece of the renown/infamy pie... or just to grief others.

These 1v1s, are they agreed upon or surprise 1v1s? It's one thing to ruin an agreed upon 1v1, it's another to run up and help someone who is in need of it or obviously not up to the challenge and trying to get away. I just mean to say, sometimes you'll run up and see someone in need of help or crying out for it. If it's an agreed upon 1v1, however, then yes it's completely lame for anyone to interfere. And I have spoken until I was blue in the face against people who do this.

I don't know... so many rules. Everyone has their own. Everything everyone does ticks someone else off at some point, you just can't win it seems. I try to be as respectful and courteous as I can while respecting my personal rules and the rules of others, but nothing is perfect. People always find a reason or an insult toward other players when they don't win. It's like everyone has tunnel vision and thinks bad things only happen to them or that they are saints. I just try to play by my own rules I guess, if that upsets someone, oh well, can't please everyone. I usually just get thanked with a zerg.

And will you finish leveling your mini already, lady?

<3 Bonnie

Originally Posted by astalyn

on my level 68 minstrel

There is one of your problems right there

i think the only real pocket healer freepside is cariance with rikz. all of the veteran creeps know if you want to kill rikz you have to take cariance out first or it wont happen. theres plenty of other healers who run around duo or small group healing but they are just playing their class. and for the record im not complaining about cariance, just pointing it out, its always a fun challenge when those two are running around

Well, I see both sides of the argument. In my own personal flair for the suicidal, I wont hesitate to charge into a group twenty size my number. On the flip side, if I am solo, and see a 1v1, i'll park it and watch, and stand by in case the inevitable zerg ball from either side shows up. The Goat was camped in TRHS last night, war banner up, and in the open. It was plain to see by all with common sense he wanted to 1v1. I rode up on him, fought him, got beat, and rode back, bowed, and carried on. This behavior instills two things, in my opinion. One, it shows respect. I know he wont attack me on my way back to show him my respect for beating me soundly. Two, it also means the next time I am hunting solo, and a large group rolls up on me, maybe, just maybe, they will pause, allow me to collect my wits, and give me a fair fight. Hopefully all creeps know by now I wont run from ya, no matter the numbers,. Ill gladly throw myself to the wolves to get a good fight,. Even when I know i wont win, Ill do it. I enjoy the thrill, the rush, and get personal satisfaction knowing I am wreaking chaos.

So Alan, I applaud your statement and plea. No matter how much Soviets confesses to zergging 1v1's, or The Chef, or whoever, the fact is most ranked creeps pause to assess the situation in front of them. Including the above named. I respect every one of them. I learned a long time ago I have to give to get.

T-Bow aka Mother Theresa, I was hoping you were going to bring this up
I can only imagine you're talking about a couple of days ago when your group of 5 came across me solo TA lawn and failed to kill me before I ninjad a kb on the under levelled warden sorry you guys fail at focus firing and killing someone when you have 5x their numbers. Maybe you should take lessons from 5-6 from that "classy" freepside kin that needs an entire group to camp the rez, they seem to have perfected the hardmode of killing solos and running/mapping when they're facing even numbers.

Carry on with your posturing Mr. Troll I'm sure you'll have plenty of freeps to comiserate with

Originally Posted by ThunderbowStormshard

Well, I see both sides of the argument. In my own personal flair for the suicidal, I wont hesitate to charge into a group twenty size my number.

Lol, I noticed. You were funny last night. Pure psycho suicidal behaviour over and over. Thanks for the giggles.

Btw, STOP SHOOTING AT ME!

Originally Posted by ThunderbowStormshard

No matter how much Soviets confesses to zergging 1v1's, or The Chef, or whoever, the fact is most ranked creeps pause to assess the situation in front of them. Including the above named. I respect every one of them. I learned a long time ago I have to give to get.

Obviously, I don't know what you are referring to and I saw his comment below, but I've never seen Chef zerging 1v1s without reason. He's all for having 1v1s and respects them all the time. In fact, I often stand by watching when he ends up in a surprise 1v1 leaving it be whether he lives or dies because I know he enjoys the challenge and because I try to keep things fair. Often we end up being roflstomped by a large group/raid in the midst of an impromptu 1v1 anyway. /shrug, it happens.

Only time I have seen him blow up 1v1s is when it's well deserved - he's been ganked, zerged, his 1v1 interrupted, someone who deserves it by reputation/actions, etc. Then again, he is a bloodthirsty beast and sometimes the bloodrage gets the better of him, who knows what he's up to when I'm not around to keep him on a short leash. But I do have a hard time he's just out randomly ruining 1v1s.

<3 Bonnie, dying a slow death and giving into the dark side

Originally Posted by TheMortician

Maybe you should take lessons from 5-6 from that "classy" freepside kin that needs an entire group to camp the rez, they seem to have perfected the hardmode of killing solos and running/mapping when they're facing even numbers.

Aren't you still in that kin, Chef or did you finally leave them?

/Aza

Originally Posted by ivan11787

Aren't you still in that kin, Chef or did you finally leave them?

/Aza

Look at you in all your cute passive aggressive glory