Thread: How long will champs stay this strong? :)

with burgs, minis and rks OP, champs being too strong is not really #1 issue

Champs have had it hard for some time, it's about time they get an all right buff. I hope to see more in the morres, it still is hard to play a champ as far as I'm aware of.

Good luck to future champs.

Originally Posted by stoffi

Said that other champ/freep.....



Seriously, guys, come up with something else.... How can you play a reaver badly at high rank? You attack, you press buttons, that's it. There are no super duper ways of winning. And all the time, that BA is hitting the champ with a ranged attack, and how can you do THAT poorly? If that BA had been a hunter, the champ would have died within 5 seconds, no exaggeration.

This video is just a visualisation of what we're all saying. As a rank 10 warg, I usually can't even beat the poorest champs unless they are really poor, and the good ones, lol, no chance in hell there. Champs will get a nerf soon, no question about it.

yawn. hurpa durpa

Originally Posted by theanoyingdevil01

I like how you put the little smile in the title.

Just to indicate that my tone was a smiling/friendly tone and not an angry one. And ofc, being amused on forehand about the responces which would come.

Originally Posted by Thane9

If removing Glory from the Champ is a nerf. I for one would LOVE for my class to get nerfed.

Champs needed some love, but NOT this tanking nonsense. We needed a more reliable way to engage in the fight and hit harder. Nothing more.

Well said by a champ.



And well said by Beleg.

Originally Posted by stoffi

As a rank 10 warg, I usually can't even beat the poorest champs unless they are really poor, and the good ones, lol, no chance in hell there. Champs will get a nerf soon, no question about it.

This is a lie. You must be an absolutely TERRIBLE player to lose to a Champ on your warg. Just ask the champs in this thread. Amirite?

Originally Posted by stoffi

Said that other champ/freep.....



Seriously, guys, come up with something else.... How can you play a reaver badly at high rank? You attack, you press buttons, that's it. There are no super duper ways of winning. And all the time, that BA is hitting the champ with a ranged attack, and how can you do THAT poorly? If that BA had been a hunter, the champ would have died within 5 seconds, no exaggeration.

This video is just a visualisation of what we're all saying. As a rank 10 warg, I usually can't even beat the poorest champs unless they are really poor, and the good ones, lol, no chance in hell there. Champs will get a nerf soon, no question about it.

If you can't see why the players in that video are incredibly bad (at PvP) then that goes a long way to explain most of what you post on the forums.

Originally Posted by AroJay

This is a lie. You must be an absolutely TERRIBLE player to lose to a Champ on your warg. Just ask the champs in this thread. Amirite?

If a champ loses to 1 warg, that champ is a terrible player.

I will show you one combat log I had fighting a good champ. He used NO cds, no bubbles, nothing. I died because I forgot to remove SH... So many new skills and buttons, so I did miss a few buttons. ^^

Note that this fight was before the dps update.

### Chat Capture: Combat 10/13 03:47 PM ###
Stoffburz scored a hit with Sudden Pounce on Nargai for 166 Shadow damage to Morale.
Stoffburz scored a critical hit with Unarmed Attack on Nargai for 98 Shadow damage to Morale.
Stoffburz scored a hit with Unarmed Attack on Nargai for 46 Shadow damage to Morale.
Stoffburz scored a hit with Scratch and Snip on Nargai for 270 Shadow damage to Morale.
Stoffburz scored a critical hit with Scratch and Snip on Nargai for 404 Shadow damage to Morale.
Stoffburz scored a hit with Unarmed Attack on Nargai for 65 Shadow damage to Morale.
Stoffburz scored a hit with Unarmed Attack on Nargai for 46 Shadow damage to Morale.
Nargai scored a hit with Swift Strike on Stoffburz for 426 Westernesse damage to Morale.
You have lost 1,000 points of temporary Morale!
Stoffburz applied a benefit with Shadow Howler on Stoffburz.
You have lost 415 points of temporary Morale!
Nargai scored a hit with a melee attack on Stoffburz for 415 Westernesse damage to Morale.
Stoffburz scored a hit with Unarmed Attack on Nargai for 71 Shadow damage to Morale.
Stoffburz scored a hit with Unarmed Attack on Nargai for 51 Shadow damage to Morale.
Stoffburz missed trying to use Swipe on Nargai.
Stoffburz scored a critical hit with Eye Rake on Nargai.
Stoffburz scored a hit with Eye Rake on Nargai for 246 Shadow damage to Morale.
Nargai scored a critical hit with Wild Attack on Stoffburz for 1,162 Westernesse damage to Morale.
You have lost 585 points of temporary Morale!
Painful Price scored a hit on Stoffburz for 140 Common damage to Morale.
Nargai scored a hit with a melee attack on Stoffburz for 319 Westernesse damage to Morale.
Nargai scored a hit with Swift Strike on Stoffburz for 375 Westernesse damage to Morale.
Stoffburz scored a hit with Unarmed Attack on Nargai for 71 Shadow damage to Morale.
Stoffburz scored a hit with Unarmed Attack on Nargai for 51 Shadow damage to Morale.
Nargai scored a critical hit with Remorseless Strike on Stoffburz for 2,719 Westernesse damage to Morale.

At this point, Nargai has done as much dmg as I did throughout the entire fight.


Stoffburz scored a hit with Crippling Bite on Nargai.
Nargai missed trying to use a ranged attack on Stoffburz.
Nargai scored a hit with Hamstring on Stoffburz for 482 Westernesse damage to Morale.
Nargai scored a hit with a ranged attack on Stoffburz for 177 Beleriand damage to Morale.
Stoffburz scored a hit with Savage Wound on Nargai for 113 Shadow damage to Morale.
Stoffburz scored a hit with Savage Fangs on Nargai.
Stoffburz scored a hit with Savage Wound on Nargai for 80 Shadow damage to Morale.
Nargai scored a hit with Wild Attack on Stoffburz for 342 Westernesse damage to Morale.
Stoffburz scored a hit with Maul on Nargai for 182 Shadow damage to Morale.
Nargai missed trying to use Swift Strike on Stoffburz.
Stoffburz scored a hit with Savage Wound on Nargai for 72 Shadow damage to Morale.
Nargai missed trying to use a ranged attack on Stoffburz.
Stoffburz scored a hit with Flea Bitten on Nargai.
Stoffburz scored a hit with Maul on Nargai for 79 Shadow damage to Morale.
Stoffburz scored a hit with Savage Wound on Nargai for 75 Shadow damage to Morale.
Nargai scored a hit with Wild Attack on Stoffburz for 429 Westernesse damage to Morale.
Stoffburz scored a hit with Maul on Nargai for 82 Shadow damage to Morale.
Nargai missed trying to use a ranged attack on Stoffburz.
Stoffburz scored a devastating hit with Eye Rake on Nargai.
Stoffburz scored a hit with Savage Wound on Nargai for 74 Shadow damage to Morale.
Nargai scored a hit with Swift Strike on Stoffburz for 330 Westernesse damage to Morale.
Stoffburz scored a critical hit with Eye Rake on Nargai for 554 Shadow damage to Morale.
Stoffburz scored a hit with Maul on Nargai for 66 Shadow damage to Morale.
Stoffburz applied a benefit with Frenzy on Stoffburz.
Nargai scored a hit with Rend on Stoffburz for 297 Westernesse damage to Morale.
Stoffburz scored a hit with Savage Wound on Nargai for 85 Shadow damage to Morale.
Stoffburz scored a hit with Unarmed Attack on Nargai for 71 Shadow damage to Morale.
Stoffburz scored a critical hit with Unarmed Attack on Nargai for 76 Shadow damage to Morale.
Nargai scored a hit with a melee attack on Stoffburz for 369 Westernesse damage to Morale.
Stoffburz scored a critical hit with Maul on Nargai for 106 Shadow damage to Morale.
Nargai scored a hit with Bleeding on Stoffburz for 78 Westernesse damage to Morale.
Stoffburz scored a hit with Savage Wound on Nargai for 86 Shadow damage to Morale.
Stoffburz scored a hit with Crippling Bite on Nargai.
Nargai scored a hit with Swift Strike on Stoffburz for 393 Westernesse damage to Morale.
Stoffburz scored a hit with Maul on Nargai for 69 Shadow damage to Morale.
Nargai scored a hit with Bleeding on Stoffburz for 78 Westernesse damage to Morale.
Stoffburz scored a critical hit with Savage Wound on Nargai for 121 Shadow damage to Morale.
Stoffburz scored a hit with Pounce on Nargai.
Nargai missed trying to use a ranged attack on Stoffburz.
Nargai scored a hit with Bleeding on Stoffburz for 78 Westernesse damage to Morale.
Stoffburz scored a hit with Savage Wound on Nargai for 79 Shadow damage to Morale.
Nargai scored a hit with Bracing Attack on Stoffburz for 375 Westernesse damage to Morale.
Stoffburz scored a hit with Pounce on Nargai for 246 Shadow damage to Morale.
Stoffburz scored a hit with Unarmed Attack on Nargai for 71 Shadow damage to Morale.
Stoffburz scored a hit with Unarmed Attack on Nargai for 51 Shadow damage to Morale.
Nargai scored a hit with Bleeding on Stoffburz for 78 Westernesse damage to Morale.
Nargai scored a hit with a melee attack on Stoffburz for 393 Westernesse damage to Morale.
Stoffburz scored a hit with Savage Wound on Nargai for 65 Shadow damage to Morale.
Stoffburz scored a hit with Tendon Shred on Nargai for 170 Shadow damage to Morale.
Stoffburz scored a hit with Unarmed Attack on Nargai for 71 Shadow damage to Morale.
Nargai reflected 54 Shadow damage to the Morale of Stoffburz.
Stoffburz scored a hit with Unarmed Attack on Nargai for 51 Shadow damage to Morale.
Nargai reflected 54 Shadow damage to the Morale of Stoffburz.
You have lost 54 points of temporary Morale!
You have lost 54 points of temporary Morale!
Nargai scored a hit with Bleeding on Stoffburz for 78 Westernesse damage to Morale.
You have lost 78 points of temporary Morale!
Stoffburz scored a critical hit with Savage Wound on Nargai for 123 Shadow damage to Morale.
You have lost 54 points of temporary Morale!
Stoffburz scored a critical hit with Scratch and Snip on Nargai for 443 Shadow damage to Morale.
Nargai reflected 54 Shadow damage to the Morale of Stoffburz.
You have lost 54 points of temporary Morale!
Stoffburz scored a hit with Scratch and Snip on Nargai for 295 Shadow damage to Morale.
Nargai reflected 54 Shadow damage to the Morale of Stoffburz.
You have lost 253 points of temporary Morale!
Nargai scored a partially evaded hit with a melee attack on Stoffburz for 253 Westernesse damage to Morale.
Nargai scored a hit with Bleeding on Stoffburz for 78 Westernesse damage to Morale.
Nargai scored a hit with Horn on Stoffburz.
You have lost 78 points of temporary Morale!
Nothing to cure.
Nargai scored a hit with Ferocious Strikes on Stoffburz for 344 Westernesse damage to Morale.
You have lost 344 points of temporary Morale!
You have lost 31 points of temporary Morale!
Nargai scored a hit with a melee attack on Stoffburz for 363 Westernesse damage to Morale.
Nargai scored a hit with Ferocious Strikes on Stoffburz for 539 Westernesse damage to Morale.
Nargai scored a hit with Ferocious Strikes on Stoffburz for 464 Westernesse damage to Morale.
Nargai scored a hit with Clobber on Stoffburz for 450 Westernesse damage to Morale.
Increased Power applied a heal to Stoffburz restoring 743 points to Power.
Increased Morale applied a heal to Stoffburz restoring 789 points to Morale.
Nargai scored a hit with a melee attack on Stoffburz for 331 Westernesse damage to Morale.
Nargai scored a critical hit with Remorseless Strike on Stoffburz for 2,796 Westernesse damage to Morale.
Stoffburz scored a critical hit with Unarmed Attack on Nargai for 107 Shadow damage to Morale.
Nargai reflected 54 Shadow damage to the Morale of Stoffburz.
Stoffburz scored a hit with Unarmed Attack on Nargai for 51 Shadow damage to Morale.
Nargai missed trying to use a ranged attack on Stoffburz.
Nargai incapacitated you.
Nargai scored a hit with Merciful Strike on Stoffburz for 750 Westernesse damage to Morale.
You succumb to your wounds.
Stoffburz applied a benefit with Stealth on Stoffburz.
Stoffburz applied a benefit with Sense Prey on Stoffburz.


Stoffburz 5276 dmg

Nargai 15756 dmg

Now, we all know my dps has gone up, but this champ used no cds to fight me and has a long range of skills available to him if things got bad.

The video in the initial post says it all. Little need to discuss when it's all visualised.

Originally Posted by stoffi

If a champ loses to 1 warg, that champ is a terrible player.

I will show you one combat log I had fighting a good champ. He used NO cds, no bubbles, nothing. I died because I forgot to remove SH... So many new skills and buttons, so I did miss a few buttons. ^^

Note that this fight was before the dps update.



Now, we all know my dps has gone up, but this champ used no cds to fight me and has a long range of skills available to him if things got bad.

The video in the initial post says it all. Little need to discuss when it's all visualised.

I'll just go for brevity. You can't beat champs 1v1, posted a video of a champ killing some greenies in tanking build and they need to be nerfed. Is that correct?

The champ in the vid is wearing almost ALL old heal proc gear that is the only reason he was holding the adds and creeps at the same time, there isnt a single top end champ that is going to sacrafice 30% of their Moff just to be able to do what this champ is doing, if he were fighting acctually good creeps he would have died very fast acctually im sorry but 2 bas both doing Headshot,VT,Revenge would have killed him.. the BAs were terrible

Is the OP serious?

Just out of curiosity, if I start looking for a pre cj FIX "Nerf Wargs CJs" thread made by this guy, will I find it?.

Just for you to know, this guy from the video is an exceptional soloer, you can check his thread out @champion forums, so ... thats why he always run in glory.

Ive tested the tank build in the moors, and, even when it helps your survival a lot, it still brings down your dps a lot. Ive done 1v1s against (really good) reavers and i performed better with my old dps build than with the "new" tank build (always without using bubbles) lost some, won others and also had a couple of 1v1s against (really good) wargs and same result, in matter of fact, i died more to wargs with the tank build, and crushed them with my dps build.

I guess is time for some people to learn how to fight a champ instead of just LoLkillthissquishyheavyarmour.

a Nerf call coming from the hips and sprint kings, lol.

I almost forgot the new shadow howlers bubble each 30sec. LOOOL!

Originally Posted by Naninga

Ive tested the tank build in the moors, and, even when it helps your survival a lot, it still brings down your dps a lot. Ive done 1v1s against (really good) reavers and i performed better with my old dps build than with the "new" tank build (always without using bubbles) lost some, won others and also had a couple of 1v1s against (really good) wargs and same result, in matter of fact, i died more to wargs with the tank build, and crushed them with my dps build.

I guess is time for some people to learn how to fight a champ instead of just LoLkillthissquishyheavyarmour.

So you're saying champs aren't OP because you don't use bubbles yourself in tank build?

Originally Posted by TizianEnel

So you're saying champs aren't OP because you don't use bubbles yourself in tank build?

No, he's saying champs aren't OP because they aren't. Just to clarify.

Originally Posted by Naninga

Is the OP serious?

Ive tested the tank build in the moors, and, even when it helps your survival a lot, it still brings down your dps a lot. Ive done 1v1s against (really good) reavers and i performed better with my old dps build than with the "new" tank build (always without using bubbles) lost some, won others and also had a couple of 1v1s against (really good) wargs and same result, in matter of fact, i died more to wargs with the tank build, and crushed them with my dps build.

So you're saying that when you build for survivability you die or don't do as well because you don't use the skills given to you? I don't think champs need to be nerfed, but that is a poor argument against being nerfed. If you build for survivability, dps will go down, I don't know of any class where that is any different, creep or freep.

First off I apologize for the massive uproar from that video. With the entire community of creeps dealing with the initial burst in champion strength posting this video was just bad timing on my part. I find changing builds for situational encounters to be more fun than just building my toon the way it's supposed to be. I had great success with PVE and have found a lot of Gems for PVMP. For a lot of people that feel I am wearing mostly old gear than why am I at such high morale? My entire gear setup is almost complete and I will be wearing only 1 old gear piece when done.

Yes I could roll a guard or a Warden but I already have and built close builds. I just love my Champ and always will.

Surprisingly I get a lot of compliments from creeps on this build because it is that much fun to fight me I guess. I also get a lot of disappointed creeps that are wanting to 1vs1 but the other creeps won't let off which is happening a lot.

For all the player haters out there did it ever occur that these players were just not playing too there full potential? Why did the Defiler leave? I usually die a lot faster than this and I feel that these creeps were not intending to defeat me that fast. I just liked the video because I thought it was entertaining.

I have had a lot of messages on youtube for this build and I feel that this will in the end only hurt the Champion Class. I have decided that I will just keep it to myself.

Once again I apologize to the Creep freep community, I did not realize there was so much creep freep fighting off the game within the forums. I am new at PVMP and love to make videos. Maybe not such a great idea.

Also saying that I am new at PVMP I have ordered a Logitech G13 today. Because of all the terrible player comments, if I catch you by yourself in the moors this keyboard turner is going to slay you.

Sorry for the PVMP community upset

Athelious

Originally Posted by Thorandril

No, he's saying champs aren't OP because they aren't. Just to clarify.

Lol at saying champs aint OP. Champs OP everyone can see that except people like you who dont want their own class to be nerfed.

Originally Posted by Blynjar

Lol at saying champs aint OP. Champs OP everyone can see that except people like you who dont want their own class to be nerfed.

I'd discuss the finer points of your excellent argument, but you seem to be rather dull. As such here's a fuzzy otter

Feel free to say "I told you so" when the apparent nerf comes, you might be waiting awhile. That is of course until the whiners pick up in speed and number, then Turbine will cave like they always do.

As for the OP, he seems to be feeling entitled to a champion nerf because he can't beat them 1v1, which though is a shame is a pretty poor argument for a nerf on his part. How often do you think you're going to win against a champion with cooldowns anyways?

Originally Posted by Thorandril

I'd discuss the finer points of your excellent argument, but you seem to be rather dull. As such here's a fuzzy otter

Feel free to say "I told you so" when the apparent nerf comes, you might be waiting awhile. That is of course until the whiners pick up in speed and number, then Turbine will cave like they always do.

As for the OP, he seems to be feeling entitled to a champion nerf because he can't beat them 1v1, which though is a shame is a pretty poor argument for a nerf on his part. How often do you think you're going to win against a champion with cooldowns anyways?

That gif may be one of the cutest things I have ever seen.

Originally Posted by stoffi

How does a BA kite a class with spammable sprint and slow?

Note that all the creeps were high ranked except the rank 5 reaver, so you can't blame it on bad players. The reavers go all out attack, nothing more they could do. Also, can't you see the champ has 4! npcs on him most of the fight? 4 npcs on my warg would mean death in not many seconds, even without freeps attacking me.
The video represents the reality of the moors, champs are stupidly strong and they will see a serious nerf coming in the future.

Hey My Youtube debut!!!! I hope I get best supporting Reaver!!!


Tks Stoffi, I am the Rank 5 Rever in teh Video and the BA and Defiler are good players IMHO. I think you can count 5 bubbles in that fight and don't know how many sprints and horns. Was actually fun and amusing being there twice for me .. LOL due to my death. I did what any reaver could and that was try to dps him down, but with even a defiler and a BA he did not go down fast enough.

Who ever think thats it due to bad creep play should go out and spar the same champ I have alot of respece for Sputem and Tarburz.....

Before that it was Me a Spider and the BA and the fight was just as tough.

Originally Posted by Kingtheo

First off I apologize for the massive uproar from that video. With the entire community of creeps dealing with the initial burst in champion strength posting this video was just bad timing on my part. I find changing builds for situational encounters to be more fun than just building my toon the way it's supposed to be. I had great success with PVE and have found a lot of Gems for PVMP. For a lot of people that feel I am wearing mostly old gear than why am I at such high morale? My entire gear setup is almost complete and I will be wearing only 1 old gear piece when done.

Yes I could roll a guard or a Warden but I already have and built close builds. I just love my Champ and always will.

Surprisingly I get a lot of compliments from creeps on this build because it is that much fun to fight me I guess. I also get a lot of disappointed creeps that are wanting to 1vs1 but the other creeps won't let off which is happening a lot.

For all the player haters out there did it ever occur that these players were just not playing too there full potential? Why did the Defiler leave? I usually die a lot faster than this and I feel that these creeps were not intending to defeat me that fast. I just liked the video because I thought it was entertaining.

I have had a lot of messages on youtube for this build and I feel that this will in the end only hurt the Champion Class. I have decided that I will just keep it to myself.

Once again I apologize to the Creep freep community, I did not realize there was so much creep freep fighting off the game within the forums. I am new at PVMP and love to make videos. Maybe not such a great idea.

Also saying that I am new at PVMP I have ordered a Logitech G13 today. Because of all the terrible player comments, if I catch you by yourself in the moors this keyboard turner is going to slay you.

Sorry for the PVMP community upset

Athelious

Athelious,

No need to apologise here .. I had a blast during that fight (think we had a few up there) trying to get you down. Hey if you can get a build like that you might as well.. hey Turbine will prob try to fix it and you might as well get the kills while you can. hey i am sure as a champ you took your fair share of kills before the update. I would say before the up date those 3 on 1's with 4 NPC's would have made those fights quicker...

Tks for the fun in Grothrum

Originally Posted by stoffi

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPkNR...el_video_title

Those are some very not good PvPers.

Originally Posted by DATmadild

I am the Rank 5 Rever in teh Video and the BA and Defiler are good players IMHO.

People are entitled to their opinions but, when the BA in that video can't do the simplest thing like put a hinder on the champ (champ pretty much refused to hamstring as well), then I'm going to say that your opinion is wrong.

Name one scenario in the moors where you wouldn't put a slow on your opponent. There's no excuse for it other than flat out poor play.

Originally Posted by KillGore81

People are entitled to their opinions but, when the BA in that video can't do the simplest thing like put a hinder on the champ (champ pretty much refused to hamstring as well), then I'm going to say that your opinion is wrong.

Name one scenario in the moors where you wouldn't put a slow on your opponent. There's no excuse for it other than flat out poor play.

I don't think a Hinder would have turned the tide....

Originally Posted by KillGore81

People are entitled to their opinions but, when the BA in that video can't do the simplest thing like put a hinder on the champ (champ pretty much refused to hamstring as well), then I'm going to say that your opinion is wrong.

Name one scenario in the moors where you wouldn't put a slow on your opponent. There's no excuse for it other than flat out poor play.

Sorry also why waist a dps arrow for hinder when I was constatly using my slow.?

Originally Posted by DATmadild

Sorry also why waist a dps arrow for hinder when I was constatly using my slow.?

... because there were a few times you were dead... where your slow really didn't matter . Namely the first time you died and Ath's sprint wore off. Anyway, another thing to do is attack Ath from his backside... that would either force him to turn and focus ST dps on you, negating his parry to the BA in the back... or a bonus would mean he wouldn't bother attacking you and you wouldn't get the brunt of his glory dps .

Originally Posted by Turin_Turambar_The_F

... because there were a few times you were dead... where your slow really didn't matter . Namely the first time you died and Ath's sprint wore off. Anyway, another thing to do is attack Ath from his backside... that would either force him to turn and focus ST dps on you, negating his parry to the BA in the back... or a bonus would mean he wouldn't bother attacking you and you wouldn't get the brunt of his glory dps .

Tks for the constructive criticism. Good advice…

You can't parry ranged attacks, Champions can't block and evade is 360.

That said

BAs please slow, don't be a nub.

Originally Posted by PropJoe

You can't parry ranged attacks, Champions can't block and evade is 360.

That said

BAs please slow, don't be a nub.

Hmm... did Turbine finally fix it to where all ranged attacks can't be parried... a la gourd and blade toss?

Regardless, it's always better to be at your opponent's back in pvp.

Originally Posted by TizianEnel

So you're saying champs aren't OP because you don't use bubbles yourself in tank build?

No, im not saying that, if you fail to see what im saying you dont know the class. So.. are you saying champs are OP cause you dont understand how the class works?

Originally Posted by tbuck317

So you're saying that when you build for survivability you die or don't do as well because you don't use the skills given to you? I don't think champs need to be nerfed, but that is a poor argument against being nerfed. If you build for survivability, dps will go down, I don't know of any class where that is any different, creep or freep.

Again, no.
The thread title says "How long will champs stay this strong?" so i answered, they are strong cause its a tank build, tanks are strong... a tank champion being strong is not OP is ... well... i just said, a tank.

Now, dont worry, cause as you said, building for survival will bring a champ dps down a lot!!! like any other class!!!! so, conclusion, a suvival build will actually increase a champ survivality? omg! yes!! ...will they still hit hard? not as hard as a dps champ.

how do i beat them? maybe thats why turbine let wargs reach 15k morale and have a bubble each 30secs, you can also try to learn how the champion class works, cause it has its weaknesses.

Originally Posted by Blynjar

Lol at saying champs aint OP. Champs OP everyone can see that except people like you who dont want their own class to be nerfed.

Turbine! nerf champs cause im too lazy to figure out how to beat them! I want my ezmode back!

lol @you that you let a champ burn your 16k morale before you beat them.

Originally Posted by Turin_Turambar_The_F

Hmm... did Turbine finally fix it to where all ranged attacks can't be parried... a la gourd and blade toss?

Regardless, it's always better to be at your opponent's back in pvp.

Some Tactical and I imagine Ranged attacks are somehow classified as being some kind of physical and are subject to things like Parry, the Trees in OD are one example. It's weird but I don't believe it's considered broken, just stupid.

Please, if your going to complain, look at the video before you post..
Disclaimer: I might have missed something somewhere..

2v1
From 0:30 - 1:37 it was BA and Reaver. Reaver died around 1:37

1v1
From 1:38 - 2:20 it was BA solo

2v1
2:21 - 2:50 BA Defiler

3v1
2:51 - 4:07 BA BA Defiler (You can see two fire dots)

Transition
Defiler leaves, Reaver shows up
4:08-4:34 running around

3v1
4:35 - 5:53 BA BA Reaver

Creep Slows in the 3v1
4:36 hamstring
4:37 hinder
4:43 hamstring
4:52 hamstring
4:53 hinder
4:58 BA Snare (if I am not mistaken)
5:01 hinder
5:07 hamstring
5:12 hinder
5:19 hamstring
5:34 hinder
5:38 BA Snare/Hinder AND champ Sprint
5:44 hinder drops
5:53 champ dies

Originally Posted by KillGore81

The only thing worse than the terrble champ in that vid was the terrible BA. After the champs sprint was down, the BA could and SHOULD have kited him into oblivion. I didn't see a single hinder or hamstring used.

Another video that only showcases bad players and not class balance.

EXACTLY MAN

and damn...

That's a wrong video to draw any conclusions about class balance imo. Rarely you see any champs traited glory in ettens. Apart from that, the only thing needed there was a spider or warg and the champ would be as good as dead.

Originally Posted by Blynjar

Lol at saying champs aint OP. Champs OP everyone can see that except people like you who dont want their own class to be nerfed.

I seem to recall you claiming champs were always OP so no changes there

Originally Posted by PhantomPunkk

Those are some very not good PvPers.

Perhaps you failed to see the 4 npcs hitting the champ most of the fight. Were they playing badly as well?

You have no arguments for saying those pvp'ers were poor players, except the BA argument, but a hindering shot would NOT have changed ANYTHING. The champ can easily counter that hindering shot, and maybe the BA knew this.
The reavers and npcs were all hitting the champ, nothing more they could do.

Originally Posted by Naninga

how do i beat them? maybe thats why turbine let wargs reach 15k morale and have a bubble each 30secs, you can also try to learn how the champion class works, cause it has its weaknesses.

15k morale? Wow, I would like to meet that warg!

I run around with 11700 morale, 3 dps and 3 morale corruptions. As for the bubble, it's 1k.... That's not a real bubble.

Originally Posted by Naninga

Turbine! nerf champs cause im too lazy to figure out how to beat them! I want my ezmode back!

lol @you that you let a champ burn your 16k morale before you beat them.

I would like to know how you beat spammable 3-5k crits, such as this one: Sunbeolder scored a critical hit with Remorseless Strike on Stoffburz for 3,608 Beleriand damage to Morale. With bubbles and other skills on top of that, a champion has ~20-25k morale, more in a fight like the one on the video. And then add his sprint, and you a nice escape skill or an offensive skill to counter slows.


You sound a bit hysterical in your post, are you afraid of the upcoming nerf?

Originally Posted by FrozenPenguin

Please, if your going to complain, look at the video before you post..
Disclaimer: I might have missed something somewhere..

2v1
From 0:30 - 1:37 it was BA and Reaver. Reaver died around 1:37

1v1
From 1:38 - 2:20 it was BA solo

2v1
2:21 - 2:50 BA Defiler

3v1
2:51 - 4:07 BA BA Defiler (You can see two fire dots)

Transition
Defiler leaves, Reaver shows up
4:08-4:34 running around

3v1
4:35 - 5:53 BA BA Reaver

Creep Slows in the 3v1
4:36 hamstring
4:37 hinder
4:43 hamstring
4:52 hamstring
4:53 hinder
4:58 BA Snare (if I am not mistaken)
5:01 hinder
5:07 hamstring
5:12 hinder
5:19 hamstring
5:34 hinder
5:38 BA Snare/Hinder AND champ Sprint
5:44 hinder drops
5:53 champ dies

So basically, the BA(s) did put up hindering shot, unlike what some others are claiming... ^^



I see a bunch of champs in this thread desperately trying to disprove this video, telling us the grass is blue and the ocean is purple. When you see a spoon, you should call it a spoon.

Champs are definitely in the #1 OP spot right now

Brutal + Ferocious +Remorseless = insane damage

(Mix in the bubbles + dire need etc )

Originally Posted by stoffi

I run around with 11700 morale, 3 dps and 3 morale corruptions. As for the bubble, it's 1k.... That's not a real bubble.

So a 1k bubble that replenishes itself every 30 seconds from a skill that also increases damage and mitigation is worthless? Then you must think the minstrel bubble is even more worthless at 1.9k costing 5% of total power and on a one minute cooldown and no auto replenish with the only other additional benefit being that they cannot be set-back while it is on.


As far as the video goes, the reaver does an awful job at attempting to kite and not applying a slow while the champ is chasing him. The rank 10 BA near the beginning of the fight gets scared and actually pops moving target because he thinks he's about to get dps'd. Mind you that the only the reason the champ had him targeted was because he un-targeted one of the NPC's and the next hit he took was from the BA which auto-targeted. Seeing how he's only a rank 6 champ, I would guess he doesn't have much experience in the Moors. Overall I would say he did a good job considering for a lower rank he easily handled a terrible reaver and bad high ranked black-arrow plus the additional rank 7 black-arrow that came in to assist near the end. Kudos for trying to go for the 2nd kill on the reaver and not trying run from the enemy like the creeps did whenever they were his target.

Originally Posted by Muzzard

Champs have had it hard for some time, it's about time they get an all right buff.

So champs had it tough is a sufficient reason to make them near god-mode, survivability-wise at least?

Originally Posted by Muzzard

I hope to see more in the morres, it still is hard to play a champ as far as I'm aware of.

Only because the Moors' is still ranged dominated. When put into melee perspective they certainly don't have it tough.

Champs has for a long time been the worst class to play in the moors, I know this because I have played champ there until r7... They didnt have any real moors survivability skills. Armour was usually to #### to make it on top of a bridge when creeps were hugging, before getting to the fight you had roots slows and dots and died after one aoe attack. the damage was then also reduced and morale wad never on level with what was needed to stay up very long. Now, I would admit I wasn't a very good champ by any means but I'm sure not only I realised it was a class not highly represented in the moors. And that for a reason.... They sucked on comparison.

I have long hoped for the to get a real boost and finally it has happend. I agree that it's a huge increaser compared to earlier, but none the less a needed one. And a fair one. Same as the buff BA an WL has got. This has made all these classes more fun for all and they (champs) decreases the amount of drawn out oc pew pew and bridge hugging fights we suffered with before.

I think the update was fair to all, even the nerf in compare to others us burgs get. It's a fair update. And good for us all. I'm not going back on champ myself but it's nice to see them out there picking fights again. /salute to all champs! And for the creeps, get over it. You got more increases then all Freep classes put together. Now go shop

Originally Posted by stoffi

You have no arguments for saying those pvp'ers were poor players, except the BA argument, but a hindering shot would NOT have changed ANYTHING. The champ can easily counter that hindering shot, and maybe the BA knew this.

It's astounding that you're just not understanding what people have been telling you mutliple times.

If the BA would have hindered the champion, then the BA could have ran circles around the champion dpsing him while avoiding damage himself. Yes, champions can counter slows with sprint but, said champion's sprint was down when he killed the reaver.

Are we clear now?

IMO the recent changes brought successful champ play to a more casual level and the older champs a well deserved buff. Get over it. Almost every class has been in the spotlight, now it's our turn. Yeah we'll get nerfed but until then adapt.

And if glory champs are that bad, make it common knowledge that it's the same as a shield trained warden.

Originally Posted by KillGore81

It's astounding that you're just not understanding what people have been telling you mutliple times.

If the BA would have hindered the champion, then the BA could have ran circles around the champion dpsing him while avoiding damage himself. Yes, champions can counter slows with sprint but, said champion's sprint was down when he killed the reaver.

Are we clear now?

You are not understanding what I'm saying. The champ has his own slow which negates the ba slow, and he also had skills in reserve, such as Dire Need.

And you're still not understanding what I'm saying, there were many more ppl hitting the champ than just the BA; amongst them, 4 npcs. 4 npcs. 4 npcs! And again, reavers attacking.

And, you can only but step into the world of PvP to discover this happens every day.
Sadly, Champ is just the tip of the ice berg, there's also rks(with their mystifying flame 700+ dmg dots and writ of fire 700+ dmg dots, the rk being able to do 2180dps with ease) and minstrels, and then we can talk about burgs, tanks and wardens.

But right now, champs are the kings of op and thus is the focus of a lot of people, also the devs I trust.