Thread: ******PETITION****** To return Rallying Cry to its former glory

Originally Posted by Almagnus1

So you'd rather have a 6 second rally cry over 4k Outgoing healing, and (probably) 1.8k finesse?

/boggles

How high do you need finesse though? You can easily get to 2000+ with jewellery and 2 other armor. How does 4k outgoing translate into raw healing output? I think champs/hunters start seeing caps around 1200 (50% dps cap from stats) so with good jewellery and 2 of the new raid items, a 4 set hele build might be viable. I'm at roughly 900 might atm with LIs that are missing relics, quest jewellery, and 2 pieces of that raid set. I dont think I need 2 more pieces to fall into the heal just fine range. I'm still months away from having everything I need, as I'm not going to dump empowerment scrolls into a 3rd age item, so these are just questions atm.

If the difference does turn out to be a couple % points and a reduced cool down on a skill that always misses for me with its best benefit in a traitline I dont run in anymore, the hele set actually isnt looking that bad (at least for trash runs like... well anything but maybe Draigoch atm).

Originally Posted by SGWB

I have to agree with Sherwood here. Even though I think the 6 sec rallying cry is overpowered, I'd grind for any level 75 armor set in a heartbeat that allowed it.

But, I recall an incident about 2 or 3 weeks after the level 65 Helegrod set was released when I was trying to get into a Great Barrows run. The group leader specifically asked if I had the 6 second cooldown and was hesitant to allow me in because I didn't have the pieces yet. It took the voucher of another captain in the group (I think it was Sherwood) before he invited me.

lI remember that actually, =p I understand his hesitation but I wasn't about to let him not invite an Uber captain. It's ironic you joined my old kinship kalbarad, lots of good people in there.

Originally Posted by ydoc

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It's ironic you joined my old kinship kalbarad, lots of good people in there.

I was chuckling about that too. I wonder what would happen if you leave the Brotherhood

Originally Posted by SGWB

I was chuckling about that too. I wonder what would happen if you leave the Brotherhood

I was gonna re-join aegis, but i am still sad that brian stepped down as leader -.-; It also didn't help that the very second Jmez found out i was kinship less he invited me. I already had a lot of friends who were in bots(because I am a pvp addict) it just seemed like a good idea at the time. Haven't regretted it yet.

I got people pulling me from all sides though most notable being Edelanor who wants me to join her kin, Epic moors duo partner and awesome woman. So tempted

I'm sure I'll use 4 Hele while I'm leveling because I love being invincible, but I'll get over 6-second RC.

I was going to be disappointed about losing it until I started using RC after ROI. I'm critting for nearly 2,500 at L66 with L65 gear and only 400 Might. That's enough to ease my pain.

Nope. We do not need this on a new set. If you feel that you do still need a 6s Rallying Cry CD, just put your Helegrod gear back on. I keep 4 pieces in my bags just for this.

Originally Posted by ydoc

I was gonna re-join aegis, but i am still sad that brian stepped down as leader -.-; It also didn't help that the very second Jmez found out i was kinship less he invited me. I already had a lot of friends who were in bots(because I am a pvp addict) it just seemed like a good idea at the time. Haven't regretted it yet.

I got people pulling me from all sides though most notable being Edelanor who wants me to join her kin, Epic moors duo partner and awesome woman. So tempted

Brian is still the raid leader. I think he was just burned out on the day-to-day management. I joined up because Zaharian/Cirdin/etc. used to raid with my old kin, but the kin leadership stopped playing.

Before Moria I used to PvP, but with the Li grind I just don't have enough time to perfect my items and PvP.

There are obvious bonuses to using both sets. I will keep my 4 hele and, in fact, am still using it with 2 75 pieces. I think the power return off Now for Wrath is really what is making me stick with it in groups. In skirmish raids I was comparing the power bar on people in my fellowship to the other group and all power was maxed compared to the other group that was having serious issues (and no we were not running with a LM ;p).

Sadly I find the bonuses for the 75 set somewhat underwhelming...reduced CD of Valiant strike for each RC target...unless you're in HoH for the valiant strike heal to be group wide, doesn't seem that great (especially considering how Lead the Charge seems to be the line of choice since RoI)...

Originally Posted by MrMirkwood

There are obvious bonuses to using both sets. I will keep my 4 hele and, in fact, am still using it with 2 75 pieces. I think the power return off Now for Wrath is really what is making me stick with it in groups. In skirmish raids I was comparing the power bar on people in my fellowship to the other group and all power was maxed compared to the other group that was having serious issues (and no we were not running with a LM ;p).

Sadly I find the bonuses for the 75 set somewhat underwhelming...reduced CD of Valiant strike for each RC target...unless you're in HoH for the valiant strike heal to be group wide, doesn't seem that great (especially considering how Lead the Charge seems to be the line of choice since RoI)...

Yeah, but your outgoing healing is going to be less than a captain who went with the newer set, your finesse will be lower, your crit junk.

In short, sure you have a 6 second Rally Cry, but everything else that actually matters is going to be lower.

The trade-off isn't worth it.

Originally Posted by Almagnus1

Yeah, but your outgoing healing is going to be less than a captain who went with the newer set, your finesse will be lower, your crit junk.

In short, sure you have a 6 second Rally Cry, but everything else that actually matters is going to be lower.

The trade-off isn't worth it.

I agree
=)...

I don't think this is necessary. Off the top of my head I can only think of two instances where a 6 second rallying cry was extremely useful: Sammath Gul and GB Maze. In both of those instances you needed good heals and you had a huge amount of trash mobs to kill and therefore lots of defeat events. Most of the other raids/instances that I have run will not give defeat events every 6 seconds and therefore a 15 second rallying cry is fine. Besides the lvl 65 helegrod gear is still around, if we absolutely need a 6 second rallying cry nothing says we can't swap a few pieces around and use it.

Wow a thread to complain about the 15s Rc...i love my cappy even more now than ever.

Captain heals are more powerful then than ever. We are nearly to OP healing level for groups.

/unsigned

I think the fact that we're having an argument about this is really a statement that we have two viable options

Besides that. Roll with what you like, or swap between them in situations you think better suits.

My opinion. Don't give us a new hele. Keep the choice interesting.

Originally Posted by MessyR

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Learn to use 15s RC. To many captains relayed on the hele set for to long.

Not the captain relied on it - the minstrels - that now finally need to learn how to properly heal!

/unsigned - not necessary at all!

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Unless it were just to get rid of the silly yell; /cheer is *not* motivating. Not on the battlefield anyway, maybe in the Prancing Pony post-raid...

Please can anyone delete this silly thread?

Forget old times, new days of glory is here

Look at the new "raid" set bonuses they are way better than the old and let you trait as you want

I have a simple solution to this problem. Many of the legacies such as the legacy for the Tactics buff and the SOS buff for minstrel for example increase to a higher numerical value with higher level items. The ones that did not seem to change were the ones that were a % value such as the legacy for motivating speech. Why don't they simply increase the RC cooldown legacy for a 75 item vs a 65? After all they scaled the legacies for many other classes and abilities. maybe get it to say 10 seconds? 15 still is kinda long and 6 can be specific to helegrod awesome armor. OR better yet, make the legacy be Defeat Skill cooldown, but it wouldn't be as good as helegrod's 20%. Either way, It would make me a bit more motivated to get the 75 gear for my captain cause right now, It doesn't strike me as all that useful unless you are an HOH captain. Valiant strike is really only useful for HOH.

There's more to playing captain than spamming RC.....

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Originally Posted by LivFenris

I have a simple solution to this problem. Many of the legacies such as the legacy for the Tactics buff and the SOS buff for minstrel for example increase to a higher numerical value with higher level items. The ones that did not seem to change were the ones that were a % value such as the legacy for motivating speech. Why don't they simply increase the RC cooldown legacy for a 75 item vs a 65? After all they scaled the legacies for many other classes and abilities. maybe get it to say 10 seconds? 15 still is kinda long and 6 can be specific to helegrod awesome armor. OR better yet, make the legacy be Defeat Skill cooldown, but it wouldn't be as good as helegrod's 20%. Either way, It would make me a bit more motivated to get the 75 gear for my captain cause right now, It doesn't strike me as all that useful unless you are an HOH captain. Valiant strike is really only useful for HOH.

The amount of healing I can crank out with 3 Draigoch pieces is pretty nuts.

Taking the set coming up, mixing 3 of the HoH with 3 of the Draigoch pieces is going to allow for a lot of healing based soley on VS.

There's a lot of options, and (thankfully) RC spam isn't one of them anymore.

Originally Posted by Almagnus1

The amount of healing I can crank out with 3 Draigoch pieces is pretty nuts.

Taking the set coming up, mixing 3 of the HoH with 3 of the Draigoch pieces is going to allow for a lot of healing based soley on VS.

There's a lot of options, and (thankfully) RC spam isn't one of them anymore.

Now that I think of it ... While I loved 6s Rallying Cry while I had it, I don't miss it too much now. What I'd vastly prefer at this point is a legacy to increase melee range / effective heal radius of the Valiant Strike heal! It always irks me when I pop off VS only to find that someone in the party wasn't grouped close enough (ie. healers and ranged classes), so they were out of range of VS. The fact that VS has a nice red icon under morale bars makes it easily spotted by its absence. I would consider this a mandatory legacy to have, and would max it out without doubt, if only Turbine would give it to us. Someone should start a petition for this, rather than to give us 6s RC back!

Well, while I think we are in a great shape and we don't need a 6 second RC cd. I must admitt I miss Helegrod in other occassions: -9 seconds on shadow's lament, and routing cry : especially now these skills have become more important. Still, I'll probably manage it without these two, but I delayed swapping my hele set until the last moment.