Thread: XP Disabler Huh???

Maybe I am blind but I do not see any mention of an XP Disabler in the list of new things coming to the store. Was it posted earlier then revised?

I noticed this also...it was there and now it's not.

What's up?

Copied from a post dated 9/22/2011 at 3:28 pm:http://forums.lotro.com/showthread.p...ter-Experience (4th post from top)

Set your own pace with new XP & Reputation acceleration options

Earn bonus faction reputation with the +5000 Enhanced Rep Supply

Temporarily slow your character's progression with the XP Disabler
Get right to the action by skipping the tutorial and introduction with Vet Status: Level 5
Earn a permanent +25% Monster Kill XP bonus (up to level 65) with Derudh's Stone
Receive up to 20% bonus XP on Quest turn-ins!

Copied from current (today) "See What's Coming With Isengard on September 27th!" guide:http://www.lotro.com/lotrostoresale/...september-26th

Set your own pace with new XP & Reputation acceleration options

Earn bonus faction reputation with the +5000 Enhanced Rep Supply
Get right to the action by skipping the tutorial and introduction with Vet Status: Level 5
Earn a permanent +25% Monster Kill XP bonus (up to level 65) with Derudh's Stone
Receive up to 20% bonus XP on Quest turn-ins!

Disabler is gone!

In a way, I am glad it's gone.
It is a bit ridiculous to have to pay for it.
It should be free, or priced so low as to be effectively free.

Originally Posted by Boraxxe

In a way, I am glad it's gone.
It is a bit ridiculous to have to pay for it.
It should be free, or priced so low as to be effectively free.

Byte thy tongue. If the cost of having it is to pay for it, I will pay for it.

While I would not turn down a free gift, I am not so irrational as to say, "Either give it to me for free or not at all."

Originally Posted by Tiempko

Byte thy tongue. If the cost of having it is to pay for it, I will pay for it.

While I would not turn down a free gift, I am not so irrational as to say, "Either give it to me for free or not at all."

Well, see, I am VIP. I get all this accelerated XP that I never asked for. I am a paying customer. Now I am expected to pay to get rid of something that I never wanted?
Doesn't seem right.

Yep, of anything in the store, this should be a free, in-game option. Who knows, maybe it was removed to be just that.

That is what I am hoping.
I have been carrying around my horseshoe all day just in case it helps.

Originally Posted by Boraxxe

In a way, I am glad it's gone.
It is a bit ridiculous to have to pay for it.
It should be free, or priced so low as to be effectively free.

I think it should at least be free for VIP, if not for everyone. I really wish there WAS a disabler though. Like on EQ2 preferably. There you were able to choose to disable quest xp, kill xp, or both. It was REALLY nice.

Originally Posted by Warriorpoetex75

I think it should at least be free for VIP, if not for everyone. I really wish there WAS a disabler though. Like on EQ2 preferably. There you were able to choose to disable quest xp, kill xp, or both. It was REALLY nice.

Thanks. You have partially answered the question I was about to post.
You note the EQ2 has this option.
Anyone know if any other MMOs have a similar option?

This is an entertainment package. It's purpose I'd to generate a profit. We are not being forced to consume it in order to preserve life or limb. So "should be free" is not an applicable moral concept.

It takes development resources to establish and maintain such a feature. The legitimate business model to use is that the cost to build and maintained should be covered by customer payments at a rate that generates a profitable return on those investments.

If it adds value to the game, I am willing to pay for it according to the formula, "Added value > cost".

I will accept free a gift if it is offered as a kindness that Turbine is under no obligation to provide. However, if they want money instead, if the price is less than the value i hope to receive, then I will obtain that value through trade.

Didn't say I wouldn't pay for it.
If there is a price and it is right for me I probably will.
Still, it just seems wrong somehow to need to pay to slow down advancement.
If it costs Turbine a significant amount to enable this function then it makes sense to charge for it.
You and I will never know how much it will cost them, so I guess we have an issue that will never be solved, IE; is Turbine just covering their cost, or are they trying to make all of us pay for something that they have created a market for.

See, if they keep up with the "special" accelerations, they are "creating" a market for "deceleration". That seems wrong to me.

Well, let's not get off the question,"Where did it go?" I know I saw it. I have witnesses.

*Points to witnesses*

Originally Posted by Tiempko

Well, let's not get off the question,"Where did it go?" I know I saw it. I have witnesses.

*Points to witnesses*

*Raises hand meekly* I witnessed it.

In all seriousness, though, I really hope they bring it back. I don't mind whether it's in the store or free as long as it completely stops XP gain on a toggle basis (no "for 60 minutes" rubbish). The ability to level a character to a specific level and then just keep them there is something I've wanted since I started playing all that time ago.

I'm betting that someone in marketing decided it wasn't a feature they wanted to advertise too freely. It could be misinterpreted.

Some sees:

Originally Posted by Turbine Advertisement

Temporarily slow your character's progression with the XP Disabler

And they think, "Wow, this game is busted if they need an XP Disabler! And they make you pay for the privilege?"

The marketing would like to focus on all positive speak, and "Disabler" is not in the positive voice. Besides, they don't need to advertise to the small, dedicated group that wants this feature. They'll figure it out soon enough.

--Harperella

Originally Posted by Boraxxe

You have partially answered the question I was about to post.
You note the EQ2 has this option.
Anyone know if any other MMOs have a similar option?

Dungeons & Dragons Online indirectly does. Because leveling up in that game involves user input, you can stop your XP by simply choosing not to level up when you reach a threshold where you're allowed to. Although it can be used for this purpose, though, that's not the reason it was implemented that way. The leveling process in Dungeons & Dragons involves a lot of choices for the user to make, so Turbine wasn't able to make it just an automatic event as soon as you reach a certain XP threshold, the way they did with LOTRO.

I'm really hoping they only took it out of the Store announcement because they decided to give it for free. I'd even settle for it being out of this particular announcement because it may be another week or so before it's available. I'm really hoping, though, that it is coming, and that it's implemented in a form that makes it worthwhile. (I'm also hoping they'll give us some specifics about what exactly it is.)

Ah. Well. :/ Hm.

Originally Posted by Boraxxe

Anyone know if any other MMOs have a similar option?

As noted in other threads, the gorilla of the MMO industry, WoW, has the option to stop XP gain if you pay in-game gold (and pay again to unlock). The option was primarily added to allow players to enjoy specific level tiers of PvP, but there are other uses (noted in many other threads about XP controls in LotRO).

Originally Posted by Harperelle

I'm betting that someone in marketing decided it wasn't a feature they wanted to advertise too freely. It could be misinterpreted.

That could be the reason or at least part of it, given all the marketing misinterpretation that happened over the preorder/points/blahblah. The point about a negative versus positive voice is interesting...

"Level up at your own leisure: Stay on-level with friends as you explore the game, without leaving anyone behind. Fully explore a zone's quests while maintaining level-based challenge." (etc.)

It's a pipe dream that Turbine/WB would supply for free a usable feature to control XP on the negative rather than positive end of the equation, so I'll just hope that a good implementation will make it into the store. A single permanent item per character, similar to the pocket +25% item, would be preferable over a consumable "30 minute" thing.

Oh well. We'll see.

It was only removed from the store because it will be on the regular account without having to pay.

I'm sure of it. Yes.

Originally Posted by Darmokk

It was only removed from the store because it will be on the regular account without having to pay.

I'm sure of it. Yes.

You are saying that everyone will get this for no charge?
And you are sure of it?
And yes?

Well, isn't that great...

First thing I told my husband when I came home today is that Turbine was finally going to 'give' us a way to not level so fast...

Then two hours later, I told him again, just because I was so excited!

I really hope this is coming back!

Originally Posted by Boraxxe

You are saying that everyone will get this for no charge?
And you are sure of it?
And yes?

Either your sarcasm detector is broken or mine.

Originally Posted by Darmokk

Either your sarcasm detector is broken or mine.

I can tell by the tone of your voice, subtle eye movements, and body language that you think I am for when these will not be annoyed.
But let me tell you emphatically, and tentatively that by all ambiguous and precise definitions we will continue to desist.



Have fun.

Looks like these folks got the list before modification also: http://www.casualstrolltomordor.com/...with-isengard/

Originally Posted by Trilwych

It's a pipe dream that Turbine/WB would supply for free a usable feature to control XP on the negative rather than positive end of the equation, so I'll just hope that a good implementation will make it into the store.

Well, certainly Turbine would want some income out of it, but it's not unreasonable to expect it to make them money even if it were free. (It might even make them more money if it's free, since then all the players who want it would have it.) One of the two biggest reasons many people want to slow their leveling is to be able to play more of the content. Turbine is already charging for content through quest pack sales and/or subscription fees. If people have a feature allowing them to do more of that content, then they're a lot more likely to be willing to pay for more content. An XP toggle would likely more than pay for itself in quest pack sales alone.

In any case, although I don't think it needs to be a Store item, I'd still be happy to pay for the feature through the store, so long as it's implemented well enough to be useful. (I, too, would want it to be a permanent item or feature once purchased. I probably wouldn't buy it as a consumable unless it's extremely cheap per dose.)

Whoa, so Turbine finally listened about this? great, there have been lots of very long threads asking this feature as an option to slow down leveling

like this for example

http://forums.lotro.com/showthread.p...-it-down-a-bit!

and this

http://forums.lotro.com/showthread.p...evelling/page5

Originally Posted by WinterStar

Whoa, so Turbine finally listened about this? great, there have been lots of very long threads asking this feature as an option to slow down leveling

No, the item has been pulled and it was shop-only anyway.

I will under no circumstances pay for this in the shop when my VIP account first gives me unwanted rest XP, that I then have to pay to get rid of.

Originally Posted by WinterStar

Whoa, so Turbine finally listened about this?

Well, we're hoping they have. This morning the store announcement said an XP Disabler was coming, but this afternoon, that line has been removed from the announcement. Now we're not quite sure what's going on with it. (Though it seems somebody at Turbine must be doing something about an XP Disabler feature, or how would it have even briefly shown up in the announcement by accident.)

It would make sense to me if VIP accounts received the XP stopper control for free, and everyone else has to pay in the store. For one, this could add a little more value to the VIP tier. One of the primary reasons why I'm dropping to premium is to get rid of that pesky rest xp, to boot.

Originally Posted by Boraxxe

Anyone know if any other MMOs have a similar option?

"Dark Age of Camelot"
/xp off
/xp on

Still wondering what's going on with the magically disappearing line item...

Would really love to hear from whomever at Turbine first posted it why it was posted in the first place if no one else at Turbine wants to fess up. Someone has to do the actual typing of ads--I don't think Hal has been put in charge of adverts.

And it's not like it's April's Fools or anything...

First I got happy.
Then I got sad.

Stop playing with my feelings!

...I hope they pulled it because the realized it would only negate rest XP for VIPs or something similar, and that they will bring it back as awesome.

(Awesome = Pocket item that stops XP completely until you take it out.)

(Awesome = Pocket item that lets you eat all of the Rice Crispies without getting caught.)

That is a bummer. So close to having a Feature we all been waiting for Years.

Originally Posted by Celt_Ainvar

That is a bummer. So close to having a Feature we all been waiting for Years.

Just because the text is no longer in the announcement doesn't mean the item is no longer going to be in the store. I am an incurable - though also perhaps irrational - optimist. Come Monday, I'll search the shelfs in the store and see what they got.

Originally Posted by Tiempko

Just because the text is no longer in the announcement doesn't mean the item is no longer going to be in the store. I am an incurable - though also perhaps irrational - optimist. Come Monday, I'll search the shelfs in the store and see what they got.

If not Monday, then perhaps with Update 5. Maybe. I'll believe Yula's points in another thread, though--the main thing that's clear is that Turbine is working on something. Maybe they found a specific bug and decided to pull, or it was a marketing mistake and put into the flyer too early.

Like Gaming_Gal, my mind went over the "But it's not April Fool's" bit too.

However, if the "XP disabler" thing ends up being a consumable instead of a character-specific item/skill, there's no way I'm supporting that in the store.

Originally Posted by Hassan_the_Assassin

(Awesome = Pocket item that stops XP completely until you take it out.)

That's what I'm hoping for. Just being able to slow it down wouldn't be enough for those of us who want a permanent low-level RP character.

Originally Posted by Veryth

That's what I'm hoping for. Just being able to slow it down wouldn't be enough for those of us who want a permanent low-level RP character.

I can see an item for roughly the same price as the pre-order stone being offered in the store, but being bound-to-account vs. bound to a specific character.

Hi all, unfortunately we discovered after we launched this page that the XP Disabler was not working. I don't have an ETA on when it will be available, but we do still intend to release it in the (hopefully near) future.

Sorry for the false hope!

Originally Posted by QuarterMasterM

Hi all, unfortunately we discovered after we launched this page that the XP Disabler was not working. I don't have an ETA on when it will be available, but we do still intend to release it in the (hopefully near) future.

Sorry for the false hope!

OPS Turbine you did it again! You did the same with the new PvMP map and now with this wow you are good at this i gotta say

This especially for you

Originally Posted by QuarterMasterM

Hi all, unfortunately we discovered after we launched this page that the XP Disabler was not working. I don't have an ETA on when it will be available, but we do still intend to release it in the (hopefully near) future.

Sorry for the false hope!

Thanks for letting us know, QuarterMasterM. Please update the public when you will be including it, as I will likely be unsubscribing for now.