I tryed to list most quests for the free people and each earned renown, Tokens of Valour, Brooches and Crests, but unfortunately Grimwood, Lugazag and Isendeep were hold by Angmar, so it's still incomplete.
(The list was already posted in RoI forum, but I think it's better to move it into the correct freep forum)
It is my understanding that the costs for items are always equal in terms of brooches and crests. What is the point of the quest there that only rewards a brooch?
It would make more sense to have a single barter item. It seems a bit redundant to me to have the brooch and crest cost the same on each item but then make one of them more abundanat than the other.
Doing all those quests would take you more time than just going out and PvPing for the renown. I guess it doesn't bother me much. I'm not going to be actively racing to do every quest every day, but at least during down times it will give me objectives =\
I'm not much of a PvPer, but I'd like to see them recognize the achievements of those who did it the hard way with titles/gear/skins that will only be available to those who reached ranks before the changes.
I'm not much of a PvPer, but I'd like to see them recognize the achievements of those who did it the hard way with titles/gear/skins that will only be available to those who reached ranks before the changes.
They are, R10.
It's unfortunate that there have been three major devaluations of rank since release and this is really only the first such recognition. But something is better than nothing. (a lesson that all PvMP'ers know all too well)
Second Marshal Luc Brandenbuck ~Battlemaster~
Stalker's Enemy*Reaver's Enemy*Blackarrow's Enemy*Warleader-Foe*Weaver's Enemy*Defiler-Foe Champion:'The only thing our opponents can do that we care about is die.'-Graalx2
Looks like the axe from OD ID4. And sorry for the small picture :S
Could be worse.
Although I'd LOVE the old StoneBreaker axe graphic..../sigh
Second Marshal Luc Brandenbuck ~Battlemaster~
Stalker's Enemy*Reaver's Enemy*Blackarrow's Enemy*Warleader-Foe*Weaver's Enemy*Defiler-Foe Champion:'The only thing our opponents can do that we care about is die.'-Graalx2
Although I'd LOVE the old StoneBreaker axe graphic..../sigh
The one from CD? isn't it basically the same? Or double-sided, I don't recall. Aren't these items (offhand weapons) identical to the ones released in book 12 or am I just imagining it? If so, sooo lazy ~_~
"There may come a time for valor without renown, for those without swords may surely still die upon them."
Doing all those quests would take you more time than just going out and PvPing for the renown. I guess it doesn't bother me much. I'm not going to be actively racing to do every quest every day, but at least during down times it will give me objectives =\
You will get more renown camping these quest item places than actually doing the quests
Well, so if I am reading this correctly, by the time all the freeps will get through their 10 levels and get to 75 to go to the moors, all the f2p creep swarms, especially reavers, will have already gained a couple of ranks purely by questing.....
Well hope it wont cause much difference, except give everyone chance to rank up those who play at odd, non-active times....
Although as someone else pointed out it makes zero sense for the chieftan seal quest to reward only a brooch, since everything that can be bartered for requires equal amounts of brooches/crests. That sort of just leaves you with extra which have no use.
"There may come a time for valor without renown, for those without swords may surely still die upon them."
Have not played on beta, but I think it will help spread the action around the map, not only stab/oc ping pong.
I think something different will happen:
There will be PvE Raids on both sides that will ignore everything except the quests, when they are done with their quests they will disband the raid and the solo/small groupers will still find no one except at the Zergspots.
There will be PvE Raids on both sides that will ignore everything except the quests, when they are done with their quests they will disband the raid and the solo/small groupers will still find no one except at the Zergspots.
Maybe I'm wrong, I truly hope so.
Well the main source for pvmp gear will be keep quests, so hopefully there will be alot of action regarding that. I think raids will focus on the crests/brooches, small groups will do the 60 renown quests.
Well the main source for pvmp gear will be keep quests, so hopefully there will be alot of action regarding that. I think raids will focus on the crests/brooches, small groups will do the 60 renown quests.
Anyway I am very curious how it will turn out.
I fear that there will be loads of Burg-/Wargsquads that will camp the quest spots.
So you will need big groups to do the quests, bigger groups lead to bigger ganksquads, bigger ganksquads lead to quest-raids.
That's true. Getting all maps with my warg was a cakewalk, with my spider, not so much (still, I did it, except good Isen, who needs that map anyway?)
hehe yea, ID3 is pretty good for getting to dorf camp for some gold, but farming NPCs is rather boring on a class with dps as low as a spider! I also am just using my warg for that too tbh.
I think my map for spider came purely from flipping the ID keep for 3 years
Still, if freeps are questing up at grothrum in RoI at least we could use the map for getting to them!
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hehe yea, ID3 is pretty good for getting to dorf camp for some gold, but farming NPCs is rather boring on a class with dps as low as a spider! I also am just using my warg for that too tbh.
I think my map for spider came purely from flipping the ID keep for 3 years
Still, if freeps are questing up at grothrum in RoI at least we could use the map for getting to them!
Grothum? Wouldn't that be Isen Tier 2?
Also, I think my warg used good Isen like 3 times:
1. To find out where it leads to.
2. To get the hell away from a raid that actually had tracking Hunters (I know, I know, sounds far fetched, but once in a blue moon a Hunter remembers to track ).
3. Because I clicked the wrong map.
well tier 1 would probably be the best because that maps you right inside the camp but I was thinking more along the lines of map CDs forcing me to use ID3 for a safe unmolested route into the camp more often than any other.
Hope&Glory || G.L.T.C
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well tier 1 would probably be the best because that maps you right inside the camp but I was thinking more along the lines of map CDs forcing me to use ID3 for a safe unmolested route into the camp more often than any other.
Right, Tier 1 it is.
And yeah, considering cooldowns you could use Isen 3.
I fear that there will be loads of Burg-/Wargsquads that will camp the quest spots.
So you will need big groups to do the quests, bigger groups lead to bigger ganksquads, bigger ganksquads lead to quest-raids.
Or not...I'm a pessimist, what can I say.
There's too many quest spots to have that many people all over the map. I think it's far more likely that we'll see the same old zergpiles in a couple months + some more solo/small group action around the map.
Although I disagee100% with how they're trying to achieve spreading people out, I do hope that the result is more people over more of the map.
Second Marshal Luc Brandenbuck ~Battlemaster~
Stalker's Enemy*Reaver's Enemy*Blackarrow's Enemy*Warleader-Foe*Weaver's Enemy*Defiler-Foe Champion:'The only thing our opponents can do that we care about is die.'-Graalx2
There's too many quest spots to have that many people all over the map. I think it's far more likely that we'll see the same old zergpiles in a couple months + some more solo/small group action around the map.
Although I disagee100% with how they're trying to achieve spreading people out, I do hope that the result is more people over more of the map.
It is just going to be a more mobile zerg for the most part from what I am thinking...kill npcs, move on....next spot...kill npcs, move on. Unless the decrease the spawn timer for needed mobs. Or it will be just a game of follow the keep take with a keep take. I don't see how this is going to improve anything.
Now if they gave me a crest and a brooch every time I get disconnected because Turbines servers can't handle the load, that might be an interesting proposition. #slightderail
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At least for Freeps the total renown from completing every single quest, including downing 6 Tyrants and Defense of... quests (which require 30 KBs at each location), is about the same as an average evening of not too aggressive play on my server. It seems unlikely that most people would be willing to devote the time and effort to run each quest on a daily basis. Given that, I'll make a prediction that not much is going to change except for maybe more keep action.
From a farming standpoint it may actually be advantageous to allow the opposition to regularly gain control of all the keeps. An interesting dynamic might develop there. We're already starting to see it happen on Ark. Aside from that Burgs have always camped HH (and other map quest spots) and Wargs have always camped those Burgs. That might spread out a bit but overall questing will likely remain a side show to PvMP.
Last edited by TreborPar; Sep 23 2011 at 06:24 AM.
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Let's stop for a moment everyone and think about this.
On Nimrodel, at least, we do have Stab/ec/ta lawn shuffles the vast majority of the time. This change to the Ettenmoors is the single largest change I've seen yet, far more influential than walling the camps or removing hotspots, or adding flippable bridges. It will potentially allow us to spread the fighting out over the amazingly diverse areas of the 'Moors that we already have, but just don't utilize. It's the best alternative I can think of for us not getting our new pvp zone yet.
Let's just try it out. At the end of the day, PvMP is PvMP, enjoying it all comes down to the willingness of players to act in a respectful manner to their opponents.
Well, that and getting lots of kills.
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I highly doubt you gonna get "PvE" raids, espcially to take keeps. If there was a raid made to take keeps and not pvp then i dont know what world they play on but from where im from there always will be enemy to defend. Its just leads to more aggressive play to try and take keeps. But imo, not every tom dick and harry will do these quests for renown, or even the gear, it will mostly be newbies who arnt rank 9ish. The more experienced players, from both creep and freep side ( as stated before ) will take advantage of this and learn to know where the best hotspots are to find regular freeps or creeps doing these quests. which in my eyes does open the map up, where you have a higher chance to engage in smaller scale fights.
From a farming standpoint it may actually be advantageous to allow the opposition to regularly gain control of all the keeps. An interesting dynamic might develop there. We're already starting to see it happen on Ark. Aside from that Burgs have always camped HH (and other map quest spots) and Wargs have always camped those Burgs. That might spread out a bit but overall questing will likely remain a side show to PvMP.
I think you forgot about some of the resident wardens on our server that also like to camp HH
Server details aside, thank you to the OP for adding this up. I'd seen a list of the creepside version of this, but hadn't seen for freeps, so many thanks for getting this up here.
I highly doubt you gonna get "PvE" raids, espcially to take keeps. If there was a raid made to take keeps and not pvp then i dont know what world they play on but from where im from there always will be enemy to defend. Its just leads to more aggressive play to try and take keeps. But imo, not every tom dick and harry will do these quests for renown, or even the gear, it will mostly be newbies who arnt rank 9ish. The more experienced players, from both creep and freep side ( as stated before ) will take advantage of this and learn to know where the best hotspots are to find regular freeps or creeps doing these quests. which in my eyes does open the map up, where you have a higher chance to engage in smaller scale fights.
We already have PvE raids disguised as "Open PvP Raids" on BW because of a well disliked leader and his followers who have now formed a kin.
Yesterday I got rolled by 8-10 creeps at Isen and I warned a nearby hunter who told me yeah we are going to let them flip it then flip it back. Called in my kinnies instead and wiped the group while they were trying to flip. Told the hunter PvP > PvE and after we finished wiping them the "PvP Raid" rolled in and got nothing but a long horse ride. Made me feel warm and fuzzy inside.
Too bad it is only going to get worse with PvE'ers
Damn people would rather PvE than effing fight creeps.
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R.I.P NIDOR (1970-2012): You shall be missed but never forgotten, thank you.
Damn people would rather PvE than effing fight creeps.
Some of the stuff I've seen in DoF during the past month and a half has been hilarious. Saw a 3-toon Multi-Box PvEr get completely wiped by one R5 Warg. Had Rankless Freep players ask me in tells why other players are attacking them when all they were doing was killing worms.
One player asked me if there was a way to keep Creeps from getting into the DoF so they could farm stones unabated. Of course, I told them it's determined by Outpost control. This player then commenced, for about a week, to recruit his kinmates (I'm guessing) to keep capping OPs blue so the DoF remained safe. haha
There was another instance where a carebear saw me kill a Creep while farming stones myself. He started a conversation with me and essentially stated he doesn't bother to fight the Creeps when they come and just lets them kill him.
Those are examples taken from just the DoF stone farming. I can only imagine the hilarity we are going to see when players try to PvE for their PvP gear in the Moors.
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