Thread: Fate on the new sets

Can anyone explain why we have so much fate on the new burg sets? Alittle icpr and icmr realy? with the changes wills the next best stat

Well... According to some beta testers fate will give as much crit as agility. So that's a great bonus.

Fate has now pretty much replaced might for us since we don't need it anymore. We just need to stack agility, vitality, and fate. Instead of might, agility, and vitality. At least that's one way of viewing it and the above poster is right about the crit thing as well so that will be a very nice bonus along with the Icpr and stuff.

I'm going to say that, as of the way things are now, if you don't think fate is important you're probably not the most effective burg. If you run out of power in a fight, which is easy to do with burg skills, you've made yourself useless, and if you have to moderate your damage output so you don't run out of power, you're not playing up to your full potential.

Originally Posted by roysterer

I'm going to say that, as of the way things are now, if you don't think fate is important you're probably not the most effective burg. If you run out of power in a fight, which is easy to do with burg skills, you've made yourself useless, and if you have to moderate your damage output so you don't run out of power, you're not playing up to your full potential.

Depends on what you are doing. Full moors build would have little fate, and that would be completely fine. After Isen fate is going to become considerably more useful, as they said.

Originally Posted by 45Cal.

Can anyone explain why we have so much fate on the new burg sets? Alittle icpr and icmr realy? with the changes wills the next best stat

Well, I would figure it is part of an answer to our complaints about power problems.

IMHO, getting crit and icpr from the same stat is all kinds of win.

Currently on live:
1 Agility = 2 Melee Critical rating
1 Fate = 0 Melee Critical rating

Rise of Isengard:
1 Agility = 1.75 Critical rating
1 Fate = 1.75 Critical rating

Originally Posted by roysterer

I'm going to say that, as of the way things are now, if you don't think fate is important you're probably not the most effective burg. If you run out of power in a fight, which is easy to do with burg skills, you've made yourself useless, and if you have to moderate your damage output so you don't run out of power, you're not playing up to your full potential.

Currently on live servers, fate is not exactly very important. ICPR contribution from fate gets hit by diminishing returns pretty severely. So yes, I would say that fate is not important at the moment. Getting +100 fate isn't going to solve a burglars power problems. It is much easier and efficient to get ICPR directly instead.

RoI will be a different story.

Originally Posted by MoonwalkIntoMordor

Currently on live:

Currently on live servers, fate is not exactly very important. ICPR contribution from fate gets hit by diminishing returns pretty severely. So yes, I would say that fate is not important at the moment. Getting +100 fate isn't going to solve a burglars power problems. It is much easier and efficient to get ICPR directly instead.

RoI will be a different story.

Except that there really isn't enough direct +ICPR stuff so you can ignore fate. I mean, it's not like it's the most important stat, but that doesn't mean I'd be upset if there was a load of fate on my armour. In fact I got angry for the opposite reason about the burg OD sets.

Originally Posted by roysterer

Except that there really isn't enough direct +ICPR stuff so you can ignore fate. I mean, it's not like it's the most important stat, but that doesn't mean I'd be upset if there was a load of fate on my armour. In fact I got angry for the opposite reason about the burg OD sets.

I have 1.2k unbuffed ICPR and only about 90 ICPR comes from the fate on my equipment and virtues. The rest is all pure +ICPR bonuses and the base ICPR. I can even reach 1.4k by dropping merely 200 morale, but it is overkill.

I'm just saying that you can not stack fate and hope for it to solve your power problems. It simply won't be enough. You will need to sacrifice some other things and get relics, bracelets and an off-hand weapon with ICPR. Most burglars are so fixated at the relics with +morale they don't see how much ICPR they can get.

Many thanks for the replie couldn't find anything about the fate change so, thanks for the good news.

Originally Posted by roysterer

I'm going to say that, as of the way things are now, if you don't think fate is important you're probably not the most effective burg. If you run out of power in a fight, which is easy to do with burg skills, you've made yourself useless, and if you have to moderate your damage output so you don't run out of power, you're not playing up to your full potential.

As for this if you think stacking fate for more icpr on a burg is the way to go I'd love to see the rest of your stats as some said go strait ICPR if you want it.

Originally Posted by roysterer

Except that there really isn't enough direct +ICPR stuff so you can ignore fate. I mean, it's not like it's the most important stat, but that doesn't mean I'd be upset if there was a load of fate on my armour. In fact I got angry for the opposite reason about the burg OD sets.

I kinda agree tbh. Sure you don't want to stack fate at the moment, but for PvE its nice to have at least 150-200 fate. The returns are not bad up until that point, and if you don't try to get at least a little bit of fate it won't be that high.

... although it is a lot easier to get icpr from relics now too.

I'm pretty confident the contribution of ICPR and Critical Rating to the burglar from fate does not diminish in RoI.

So going from 0-100 fate gives the same bonus as going from 600-700 fate. AFAIK.

Originally Posted by 45Cal.

Many thanks for the replie couldn't find anything about the fate change so, thanks for the good news.





As for this if you think stacking fate for more icpr on a burg is the way to go I'd love to see the rest of your stats as some said go strait ICPR if you want it.

I seriously doubt that you'd "love to" see my stats, because you definitely have all the information you need to look up my character.

I emphaisize Fate over Will now and will continue to do so after RoI.
The only thing that changes is now we get to toss Might out the door.

AGI > VIT > FATE > WILL > MIGHT

I"ll take more ICPR over a higher raw pool every time once the raw pool hits about 2.7K

Originally Posted by ofMiceandHobbits

I'm pretty confident the contribution of ICPR and Critical Rating to the burglar from fate does not diminish in RoI.

So going from 0-100 fate gives the same bonus as going from 600-700 fate. AFAIK.

The contribution of critical rating doesn't diminish for any class right now on live anyway, no matter what stat. It is the common rating-to-percentage formula that results in diminishing returns. I doubt they would change that.

Fate-to-ICPR on the other hand, has diminishing returns built right into it on live. I recall you have Bullroarer access, so I would be very grateful if you could test and confirm that they removed it. If fate will give a fixed amount of ICPR, like 1.5 per point, then it will become much more valuable compared to raw +ICPR.

I thought might was becoming our new primary stat? Or is might just for general melee offence and agi/fate for crits?

Or am I utterly confused?

Originally Posted by nnichols1

I thought might was becoming our new primary stat? Or is might just for general melee offence and agi/fate for crits?

Or am I utterly confused?

Agility is becoming our primary stat as it will give both melee offence and critical rating. Might will no longer give melee offence to a burglar.