Thread: The Gilrain Movement Against Store Pots in Ettenmoors! Pay to win FTL!

Originally Posted by DharmaSpider

Lets see,

Pelis a noob
Shaks a 12 year old girl
The rest are wargs

I meant i havent seen any 'actual' creeps using p2w.
Also you cnt really count the fotm trash the freeps send over to us as creeps (i think that was what stoffi was trying to say)

bro, my birthday is in 2 weeks, you could have just said 13............................ ..............

Originally Posted by DharmaSpider

Lets see,

Pelis a noob

Originally Posted by stoffi

Conclusion: Freep side, especially FOTM classes,

I wish to discuss this statement with you, politely, if you don't mind.

A FOTM class on freepside is highly unlikely as getting a lvl 75 freep with high end gear, best weapons and all virtues on 14 isn't the same as rolling a warg (which is the FOTM class on creep side atm). It takes weeks of work, and you call champs FOTM now, although the champs you fight, Narg, Neth, etc. have been around for a veeeeeery long time, and just because they play their class now too, after 4-5 years of playing, suddenly makes them FOTM. Hmmm, I'd prefer calling that playing your main.

Rolling a warg, you will say, will take time too, to get to a noticable "good" rank. But at least you start on 75 immediately. Rolling a warg is the same as bringing your newly lvl 75 champ to EM, and I wish I liked feeding creeps, but believe me a champ without the gear, experience and weapons, wouldn't stand a chance against you. Against anyone for that matter.

Now I'm asking you Stoffi, if you see a new (R0-6) FOTM class on freepside, with nice gear, a good weapon, then yes, he might be FOTM, but he will still have worked for couple weeks of play time to get there. On the otherside, the new wargpacks with 1 high rank Warg and 7 R0-6 minions following him, is more likely a FOTM meeting.

Sorry for my English, but I hope you get my point.

/signed to not using store items btw

With 2 weeks of work (got bored and went inactive for a while), I have a level 66 warden with a draigoch cloak, virtues are 6+, which aren't even important, gear is easy to get and takes a few instances. It's about the same work as ranking a creep far enough to have a chance in EM.

People whine about "omg omg creeps start at 75 and pwn" this is not the case. As you all know, the burg who posted before me mainly, and burgs will only ever kill greenies, greenies have no chance at all. A solo freep can kill 3 of them. Really, freep is much easier to become fotm. If you work hard, you're maxed level in little more than a week, give a couple of days for instances and gear, and you're there.

Another thing, unless people "pay to win" all the skills, which in my opinion and many other people's, it is perfectly fair, you stand much less of a chance. Quite easy to see why there are so many freeps, finding it strange how they say it's too hard and make a warden or a minstrel instead, though. Also, a new level 75 champ will easily kill an unranked creep, however much you try to argue.

Originally Posted by Stealthiness

Neth, etc. have been around for a veeeeeery long time, and just because they play their class now too, after 4-5 years of playing

Well, this one part of your statement is untrue.
I still remember that day about a year ago when I was R8. I was standing at WTA and I saw a little level 65 unranked champ by the name of 'Nethnoro'.

Originally Posted by Thaberg

With 2 weeks of work (got bored and went inactive for a while), I have a level 66 warden with a draigoch cloak, virtues are 6+, which aren't even important, gear is easy to get and takes a few instances. It's about the same work as ranking a creep far enough to have a chance in EM.

People whine about "omg omg creeps start at 75 and pwn" this is not the case. As you all know, the burg who posted before me mainly, and burgs will only ever kill greenies, greenies have no chance at all. A solo freep can kill 3 of them. Really, freep is much easier to become fotm. If you work hard, you're maxed level in little more than a week, give a couple of days for instances and gear, and you're there.

Another thing, unless people "pay to win" all the skills, which in my opinion and many other people's, it is perfectly fair, you stand much less of a chance. Quite easy to see why there are so many freeps, finding it strange how they say it's too hard and make a warden or a minstrel instead, though. Also, a new level 75 champ will easily kill an unranked creep, however much you try to argue.

1) At normal play time(2-3 hours per day average) , you will need 4 weeks least to get to lvl 75.
2) On what main did you get the Draigoch Cloak? You need lvl 75 to get it and wear it
3) Virtues on 6 probably means charity, compassion, loyalty, empathy, virtues you rank easily through just doing quests in every area. Although Virtues is a personal choice, above standing are not top rated virtues in general. Getting the popular virtues for EM to 14 takes another week of grinding deeds.

Just 3 points, proving your "arguments" invalid. Could post a couple more, but well, it's clear to everyone you're just hating on me and freeps in general, coz all you do is whine.

And me killing greenies? lol, I've seen you 2 maybe 3 times couple of months ago, before that I never saw you, tell me all about how well you know me? Indeed, you don't.

Stoffi, still waiting for your response to what I said, it is clear Finuruk for one can't be taken seriously.

Originally Posted by Squelcher

Well, this one part of your statement is untrue.
I still remember that day about a year ago when I was R8. I was standing at WTA and I saw a little level 65 unranked champ by the name of 'Nethnoro'.

Ah yes Neth might be a bad example, but you get my point. Narg, Olf, Corl then..better?

Originally Posted by Limmy

bro, my birthday is in 2 weeks, you could have just said 13............................ ..............

You're such a bad playa!

Stealthi, don't be stupid. Last time I saw you, was me and you alone near LC. I had you on track and you were mounting up and ran to GV. You attack greenies, if you're forced into a proper fight, you use every skill possible before hugging freeps to wait for all CDs to kill greenies.

Another thing about my "invalid" points which you don't have the brainpower to think about, you can get a draigoch cloak easily. Sure, you have to be 75 to get one. We're talking about fotm classes and a newbie to lotro doesn't create a warden for pvp. Fotm players know what they're doing. Virtues are a small thing which make next to no difference. 300 morale? 500 tactical mitigation? Yeah, that will save your life a lot.

A lvl 66 Warden can have a Draigoch cloak? O.O
Virtues are not important? O.O
Lvl 1-75 in a week? O.O


[[[
Now i try to answer myself:
1. Impossible
2. Virtues are important
3. You haven't a life and play 24/7
]]]

You aren't reading my posts at all, are you? I have a level 75 character which I SENT the cloak from. A fotm player isn't a level 40 player incapable of taking care of itself. And yes, maybe I don't have a life, but if you play enough, it is possible to get 75 is JUST OVER (what I said earlier, you didn't read it) a week. And no, keep arguing, but you don't require virtues to have success. My point is, people say creeps start at 75 and go right into pvp, and a load of other #### they post. This is complete rubbish, as there are burgs waiting for new creeps because they can't get a proper fight.

Originally Posted by Stealthiness

A FOTM class on freepside is highly unlikely as getting a lvl 75 freep with high end gear, best weapons and all virtues on 14 isn't the same as rolling a warg (which is the FOTM class on creep side atm). It takes weeks of work, and you call champs FOTM now, although the champs you fight, Narg, Neth, etc. have been around for a veeeeeery long time, and just because they play their class now too, after 4-5 years of playing, suddenly makes them FOTM. Hmmm, I'd prefer calling that playing your main.

This is what I'm arguing with. It's nonsense. Where did all the minstrels come from just after isengard? How long have wardens been fotm with no word of a nerf? They're given plenty of fotm chances. Wargs have been given a boost so a lot of players have made one, probably being as it's the only sensible class right now.

Originally Posted by Baronth

A lvl 66 Warden can have a Draigoch cloak? O.O
Virtues are not important? O.O
Lvl 1-75 in a week? O.O


[[[
Now i try to answer myself:
1. Impossible
2. Virtues are important
3. You haven't a life and play 24/7
]]]

I answer also

1. Can do Draigoch on an alt, get scales, have me craft the cloak.
2. Virtues not as important as people make them out to be.
3. Shak got to lv 75 in just less than a week. Without being a no lifer.

I'm not saying that creeps start already with all, i have creeps and i know how it is...

I'm just asking how virtues can't be important ( and they are for me ) and how you can get to 75 in a week (that is impossible if you have a life ) xD

Originally Posted by Baronth

I'm not saying that creeps start already with all, i have creeps and i know how it is...

I'm just asking how virtues can't be important ( and they are for me ) and how you can get to 75 in a week (that is impossible if you have a life ) xD

The virtues you get from instances and leveling are pretty much all will need for a freep, unless you will be sparring all day. You aren't going to need all the favourite +300 morale virtues for running around in zergs like most people are all day.

Once you reach rank 9, you have pretty much every skill you need. However, with Stealthi being against "pay to win" with skills, if EM was his way, we would all have to reach rank 9 and earn the skills properly. This is a lot more work than maxing a freep out. And yeah, you may not need a life to reach 75 in a week, but there are a lot of people like that and will do it.

Shak teach me how to become 75 in less than a week and have a life ç_ç

And btw, for me ( and not only for me ) virtues are important...

Originally Posted by TiberPancake

I answer also

1. Can do Draigoch on an alt, get scales, have me craft the cloak.
2. Virtues not as important as people make them out to be.
3. Shak got to lv 75 in just less than a week. Without being a no lifer.

pfffft Shak was superslow! and he did it in over a week cause I did it in a few hours under a week and he started before me and ended after me

LOVE YOU SHAK <3

Virtues are quite important you can lose off about 1k morale + your main stat

and Neth has been playing for 3 years or such tbh iirc maybe 2 but for quite a while.. w/e longer than a year, and how long you have been playing doesn't matter that much, ask him for his /played and compare it to yours and then you know how much experience he has on the class, he also has no alts and plays plenty so he knows what he's doing, more so than some people that have been playing for 5 years.

Now that's what I'd like to see, an unranked Nethnoro.

Originally Posted by Enska

how long you have been playing doesn't matter that much

So true... But people don't understand it a lot...

Originally Posted by Thaberg

if you're forced into a proper fight, you use every skill possible before hugging freeps to wait for all CDs to kill greenies.

The rest of your quote is removed coz of stupidity issues. Virtues not important at all? Spoken like a true no-nothing-about-freepside. Virtues are darn important to every freep, PVE and PVP wise.

About the quote above: proving yourself wrong again. Anyone who has ever watched me play or has seen my k/d ratio knows idgaf about dying and will hop on my mount straight away after dying. You have seen me 2/3 times at spars and I recall killing you once while you were pve'ing in HH yes, but don't lie to make me look bad.

I admit I used all my skills to kill your pocket reaver Olog once, but thats no reason to make up my whole life story in lotro pvmp.

Originally Posted by Thaberg

Now that's what I'd like to see, an unranked Nethnoro.

Never would've thought it was a R11 in the making.

Originally Posted by Stealthiness

I admit I used all my skills to kill your pocket reaver Olog once.

I find this offensive to be known as the pocket reaver

Originally Posted by TiberPancake

I find this offensive to be known as the pocket reaver

Whahahah I'm sorry Olog, but I heard you 2 group up a lot I don't blame you, WL Reaver combo is quite strong

Originally Posted by Stealthiness

The rest of your quote is removed coz of stupidity issues. Virtues not important at all? Spoken like a true no-nothing-about-freepside. Virtues are darn important to every freep, PVE and PVP wise.

About the quote above: proving yourself wrong again. Anyone who has ever watched me play or has seen my k/d ratio knows idgaf about dying and will hop on my mount straight away after dying. You have seen me 2/3 times at spars and I recall killing you once while you were pve'ing in HH yes, but don't lie to make me look bad.

I admit I used all my skills to kill your pocket reaver Olog once, but thats no reason to make up my whole life story in lotro pvmp.

Again, please read my post. There is no bigger way of insulting yourself that not reading what you're quoting. I didn't say virtues are useless. We're talking about fotm classes, who run around in their little zergs all day between creep spawn and orc camp. The only time you'll find one solo is at a spar area, pretending to be afk. This kind of player does not need virtues. It is a known fact that pretty much every burg (juregar not included) will only attack greenies unless tracked.

The post I'm arguing with is saying creeps start off at 75. So what? What chance do they have? You will post on the forums calling a class pay to win if you lose. My "pocket" reaver is the closest thing to a fair fight you'll ever have in EM. It's either zerg vs small creep zerg, or zerg vs a creep duo. How many times did I post complaining about burgs, back when they were fotm?

I'm guessing the part about me PvEing is trying to get me annoyed, PvEing, which I haven't done since rank 5, trying to get my stances. I can't see why this turned into hate anyway, keep playing the game how you want. Just don't try to make unranked creeps sound easy.

Originally Posted by Squelcher

Never would've thought it was a R11 in the making.

R13 xD (he be crazy and fast...)

Originally Posted by Gillrain

Lmfao not sure if serious

Not sure if your serious either. Neth invented the bowchamp back then, now, things are different ofc, its the complete opposite of Gimli's saying "Certainty of death, small chance of success... What are we waiting for?".

That was way back when though.