Thread: Ongoing Ettenmoors Discussion

Originally Posted by Dilated

What are the thoughts?

Never have i felt so gutted, 4 years hardcore purely pvmp down the drain. However, i believe this change of pay to win as stoffi said, will close the gap between r0's and lvl 75's which is kinda what we need. This change will really kinda balance things out imo, if not balance, close the gap some more between r0's and lvl 75's. No matter how many skills you have though, you have to have experince on what your doing, so this will really benefit the experinced pvp players imo . However higher ranked creeps will still benefit from that fitease thingy? morale, power etc stat wise if thats what i read, can anyone confirm it?

Originally Posted by Pelious

Never have i felt so gutted, 4 years hardcore purely pvmp down the drain. However, i believe this change of pay to win as stoffi said, will close the gap between r0's and lvl 75's which is kinda what we need. This change will really kinda balance things out imo, if not balance, close the gap some more between r0's and lvl 75's. No matter how many skills you have though, you have to have experince on what your doing, so this will really benefit the experinced pvp players imo . However higher ranked creeps will still benefit from that fitease thingy? morale, power etc stat wise if thats what i read, can anyone confirm it?

Finesse is an entirely new stat that increases your chances of dodging a targets resistances and BPE. Battlefield promotion is a trait that creeps get at every rank to increase your morale, power and finesse by a certain amount.

I don't see it any differently to the increased availability of 2nd & 1st ages from the past. Once upon a time, no one had any 1st or 2nd age weapons/items, then a lucky few got 2nd ages from random drops, then a few who managed to down the watcher at lvl 60 and a lot of luck had bragging rights for owning the servers only 1st ages, eventually world+dog had lvl60/65 1st & 2nd ages from completing ever more trivial quests - library or school anyone ?

Now for creeps you just need TP to get those exclusive skills - even if you are a F2P getting them from deeds/rep is not hard, just a grind. For those high ranked who earnt their skills - they have had exclusive use for x months/years - congrats ! Hope you enjoyed using them Now it's time for others to have a go using them to. Nothing is being taken away from you - you still have them and the shiny rank badge to go with it.

If lower ranked creeps buy them, what is it to you, how does it impact your pvmp experience that they get to press buttons that you once upon a time only pressed ?

As is so often said here: Let others play how they wish.

Got no probs whatsoever with Rank 0's being able to TP or buy their skills, I think it will be great for creepside and may encourage a whole influx of new blood. Also those new creeps coming to face Lev 75's will need every leg up they can get as has been stated before.

The fact that Rank 10's+ will get all their higher rank skills instantly available is a nice consolation to outweigh having your hard earned Rank diminished. As long as theres not 20 other wargs running around with 100% pure L'orealNESS Rank 11 skins cos they store bought them, Im happy. If skins are made available in the store Id like to see them limited to High Rank or Rank will have no purpose whatsoever once youre Rank 10.

Originally Posted by Draugy

Got no probs whatsoever with Rank 0's being able to TP or buy their skills, I think it will be great for creepside and may encourage a whole influx of new blood. Also those new creeps coming to face Lev 75's will need every leg up they can get as has been stated before.

The fact that Rank 10's+ will get all their higher rank skills instantly available is a nice consolation to outweigh having your hard earned Rank diminished. As long as theres not 20 other wargs running around with 100% pure L'orealNESS Rank 11 skins cos they store bought them, Im happy. If skins are made available in the store Id like to see them limited to High Rank or Rank will have no purpose whatsoever once youre Rank 10.

Skins should be left out of the store, definitively. I will probably buy a few high rank skills, such as aoe silence and better Power Drain. But there's not much to be had at ranks above 10 really. :-/

I will use my new skills to r*pe and kill evil freeps!

Ill be buying em all I think Ive got the points

Skills changes look pretty sweet and finally SH FTW.. gonna be solo-tastic

http://theartofwarg.wordpress.com/

damn you Warder (or whoever brought me outta stealth first when the zerg train arrived on stab) I was happily tabbed out on stab looking at the leaderboards - kinda begs to be zerged though doesn't it Not too sure I'll ever get that 2k back though... we'll see if I stick around but don't count on it...
Enjoy your infamy and cya in the moors Well... maybe...

Originally Posted by Gilias

damn you Warder (or whoever brought me outta stealth first when the zerg train arrived on stab) I was happily tabbed out on stab looking at the leaderboards - kinda begs to be zerged though doesn't it Not too sure I'll ever get that 2k back though... we'll see if I stick around but don't count on it...
Enjoy your infamy and cya in the moors Well... maybe...

Had a similar situation in TA Tyrant room, Waolas decided to jump me while I was afking... Fortunately I came back before any major damage was done. Too bad you dont have 10k morale and 8k armour Gil *Massively over the top wink*

Originally Posted by Gilias

damn you Warder (or whoever brought me outta stealth first when the zerg train arrived on stab) I was happily tabbed out on stab looking at the leaderboards - kinda begs to be zerged though doesn't it Not too sure I'll ever get that 2k back though... we'll see if I stick around but don't count on it...
Enjoy your infamy and cya in the moors Well... maybe...

Hehe twas me ;p and that's why play in windowed mode when i check the forums i don't need to tab out

Originally Posted by Natako

Hehe twas me ;p and that's why play in windowed mode when i check the forums i don't need to tab out

naaah you miss too much when not on full screen
Oh well I prolly owed you a kill or two - thanks to that sneaky hunter I got a chunk of the rating back though

Awesome link, Draug.

http://theartofwarg.wordpress.com/ri.../warg-changes/

All creep classes will have access to all of their skills by rank 10. Skills that were previously gated behind ranks 11+ will drop down to rank 10. So if you are already rank 10 you should automatically have every skill when Isenguard launches. From other posts on the forum it seems that traits granted at ranks 11+ will remain where they are and won’t drop to rank 10 as the skills do.






Looks like maps can be bought as well.


Death to Pay To Win

hahahahahaha

:/

Originally Posted by Dilated

hahahahahaha

:/

Bind on aquire? Meaning all lorebreakers will be able to remove my hard-earned 20% Out of Combat speed pots....? Prelude of Hope, no idea what skill that is. Is it used in normal combat?

Originally Posted by stoffi

Bind on aquire? Meaning all lorebreakers will be able to remove my hard-earned 20% Out of Combat speed pots....? Prelude of Hope, no idea what skill that is. Is it used in normal combat?

lol I think it's worse Stoffi Prelude to Hope is that small heal they can spam while running in any attunement, so they won't remove your out of combat speed pots, they'll remove your crippling bite by throwing a heal on theirselves while zapping your ### off

Originally Posted by Enska

lol I think it's worse Stoffi Prelude to Hope is that small heal they can spam while running in any attunement, so they won't remove your out of combat speed pots, they'll remove your crippling bite by throwing a heal on theirselves while zapping your ### off

Pretty much this except that its not only them that will have this. RKs can now cure all people of slows with 0 attunment on a spammable skill that can be used on the move.

In short, freeps will now have the ability to be immune to all stuns. Instant cure for any silence and instant cures for any slows at no cost with no inductions with skills that can be used on the move.

Enjoy that one

Originally Posted by stoffi

Bind on aquire?

That just means that the item is not a consumable and not transferable (dont you have a freep??). Once you got it, you got it. No CD it just costs an item slot.

Or more likely, having it on a quick slot like burgs do with their tools so that you can instantly swap it in combat, remove the slow (+ a heal) then re-equip a different item...

Am i right in thinking that all classes both freep and creep will be able to buy and use tracking talisamns in etts just like the use of stun/root pots for money ?

Originally Posted by Jamesar

Am i right in thinking that all classes both freep and creep will be able to buy and use tracking talisamns in etts just like the use of stun/root pots for money ?

for TP you can I think. Not for silver in game as I understand it. I believe all the items you have seen for creeps will also be available for freeps (r15 brand etc):

http://forums.lotro.com/showthread.p...-items-catalog

Basicly I don't think this will move the balance in any way back towards the creeps.

Freeps ability to stack up on stats, to improve dps, survivability etc, removal of caps for evade/block/parry etc, will pretty much only deepen the gap that there already is, even rank 15 skills will not make much of a difference, when you can be killed in less than 10 seconds by a single hunter/rk/minser who has targeted you.

The fundamental unequality atm IMO is burst dps, ranged dps, and cc resistance. And I basicly don't really see how this will change anything in favor of creeps, if anything it will only get worse, and I frankly don't forsee creep HP, resistances or corruptions to get a lift that will compensate for this.

Originally Posted by Dilated

:/

not cool at all.

Originally Posted by Angdraug

even rank 15 skills will not make much of a difference

Further thoughts on this after reading a little more on implementation issues. It seems as if without a decent finesse rating all the skills will be little more than an irritant to most. Therefore a r0 with r15 skills will have no impact until they can get some finesse.

More importantly the r15 traits will not be accessible, so for example the creep counter to the burg 5s combat grace riddle (weaver r15 trait for enhanced paralytic venom) will not be usable either..

So an RK can shake off a slow with a spammable heal while carrying an item that makes their tactical damage and healing stronger?

Something gives me a feeling that someone shoved a crayon TOO far up Turbines nose. This is just ridiculous lol.

Originally Posted by Dilated

That just means that the item is not a consumable and not transferable (dont you have a freep??). Once you got it, you got it. No CD it just costs an item slot.

Or more likely, having it on a quick slot like burgs do with their tools so that you can instantly swap it in combat, remove the slow (+ a heal) then re-equip a different item...

I know, it was more of a rethorical question because it was NOT a store pot but an actual permanent item.



Basically, ALL rks will be 100% unbeatable for ALL wargs unless the rk is a COMPLETE fool. Just what rk needed, a big boost. But I'm guessing that's a store item, so the rk will be Paying to Win, but the same can be said about creeps buying skills.

Pay To Win for me is mainly store pots which enhance your level of skill in PvP.


But given there are so many store things to buy now, the line between Pay To Win and not will get blurred, and thus Turbine made sure we can't resist. This game is going to hell, at least PvP-wise.

Higher ranked creeps will have better passives and battlefield promotions than low ranked creeps. http://forums.lotro.com/showthread.p...eld-Promotions

According to leaderboards at the momment there's 10 RK's on Gilrain able to use riffler.

http://forums.lotro.com/showthread.p...visions/page40


Apparently, mapping now breaks stealth..... That's a huge nerf. :-/


Changes for warg:


Warg

All Howls

-Removed inductions & allow use while moving
-Revise animations for movement

This is on beta.

Rend Flesh

Current: +10% Incoming Melee/Ranged Damage debuff that last for 1m with a 5m cooldown
Reason for Change: Making this a reactive skill allows me to add this to their standard rotation while not having to rely on a heafty cooldown.
-Change skill to trigger off crit events
-Remove cooldown
-Add moderate damage

This is on beta.

Maul / Bloody Maul

Current: Light damage skill with a DoT that is amplified by stealth. (5s Cooldown)
Reason for Change: Provide a healing debuff skill to compensate for the Burglar’s Insignias.
-Add a critical effect: “Festering Wound” which reduces incoming healing by 25% for 30s

This is on beta.

Dire Howl

Current: On Defeat Event AoE heal. (15min cooldown)
Reason for Change: Weak AoE heal with short range, induction, and rooted anim. Cooldown was far too severe for the skills limited use.
-Reduce cooldown from 15m to 2min
- Increase range from 7.4 to 10m

This is on beta.

Flea Bitten

Current: -143 Agility, -1300 Wound Resist Rating or 2m. (2m Cooldown)
Reason for Change: The animation causes this skill to take awhile to trigger and a reduction in Agility has limited uses.
-Increase impact of Resistance Debuff
- Effect Duration & Cooldown changed to 45s/45s
-Replace Agility debuff with an induction debuff (+10% - fleas are distracting!)
-Make AoE (7-10m, 3 targets)

As far as I remember, there is no longer an agility & wound resist debuff on the skill. There is a 10% Induction and Attack Duration effect.

Sense Prey

Current: Tracking Range: 120 Meters. 2 min CD.

Tracking Range: 120 Meters. 1 min CD. This is in beta.

Frenzy

Current: +1300 Critical Rating, +5% Evade chance. 1 min 30 sec CD.

+1xxx Critical rating, +5% Evade chance. As far as I remember, this still has 1 min 30 sec CD.

Howl of Unnerving

Current: 1s Induction Howl that applies 2 Dread to 4 players within 10m (1m Cooldown).
Reason for Change: Players dislike this skill because it requires traiting and the effect does not stack. These changes allow this skill to be a combat initiator, while at the same time creating tension for Freeps as they will hear and see the effects before the battle begins.
-Does not break stealth
-Reduces B/P/E ratings of targets
-25% Chance to Fear each target for 3-5s

This is on beta.

Shadow Howler

Current: Stance: +15% Melee Damage, Increased Armour, Negates 12 damage from every attack
Reason for Change: Negating 12 dmg in a world of 1-4k crits is not attractive. They forgo stealth to use this, so the damage negation should make them feel more tanky.
-Increase the damage negation effect.

As far as I remember, this keeps the +15% Melee Damage, has 20xx amour, 7xx tactical mitigation and the 1000 morale bubble. It's also usable in-combat. No longer negates damage.

Pack Elder

Current: Provides increases to weapon damage types.
Reason for Change: Bonuses are pretty weak, netting the player less than 1% defences.
-Increase damage type bonuses (currently +195 each).
-Increase the Warg’s chance to penetrate target’s defences.

Sorry, I have no information on this.

Enhanced Skill: Disappear

Current: Player is able to stealth in combat (10m cooldown)
Reason for Change: Mimic the updated functionality of HiPS.
-Reduced cooldown – 5min
-Adds a cleanse to Disappear (removals all harmful effects)
-Available at Rank 9

This skill only takes the cooldown to - 7 minutes. No clease whatsoever.

Enhanced Skill: Stealth

Current: Increases Stealth Level and Movement Speed in Stealth. +3 Stealth, +45% in stealth movement speed.

+4 Stealth, +45% movement speed. This is in beta.

Four-legged Foe

Current: Increases Run Speed and Evade Chance. +5% movement speed, +260 Evade rating.

+5% movement speed, +300 Evade rating. This is in beta.

Pack Mentality

Current: Increases Parry/Evade Chance, and boosts Physical/Tactical Resistance.

This skill has been slightly boosted. Sorry, right now I cannot give you the numbers. This is in beta.

Foe of the Light

Current: Increases Stealth Level and Light Mitigation. +2 Stealth, +390 light mitigation.

+4 Stealth, +xxx light mitigation. Sorry, right now I cannot give you the actual mitigation number. This is in beta.



Or just check the forum I linked to

I luv how Wargs can get +2 or +4 stealth level

+ to what exactly??? We dont even have a stealth level now and never have had one.

Originally Posted by Draugy

I luv how Wargs can get +2 or +4 stealth level

+ to what exactly??? We dont even have a stealth level now and never have had one.

Stealth level is identical to your characters level + any bonuses/traits you have and - the stealth detection of the enemy.

Originally Posted by Squelcher

Stealth level is identical to your characters level + any bonuses/traits you have and - the stealth detection of the enemy.

So with Foe o the Light +2 and Enhanced Stealth +3 my stealth level is 70??? You sure???

Originally Posted by Draugy

So with Foe o the Light +2 and Enhanced Stealth +3 my stealth level is 70??? You sure???

this is correct. Warg max stealth is currently +5 at your rank (+3 for lower rank) and this will change to +8 at your rank (+4 at lower rank).

If you could for example trait this now you would be 73 steatlh level. However, in RoI this will be 83 stealth (for what its worth)

effectively each stealth trait will now be worth +4 stealth.

Originally Posted by stoffi

But I'm guessing that's a store item

Doubt it, looks more like a barter item from GV to me considering the rank requirement. Probably costs chieftain broaches etc, similar to the off hand sword for LM...

Originally Posted by Viriel

According to leaderboards at the momment there's 10 RK's on Gilrain able to use riffler.

r8 not exactly hard to get on a dps class though. Especially a RK.

Originally Posted by Viriel

Higher ranked creeps will have better passives and battlefield promotions than low ranked creeps. http://forums.lotro.com/showthread.p...eld-Promotions

According to leaderboards at the momment there's 10 RK's on Gilrain able to use riffler.

Tbh not one of any class should be allowed use such an item.

Why does every freep run away or attack me when I /rude?

Originally Posted by Squelcher

Why does every freep run away or attack me when I /rude?

what else is left to do? :P

Although I don't disagree that the new riffler is op, and i'm hugely biased on the matter. Rks epic conclusions getting nerfed a fair bit from what i've heard from people who rolled rk on the beta. Doesn't this count for anything? :P or are we just moving straight on to the next thing

PS. it actually gives less additional damage then the old rifflers if its what i think it is squelch

Originally Posted by stoffi

Awesome link, Draug.

Cheers!

Originally Posted by MrWarg

Cheers!

I stole your signature!

But let it be said, play style cultures are different on each server. I do not agree with your words on camping spawns. They all deserve to be eaten. If they had been underdogs and weak, sure, I would give them some breathing space. But as it is now, we need every advantage we can get, and even more so in the future when Isengard comes.
Not that I camp spawn that much, but it's a viable tactic still.

Originally Posted by Wornstar

Although I don't disagree that the new riffler is op, and i'm hugely biased on the matter. Rks epic conclusions getting nerfed a fair bit from what i've heard from people who rolled rk on the beta. Doesn't this count for anything? :P or are we just moving straight on to the next thing

PS. it actually gives less additional damage then the old rifflers if its what i think it is squelch

Lol.

I won't believe EC is getting nerfed before I see it. EC could be nerfed 50% and rks would still be hugely op, and you know it!

Originally Posted by Dilated

r8 not exactly hard to get on a dps class though. Especially a RK.

Nope its not. But its also not like all r0 will be running with all the skills from the store (if i would see 1 btw i would /lol at him). Its not like some poeple see it, that an amy of RK's will be running the moors and spamming riffler's. Besides i heard lightning line along with healing line was nerfed for RK's.

And like i said some time ago tac crit multiplier seems to be gone from tactical classes sets. I've heard only crafted armour got some of it.

Originally Posted by Viriel

Its not like some poeple see it, that an amy of RK's will be running the moors and spamming riffler's.

Yeah! Who would expect RK-s to use their new abilities that give them vast advantages in ettens!

One of the few reasons I'm able to kill the weaker RK-s is mostly the slow right now. The good ones are already unreachable. Has anyone tried killing Groth or Rave on a reaver? I enjoy meeting them as much as I like pulling my teeth out through my ar-se.

Originally Posted by Gluthrog

Yeah! Who would expect RK-s to use their new abilities that give them vast advantages in ettens!

Originally Posted by Viriel

According to leaderboards at the momment there's 10 RK's on Gilrain able to use riffler.

Thats what i meant.

http://www.lotro.com/gameinfo/devdia...veloper-diary-

http://www.lotro.com/gameinfo/devdia...eveloper-diary

Guardian and LM dev diaries.
Minstrel dev diaries should be comming today too.