Thread: Ongoing Ettenmoors Discussion

Originally Posted by stoffi

And as Squelch says, you never know if it's just another guy who will disappear after 3 days after you've grouped with him or

Fixed it for you.

Im already doing freeps a favour by showing up every day so they can pew pew and farm renown

Im not baby sitting them as well when they decide they want to play creep for half an hour.

Your an experianced player, log a creep and you take care of them.

Also Rank has absolutely nothing to do with pve quests. You / any other creep has never been turned down from a group for a quest because they were too low rank ... they just havent.

I was just hit by an EC after the target died and it doesn't show in the combat log at all. Anyone heard of that before?

Originally Posted by stoffi

I was just hit by an EC after the target died and it doesn't show in the combat log at all. Anyone heard of that before?

Did it take damage to you? Or only just the animation of EC? It happened to me to that RK wanted to use EC, but he died before it hit, and i saw the animation, but no damage from it.

Originally Posted by Rathregraw

Did it take damage to you? Or only just the animation of EC? It happened to me to that RK wanted to use EC, but he died before it hit, and i saw the animation, but no damage from it.

Well, I died from it... ^^ It did about 4k dmg, the target was stunned right after he used PI and seemingly died while he was stunned and then somehow used his EC while being dead. I saw the target die and then it hit me. It should show in the log, but it didn't. I even have combatanalysis installed and it didn't show there either.

Originally Posted by stoffi

Well, I died from it... ^^ It did about 4k dmg, the target was stunned right after he used PI and seemingly died while he was stunned and then somehow used his EC while being dead. I saw the target die and then it hit me. It should show in the log, but it didn't. I even have combatanalysis installed and it didn't show there either.

It's p2w pot called Aftershock for 1000000000000 TP

Originally Posted by Bogburz

It's p2w pot called Aftershock for 1000000000000 TP

No, it's the new rk exploit everyone's using :P

Originally Posted by Ranroth

No, it's the new rk exploit everyone's using :P

From what I hear the whole class is an exploit!?!

*sits back and grabs the popcorn*

Originally Posted by Bogburz

*sits back and grabs the popcorn*

Be careful... :S

Yet another boring, empty weekend in EM awaits us tomorrow yay........

Originally Posted by Ranroth

Be careful... :S

This is what just happened inside RK players heads.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTSyclIKtvQ

Originally Posted by Bogburz

From what I hear the whole class is an exploit!?!

hmm. This is true.

Originally Posted by Bogburz

From what I hear the whole class is an exploit!?!

It is of course, but on a more serious note, no one's heard of this before?

Originally Posted by stoffi

I was just hit by an EC after the target died and it doesn't show in the combat log at all. Anyone heard of that before?

From what I have heard and got the understanding of is that it's no bug or glitch.

It's the same for alot of skills and I suppose it has something with animations are slower than the game itself, I can't explain it but I have experiencing oh so many times skills go off after I die, or I throw fireballs on a dead corpse even though I interupted the induction and also mounting while casting SI (Always do).

Let's say I have pressed the button to fire of EC, but it won't go off... The game is waiting for the times from the previous skill to end, during this time you are killed just when your skill will go off... The game has allready processed the information of EC scoring a 4k hit on you but the animation is slower... Just like when you get ganked by a raid and you retreat you see numbers popping up above your head but nothing happens, the damage is allready done but the animation (graphics) needs to play it up for you.

Originally Posted by The_Legacy

From what I have heard and got the understanding of is that it's no bug or glitch.

It's the same for alot of skills and I suppose it has something with animations are slower than the game itself, I can't explain it but I have experiencing oh so many times skills go off after I die, or I throw fireballs on a dead corpse even though I interupted the induction and also mounting while casting SI (Always do).

Let's say I have pressed the button to fire of EC, but it won't go off... The game is waiting for the times from the previous skill to end, during this time you are killed just when your skill will go off... The game has allready processed the information of EC scoring a 4k hit on you but the animation is slower... Just like when you get ganked by a raid and you retreat you see numbers popping up above your head but nothing happens, the damage is allready done but the animation (graphics) needs to play it up for you.

EC is instant and I got hit and died from it 0.5-1 sec after the rk died and it didn't show in the log. I know this is normal for induction skills or skills with long animation, but this is just really weird. Never experienced it before, in 4 years of warging. It should show in the log, this seems like some kind of glitch. The EC went off when the rk was dead, and that's probably why it didn't show in the log, just as an attack from stealth doesn't show.

I never saw him wake up from the stun either, but maybe he had that millisecond.

Originally Posted by stoffi

EC is instant and I got hit and died from it 0.5-1 sec after the rk died and it didn't show in the log. I know this is normal for induction skills or skills with long animation, but this is just really weird. Never experienced it before, in 4 years of warging.

its coz he pushed ec before u pushed hips and ec aint instant its like 0.5 induction
Killed on mine rk many wagrs like this

its the same thing like hutners interrupting weavers burrow etc
Dont forget its online game so might be lag for 1 of the side as well.

Basically stoff you got greedy and didnt run away quick enough =(

Originally Posted by stoffi

EC is instant and I got hit and died from it 0.5-1 sec after the rk died and it didn't show in the log. I know this is normal for induction skills or skills with long animation, but this is just really weird. Never experienced it before, in 4 years of warging. It should show in the log, this seems like some kind of glitch. The EC went off when the rk was dead, and that's probably why it didn't show in the log, just as an attack from stealth doesn't show.

I never saw him wake up from the stun either, but maybe he had that millisecond.

Eldar's grace, Call to the Valar and Wisdom of the council is instant skills, and it happened many times that my skills go of after I die... Seconds after I die. Call to the Valar sometimes just freeze... The skill is marked in que but it never goes of, and can you understand how annoying that is when you have 3 wargs chewing your butt?

All skills made after my death won't show up in Combat chat, I guess it's the same for this RK, it was a skill used after he died so it won't show up on combat chat for anyone of you.

I must say I think this is a bug that happens now and then and can't be fixed that easy, and I hardly think it's either easy or effective to pull of to be called an Exploit.

Originally Posted by Gillrain

its coz he pushed ec before u pushed hips and ec aint instant its like 0.5 induction
Killed on mine rk many wagrs like this

its the same thing like hutners interrupting weavers burrow etc
Dont forget its online game so might be lag for 1 of the side as well.

I think you missunderstod, Stoffi didn't HiPs, he killed an RK who cast EC after the RK was dead.

I don't think it is something different then the induction 'bug', I'm not a game designer or anything close to it at all, but what I think that's happening when you hit a skill is that the server will do some auto checks, like who is the target how many damage it will do etc.

We know when this happens on long inductions and these checks are done and wargs HiPS for example the skill still goes off. Because the HiPS information is later processed then the induction checks. I think the same goes for this 'bug' only because the skill is instant the timing window it can occur in is even smaller then with inductions and therefor not often / almost never seen.

Like you said stoff he prob just had that milisecond window and due to some server lag the hit got delayed on your side. All together a coincidence that won't happen often..

Option 2 is there is something 'up there' who favours RK's and wanted to **** you off

Originally Posted by The_Legacy

I think you missunderstod, Stoffi didn't HiPs, he killed an RK who cast EC after the RK was dead.

Meybe but its the same, meybe rk poped ec before he died so he killd stoff before he got killd

Originally Posted by Feloborn

I don't think it is something different then the induction 'bug', I'm not a game designer or anything close to it at all, but what I think that's happening when you hit a skill is that the server will do some auto checks, like who is the target how many damage it will do etc.

We know when this happens on long inductions and these checks are done and wargs HiPS for example the skill still goes off. Because the HiPS information is later processed then the induction checks. I think the same goes for this 'bug' only because the skill is instant the timing window it can occur in is even smaller then with inductions and therefor not often / almost never seen.

Like you said stoff he prob just had that milisecond window and due to some server lag the hit got delayed on your side. All together a coincidence that won't happen often..

Option 2 is there is something 'up there' who favours RK's and wanted to **** you off

Sorry to say but that's all rubbish. Let me explain...


First of all there's no such thing as "instant" skills. There's immediate, fast and normal skills - but that's a slightly different topic.
All skills have animations and they vary in length.
The effect of skills - damage, heals, buffs/debuffs - can kick in at any point during the animation, at the very start (like clobber or addle that gives you the interrupt) or after the animation is finished (burg's surprise strike from stealth - very long animation).

The point is: if the skill is triggered, it will complete the animation - regardless of whether the user is already dead or not.

EC doesn't have a very long animation though - but I "think" (don't play rk very often) the effect (the damage in this case) doesn't kick in till after the animation is finished. This means that you occasionally can be unlucky and get killed by a dead rk - or some other class for that matter... As long as he triggers the skill right before he dies it will still fire off half a sec or so after he's dead.

As for it firing off after he came out of the stun is a bit weird, but I guess he managed to trigger the skill just before the stun wore off. Call it a glitch - it's definitely not an exploit. It's simply how the combat system works.

Put it this way Hargad,

Store branding and hipsing the second i root you, running away and then coming back when you see im fighting waolas does not warrant any sort of corpse jumping on your behalf. I fail to see any kind of situation were you could justifiably corpse jump anyone ... ever.

If people were looking for examples of the recent onset of FailBurg weve had bestowed upon us as of late. They need look no further.

That is all.

Originally Posted by DharmaSpider

Put it this way Hargad,

Store branding and hipsing the second i root you, running away and then coming back when you see im fighting waolas does not warrant any sort of corpse jumping on your behalf. I fail to see any kind of situation were you could justifiably corpse jump anyone ... ever.

I have noticed that corpse jumping is more common among those who aren't able to beat creeps while they're still alive.

i dont post much here to many peps with ego's as big as a house but what im after seeing 30+creeps taking tr which i have no probs with at all.but freeps with on buf and i counted 12of us out side gv with no spawn and no keep to defend and out numbered at least 3/1 and we have to go looking for creeps tut tut.at least show a bit of fight and give us a spawn at our backs not to wait till we go like a flock of sheep to ec to get malded.drunking rant over

Originally Posted by DharmaSpider

Put it this way Hargad,

Store branding and hipsing the second i root you, running away and then coming back when you see im fighting waolas does not warrant any sort of corpse jumping on your behalf. I fail to see any kind of situation were you could justifiably corpse jump anyone ... ever.

If people were looking for examples of the recent onset of FailBurg weve had bestowed upon us as of late. They need look no further.

That is all.

Fail burg. It's hard to respect players acting like that guy does.

I wish we could get some real burgs back, where's the burg squads of Aqua and Gilias?

Originally Posted by looptheloop

i dont post much here to many peps with ego's as big as a house but what im after seeing 30+creeps taking tr which i have no probs with at all.but freeps with on buf and i counted 12of us out side gv with no spawn and no keep to defend and out numbered at least 3/1 and we have to go looking for creeps tut tut.at least show a bit of fight and give us a spawn at our backs not to wait till we go like a flock of sheep to ec to get malded.drunking rant over

beefore that you were wiping us with 1 and a half raid the whole night (we had ON buff with a full creep raid)...after we got some numbers we had some decent fights, and suddenly freeps disappeared, so we decided to do some PvE... as you fliped Lug with all other keeps before an hour, we just started with Luga, after LC, TR-goldi, ID-bird and OR...the main reason was taking some keeps do some deeds aswell etc... As i said you fliped Lug first with a full Creep raid(still ON buff on creep sidee), why its a problem to take TR with 10freeps on? after that never ending OC-spawn fights i think creeps can be sometimes unfair to freeps

Originally Posted by looptheloop

i dont post much here to many peps with ego's as big as a house but what im after seeing 30+creeps taking tr which i have no probs with at all.but freeps with on buf and i counted 12of us out side gv with no spawn and no keep to defend and out numbered at least 3/1 and we have to go looking for creeps tut tut.at least show a bit of fight and give us a spawn at our backs not to wait till we go like a flock of sheep to ec to get malded.drunking rant over

I've said it before and I'll say it again!

CREEPS <3 PVE

Originally Posted by Criista

beefore that you were wiping us with 1 and a half raid the whole night (we had ON buff with a full creep raid)...after we got some numbers we had some decent fights, and suddenly freeps disappeared, so we decided to do some PvE... as you fliped Lug with all other keeps before an hour, we just started with Luga, after LC, TR-goldi, ID-bird and OR...the main reason was taking some keeps do some deeds aswell etc... As i said you fliped Lug first with a full Creep raid(still ON buff on creep sidee), why its a problem to take TR with 10freeps on? after that never ending OC-spawn fights i think creeps can be sometimes unfair to freeps

To be fair, he didn't say there was a problem taking TR with X freeps. He's just a little miffed at the fact that when creeps are pwned like the freeps were when creep raid was taking all the keeps we expect them to come Grams (Grams fights are awesome :P) and when freeps are at GV we expect them to get farmed at EC when we have TR. TR - GV fights are good fun tbh. I'm certainly one of the people who'd usually advocate moving to Grams instead of getting stomped at OC (Which is dead easy these days) when freeps have all keeps and are raided so I can see his point tbh.

Originally Posted by looptheloop

i dont post much here to many peps with ego's as big as a house but what im after seeing 30+creeps taking tr which i have no probs with at all.but freeps with on buf and i counted 12of us out side gv with no spawn and no keep to defend and out numbered at least 3/1 and we have to go looking for creeps tut tut.at least show a bit of fight and give us a spawn at our backs not to wait till we go like a flock of sheep to ec to get malded.drunking rant over

Just bad timing sadly, after TR we went and PVE'd, doing goldhead, golloval, OR and ID. Then we took a short break, when we emerged from that break we came and found you at EC. I did log over after that to try and balance out the numbers but you'd already gone off in your drunken rage

I don't play in EM very often I am more of a PvE kinda guy but I thought it was about time I got my ### into gear and got the kin back into the moors so I arranged a creep night on friday and was left absolutly speechless with how morbidly underpowered the creeps are compared to freeps these days. Now I know we were mostly rank four creeps with none of the audacity buff but I would seriously expect to do more than 80 dps on a medium armour freep. We gave up in the end as it was no fun. Turbine need to get off their asses and fix and yes thats fix not add a load more TP buffs to balance it back up, do you think your subscribers are made of money?

Originally Posted by Wyvernclaw

I don't play in EM very often I am more of a PvE kinda guy but I thought it was about time I got my ### into gear and got the kin back into the moors so I arranged a creep night on friday and was left absolutly speechless with how morbidly underpowered the creeps are compared to freeps these days. Now I know we were mostly rank four creeps with none of the audacity buff but I would seriously expect to do more than 80 dps on a medium armour freep. We gave up in the end as it was no fun. Turbine need to get off their asses and fix and yes thats fix not add a load more TP buffs to balance it back up, do you think your subscribers are made of money?

Welcome to creepside. We've got T-shirts.

I was thinking about transferring my spider to this server, but seeing the 80% of the moors population consists of rks and minstrels I think I will keep the 3k turbines...

Originally Posted by Feomalo

I was thinking about transferring my spider to this server, but seeing the 80% of the moors population consists of rks and minstrels I think I will keep the 3k turbines...

Server transfers; biggest waste of TP ever invented. Good decision.

Originally Posted by Feomalo

I was thinking about transferring my spider to this server, but seeing the 80% of the moors population consists of rks and minstrels I think I will keep the 3k turbines...

Dunno how it is on other servers but I like freep and Creep community.
And yes population is FOTM population...

Just noticed on my creep today that there where 3 new R8 RK's I have never seen... I am not that active but... they have R8.

Originally Posted by Feomalo

I was thinking about transferring my spider to this server, but seeing the 80% of the moors population consists of rks and minstrels I think I will keep the 3k turbines...

Too many fotm players indeed.

Originally Posted by Wyvernclaw

I don't play in EM very often I am more of a PvE kinda guy but I thought it was about time I got my ### into gear and got the kin back into the moors so I arranged a creep night on friday and was left absolutly speechless with how morbidly underpowered the creeps are compared to freeps these days. Now I know we were mostly rank four creeps with none of the audacity buff but I would seriously expect to do more than 80 dps on a medium armour freep. We gave up in the end as it was no fun. Turbine need to get off their asses and fix and yes thats fix not add a load more TP buffs to balance it back up, do you think your subscribers are made of money?

And that's why we don't get new recruits anymore. It's too hard for new guys, how are they meant to survive until they get rank 9, rank 7 audacity, all their skills and not least, vast experience?

Originally Posted by Feomalo

I was thinking about transferring my spider to this server, but seeing the 80% of the moors population consists of rks and minstrels I think I will keep the 3k turbines...

That's not true on Gilrain. The moors on Gilrain are dominated by hunters, champs, minstrels and rks. You will usually find a few tanks online along with a few burgs, and usually a few wardens along with an lm.

Here's top 15 for today(probably yesterday if I'm not mistaken): http://dailystats.theblackappendage....hboard/Gilrain

I'd say it's more varied than one would think.

I think you should transfer.

Originally Posted by stoffi

Here's top 15 for today(probably yesterday if I'm not mistaken): http://dailystats.theblackappendage....hboard/Gilrain

I'd say it's more varied than one would think.

I think you should transfer.

So on top 15 freeps today we find 6 rk's and 2 mini's. If we shorten it to top ten we find 5rk's and 1 mini.
And your point was?

If we look at freep/creep class distribution it seems like hunters are back on top as the most played freep class the last few days. Except hunters most players are in fact playing as rk, mini or warg. http://dailystats.theblackappendage....w=gilrain&d=30

Originally Posted by grapez

So on top 15 freeps today we find 6 rk's and 2 mini's. If we shorten it to top ten we find 5rk's and 1 mini.
And your point was?

If we look at freep/creep class distribution it seems like hunters are back on top as the most played freep class the last few days. Except hunters most players are in fact playing as rk, mini or warg. http://dailystats.theblackappendage....w=gilrain&d=30

Hehe, my point is that there are many other classes as well. It's been far worse back when mini were op alone. The thing about freep side these days is that a whole range of classes are op and will yield the "good feeling" for easymoders, so players are more widely dispersed amongst the op classes than before. And hunters are as usual a good class to play, easy to grasp, good inf and always a popular class.

Originally Posted by stoffi

Hehe, my point is that there are many other classes as well. It's been far worse back when mini were op alone. The thing about freep side these days is that a whole range of classes are op and will yield the "good feeling" for easymoders, so players are more widely dispersed amongst the op classes than before. And hunters are as usual a good class to play, easy to grasp, good inf and always a popular class.

Nonsense, Freeps have always been OP, just that some classes were more OP than others.

Originally Posted by DharmaSpider

Put it this way Hargad,

Store branding and hipsing the second i root you, running away and then coming back when you see im fighting waolas does not warrant any sort of corpse jumping on your behalf. I fail to see any kind of situation were you could justifiably corpse jump anyone ... ever.


That is all.

Corpse Jumping is prevalant amongst Creeps, indeed when I complained about it I didn`t see you saying it was wrong then, and after a 2 weeek break from EM I came back on Friday, before I joined the Raid I was killed at West TA Bridge by the Creep Raid, 3 Creeps immiediately started cj`ing me, I never saw any posts by Creeps complaining about that, so if you want it to stop, then maybe you should admonish your own side first.

I for one will not allow it if I`m leading a Freep Raid.