Thread: A handy guide on who to blame in the event of a wipe.

We've all been there; a hard-fought slog through an avalanche of trash mobs, umpteen bio breaks and disconnects, a hurried trade of potions because "I forgot" and then - disaster - multiple wipes at the boss.

Edit: The important thing at this point is not to discuss what went wrong, but to identify who is to blame.

Here's your handy cut-out and keep guide on who to blame when the inevitable wipe happens.

If you're a minstrel remember the first rule of the minstrels' union - it's NEVER our fault. It's the fault of the hunter, champion, hunter, guardian, hunter, warden, loremaster and captain in that order. Unless there's a RK in which case he's at fault always. *lorebreakers* - *hiss*

If you're a guardian, always always blame the dps for getting aggro, especially if secretly you know that you didn't do enough to keep the aggro in the first place. A good secondary move is to either blame the minstrel for not healing "enough" or say that "it's the off-tank's fault for not protecting the squishies". This will give you valuable time as everyone else wonders who the off-tank was.

If you're a warden, same as the guardian with the extra complaint that "you guys never allowed me to build up my aggro". Maintain this position even if the whole raid was on afk and you tagged the boss accidently.

If you're a captain, blame the hunter first, obviously. If running in secondary healer mode speculate on the lack of dps in the group. If in other modes point out the lack of heals. Ensure that you leave the impression that if only you'd been specced right the group would have been saved.

If you're a loremaster, blame the hunter first, then the tank. Blow a fuse about the amount of times you were asked for "moar pwr" and tell the group that if you weren't so busy draining the boss' power you could have done all sorts of stuff to debuff him. Remain vague about what that stuff would have been.

If you're a runekeeper, blame the hunter first. You also have a choice. If you were DPSing tell the minstrel that you would have done a better job of healing the group and that minstrel healing sucks. It is essential that you get this point across. If you were healing, decry your inability to heal spike damage unlike the overpowered minstrels. You may strike lucky and be asked to heal in a group with a DPS minstrel. In this case, relax my friend, you will never have to take the blame....

If you're a champion always blame the tank first - clearly he should have maintained aggro whatever you were doing, even if you tagged the boss first with a couple of shing shings! Remind the guardian how rubbish his dps is in comparison and laugh pityingly at the warden. If you're playing the tank role, blame the dps for not allowing you to get the aggro and the minstrel for wasting heals on everybody else.

If you're the hunter, duck! You're going to be number one suspect. You have three options:

1) Complain that the tank didnt keep aggro and you always open up with heartseeker, what's the problem. And hell, bringing those extra mobs to the party speeds things up usually. Ask the warden why there was a problem when normally "you guys love being surrounded by 'em".

2) Argue that you couldn't do enough DPS because you kept getting aggro from the rubbish tank and had to dial back your awesomeness. Quote a few choice gems from the combat log and then sigh and say "but then I got the mobs on me so I had to stop whilst I ran away from the tank".

3) Pluck the strings of your bow nonchalantly and say "hunter sees mob, hunter fills mob with arrows". Smile winningly.

Remember, being kicked from a group when you're a hunter is merely a sign of how awesome you are and how threatened by your terrificness the rest of the group was.

If you're the burglar, relax. It's never the fault of the burglar because no-one knows what they do. Just keep your mouth shut until the arguments finish and then set an incomprehensible 6 different colour fellowship manoevre to keep everyone on their toes. Remember also - if someone says "what sort of fellowship manoeuvre is that?" say "they're conjunctions". Equally, if someone says "what sort of conjunction is that?" say "they're fellowship manoevres". Make it clear that you are an inch away from adding "noob" to that phrase.

I hope this helps everyone. I trust this will enable groups of all levels and experience recover from the set-back of a wipe through tolerance and understanding of the role that each member of the team has to play in the group.

Happy questing in Middle Earth.

Great guide = )

I love it.

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Originally Posted by shireborn

If you're a runekeeper, blame the hunter first. You also have a choice. If you were DPSing tell the minstrel that you would have done a better job of healing the group and that minstrel healing sucks. It is essential that you get this point across. If you were healing, decry your inability to heal spike damage unlike the overpowered minstrels. You may strike lucky and be asked to heal in a group with a DPS minstrel. In this case, relax my friend, you will never have to take the blame....

Hahahha, this is great, post of the day !

Excellent guide...I vote for sticky-hood....eerrr...sticky-dom...uhhh...oh just sticky the durn thing!

Good stuff. I will re-post this in a couple of months and claim it as my own.

Someone's phishin for +rep.

Good read.

Fantastic guide

I blame the hunter. And if that fails, I blame the healer for not getting close enough for me to SW.

Good post, but remember, if there is a warden in your group, its ALWAYS his/her fault.

Lol great guide, thanks for the laughs.

Originally Posted by shireborn

A good secondary move is to either blame the minstrel for not healing "enough"

I was blamed for healing "too much" by an OP guardian who couldnt keep aggro off me in GB once. There goes another excuse for a guard

The Captain part was the best because, in my experience, all Captains think that they're the best thing since sliced bread and that they can fulfill ANY role if only they were traited correctly and that no group can get anything done unless it has a Captain. (And it sucks that, for the most part, they are right...) LOL

I've taken to blaming the loremaster, as a flexible class it's clear that they've made the wrong choices for the fight.

If they are using the lynx, it's clear they should be using the bear. If the bear is in use they should be using the bog lurker. If the bog lurker is out, the eagle would have been a better choice. If the eagle is traited they should have traited ents instead.

If they're standing away from the fray, doing incomprensible things, they should be in the thick of things dealing melee damage with staff strike and staff sweep. In melee range? Clearly they should be standing back debuffing mobs.

The group didn't kill mobs fast enough, because the LM didn't use ents and ISG. ISG, ents, cracked earth are AOEs that tagged additional mobs and brought them to the fight.

The LM didn't mez mobs attacking the healer because he was busy draining power. The LM didn't give power because he was busy cc'ing mobs.

So much to do, and if things really hit the fan, I'm sure there's something there to blame on the LM.

Originally Posted by Namesse

I've taken to blaming the loremaster, as a flexible class it's clear that they've made the wrong choices for the fight.

If they are using the lynx, it's clear they should be using the bear. If the bear is in use they should be using the bog lurker. If the bog lurker is out, the eagle would have been a better choice. If the eagle is traited they should have traited ents instead.

If they're standing away from the fray, doing incomprensible things, they should be in the thick of things dealing melee damage with staff strike and staff sweep. In melee range? Clearly they should be standing back debuffing mobs.

The group didn't kill mobs fast enough, because the LM didn't use ents and ISG. ISG, ents, cracked earth are AOEs that tagged additional mobs and brought them to the fight.

The LM didn't mez mobs attacking the healer because he was busy draining power. The LM didn't give power because he was busy cc'ing mobs.

So much to do, and if things really hit the fan, I'm sure there's something there to blame on the LM.

I like your style

Awesome Thread!

tl;dr "Blame someone else"















j/k!

Seriously, funneh stuff Good job lol

Originally Posted by Namesse

I've taken to blaming the loremaster, as a flexible class it's clear that they've made the wrong choices for the fight.

When in doubt, blame the LM, Captain, or Burg. As complex hybrids, people usually really don't know what those classes are doing at any given time. Even the players of those classes will probably agree and say, "Yeah, you're right, I could have done more there, sorry."

With tanks, healers, and dps, it's often depressingly simple to tell if people are basically doing their jobs. Not so with the Thrilling Three! They're buffing, they're debuffing, they're CCing, they're offhealing, they're throwing in some extra damage, they're doing something with some icon you never saw before (guess that's probably good too, they must know what they're doing)... wait what was that, was that intentional? Sure looked cool.

Originally Posted by shireborn

/snip
If you're the burglar, relax. It's never the fault of the burglar because no-one knows what they do.

ROFL! Best thread ever. Love this part especially...

Hey! It's NEVER the LM's fault.

When the LM turns the scary sword into a wet noodle and you get killed by it, it's your own stupid fault.

You break mez, you die, your problem. Don't worry, I'll rez you... *snickers*

Don't blame the Lynx. He's snuggled up in my pack. That was my cat. He was being chased by the other LM's Fox. Blame him.

Rofl.

Best thread in a while.

Originally Posted by Namesse

I've taken to blaming the loremaster, as a flexible class it's clear that they've made the wrong choices for the fight.

If they are using the lynx, it's clear they should be using the bear. If the bear is in use they should be using the bog lurker. If the bog lurker is out, the eagle would have been a better choice. If the eagle is traited they should have traited ents instead.

If they're standing away from the fray, doing incomprensible things, they should be in the thick of things dealing melee damage with staff strike and staff sweep. In melee range? Clearly they should be standing back debuffing mobs.

The group didn't kill mobs fast enough, because the LM didn't use ents and ISG. ISG, ents, cracked earth are AOEs that tagged additional mobs and brought them to the fight.

The LM didn't mez mobs attacking the healer because he was busy draining power. The LM didn't give power because he was busy cc'ing mobs.

So much to do, and if things really hit the fan, I'm sure there's something there to blame on the LM.

This reminds me of the time I was playing my LM and had someone blame my pet for a really bad pull in 16th Hall. I
pointed out that he might be right, except I wasn't using any of my pets at all. I figured who ever it was thought it was a good way to try and divert blame.

Originally Posted by shireborn

If you're the hunter, duck! You're going to be number one suspect. You have three options:

1) Complain that the tank didnt keep aggro and you always open up with heartseeker, what's the problem. And hell, bringing those extra mobs to the party speeds things up usually. Ask the warden why there was a problem when normally "you guys love being surrounded by 'em".

2) Argue that you couldn't do enough DPS because you kept getting aggro from the rubbish tank and had to dial back your awesomeness. Quote a few choice gems from the combat log and then sigh and say "but then I got the mobs on me so I had to stop whilst I ran away from the tank".

3) Pluck the strings of your bow nonchalantly and say "hunter sees mob, hunter fills mob with arrows". Smile winningly.

Remember, being kicked from a group when you're a hunter is merely a sign of how awesome you are and how threatened by your terrificness the rest of the group was.

I love, Love, LOVE this!! This is a great guide. My fave was number 3. It reminds me of one guy in our Kin that has a Hunter that can pretty much wipe out most mobs singlehandedly. He plays it so well that when he's in a Fellowship or a Raid some people in the party wonder, "and the rest of us are here why??" If he weren't so nice you could easily hate him for his character's awesomeness.

I'm an "alt-aholic" and have characters for all 9 classes, and my Hunter is my fave. I want my Hunter to be as awesome as my kin-mate's.

Love it, great guide. Need a sticky. :P

+rep

Really very funny Thanks for sharing

Originally Posted by shireborn

If you're the burglar, relax. It's never the fault of the burglar because no-one knows what they do. Just keep your mouth shut until the arguments finish and then set an incomprehensible 6 different colour fellowship manoevre to keep everyone on their toes. Remember also - if someone says "what sort of fellowship conjunction is that?" say "they're conjunctions". Equally, if someone says "what sort of conjunction is that?" say "they're fellowship manoevres". Make it clear that you are an inch away from adding "noob" to that phrase.
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Its "Conjunction Junction whats your function?"

Brilliant Especially as a burg main :P


+rep!

Great post, and I absolutely agree as a burg. My favorite saying "How could it be my fault, I'm the only one still alive?". Then I have a seat and eat some cookies while the healer runs back to rez everyone.

I always blame the RK, even/especially if there isn't one in the fellowship

+1 made me smile

Originally Posted by shireborn

If you're the burglar, relax. It's never the fault of the burglar because no-one knows what they do. Just keep your mouth shut until the arguments finish and then set an incomprehensible 6 different colour fellowship manoevre to keep everyone on their toes. Remember also - if someone says "what sort of fellowship conjunction is that?" say "they're conjunctions". Equally, if someone says "what sort of conjunction is that?" say "they're fellowship manoevres". Make it clear that you are an inch away from adding "noob" to that phrase.

I guess it is time to roll a burglar

I mostly only group with kinnies and it seems that I am always the Scape goat for when something goes wrong

However awesome thread.

Originally Posted by shireborn

If you're a warden, same as the guardian with the extra complaint that "you guys never allowed me to build up my aggro". Maintain this position even if the whole raid was on afk and you tagged the boss accidently.

This really made me laugh!

+ rep, nicely done.

Awsome post. +rep

Originally Posted by Tosaf

Its "Conjunction Junction whats your function?"

great now that song is stuck in my head

this thread is full of +1's

This was wickedly funny!! Thank you

Loved it, though I feel I have to point out a few omissions:

Loremasters in particular should be blaming the Champion for breaking mezzes. Breaking mezzes should be the primary focus of any blame directed at the Champion. Even when no CC classes are in the group, because the average Champ isn't intelligent enough to realise that anyway.

Everyone should be blaming the Loremaster/Captain's pet for dragging in new enemies. They can't even defend themselves, don't miss the opportunity!

Everyone should be blaming everyone else for screwing up Conjunctions "that definitely would have saved us" - especially strange unique ones where it can be unclear exactly whose mistake it was. In fact if it was your mistake, be sure to jump on this one early to divert suspicion.

If I'm in your group, just blame me--no matter which class I'm playing. You'd probably be right.

Well done! And welcome to the forums.

Originally Posted by Tosaf

Its "Conjunction Junction whats your function?"

School house rock!

Remind me to roll another Captain...

shireborn... that names sounds familiar... did you play as a character called shireborn on Eldar?