Fathlorn stop kiting the whole fight or I will interrupt every single 1 vs 1 I ever see you in
My name is Purebloodnakh, Chieftain of Saruman's Armies of the North, General of the Warg Legions, loyal servant to the true Lord, Sauron. And I will have my vengeance, in this life or the next.
Also, really enjoyed the many fights we had Rhine-1, definitely looking forward to more with you
Good fights Moshiach. After a few fights I found out that fighting with 2 Audacity was more challenging. Looking forward to more Double KB fights.
Originally Posted by frosty132
Wtb nerf on Catch prey.
Its nearly impossible to beat u with Catch Prey lol. Still managed to beat u once in our last fight Please use CP in our future fights. Its more challenging.(maybe w/o the armour and evade buffs)
Thanks to many creeps i got to 1v1 today. Looking forward to many more.
Thanks for the non-healing 1v1s, Lighthouse. Big props for trying that. Perhaps some in-between would be more fair. In any case, not many minis will attempt that, so /salute.
Thanks for the non-healing 1v1s, Lighthouse. Big props for trying that. Perhaps some in-between would be more fair. In any case, not many minis will attempt that, so /salute.
+1. one of the very few minstrels that do not play god mode. /salute
Thanks for the non-healing 1v1s, Lighthouse. Big props for trying that. Perhaps some in-between would be more fair. In any case, not many minis will attempt that, so /salute.
I don't think you deserve to be posting things like that after your poor show a few days ago.
Nice 1v1s last night Mosh, Swash, Rikmuz, Insanae and anyone else I missed. Respect to those who had the good grace to come back despite Zoli's rather disrespectful zerging of the dueling grounds. It was quite frustrating really - not only did he continually zerg the 1v1s but simply by having such an unnecessarily large force out at the time, the creeps had the outnumbered buff for a while. An added challenge I suppose, but still... *sighs*
despite Zoli's rather disrespectful zerging of the dueling grounds.
Why dont you tell the full story what happened? Zolis group actually came across your 1vs 1 party and we left you guys alone and went into the keep. Several creepe from your 1 vs 1 party followed us from behind and in stealth into the keep and attacked us.. When we attacked back these players ran back the keep lawns where you were doing the 1 vs 1 area for protection.
In future take your 1 vs 1 to an area away from keep lawns - e.g. candy mountain and you will be left alone. Attacking us first and and running us away will not be tolerated and is quite disrespectful of the courtesy we had already extended.
Why dont you tell the full story what happened? Zolis group actually came across your 1vs 1 party and we left you guys alone and went into the keep. Several creepe from your 1 vs 1 party followed us from behind and in stealth into the keep and attacked us.. When we attacked back these players ran back the keep lawns where you were doing the 1 vs 1 area for protection.
In future take your 1 vs 1 to an area away from keep lawns - e.g. candy mountain and you will be left alone. Attacking us first and and running us away will not be tolerated and is quite disrespectful of the courtesy we had already extended.
This is a very good example of why Keep Lawns are a TERRIBLE place to 1v1.
It's hard enough to "police" 1v1 circles without this overlap.
And honestly, if you want to 1v1 and have people who are trying to group fight and capture objectives leave you alone, you can't suddenly abandon your 1v1 because the people who enjoy playing the map as it was designed (Objective based map control) are suddenly draped in NPCs. You want them to stay out of your way? Stay out of theirs.
"Spiders CC is unbearable... it's just as bad as loremasters" ~ Brodster
Why dont you tell the full story what happened? Zolis group actually came across your 1vs 1 party and we left you guys alone and went into the keep. Several creepe from your 1 vs 1 party followed us from behind and in stealth into the keep and attacked us.. When we attacked back these players ran back the keep lawns where you were doing the 1 vs 1 area for protection.
In future take your 1 vs 1 to an area away from keep lawns - e.g. candy mountain and you will be left alone. Attacking us first and and running us away will not be tolerated and is quite disrespectful of the courtesy we had already extended.
While TR lawn is a horrible spot for 1v1s, that is not what happened at all. I fail to see how zerging a LM reaver fight (he was the only creep there) could consist of a creep stealthing into a keep and fighting you.
Of course, with the wonderful ability not to move your camera alot of people have I understand the true power of uruk and orc stealth in the moors! Although the notable lack of tree's in front of TR do limit this somewhat.
You have every right to zerg 1v1s its an open map, but don't expect not to be called out on it, and if you are called out, don't make up some bs excuse. You zerged them after TR was blue ./shrug.
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Thanks for the great fights Bill, Frosty, Swash, Moshiach, Muz, Griz, Swiftd and anyone else who I have forgotten!
Votan | Xeyila | Grisburnakh
Retired - Thanks for the fun and the fights
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Apocatequil again.
Really though, you should know by this point that soloers and people who are involved in a 1v1 are expected to respect the almighty zerg while the zerg can not be held responsible for their actions.
Very fun Frost-1, glad I finally got to fight you! Also great to finally get a 1v1 with you Muzaniakh, think that was the first time. Thanks to Himmy as well.
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Cmalberg - Elendilmir
-Stickygritz, Gritzwarr, and all those Gritz. Greblam
, that is not what happened at all. I fail to see how zerging a LM reaver fight (he was the only creep there) . You zerged them after TR was blue ./shrug.
Umm no TR was still red.. It was red for at least an hour after as we did some other objectives.
If you say he was the only creep there and then saying we zerged them (meaning multiple) you have already proven your post to be inaccurate.
Call out what you want. people there know what happened. We had a least a warg (who stealthed) and a spider come and attack us from behind as we were pulling chieftains from the keep. When we attacked them they ran back to the group doing 1 vs 1. There was at least 6 creep and 6 freep doing 1 vs 1 which we had already spotted, approached and left alone.
After we got attacked the gloves were off and we zerged the whole 1 vs 1 whether they attacked us or not as we could not trust or know who to trust any more.
As suggested in future take the 1 vs 1 away from the keeps and this wont happen.
Umm no TR was still red.. It was red for at least an hour after as we did some other objectives.
If you say he was the only creep there and then saying we zerged them (meaning multiple) you have already proven your post to be inaccurate.
Call out what you want. people there know what happened. We had a least a warg (who stealthed) and a spider come and attack us from behind as we were pulling chieftains from the keep. We we attacked them they ran back to the group doing 1 vs 1. There was at least 6 creep and 6 freep doing 1 vs 1 which we had already spotted, approached and left alone.
After we got attacked the gloves were off and we zerged the whole 1 vs 1 whether they attacked us or not as we could not trust or know who to trust any more.
As suggested in future take the 1 vs 1 away from the keeps and this wont happen.
Or just don't be a zerghappy pve'er. Try pvp'ing.
And you rolled over the 1v1's before the creeps there even went to TR. So..
Umm no TR was still red.. It was red for at least an hour after as we did some other objectives.
If you say he was the only creep there and then saying we zerged them (meaning multiple) you have already proven your post to be inaccurate.
Call out what you want. people there know what happened. We had a least a warg (who stealthed) and a spider come and attack us from behind as we were pulling chieftains from the keep. When we attacked them they ran back to the group doing 1 vs 1. There was at least 6 creep and 6 freep doing 1 vs 1 which we had already spotted, approached and left alone.
After we got attacked the gloves were off and we zerged the whole 1 vs 1 whether they attacked us or not as we could not trust or know who to trust any more.
As suggested in future take the 1 vs 1 away from the keeps and this wont happen.
What I read here is: "You get in the way of my ezmode zerg and I will zerg you. Not my fault I love easy points so much."
Ah the joys of forum anonymity, lets just agree that we both perceived different things about the fights last night. Having said that, it looks really really bad to be recruiting in glff for more freeps when the creeps have the ON buff (a completely different issue to the zerging of 1v1s I know, although they could be related due to the lack of creeps elsewhere to fight).
I hope you enjoy the 18v1-4 fights! I know I enjoy small group fights as well
Sure, one can always fall back on the "Turbine design" argument and say that it is acceptable, it is how the zone functions, but honestly... Can you say that keep flipping is a better, more productive, and more enjoyable use of time than looking for actual PvP?
Flipping keeps without opposition is hardly what they were designed for so people who used that argument clearly don't know what they are talking about.
Flipping keeps without opposition is hardly what they were designed for so people who used that argument clearly don't know what they are talking about.
They're there for multiple reasons.
NO MORE LEGENDARIES - This isn't a job, it's a game.
Ok let me make something clear here that might be confusing.
Our freep raid zerged the 1vs1 several times (3 or 4 times) over the space of a couple of hours. Maybe some of you guys came during the time as was not aware this was after we got attacked in the keep.
We are not stupid enough to think we zerged them once they wont do that again. Basically we didn't trust the 1vs1 amymore, they shouldn't be here anyway lets zerg them.
We did not zerg them for the commendations, we only wanted to ensure they would not leave the 1 vs 1 and jump us taking the keeps again.
Now I understand I am against most of you guys here. This is a PvMP board and once you guys got your gear there is little benefit from flipping keeps and you prefer a red map so you can destroy the low level creep that only come out at this time. But fact of the matter is we are playing how Turbine has intended and you should direct you anger at them and not us 'newer' pvp'ers trying to make commendation to buy our gear.
We took not satisfaction in zerging the 1vs1, it was more out of frustration and disappointment and wanted to ensure it would not happen again. Why would I be asking nicely for you guys to take it away from the keeps? We respect the way you all want to play in the moors and wish you respect ours.
We did not zerg them for the commendations, we only wanted to ensure they would not leave the 1 vs 1 and jump us taking the keeps againa. lets zerg them.
Ok let me make something clear here that might be confusing.
Our freep raid zerged the 1vs1 several times (3 or 4 times) over the space of a couple of hours. Maybe some of you guys came during the time as was not aware this was after we got attacked in the keep.
We are not stupid enough to think we zerged them once they wont do that again. Basically we didn't trust the 1vs1 amymore, they shouldn't be here anyway lets zerg them.
We did not zerg them for the commendations, we only wanted to ensure they would not leave the 1 vs 1 and jump us taking the keeps again.
Now I understand I am against most of you guys here. This is a PvMP board and once you guys got your gear there is little benefit from flipping keeps and you prefer a red map so you can destroy the low level creep that only come out at this time. But fact of the matter is we are playing how Turbine has intended and you should direct you anger at them and not us 'newer' pvp'ers trying to make commendation to buy our gear.
We took not satisfaction in zerging the 1vs1, it was more out of frustration and disappointment and wanted to ensure it would not happen again. Why would I be asking nicely for you guys to take it away from the keeps? We respect the way you all want to play in the moors and wish you respect ours.
Flipping keeps is hardly the best way to earn commendations and armour. You know it's possible to earn comms through actual PvP as was the intention. Turbine designed it so you could actually earn your armour via PvP.
Seriously though, I didn't go anywhere in the moors but the 1v1s all night and there was an attempted zerging on me. Work harder on your stories. Your imaginary method of ensuring it doesn't happen again is counter-productive. If I had more time, it would have made me do exactly what you were supposedly trying to prevent.
Theory-craft though. That story isn't even what happened. Bring on the easy renown/comms!
Ok let me make something clear here that might be confusing.
Our freep raid zerged the 1vs1 several times (3 or 4 times) over the space of a couple of hours. Maybe some of you guys came during the time as was not aware this was after we got attacked in the keep.
So you got attacked in a keep, therefore over the course of a couple of hours some of those creeps decided to 1v1 rather than fight your raid and hence being as they had fought your raid in a red keep they lost the privledge to 1v1?
Originally Posted by Gogooo
We are not stupid enough to think we zerged them once they wont do that again. Basically we didn't trust the 1vs1 amymore, they shouldn't be here anyway lets zerg them.
You didn't trust a group of solo 1-6 creeps. Are you saying that you expected a potential solo zerg of 6 creeps to be a major issue to a raid of 18 whilst they were 1v1ing?
Originally Posted by Gogooo
We did not zerg them for the commendations, we only wanted to ensure they would not leave the 1 vs 1 and jump us taking the keeps again.
So by zerging them you made them less likely to want to zerg you in return? I fail to see how you killing them in a 1v1 circle, which was on a map point and extremely close to a rez, was ever going to stop them fighting you if they chose to do so.
Originally Posted by Gogooo
Now I understand I am against most of you guys here. This is a PvMP board and once you guys got your gear there is little benefit from flipping keeps and you prefer a red map so you can destroy the low level creep that only come out at this time. But fact of the matter is we are playing how Turbine has intended and you should direct you anger at them and not us 'newer' pvp'ers trying to make commendation to buy our gear.
Ok, so I don't have my audacity gear, I choose to PvP to get it, not to flip/commendation farm. You are aware you can be more than competivite against 90% of the players out there without audacity yes? I don't know about you, but I play lotro to have fun, not to grind for gear that is only really useful in 1 zone and if you are grinding the gear you aren't doing what was meant to be done in that zone anyway <.<
Originally Posted by Gogooo
We took not satisfaction in zerging the 1vs1, it was more out of frustration and disappointment and wanted to ensure it would not happen again. Why would I be asking nicely for you guys to take it away from the keeps? We respect the way you all want to play in the moors and wish you respect ours.
In what way was that respect? You can do whatever you like in the moors, zerg 1v1s farm commendations, flip from side to side. Your logic/reasoning behind your actions just doesn't make sense as you have presented them here.
If you want commendations for gear for the love of anything, PvP for them, you'll learn about your class have a ton of fun and realize that deaths in LoTRO mean nothing. The 1v1ers you killed don't care about the deaths, they are just as likely to kill you either way. What does annoy people, me especially is the interruption of close good fights under the pretense of good PvP.
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Retired - Thanks for the fun and the fights
I didn't go anywhere in the moors but the 1v1s all night and there was an attempted zerging on me.
Exactly..
As I said if you guys are 1v1 on the keep lawn and some of you creeps leave that and jump us while we are in the keep then expect us to come out and zerg all the 1v1 crowd. What do you expect us to do? write now the names of the guys that attack us and only go back and attack them? Not use any aoe coz we might hit some creeps that did not try and jump us?
Take you 1vs1 to candy mountain and there wont be this problem, or dont try and play both sides- 1vs 1 but change to get a jump when we are pull tyrants/chieftains.. Coming here to QQ will not help...
As I said if you guys are 1v1 on the keep lawn and some of you creeps leave that and jump us while we are in the keep then expect us to come out and zerg all the 1v1 crowd. What do you expect us to do? write now the names of the guys that attack us and only go back and attack them? Not use any aoe coz we might hit some creeps that did not try and jump us?
Take you 1vs1 to candy mountain and there wont be this problem, or dont try and play both sides- 1vs 1 but change to get a jump when we are pull tyrants/chieftains.. Coming here to QQ will not help...
You realize your argument is shaky, at best, right? People would do the same thing from CM. I wouldn't be surprised in the least if you were to bring your raid up to CM and zerg the 1v1s there because of your skewed sense of justice and respect. It really isn't any different.
So you got attacked in a keep, therefore over the course of a couple of hours some of those creeps decided to 1v1 rather than fight your raid and hence being as they had fought your raid in a red keep they lost the privledge to 1v1?
No.. as explained before.. we saw the 1vs1 outside. We left them alone.. they attacked us and ran back the 1vs1. We zerged the 1 vs 1.. We did other objectives but when we came back to take the keep the 1vs1 was still there. We took initial action rather than have them attack us. They are free to 1v1 - no one lost privilege - but expect to be attacked by us if we get attacked.
You didn't trust a group of solo 1-6 creeps. Are you saying that you expected a potential solo zerg of 6 creeps to be a major issue to a raid of 18 whilst they were 1v1ing?
We had 12 players and there were some other creep about. We were overrun a few times during the night. We cannot keep tabs - dont attack this creep he is a 1vs1. We get attacked. We attack back. Kinda simple to me
So by zerging them you made them less likely to want to zerg you in return? I fail to see how you killing them in a 1v1 circle, which was on a map point and extremely close to a rez, was ever going to stop them fighting you if they chose to do so.
No by killing them means they are not around when we attack the keep. Sure they can run back but it would be harder for them to jump us as a group.I am pretty sure thats allowed by game mechanics
Ok, so I don't have my audacity gear, I choose to PvP to get it, not to flip/commendation farm. You are aware you can be more than competivite against 90% of the players out there without audacity yes? I don't know about you, but I play lotro to have fun, not to grind for gear that is only really useful in 1 zone and if you are grinding the gear you aren't doing what was meant to be done in that zone anyway <.<
I beg to differ. We are playing the game turbine intended. In either case you play your way and I will play mine.
In what way was that respect? You can do whatever you like in the moors, zerg 1v1s farm commendations, flip from side to side. Your logic/reasoning behind your actions just doesn't make sense as you have presented them here.
As I said we initially left the 1v1 party alone. That I feel is respectful. I think that is quite logical and presented well, it must be a comprehension issue.
If you want commendations for gear for the love of anything, PvP for them, you'll learn about your class have a ton of fun and realize that deaths in LoTRO mean nothing. The 1v1ers you killed don't care about the deaths, they are just as likely to kill you either way. What does annoy people, me especially is the interruption of close good fights under the pretense of good PvP.
We do pvp whilst doing the objectives that turbine encourages. Even though I have no objections turbine did not design the moors for 1vs1 otherwise guess what... you would be only allowed to 1vs1 there! What annoys me is when we get told that we are not properly pvp while attacking creeps and completing objectives.
As i said at least 4 times now.. If you do not want interruptions dont 1vs1 on the keep lawns.
You realize your argument is shaky, at best, right? People would do the same thing from CM. I wouldn't be surprised in the least if you were to bring your raid up to CM and zerg the 1v1s there because of your skewed sense of justice and respect. It really isn't any different.
What would you suggest then? We have 2 options as I see it.. ignore the 1v1 part or zerg it. When we ignored it some our healers were jumped when we were in keep. So we zerged it..
I would hope that zerging might encourage you guys to take the 1v1 somewhere else... I feeling like a broken record here..
If you have another suggestion please be my guest...
As I said if you guys are 1v1 on the keep lawn and some of you creeps leave that and jump us while we are in the keep then expect us to come out and zerg all the 1v1 crowd. What do you expect us to do? write now the names of the guys that attack us and only go back and attack them? Not use any aoe coz we might hit some creeps that did not try and jump us?
Take you 1vs1 to candy mountain and there wont be this problem, or dont try and play both sides- 1vs 1 but change to get a jump when we are pull tyrants/chieftains.. Coming here to QQ will not help...
I still don't see how this justifies you zerging creeps in the middle of a 1v1. I mean it's safe to assume any creep that is 1v1ing was not part of the keep fight seeing as they couldn't have already started a 1v1 if they just got there. So, you really only have somewhat of a justification to zerg the creeps standing there idly. And even then I find it hard to believe that you couldn't tell who you were just fighting you in the keep. If you couldn't tell if they were part of the keep fight they would have been there long enough that they have made a clean getaway, have they not? Stop trying to justify zerging 1v1s. All you really wanted was easy points and trying to deny that is pointless.
It takes less than a second to determine if something is a 1v1. Stop making excuses and just say you zerged to zerg. Sure people will choose to dislike you for it but the constant justification is more irritating than admitting you killed them because they were there and you could. What irritates me even more is that this is the 1v1 thread and it is not being used properly. Take it elsewhere.
Anyways, back on topic. Thanks as always to Ratkill and EcksomethingorotherIdon'tremem ber. Saw damage ticking on me for 45 damage, that really sucks Ratkill. Bigger man than me for playing a gimped class.
Also thanks to Hippi! Long close fights are always my favorite. /wink wink nudge nudge.
Cmalberg - Elendilmir
-Stickygritz, Gritzwarr, and all those Gritz. Greblam
It takes less than a second to determine if something is a 1v1. Stop making excuses and just say you zerged to zerg. Sure people will choose to dislike you for it but the constant justification is more irritating than admitting you killed them because they were there and you could. What irritates me even more is that this is the 1v1 thread and it is not being used properly. Take it elsewhere.
Yes it is very easy to determine a 1vs1. It not easy to remember names of 6+ people that jump you and spot 3 or 4 or more names from another group of 6+ names and aoe and not hit the few names that wasn't in the initial list.
I dont think people really will dislike us for it. I think they will come to the forums and QQ about it because they do not like us taking keeps so will find any excuse to QQ. I am sorry this irritates you but it was brought up on here with 1/2 told truths so I need to correct the story and reply to the criticisms and trolls.
The take it elsewhere is what I keep saying!!!!
Edit: As requested I am trying to respect your thread and not keep answering the trolls. I said my bit and explained it and said it again. Call me names (raid baby) and keep trolling.. I will try and be the bigger man >.<
Why bother having a serious argument with a raid baby? There is clearly an unbridgeable difference in what they consider good PvP as opposed to those that solo/small group. A preference for a lot of kills and easy points over difficult fights and a high chance of failure. A line or two of derision and then continuing on one's way seems the best way of dealing with it.
Good fight today Illy. Thanks for not using CDs and waiting around at the end of that fight. I figure that my very last bleed tick must have gotten you :P.
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Please use CP in our future fights. Its more challenging.(maybe w/o the armour and evade buffs)
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