Thread: Petition: Please assign lore-appropriate names when forced renaming!

*signs an elaborate ''Mae'' in reply*

I am hoping that Makalaure has returned from the halls of Mandos....?

Originally Posted by Laurefinde

Chapter II of the name change game:
Someone else has my removed name now. Makalaure - level 11 Elf Guardian
How can this be? How will I get it back if another has taken it in the interim? *Mind Boggles*

I have absolutely no trust in Turbine.
I simply think that the GMs don't verify anything, because they don't care or because they have not the time, pressed by a management who only cares for short time money making.
I think that the system as it is is just a way for players to hit and wound other players they don't like : I don't like you, i report you, because whatever your name, the GMs won't control and will change it to some random ugly name.
That's the whole system for me, and if they don't run it correctly, they'd better to abandon it, because silly names stay, and nice players with correct names get punished just because someone decided to annoy them.
Pathetic.

This evening I just saw a character who had had their name changed by a GM to "Surname". Seriously. Is that meant to be lore respecting in anyway at all?

Some of the GM's might benefit from reading the books...

Originally Posted by Curugirion

While I fully support the Zero Tolerance policy with regard to obscene and offensive names - as well as the ludicrous 'Pwnerlolz' - I don't see why there cannot be a simple process of open dialogue between GM and player when a ticket is made against a name that - to all intents and purposes - is lore appropriate already. To quote the The Lord of the Rings Online CODE OF CONDUCT:

"For other naming violations, a Lord of the Rings Online Game Master will contact you in-game to discuss your character's name."

Does this mean Turbine's own GM's have been in violation of their own Code of Conduct in implementing namechange decisions?

Where an obvious naming violation is not so clearly evident, the player should surely be entitled the opportunity to justify the retention of their name, or at the least, to offer an alternative name for their character to be changed to; arbitrary renaming by a GM seems to me to be a rather vandalous act, when taking into account the damage it causes to a character who is, after all, the intellectual creation of the player.

/signed

Very well said.

Lets hope the GM's never find out that Tane is slang for a ladies parts.

Well the renaming issue continues. A friend of mine was renamed without warning. He had the name for 5 years.

There is something very wrong here.

If this was the result of a player complaining they should be throughly ashamed of themselves for the hurt their pretty mindedness has caused.

This never used to be an issue for years with Codemasters. The "role play police" we had in beta quickly got a grip and actually headed off and role played/ enjoyed themselves rather that trying to make other peoples lives a misery.

I cant help wondering of the access to the server by NAO players has brought an entirely new bunch along who think they have the right to cause harm and hurt to others.

Incidently I have no objection to folk complaining about all the legolols that seem to have no action taken against them. But to target players who have made every effort to have lore based names is not acceptable.

Incidently I am also a keen roleplayer as well so this is not about roleplayers it is about those that think they have a right to enforce their oversensitivity and rigid dogmas on others.

The continuing hurt to long term and loyal players caused by these name changes is totally unacceptable and appears to be totally out of step with any sense of reality.

Redemption

Originally Posted by Bado

Very well said.

Lets hope the GM's never find out that Tane is slang for a ladies parts.

Tane is also a Maori name for a boy

Originally Posted by SoAndSo

Tane is also a Maori name for a boy

Yes or man.

In Māori mythology, Tāne (also called Tāne Mahuta, Tāne nui a Rangi, and several other names) is the god of forests and of birds, and the son of Ranginui and Papatuanuku, the sky father and the earth mother, who lie in a tight embrace. Their many children live in the darkness between them (Grey 1956:2).

I agree with Redemption2 on this.
If many of the players were just children or lack maturity, then (maybe) you could (try to) understand the heavy handed approach by the GMs.

This maltreatment of their player base needs to be addresses and the GMs involved in naming policy need appropriate training in name policy and appropriate handling of the situation.

There definitely seems to be room for improvement in this area.

Originally Posted by Redemption2

Well the renaming issue continues. A friend of mine was renamed without warning. He had the name for 5 years.

There is something very wrong here.

If this was the result of a player complaining they should be throughly ashamed of themselves for the hurt their pretty mindedness has caused.

This never used to be an issue for years with Codemasters. The "role play police" we had in beta quickly got a grip and actually headed off and role played/ enjoyed themselves rather that trying to make other peoples lives a misery.

I cant help wondering of the access to the server by NAO players has brought an entirely new bunch along who think they have the right to cause harm and hurt to others.

Incidently I have no objection to folk complaining about all the legolols that seem to have no action taken against them. But to target players who have made every effort to have lore based names is not acceptable.

Incidently I am also a keen roleplayer as well so this is not about roleplayers it is about those that think they have a right to enforce their oversensitivity and rigid dogmas on others.

The continuing hurt to long term and loyal players caused by these name changes is totally unacceptable and appears to be totally out of step with any sense of reality.

This is so not true... back with Codies, we had this often enough. Someone would come along and say their name (or one used by some friend of theirs, or whatever) that they'd had 'N' years had just been changed, and make a fuss about it, and we'd always have someone like you saying these exact same things about name changes.

Nine times out of ten, if we found out what the name was that got changed then it turned out there *was* something wrong with it. And when I see you saying things like 'oversensitivity' and 'rigid dogmas', it makes me inclined to think that in this case there was something wrong with it, really, and you know it.

And maybe we are very naive : GMs are humans, they cost money ! So maybe nowadays when you send a petition to report a name, it simply arrives in a software which automatically gives a new random name...

In fact... we could make some tests : let's create some new characters with perfectly correct names (corrects in the way that they don't break turbine's rules, not some self proclaimed rules, for example by using the ingame name generator), which we will have verified in google. There are here enough lore addicted people to help us not to choose a wrong name, and then let's report these chars.
We will see...

Originally Posted by Radhruin_EU

This is so not true... back with Codies, we had this often enough. Someone would come along and say their name (or one used by some friend of theirs, or whatever) that they'd had 'N' years had just been changed, and make a fuss about it, and we'd always have someone like you saying these exact same things about name changes.

Nine times out of ten, if we found out what the name was that got changed then it turned out there *was* something wrong with it. And when I see you saying things like 'oversensitivity' and 'rigid dogmas', it makes me inclined to think that in this case there was something wrong with it, really, and you know it.

Well it seems it is you that is wrong.
The person in question has had a full apology from another GM who also stated that a note to say that the name had been previously marked acceptable had not been put on the character notes.
While they cannot reinstate the old name, they have made sure no-one else can use it. The person received a name change to something very similar to the original name and Turbine points as an apology.

Nobody on Laurelin wants to see deliberately Lore breaking names but when people go on crusades trying to enforce the 'letter of the Lore' rather than the 'spirit of the game', yes other are going to call them pedantic and oversensitive.

As I have pointed out in a previous post a perfectly Lore abiding name could have alternate meanings to others.

Originally Posted by Radhruin_EU

This is so not true... back with Codies, we had this often enough. Someone would come along and say their name (or one used by some friend of theirs, or whatever) that they'd had 'N' years had just been changed, and make a fuss about it, and we'd always have someone like you saying these exact same things about name changes.

Nine times out of ten, if we found out what the name was that got changed then it turned out there *was* something wrong with it. And when I see you saying things like 'oversensitivity' and 'rigid dogmas', it makes me inclined to think that in this case there was something wrong with it, really, and you know it.

Well in Law that would form a case of special defense what we Roman-Continental system followers would call as an exceptio. If you allow someone to use a right for a prolonged time he would end up owning the right like if it was always his. The time itself would legitimize the thing what would otherwise considered illegitimate. In other words if someone has used something as important as a name for a long time, without hindrance and problems with third parties, he owns it.

The controversy that surrounds the name could have been undone with an undergraduate IT student coding a primitive program that would banish the use of all The Silmarillion vocabulary at start. While the Turbine/CM had much better IT arsenal than that, they did not. While effectively banning the use of Feanor as a name, while they could employ a basic coder to solve the problem, again they did not and left its quenya translation free, giving an image that this sort of conversion would become legitimate to players.

Therefore you can discuss the application of naming policy on someone freely, but after N years they too are earning some rights. Whether right or wrong the point becomes something else than lore controversy on the names. It becomes the difficulty of the person which has been allowed to use the same name for (lets say) five years, and suddenly one day he has to play a new life with none of his friend list knows that he's actually him, not to mention what troubles would it cause in auctions, raids and at any situation that would involve a well established name.

Originally Posted by Bado

Well it seems it is you that is wrong.

'Nine times out of ten', I said. That allows for happy exceptions

It doesn't change what I said to that other guy about what it was like when Codies ran things.

Nobody on Laurelin wants to see deliberately Lore breaking names but when people go on crusades trying to enforce the 'letter of the Lore' rather than the 'spirit of the game', yes other are going to call them pedantic and oversensitive.

Some people call them pedantic and oversensitive even when there is something clearly wrong with the name in question. Something else we used to get back when Codies were around, too.

As I have pointed out in a previous post a perfectly Lore abiding name could have alternate meanings to others.

Rarely. And there's a reliable antidote for that, search for each new name in Google and see what crops up.

Yes we did have some issues at the start but by and large the number of lore related names being changed greatly reduced over time. I do not suggest it entirely died out. However, things have got worse of late as some appear to be be doing a lot more reporting of late.

Whether this is to cleanse the server of lore imperfections or as has been speculated as harrassment or name stealing I can't say. What I do know is that within 24 hours someone else had used the name that was changed.

However, the good news is the victim if this has a new name very similar to his original and Turbine have resolved the issue in a fair and proper manner.

Redemption

well do you know what i find funny on the rp servers where there is strict infact overstrict nameing policy is that no one actually roleplays there people are more concerned about upholding what they consider to be lore rather then roleplaying.

Originally Posted by rougeredmage

well do you know what i find funny on the rp servers where there is strict infact overstrict nameing policy is that no one actually roleplays there people are more concerned about upholding what they consider to be lore rather then roleplaying.

Oh that was quite of a statement. May I ask you what time of day you try to RP/or where you are, since you say no one is Roleplaying?


I wouldn't necessary agree with you, as my experiences totally differes from yours. But if you are located mostly around Bree, that is the hub for both newbies and random RP. It might be you do not always bump into spontanious RP as you wish. It truly depends on what time of the day/ and what layer you get into.

But there are so many regular events during week/so many RP kin on Laurelin. So it shouldn't be any problem to get the RP you need. Just look at the frontpage on Laurelin forum. Is 17 events that is directed towards RP (4 of them are regulary held every week) . Have a look at them, and if you still disagree of the lack of RP on Laurelin, and have valid reasons, then I shall not argue against your opinions anymore.

But of course if you're not a Roleplayer, and are located into end-games areas. Then I would suspect you just like to prove a point against this topic for some reasons, not willing to know where you actually can get RP

Originally Posted by rougeredmage

well do you know what i find funny on the rp servers where there is strict infact overstrict nameing policy is that no one actually roleplays there people are more concerned about upholding what they consider to be lore rather then roleplaying.

Hullo there,

I completely disagree with you on your statement. Nothing could be more far from the truth. Laurelin is the most lovely place and very much alive with roleplay . As Achy said, there are lots of events, some regular some more special, ALL of them aimed to roleplayers. There are kins, stories, bands, concerts, weekly gatherings etc...one just need to visit our Laurelin Archives to see how much its going on. It always make me smile when someone comes and say things like you do. As Achy said, give some good examples of people not roleplaying and I may just be able to listen to you