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    Re: Getting Ganked At CM For No Good Reason



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    Let me explain a little of what is going on to you. (Now plz note i was not part of the group that killed you at CM). The whole thing started with your first post. The 1v1s you were at and complaining about, I, along with a lot of other creeps, was watching. There was a group with burgs and a warden putting Reveal weakness on creeps that were 1v1ing and the warden was amushing them. This happened over and over and instead of coming to the forums and QQing the creeps said "We'll take care of this ourselves" and grouped up to kill those guys.

    If you got killed in that mess it was because u were in the wrong place at the wrong time. It happens. Honestly, I know I have accidently interupted 1v1s because i load freeps kinda slow and 1 usually turns in to 10+, so i shoot first, and questions later. If I realize i've interupted I will stop and apologize. BUT some times it happens. It's a PvP zone. Cant do much about it.

    Why ppl are making you a target now is cus you're whinning about it instead of going "oh well it happens". (FYI you're not my target. I dont really care. This is just a creep to english translation). What Five is telling you is if you dont like it you can do the same thing he did to the group that was messing with the 1v1s that day and make a raid to roll the ppl who were messing with you. If you feel this isnt fair maybe you should try having a kind and calm conversation with someone. Believe it or not creeps really arent puppy kicking, baby punching, evil ppl playing from their jail cells. Whether you think so or not, as a whole these people are, as a whole, just like the people on freep side. There are many nice ppl. There are many ppl who are as nice. There are ppl who 1v1. There are ppl who raid. They just play a different side. If you can have a calm convo with someone you can probably work it.
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    Re: Getting Ganked At CM For No Good Reason

    I do agree with Malarick for an extent. Getting zerged on CM is very frustrating, as I have had the same thing happen to me. People wait until I got in a 1v1, then zerged it. Yes. You do come to accept the fact 1v1s are going to be ganked. Even at CM. But this is relatively a bit stronger case with this grudge. I am not taking a side here. But if grudges continue that ruin 1v1s, it will get many people involved. Including me.

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    Re: Getting Ganked At CM For No Good Reason

    If you're gonna bring your grudge against Malarick to CM 1v1s, youre gonna get people who like 1v1s involved, i.e. me. I don't like Malarick, but CM is CM.

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    Re: Getting Ganked At CM For No Good Reason

    I don't know how anyone can expect that what they do off CM won't affect them on CM. It's still the same group of people in the same damn zone. I see 1v1 wrecking creeps and KB stealing burgs on CM and I have to say that I'm half tempted to do the same.

    In this specific case, though, the group was obviously doing it for the RRRRRAGELULZ!

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    Re: Getting Ganked At CM For No Good Reason

    Quote Originally Posted by WhiteTiger31 View Post
    Sorry but the last I recall I said that it amuses me how attercopper can't actually fight me 1v1 and he has to gank me. I never said that it upsetted me. Sorry if you didn't take reading class when you were a kid.
    Maybe not so far as "upset" but you have made 2 threads now, and when anyone has made a reply you just insult them or make or stupid comment. Or is that actually you trying to argue?

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    Re: Getting Ganked At CM For No Good Reason

    Quote Originally Posted by reianime View Post
    Believe it or not creeps really arent puppy kicking, baby punching, evil ppl playing from their jail cells.
    Oh come on now... that's just crazy talk.


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    Re: Getting Ganked At CM For No Good Reason

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    Re: Getting Ganked At CM For No Good Reason

    Besides that fact that the LOTRO community has declared CM the 1v1 area(which makes it official) and that anyone that zergs that area is indeed a "troll". I have a much bigger problem with the 10 boxer roaming the ettenmoors. It does effect the way the game is supposed to play, and I do not believe that Turbine intended a user to use 3rd party tools to gain an advantage over other players; therefore, we must all arrive at the conclusion that the act of Multi-boxing should be banned and anyone who participates in it should be banned.

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    Re: Getting Ganked At CM For No Good Reason

    Quote Originally Posted by MattDamon106 View Post
    Besides that fact that the LOTRO community has declared CM the 1v1 area(which makes it official) and that anyone that zergs that area is indeed a "troll". I have a much bigger problem with the 10 boxer roaming the ettenmoors. It does effect the way the game is supposed to play, and I do not believe that Turbine intended a user to use 3rd party tools to gain an advantage over other players; therefore, we must all arrive at the conclusion that the act of Multi-boxing should be banned and anyone who participates in it should be banned.

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    Haha epic derail. CM is the 1v1 area, and we are not discussing zerging the 1v1s, but not allowing a player in. i.e. I do not allow Malarick or w/e his name is to participate when I am able to prevent it. And yeah I always wondered why multiboxers never get banned for using the third party tools as an advantage... then I remember Turbine likes money.
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    Re: Getting Ganked At CM For No Good Reason

    Quote Originally Posted by Bhorn_EU View Post
    Erm, I may be missing something here, but why would you, Attercopper, think you can ALLOW or DISALLOW any other player to go wherever they wish in a game world that, unless you actually own in a very real sense of the word, you have absolutely no propretiory rights over?

    I am only asking this because you have stated (twice) that you will not allow player X to goto place Y.
    lol... what do you think he means? pointless post... also its proprietary* :P

    apart from arnomion and this dude i see wayyy more dirty freeps (reveal weakness, shield wall, captain buffing before every single 1v1, chilling rhetoric, etc) than dirty creeps

    Quote Originally Posted by MattDamon106 View Post
    Besides that fact that the LOTRO community has declared CM the 1v1 area(which makes it official) and that anyone that zergs that area is indeed a "troll". I have a much bigger problem with the 10 boxer roaming the ettenmoors. It does effect the way the game is supposed to play, and I do not believe that Turbine intended a user to use 3rd party tools to gain an advantage over other players; therefore, we must all arrive at the conclusion that the act of Multi-boxing should be banned and anyone who participates in it should be banned.

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    agreed although if they ever do get banned ill miss the free points they give me. plus i wont be able to call anyone humpty dumpty anymore lol
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    Re: Getting Ganked At CM For No Good Reason

    Quote Originally Posted by MattDamon106 View Post
    I have a much bigger problem with the 10 boxer roaming the ettenmoors.
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    Re: Getting Ganked At CM For No Good Reason

    It is going, sadly. Just bad when you try to defend yourself doing it. Even worst when a 12boxer does it and then camps CM for any returning freeps. Lawl.

    Quote Originally Posted by WhiteTiger31 View Post
    Like I said, it amuses me. I find it funny that creeps think they are all that because they killed a group of 6 freeps without a minstrel there and without about 6 NPCs on them including the tyrant.
    how about fightin 12v12 in a blue TA w/ npcs on you..oh wait we won that one nvm...well at least I have come to realize with these new freep raids that running is victory even if it is seen as a tactical retreat where you map out afterwards but thats just me...
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    Re: Getting Ganked At CM For No Good Reason

    Btw Mal the only reason I Ganked you was because you named a stone " USuxatthisgame " amd proptly put it on my short burrow that was being camped by 3-5 Freeps on TA lawn when it was Freep owned.
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    Re: Getting Ganked At CM For No Good Reason

    Quote Originally Posted by Undertaker1 View Post
    Btw Mal the only reason I Ganked you was because you named a stone " USuxatthisgame " amd proptly put it on my short burrow that was being camped by 3-5 Freeps on TA lawn when it was Freep owned.
    Imo not an excuse to zerg CM. Get him back in a way that shows skill if you have any if this is your issue.

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    Re: Getting Ganked At CM For No Good Reason

    Candy Mountain is not a safe haven to farm rank. You are not a Crusader of Justice if you call out and kill anyone who interrupts the 1v1s that occur there. Sure, it's fun every once in awhile to test out your skills and see who would win in a fight, but that only goes so far. Neither faction will honor them for very long, and if they last longer than, say, 30 minutes, then it is nothing more than rank farming.

    Sometimes gank vs. gank fights at CM are more like good old fashioned open-world PvP anyway. Both sides get plenty of points and there's no organized farming going on.

    Both sides gank 1v1s and it's not an indication of skill, it's an indication of what happens when you put a bunch of people together in a PvP zone.


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    Re: Getting Ganked At CM For No Good Reason

    blah blah blah CM official 1v1 area. blah blah I got killeded in a pvp zone. blah blah blah why can't I just go up here and fight against the opposition in a game that is not balanced for 1v1s...blah blah blah I love 1v1s when I can win or when I don't have the numbers to zerg them. That so far has been the complaints and how really silly.

    News flash!! If turbine wanted a 1v1 area they would have made an arena. I don't care if the whole populace of the BW pvp community flat out says CM is for 1v1's only, that doesn't make it true or forbidden to gank people there until they come cry on the forums. I know it must be hard to accept that by leaving GV stairs you put yourself into an area that is not full of nice scripted little npcs, and that by chance someone out there just might not care for 1v1 and decide to gank them much to your chagrin. But guess what...thats what the moors is.

    If you find a 1v1, and you are able to participate without interference feel lucky. Heck if your a respected 1v1 person (Mat, Arn, Slyc, Stylen ect you know who you all are) I will probably walk on by. But dont think for a second that if I walk up on CM (or anywhere else for that matter) and the mood strikes me that I wont just gank you. If you don't like it, do what I do when someone on the other side does something that irritates me, remember their name and kill them over and over again, camp them at rez, corpse jump them till your fingers go numb, whatever. But crying on the forums about it is almost as funny as your tirade in ooc today about some little burg being a spy.
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    Re: Getting Ganked At CM For No Good Reason

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    OMG! Haha this picture is like way over a year old. Theres Clawless yelling at the troll Kaziklu or w/e lmao!!! Good times. I bet I am saying "lol fail" at the CM getting overrun... idr lol...
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    Re: Getting Ganked At CM For No Good Reason

    Quote Originally Posted by dantheman865301 View Post
    Imo not an excuse to zerg CM. Get him back in a way that shows skill if you have any if this is your issue.
    I never said it was an excuse, its the reason Why I Ganked him.
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    Re: Getting Ganked At CM For No Good Reason

    Quote Originally Posted by Undertaker1 View Post
    I never said it was an excuse, its the reason Why I Ganked him.
    ...kinda an excuse..

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    Re: Getting Ganked At CM For No Good Reason

    Quote Originally Posted by Odeken View Post
    OMG! Haha this picture is like way over a year old. Theres Clawless yelling at the troll Kaziklu or w/e lmao!!! Good times. I bet I am saying "lol fail" at the CM getting overrun... idr lol...
    And look at you rank 3 spider! Awesome!
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    Re: Getting Ganked At CM For No Good Reason

    Quote Originally Posted by gurszwarg View Post
    Good times. I miss Clawless. I even miss Kaziklu. I had a macro once: "/ooc Kaz who is your freep?"
    I miss Rutgorr too haha
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    Re: Getting Ganked At CM For No Good Reason

    Quote Originally Posted by dantheman865301 View Post
    ...kinda an excuse..
    Reasons and excuses fall under basicly the same catagory, take it as you will.
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    Re: Getting Ganked At CM For No Good Reason

    BTW the raid i was talking about that was made to roll the ppl putting revealing weakness and ambushing creeps in the middles of 1v1s wasnt even at CM. It was around dragon rock. What's-his-face made his QQ thread after that.
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    Re: Getting Ganked At CM For No Good Reason

    Malarick my friend, are you not the person that was calling Voa's raid the main freep raid last night, despite the fact you had less that mine and that you were wiping continously and had to wait until my raid had been engaged for 5 minutes before engaging, and still wiping?

    Malarick my friend, you have just dug yourself a hole and you will not be getting out of it. Good day.

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    Re: Getting Ganked At CM For No Good Reason

    Epic thread is epic...

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    Thumbs down Re: Getting Ganked At CM For No Good Reason

    I do not believe in 1V1 in PvP. You show up here someone will die. Attercopper said it best, You wanna 1v1 do it in the 21st hall. If this is all you wanna do in the mores, do this foolishness elsewhere. you are causing lag or something. D E R P !

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    Re: Getting Ganked At CM For No Good Reason

    I can't wait for a thread complaining of being killed while AFK.

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    Re: Getting Ganked At CM For No Good Reason

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    I can't wait for a thread complaining of being killed while AFK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CarltheRed View Post
    I can't wait for a thread complaining of being killed while AFK.
    LOL... Speaking of which, I was AFK on TA stairs when Stylen's burg killed my WL... it was hilarious, oh wait... I am so mad... QQ...

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    Re: Getting Ganked At CM For No Good Reason

    Raid baby scum!

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    Re: Getting Ganked At CM For No Good Reason

    Is this a serious thread? wats 1v1?

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    Re: Getting Ganked At CM For No Good Reason

    I like how Malarick always rage quits his own threads. If you cant defend your opinion (much less defend yourself at 1v1 circles) then don't post.

    (Btw sorry you didn't get into Dragon's Wrath)
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    Re: Getting Ganked At CM For No Good Reason

    1v1 circles seem to be dead for now on this server. They always get ganked/zerged by both sides because x person made a trolling forum post or y person ganked me last time or I'm the sheriff of the moors and z person is a jerk and then devolve into he said, she said draaama on the forums. Best way to get 1v1s seems to be random encounters, or getting ganked by single burgs/wargs.

    Really would like to see an arena setup but I know why turbine won't do it. No one would go out to ettens then. Too bad though as pvp will remain a side show to pve in this game.

    Continue with the hypocrisy and drama please...
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    Re: Getting Ganked At CM For No Good Reason

    Quote Originally Posted by Aothriel1965 View Post
    LOL... Speaking of which, I was AFK on TA stairs when Stylen's burg killed my WL... it was hilarious, oh wait... I am so mad... QQ...
    Wait, that's not fair...at least you were able to get killed solo, I was zerged in TR hallway 2 days ago. It was almost enough for me to put down my lasanga and rage quit LoTRO and erase all my characters. That would have shown everyone I meant serioz biznezz out in the moors.

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    Re: Getting Ganked At CM For No Good Reason

    I logged in a rez circle once and the one shotters zerged me when i signed back in! QQ
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    Re: Getting Ganked At CM For No Good Reason

    Quote Originally Posted by gericat9344 View Post
    I do not believe in 1V1 in PvP. You show up here someone will die. Attercopper said it best, You wanna 1v1 do it in the 21st hall. If this is all you wanna do in the mores, do this foolishness elsewhere. you are causing lag or something. D E R P !
    Do 1v1 in 21st Hall? Oh yeah because there is a lot of creeps to 1v1 there! -_-
    Also I have never lagged in a 1v1 circle so that argument is just stupid. Raid fights cause lag, not 1v1 circles.

    We don't ask much, just one little spot to 1v1. It happens to be CM. If your not happy with that and want to zerg people there, your free to do it, I agree with that, but you're just labeling yourself as a giant d-bag.
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    Re: Getting Ganked At CM For No Good Reason

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    Re: Getting Ganked At CM For No Good Reason

    Quote Originally Posted by Murdernickle View Post
    I logged in a rez circle once and the one shotters zerged me when i signed back in! QQ
    U should have taken screenies and made a qq thread.

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    Re: Getting Ganked At CM For No Good Reason

    Quote Originally Posted by Fubu23 View Post
    Do 1v1 in 21st Hall? Oh yeah because there is a lot of creeps to 1v1 there! -_-
    Also I have never lagged in a 1v1 circle so that argument is just stupid. Raid fights cause lag, not 1v1 circles.

    We don't ask much, just one little spot to 1v1. It happens to be CM. If your not happy with that and want to zerg people there, your free to do it, I agree with that, but you're just labeling yourself as a giant d-bag.
    Some people including me lag in 1v1 circles. Just cause you don't doesn't mean everyone doesn't.
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    Re: Getting Ganked At CM For No Good Reason

    I don't care what you guys say mr white tiger brings out the best in forum pvp his threads are epic!
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