Thread: Please, transfer Scholar Guild to the places like Bree or Ered Luin

Many players levelling Tier 3 Scholar at lvl 20-25. Any idea how can they travel to Rivendel? Of course, one can always solve this problem, but -

One can travel to Rivendell without too much difficulty at level 20 (or earlier), particularly if one has a horse. Just stay on the path and avoid any creatures lingering about. I made it one time with a horse at level 12, and anther time on a warden at level 15 without a horse. (The warden has an out-of-combat speed buff.) Once you arrive at Rivendell be sure to visit the stable master so that you can return via rent-a-pony. You can also bind at the Milestone in Rivendell to ease your return.

It can be hard, but it can be done to hoof it there by yourself, but it's best if you "know" the way, if you get lost you'll be in trouble =/ I'd suggest asking a kindly hunter to port you (or a captain to summon), then binding there (if you've a free milestone).

I have to say, while I agree it's tough on the low level scholars, Rivendell housing the Scholar Guild just fits too well for it to be moved.

Also, if you happen to have an elf scholar, eventually you'll get your return to Rivendell racial port which really helps.

I also, perhaps i was crazy, purchased the Return to Rivendell skill as a dwarf.

The issue was that I had friends (no hunters) that had made the long travel there and were beginning to feel out the area, and I could barely survive past that bridge. I kept getting tempted by ore nodes and then getting WASTED!

Not only that, I didn't know where I was going. "Follow the road" sounds like a good plan, but in reality, that road goes over a river and through the woods. Grandmother's house is not easy to reach if you have never been there and don't know what to expect, and are stupid and courageous like myself.

With the return to rivendell skill, I ended up in town, went to the stable, got drunk on fine elf wines, and found some nicer higher ups that showed me around the area so I could find my way around.

Then all my friends went somewhere else since I was so far behind. But isn't that the way it always turns out to be??

Yes, it can be done, but my words is not about it. All guilds located in low-level regions, but not the Scholar Guild. I don't see any reason for it.

Originally Posted by Aariah

Yes, it can be done, but my words is not about it. All guilds located in low-level regions, but not the Scholar Guild.

Wood worker, Jeweler and Tailor are not in a low level region.

The only ones in low level regions are Weapon smith, Metal smith and Cook. Which is less than half of the guilds.

Scholar is the easiest to get to get to of the four for non elves. You go into the store buy the Recall to Rivendell skill. Problem solved. Unfortunately, there is no Recall to Esteldin skill.

Another alternative is to get a friendly hunter to take you to Rivendell once. The level restrict for summons or guide is level 1. Once there, milestone. There are additional milestone skill available in the store for situations like this where you want to get back and forth from Rivendell quickly with your level 6 scholar.

Originally Posted by Yula_the_Mighty

Wood worker, Jeweler and Tailor are not in a low level region.

Yes, but the Esteldin is reachable even for a lvl 10 character without a horse. The roads are safe.

Rivendell, on the other hand, is only reachable by hunter port below lvl 20.

I made it one time with a horse at level 12, and anther time on a warden at level 15 without a horse.

Must have been long ago, no way you can do that today. At 12, the whole Trollshaws are a red zone, and the High Moors are still a red zone at lvl 18 (perhaps even 19), which means vastly enlarged aggro radius of all mobs. You get eaten alive as soon as you cross the Bruinen without an army to protect you. And when you get killed, you're sent back to a starter zone, even if you're near the gates of Imladris already.

Originally Posted by Yula_the_Mighty

Wood worker, Jeweler and Tailor are not in a low level region.

The only ones in low level regions are Weapon smith, Metal smith and Cook. Which is less than half of the guilds.

Scholar is the easiest to get to get to of the four for non elves. You go into the store buy the Recall to Rivendell skill. Problem solved. Unfortunately, there is no Recall to Esteldin skill.

Another alternative is to get a friendly hunter to take you to Rivendell once. The level restrict for summons or guide is level 1. Once there, milestone. There are additional milestone skill available in the store for situations like this where you want to get back and forth from Rivendell quickly with your level 6 scholar.

The road to Esteldin is more safely than road to Rivendell. It is not a problem for lvl20+ character to reach Esteldin.

And, as I wrote before, there are many ways to get to Rivendell, really. But why the scholars are forced to find the solution whereas others are not?

Originally Posted by Qhouri

Rivendell, on the other hand, is only reachable by hunter port below lvl 20.

You are leaving out:

1) Captain summons - level 1
2) Buy a map to Rivendell in the store for 50 Turbine points - level 10
3) Buy a map to Rivendell from another player - level 10

Once you get to Rivendell once, it is not a problem getting back.

I agree walking in a red zone probably not very safe. You got a horse, I bet a little one could make it all the way. There are no ranged mobs. All you have to do is circle around the mobs. A little luck in the High Moors with the stealth cats.

The only time I see it as a problem is for folks that have no friends are not in a kin. It is not hard to get someone to take a little crafter to Rivendell. All the kins, I am friends would take little crafters around to do the level 10, 20, 30, 40 quests that were taken out.

Originally Posted by Aariah

Many players levelling Tier 3 Scholar at lvl 20-25. Any idea how can they travel to Rivendel? Of course, one can always solve this problem, but -

It’s only the first time getting to Rivendell that is the problem, since as others mentioned, successive times can be done via stable mounts.

Elves have a “Return to Rivendell” skill which allows them to earn access after level 30.
Hunters can port, and are frequently willing to do so in exchange for pies.
Kinmates might be willing to escort you.
One-time maps to Rivendell drop from mobs and can sometimes be found in your AH.

It’s also useful to keep in mind that a superior study is found in the Mathom house in Michel Delving, for lowbies who have earned a little Mathom rep. The scrolls themselves stack, so you can make them on cooldown and store in your vault or pack until you have enough to advance your guild rep to the next level. Only then is another trip to Rivendell even necessary.

I don't tell about maps, friendly hunters and captains, milestone skills and so on.
I tell about the fact that all guilds except the Scholar Guild are located in easy accessible areas. For me, it is not right.

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Need to clarify some details: I have lvl65 Hunter, RK, LM, Minstrel, Champion and I also have Tier6 Scholar, Jeweller, Weaponsmith, Metalsmith and Cook.

Originally Posted by Yula_the_Mighty

I agree walking in a red zone probably not very safe. You got a horse, I bet a little one could make it all the way. There are no ranged mobs. All you have to do is circle around the mobs. A little luck in the High Moors with the stealth cats.

Yeah, Captain summons I forgot. Storebought maps are not an option for me, honestly. And I assume there are far more scholars wanting to get to Rivendell than looted maps for sale for a price the usual <20 char can afford.

And you bet wrong, try it out. Try to get a lvl 12 or 14 char past the last bridge or a lvl 16 char through the High Moor alone. When I tried it, I was swarmed by every single caveclaw and boar from the bridge to Barachen's camp. No way to "circle around" them, especially not in the High Moors. Their aggro range is huge. They can't see you, but they know you are there - a tasty, easy snack. I tried to make the way through the Moor at lvl 18 with a lvl 56 escort and didn't make it. Was onehitted by a badger and found myself back in Michel Delving.

Of course it's possible below lvl 20. And it has to be done only once. But then your milestone is blocked, if you're not an elf and not willing to buy a second milestone, while you still have to quest in lower lvl areas for many levels. And you're dependent on the help of others. In opposite to every other guild.

Since the quest barriers to crafting advancing were skipped, there should be a way to get to Rivendell for characters of every level which is at least as easy as to get to Esteldin.

Originally Posted by Qhouri

Since the quest barriers to crafting advancing were skipped, there should be a way to get to Rivendell for characters of every level which is at least as easy as to get to Esteldin.

Whenever I need to get an under-leveled character to Rivendell, I go to the crafting hall in Esteldin and ask in regional chat if a hunter would be willing to port me to Rivendell. I have never received less than three or four offers within a minute. There are many nice people who play this game. And this is a good opportunity to get to meet them.

Originally Posted by bigsix66

Whenever I need to get an under-leveled character to Rivendell, I go to the crafting hall in Esteldin and ask in regional chat if a hunter would be willing to port me to Rivendell. I have never received less than three or four offers within a minute. There are many nice people who play this game. And this is a good opportunity to get to meet them.

Truly. People do understand and can relate to the difficulty of getting to Rivendell for the first time. It’s a hurdle we all have to cross, and most of us can still remember our first time. Even on my RK, I have given lowbies a port to Rivendell (courtesy of the summoning horns I picked up in Forochel).

I would never recommend a low level character set their MILESTONE to Rivendell. But you can still talk to the stable master there, for easy access back when you need it.

/unsigned.

If anything the other guilds should move to higher level places.

Buy some travel rations and be prepared to tip a hunter. You can get the Foresaken Inn stablemaster on your own as a lowbie, that's no big deal. But until you're 20 or 30, you can't do any direct-swift-to-Rivendell stables except Ost Guruth - best you can do is to have someone port you to Ost Guruth first to tag the stablemaster there, and then to Rivendell - that route you can follow.

Acquaintance with the Mathom Society helps too, so you won't have to travel to Rivendell daily.

And yes, High Moors is still red at 19.

Riding to Rivendell isn't really THAT bad if you know where you are going, and with Fog of War gone, um, you do. It used to be quite a bit harder before mob aggro radius got decreased to run the gauntlet of zig-zag paths up from the Fords. Anyway, not signed, I like to have the guilds at different important locations, and scholar makes sense in Rivendell...

Originally Posted by DelgonTheWise

Riding to Rivendell isn't really THAT bad if you know where you are going, and with Fog of War gone, um, you do. It used to be quite a bit harder before mob aggro radius got decreased to run the gauntlet of zig-zag paths up from the Fords. Anyway, not signed, I like to have the guilds at different important locations, and scholar makes sense in Rivendell...

This ^^

I have posted my opinion before, essentially the same as above.

It's not that big of a deal - once you get there milestone. I've done the run twice, it does help a lot if you remember the path. If not, waiting for a friendly hunter is not a bad option actually. Certainly not worth moving the guild over.

The guilds are all located in the area where you first come across 'Superior Facilities'.

Superior Workbench is in Esteldin. Esteldin is home to the craft guilds that require a Workbench (Tailor/Jeweler/Woodworker)

Superior Forge is in Thorin's Hall. Thorin's Hall is home to the craft guilds that require a Forge (Weaponmsith/Metalsmith)

Superior Oven is in Michel Delving. Michel Delving is home to the craft guild that requires a Oven (Cook).

Superior Study is in Rivendell. Rivendell is hom the the craft guild that requires a Study (Scholar).

It is this way for a reason, I do not think there is a change coming nor should there be.

It makes absolutely no sense to put the guild in a zone that you cannot complete all the recipes. There is no Superior Study in Bree or Ered Luin.

...and it's not hard to get to Rivendell. It is such an easy venture, even a ~Chicken can make it. You can also get a Captain to summon you or a hunter to port you (yes, even if you are low level you can get summoned to Rivendell). If this is still too hard for you, there is always a Map to Rivendell in the lotro store for 50tp.

Originally Posted by deeman25845601

...and it's not hard to get to Rivendell. It is such an easy venture, even a ~Chicken can make it. You can also get a Captain to summon you or a hunter to port you (yes, even if you are low level you can get summoned to Rivendell). If this is still too hard for you, there is always a Map to Rivendell in the lotro store for 50tp.

For characters who have done a little leveling you can also be helped to Rivendell by other character classes through the use of the mustering horn which was added to the High Moor. It's most of the way to Rivendell. The stealth kitties are a bit of a threat, but nothing compared to trying to navigate all the way from the Ford.

I believe a Writ of Special Passage would probably be an option from stables like the one in Esteldin as well, and you should get one of those for free from the A Little Extra Never Hurts gift boxes.

Getting to level 20 is pretty trivial and quick (and free) in this game, so I don't think something having a surmountable obstacle or two for a character who is level 10 or in the teens is particularly burdensome. Just running around the Shire a little for that Mathom rep should get a good chunk of the way, and in my opinion any Scholar really should have the Mathom House as an option whether they have a way to Rivendell or not, unless they are not going to ever level at all in which case you can just leave them in Rivendell and not worry about stables and milestones.

A Writ of Special Passage only works with known routes, so if you have never been to Rivendell, it will not help you get directly to Rivendell.

However, one location known from the beginning (for some odd reason) at major cities (such as Michel Delving and Bree-town) is the Ettenmoors. A low level player who has just used his free Writ of Special Passage cannot survive there for more than a few seconds, which turns out to be just long enough to reach the Stable Master in the Ettenmoors and almost get on a horse to Rivendell. And once you've almost gotten on a horse to Rivendell, Rivendell appears as a Known Location and you can get to Rivendell from any location which allows travel to Rivendell, such as Ost Guruth. This is how I managed to get my first Scholar to Rivendell, because I was a new player and didn't know about the hunter port yet.

I had a Burglar Explorer who made it to Rivendell at level 14, with a lot of sneaking and even more running (and a little bit of dying). I took the "Explorer" name a little too seriously, you see.

Originally Posted by deeman25845601

The guilds are all located in the area where you first come across 'Superior Facilities'.

Or did they place the 'Superior Facilities' there because the guild is based there?
I doubt they planted the sup. fac. first, and then decided where the guilds should be.

Originally Posted by deeman25845601

It makes absolutely no sense to put the guild in a zone that you cannot complete all the recipes. There is no Superior Study in Bree or Ered Luin.

If you would move the guild, the sup. fac. would have to move with it obviously for it to work.


But even then, no signed.
I think it's good they discourage crafting alts.
If you are below 20, why do you need the guild?
How did you get mats? ( I know, buy them in AH) Cause you sure can't gather them yourself.

if anything they should offer a port to Rivendell with a certain reputation.
Now fastest way there is Eglain rep for Ost Gurath port, and then Swift to Rivendell.
But the stables are on the other side ( sooooo anoying)

Maybe a port to guild with certain rep status ( friend/ally? maybe even kindredd with new tier coming) with that guild would be sweet.

Originally Posted by Jarnos

Or did they place the 'Superior Facilities' there because the guild is based there?
I doubt they planted the sup. fac. first, and then decided where the guilds should be.

deeman25845601 is correct, the guilds were placed where the Superior Facilities were at the time (more have been added since then in Moria and beyond).

The crafting guilds were only added with the MoM expansion in 2009, a year and a half after the game launched.

As noted earlier in the thread, once you join the guild you only need a little bit of Shire rep. to use the Superior study inside the Mathom House. If you're building guild rep then just make up the guild tokens (they stack) and turn them in once a week or whatever works for you.

Originally Posted by Aariah

Many players levelling Tier 3 Scholar at lvl 20-25. Any idea how can they travel to Rivendel? Of course, one can always solve this problem, but -

Chickens make it at level 1 and without escorts, by the time you're at a level when you need to get to Rivendell to get to the Guild you should have no trouble at all. Yes, it's a bit of a pain in comparison with some of the others but it's perfectly reasonable to expect the 'seat of learning' for Scholars would be in Rivendell.

Originally Posted by Unique

deeman25845601 is correct, the guilds were placed where the Superior Facilities were at the time (more have been added since then in Moria and beyond).

The crafting guilds were only added with the MoM expansion in 2009, a year and a half after the game launched.

As noted earlier in the thread, once you join the guild you only need a little bit of Shire rep. to use the Superior study inside the Mathom House. If you're building guild rep then just make up the guild tokens (they stack) and turn them in once a week or whatever works for you.

I stand corrected. Thanks for clearing.

Originally Posted by Qhouri

And you bet wrong, try it out. Try to get a lvl 12 or 14 char past the last bridge or a lvl 16 char through the High Moor alone.

Actually I did send my lvl 16 loremaster to Rivendell successfully on her own not too long ago. Getting to the Ford of Bruinnen was easy since the area was not yet red, and the trip through the High Moor basically required going at top speed and (admittedly) knowing where to go (my main character had been through the area before). Put on some of that low-level crafted jewellery that increases run speed and you are able to pretty much run away from anything you encounter, provided you don't stop along the way .

Don't forget that after your initial visit to Rivendel, the Mathom House has a superior study. Basically, I got to Rivendell, did the visit to the stables and really didn't bother returning until I had about 50K points to turn in to the guild leader and I was in my mid 20s.