I have a level 62 Warden and was wondering what the best virtues are for the class and non raid gear (at least for right now). right now im working on getting the moria gear and jewelry all I need i one more piece and then I will have all of the non watcher gear. current traits are Innocence, loyalty, valor, justice, empathy. Any help is appreciated!
First off, I don't know how comfortable in giving tips to lord_sauron. I mean, what if they are used against me when I solo barad-dur in a few years?
Ok. Here's my take. Drop justice. Drop empathy. Add some compassion for tact and ranged defense. Add discipling for more melee def and might. As for gear. It's hard to knkow where you're at. do you have a chatacter page you could link? My suggestion is to do the epic - you'll get halbarad's helm, which is good. I use shoulders and boots from helegrod as well.
You can pick up the vol 3 shoulders but will have to wait til 65 to go much past that.
There are several Glowing Aureate pieces of jewelry that would probably be upgrades and work well in 65 builds. Nice work on getting the anvil, there is a might necklace in HoC as well that is nice. I have never had good luck in drops in HoC so I use a mirkwood crafted necklace right now. I've got my eye on a couple OD necklaces too.
Start saving your skirmish marks for when you hit 65. Between hele gear, brawling stuff and getting your LIs in order its nice to have a good amount in the wallet before you even hit 65.
Traits, I run innocence, empathy, zeal, valor, discipline, fidelity, tolerance, loyalty for most content. I'm still working on some of the other ones for situational use. Zeal is a real pain to get to 10.
Cloak of Shadow and Flame is good cloak that is decently easy to get solo now too. Try and get a crit class carving too, gives you a little more defense.
Last edited by Mysterion; Jun 24 2011 at 11:08 AM.
Ok. Here's my take. Drop justice. Drop empathy. Add some compassion for tact and ranged defense.
This is good advice. I understand why you have justice and loyalty, as people will judge you by your morale , but empathy is a bit outdated now. I will slot it once in a while for specific reasons.
What are you going for? Tank, pvp, dps? The hele set is a good set overall, but it doesn't give you much morale. As a comparison, the OD set will give you 1,028 more morale than the hele set. That's 118% more morale from the set alone. Of course the hele set gives 32 more stats overall and is more balanced (gives more to every stat except agi and vit). And of course the best thing about the hele set is that it's much more attainable than the OD set.
For general purposes, you'll probably want to mix and match as geo pointed out. For more specific help, you'll probably want to tell us what your goal for the build is.
Virtues: Discipline is nice, all that Might and Melee Defence. Innocence, too. Loyalty you may not need some day in the future when your vitality it capped, but it can stay for now. Don't worry about Empathy.
Gear: The Moria set is nice and the DN set is nicer. The Hele set might have some pieces that interest you too. There's a barter cloak from the Algraig which is lovely. Jewellery-wise, you can't go wrong with the level 60 Aureate stuff - the Rings, the ICPR Bracelets, the earrings of combat. Also checkout the Mirkwood Barter melee crit earring, and the Mirkwood Crafted Warrior's Greenwood necklace. Instance-wise at 65, Padlock bracelets and Bracelets of Brawling from Hall of Night are nice. Rings of Brawling, too. Earrings; popular ones include the Sarenzer and Ernil, but you'll see as many Aureates.
Don't stress over an Anvil, the Sailor's Charm is just as good and can be soloed and gained with skirmish marks and FI medals.
Best shield is the easy, cheap Mirkwood crafted. Or the Loth crafted, if you prefer.
After a 6+ month detour thru Aion and Rift, I am back with Lotro. Having forgotten all my gambits and alot about gameplay, I am in a similar boat as the OP.
As the others have said/implied, the character set up is dependent on our current activity. I am working toward a PVMP build, so morale is important to me.
I look to the Leaderboards tab in this site ( http://my.lotro.com/home/leaderboard/pvmp ) to see how other wardens have set up.
Finally, a question to the experts...
My character profile is out of date showing 7085 morale; it is actually at 8177(unbuffed). How/when do character profiles update?
Thanks.
You can pick up the vol 3 shoulders but will have to wait til 65 to go much past that.
There are several Glowing Aureate pieces of jewelry that would probably be upgrades and work well in 65 builds. Nice work on getting the anvil, there is a might necklace in HoC as well that is nice. I have never had good luck in drops in HoC so I use a mirkwood crafted necklace right now. I've got my eye on a couple OD necklaces too.
Start saving your skirmish marks for when you hit 65. Between hele gear, brawling stuff and getting your LIs in order its nice to have a good amount in the wallet before you even hit 65.
Traits, I run innocence, empathy, zeal, valor, discipline, fidelity, tolerance, loyalty for most content. I'm still working on some of the other ones for situational use. Zeal is a real pain to get to 10.
Cloak of Shadow and Flame is good cloak that is decently easy to get solo now too. Try and get a crit class carving too, gives you a little more defense.
yea i got lucky with the anvil i got it on my first try of HoC on this toon :O. also i do have the cloak of shadow and flame along with cloak of the stronghold and Pedevig-clog which i use for different things and yea zeal does look liek a pain to get
That is Lord_Saurons toon, you can see many peoples toons by clicking on their name and hitting view profile. Someone should put in the stickies that asking help with gear questions should involve a link to your toon. Helps a ton to make recommendations.
Gear: The Moria set is nice and the DN set is nicer.
I agree with Lilka the DN set is very nice for Wardens it gives you ample power. I generally run with about 3.5k.
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A few people have said this. Can you link to a post where someone's done a recent analysis showing Empathy isn't useful? I'm hoping for an actual analysis, not just someone sharing their opinion with no math or reasoning behind it.
The best virtue discussion I know of is Tanis' (scroll down to about halfway, to see the updated info):
Innocence and Empathy were the best defensive virtues he found, and he still felt this to be true as of this January. If someone has some better info, please share!
A few people have said this. Can you link to a post where someone's done a recent analysis showing Empathy isn't useful? I'm hoping for an actual analysis, not just someone sharing their opinion with no math or reasoning behind it.
The best virtue discussion I know of is Tanis' (scroll down to about halfway, to see the updated info):
Innocence and Empathy were the best defensive virtues he found, and he still felt this to be true as of this January. If someone has some better info, please share!
It's because of the assumption in that test that all melee damage would be common, which if you look at your combat log for boss fights is not often the case. This has been brought up many times in the past. This is one of the reasons people choose to mix and match armor even though the hele set has the second highest armor rating in the game for wardens (behind OD).
Even at 50,000 damage, Empathy would reduce 300 points of non common (at 0.6% mitigation). This number is subject to how high your ratings are to begin with, so it's different for each person. If you have anything that raises any non-common damage type rating, it would further reduce the effectiveness of Empathy.
Then there's the whole ongoing debate on how effective higher morale pools are because of large crits and superior healing available in today's boss fights. If you look at just the numbers, the Glowing Aureate rings with their parry are hard to beat for long boss fights. Yet people choose to wear other things instead (for very justifiable reasons).
I'm a strong proponent of Empathy in general, but I can't recommend it to everyone, especially if they plan on pvmping. Empathy will net you around 70 points of mitigation at most in the moors at 8,000 morale. You're better off slotting other mitigation or morale traits.
In the end, I don't even consider Zeal to be a "must slot" as some wardens will cap their melee defense without it. These virtues really depend on what relics/gear you have and what you are doing. Hence I asked "What are you going for? Tank, pvp, dps?"
On another note, in pugs, people often judge a tank by his morale. They will be quick to blame the tank for ###### healing. When I was on my hunter in SS T2, the group went through 2 wardens and finally 1 guardian before beginning to suspect that the healer wasn't up to par.
Sorry if im putting in a question of my own here. I am trying to get the highest possible morale without losing too much of my other stats (power, ICPR, will, etc) and also avoid raiding. Here's my page:
(note: the page is not updated, and im currently wearing sidhgor x2, loth hooded cloak of the stalker, and i believe another malledhrim rep earing, so my morale is 6.2k and power is 2.9k.)
My virtues are charity, empathy, innocence, zeal, and valour.
Other toons (Elendilmir): Lorespark Man LM, Sparkness Dwarf RK, Bowspark Man Hunter, and Leadspark Man Captain.
Sorry if im putting in a question of my own here. I am trying to get the highest possible morale without losing too much of my other stats (power, ICPR, will, etc) and also avoid raiding. Here's my page:
(note: the page is not updated, and im currently wearing sidhgor x2, loth hooded cloak of the stalker, and i believe another malledhrim rep earing, so my morale is 6.2k and power is 2.9k.)
My virtues are charity, empathy, innocence, zeal, and valour.
***Disclaimer: The information I have on the crafted stuff is from MoM/ early SoM. I know there's been crafting updates, so many of the crafted pieces may not be as good anymore.***
The problem is most gear is either power or morale, not both. Honestly, you don't need that much power as long as you stack some icpr relics. If you have emeralds of the verdant glen, then you're in very good shape. Otherwise, the other icpr relics might cost you in other stats.
OK. First, power. It's really difficult to have a lot of power without the Armour of the Lady's Favor set. Since you mentioned that you don't want to raid, that won't be an option. The Annum set gives the most power out of any set, but you'll lose even more morale than the hele set. I don't recommend it. Here are some armor pieces with a lot of power:
Recommended:
Moria leggings - 170 power. I highly recommend these. Although it gives less power than the Epic Quest legs, it gives nice stats as well. 105 morale isn't too bad either. You'll lose 10 morale and icmr, but you'll gain 21 might and fate at the cost of 33 agi. These legs will give allow you to switch out of some power gear for morale.
Other options:
Mirkwood crafted chest, boots, shoulders - 176 power. I personally don't like the Mirkwood set. It gives good morale and power but you'll be sorely lacking in stats. Take them if you really want to swap stats for power.
Again, I recommend you lose power for ICPR and build on morale. But it's your toon, so the decision is up to you. I'll just give you some options.
Other Pieces:
Recommended Helm:
Halbarad's Helm: Has 400 morale and 63 power. Good stats as well. It's a decent helm for the moors.
Moria helm: Has 400 morale, but no power. Good stats. Has incoming heal too.
Hele helm: 230 morale/ 69 power. Great stats. Nice inc. heal bonus. Great for tanking.
DG helm: 330 morale/ no power. Stats almost as nice as Hele. At one point, I had this rated higher than any other helm. I don't like it so much anymore.
Other options:
Mirkwood crafted: 412 morale/ no power. Again, stats are sorely lacking. Comes with small inc. heal
Recommended Chest:
Loth crafted Chest: 200 morale/ 60 pwr. In terms of stats, it's the best chest in the game. Good overall piece. You will lose power from your current chest, but you will get 20 will and fate.
Other options:
Mirk crafted: 215 morale/ 176 power. Same story (good on the outside, not so great on the inside, although it's one of the better pieces from the set)
Moria: 205/82
Recommended gloves:
Loth crafted: 276?/? high morale, decent stats, good for pvp
Epic gloves: 105/63. decent all around gloves because it gives back power.
Hele gloves: 115/0. Great stats. They're good gloves but the lost some value with the new epic gloves. The loth gloves give more morale and the Epic gloves helps with power issues, putting these gloves in an awkward position.
Other options:
Mirk crafted: 302/0.
Recommended boots:
Hele boots: 230/97. Great boots. Period.
Loth crafted boots: 200/60. Has better stats, but I prefer hele (remember 2 hele pieces net you 23 extra vit)
Other options:
Moria: 200/79
Mirk crafted: 215/176
Recommended shoulders:
Hele: I'm recommending this because you want two hele pieces for the bonus. If you have another hele piece besides the boots, (helm or gloves) you may not need it. They are very nice, though, imo.
Other options:
Mirk crafted: 105/176
As for jewelry,
NCF - earrings
Bracelets - Glowing Aureate for ICPR, Brawlers for morale
Rings - Brawlers for morale, Ranger's (mirk crafted) for power
Pocket - up to you, but Sailor's Charm is nice
The real difference maker is in the relics. You can cap melee defense, boost inc heal, add crit defense, add morale, and stack ICPR all at once. Look carefully at the options you have.
It's too hard to tell you what piece to switch out for what because you're wearing rather unconventional stuff (like mini bracelets and what not. People usually don't worry about tactical class gear until they cap mi/agi/vit, which you haven't done). I decided to you give you some options so that you can figure it out for yourself (sorry I'm not going to sit around with your build and min/max ). When your build is more complete, it'll be easier for us to tell you what to switch as some pieces are clearly better than others (and not just different). This is gear for non-raiders. Hope this helps.
wow. great job harc ! working on it right now, 1 question though: you didnt specify a necklace, does that mean i'm wearing a good one right now, if not I thought that the warriors greenwood necklace is nice. thanks a ton!
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